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ensoul - 07 Jul 2005 02:54 GMT
no one is posting in grief group

it's been a month now, I see her out of the corner of eye, hear her
jump on the bed
I have trouble talking abt her without crying

my husband, Rick loved her too, but was with her the last 5 yrs of her
life, I don't discount his pain, family and friends have been nice,
even got sympathy cards but now I'm staring to hear "you start getting
over this by now"

Rick has cancer after his stem cell transplant any illness could be
deadly to him, beore he showed any symptoms of being ill, Sam wouldn't
leave his side, they'd do blood work and sure enough

they only one's that have been in my life longer are daughter's

She's buried on my Mom's back hill where she liked to explore, a stone
over her, her name on it and a heart

we're talking maybe in the fall another cat, I don't think I'll be
ready then

when do you know when you're ready?

ensoul

Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.
    ~Oscar Wilde
Mary - 07 Jul 2005 02:58 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
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> when do you know when you're ready?

Go to a shelter and see the kitties. Maybe that will help.
I'm sorry you're hurting so much. When Gnarly (age 20)
died I hurt for so long. Two months after her death I
went to the shelter and found Cheeky. I knew I was
ready because I felt her reaching my heart. Nobody
can replace Samcat--but they are all wonderful in
their own ways. Somebody out there needs your help!
Somebody nothing like Samcat but with soft fur and a
sweet voice and bright eyes.
Candace - 07 Jul 2005 03:12 GMT
> we're talking maybe in the fall another cat, I don't think I'll be
> ready then
>
> when do you know when you're ready?

I'm very sorry about your cat and your grief.  Everyone is different.
I think if you are questioning whether you are ready that you probably
are not.

I've always had more than one cat since I've been an adult.  That way
I'll never be at zero.  Actually, we've had 3 or 4 for years now so we
always still have 2 when one has died.

I'll never forget any of my late kitties but I don't cry too often.  My
last one died 15 months ago and he was the one I was closest to...but
he lived to be nearly 18 so I tried to find solace in that and in the
fact that I don't think he suffered very much; I tried to avert that.

You might feel better by fall.  Sometimes having another one (or 2)
makes it easier.  They're not a replacement for the one you lost but
they are so cute in their own ways that it's hard to resist them.

Candace
Meghan Noecker - 07 Jul 2005 10:27 GMT
>I've always had more than one cat since I've been an adult.  That way
>I'll never be at zero.  Actually, we've had 3 or 4 for years now so we
>always still have 2 when one has died.

Me too. I have only had one dog at a time, but I have always had at
least 2 cats since I got Maynard when I was 14 years old. And I have
always been at 3 when one died. So, I have been able to grieve with my
remaining cats.

With Kira, we did kind of figure it would be a good idea to get
another kitty as Fiona was getting up there, and I wanted to get
another Siamese, yet not have a cat that seemed too much like Fiona.
That part failed - the attitude is so much the same, that I would
believe in reincarnation if they hadn't overlapped by 8 months.

>You might feel better by fall.  Sometimes having another one (or 2)
>makes it easier.  They're not a replacement for the one you lost but
>they are so cute in their own ways that it's hard to resist them.

Yes, they are all very special in their individual ways.

When I got Jay Jay, I referred to him as my new boy. But after Maynard
died, I stopped as I don't consider  him to be a replacement or "new"
as in new vs old.

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KellyH - 07 Jul 2005 03:31 GMT
> when do you know when you're ready?

I'm sorry for your loss and all that you've been through :(

I can't really say when you know you're ready, you just do.  I volunteer at
an animal shelter, and I see people come in at all different times after
losing a pet.  Some come in the next day, they just can't stand an empty
house.  For some people it's been months, but they leave the shelter crying
because they aren't ready.  When you feel up to it, start visiting shelters
and see how you react.  That's probably the best gauge.

Take care.

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Charlie Wilkes - 07 Jul 2005 03:47 GMT
>no one is posting in grief group
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>when do you know when you're ready?

I had a beloved cat who had to be put down.  For years I had dreams
about that cat being alive again, and it was always a bummer to wake
up from those dreams.  He died in 1994, and I still miss him
sometimes.  

I would say force yourself to go to the shelter tomorrow.  A new cat
won't remove your grief, but it won't make it any worse, and face it,
the sooner cat vacancies get filled, the better for all the cats in
the system.

You have a lot on your plate..  I wish you well.

Charlie
Mary - 07 Jul 2005 04:20 GMT
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote :

> I had a beloved cat who had to be put down.  For years I had dreams
> about that cat being alive again, and it was always a bummer to wake
> up from those dreams.  He died in 1994, and I still miss him
> sometimes.

I still dream about Gnarly. That she is alive, in different situations,
usually I am visiting someone's house and she is there, and I suddenly
remember that I gave her to them to keep while I made a long trip.
Then I am so relieved, and think to myself, you idiot, she isn't dead!
Then I wake up and she is.

> I would say force yourself to go to the shelter tomorrow.  A new cat
> won't remove your grief, but it won't make it any worse, and face it,
> the sooner cat vacancies get filled, the better for all the cats in
> the system.
>
> You have a lot on your plate..  I wish you well.

The thing is, "objects of delight" like kitties, are fine distractions!!
From lots of things!!

One thing is for sure: some kitty somewhere needs ensoul's tender heart
to make its life wonderful. Maybe even safe it's life. When she is ready.
Meghan Noecker - 07 Jul 2005 10:34 GMT
>I had a beloved cat who had to be put down.  For years I had dreams
>about that cat being alive again, and it was always a bummer to wake
>up from those dreams.  He died in 1994, and I still miss him
>sometimes.  

I hate it when I wake up and feel I have lost them all over again. But
some of the dreams were worth it. I had a great one of my dog. I got
to go back in time and play with her when she was young and in her
prime. It was a great way to see her.

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Rhonda - 07 Jul 2005 05:11 GMT
This may sound weird, but I think your new cat will let you know. There
is probably a little cat out there that needs you, but maybe is not
quite ready.

When they are ready, you will find him or her.

Rhonda

> we're talking maybe in the fall another cat, I don't think I'll be
> ready then
>
> when do you know when you're ready?
>
> ensoul

clfr@adelphia.net - 07 Jul 2005 05:29 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
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> when do you know when you're ready?

It may take a while.  I used to 'see' my first cat out of the corner of
my eye, or think I heard her make her greeting noise for a couple of
months after she died.  Which really surprised me, 'cause I'm a pretty
matter-of-fact person. You never know...

I was lucky in that I had 2 cats at the time, so when my first cat
died, I was not cat-less.  Otoh, I knew I wanted to have a second cat
again, but it took me over a year before I was actually ready to adopt
a second one. Several years later, I adopted a 3rd cat - a neighborhood
stray.

So... when you're ready, you'll know.  I don't think you can guess
ahead of time with any real degree of accuracy when that time'll be, &
it seems to be different for everybody. And even different after the
deaths of different cats.

Cathy

> ensoul
>
> Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.
>      ~Oscar Wilde
Karen - 07 Jul 2005 06:04 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
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> ensoul

Well, sometimes you don't get to choose. Some cat just comes into your life.
But the grief....you just live with it an it slowly gets to be less and less
periods of it. I still grieve for Grant, and now that Pearl has been
diagnosed with heart trouble (could be months or years. Gee, great) there
are some days I feel like giving up. I miss my cuddle bunny Grant. I love
the girls but he was the one that came and cuddled anytime I laid down. He
was my boy, my perfect gentleman. And yet, I don't think I'll ever be ready
for another until I don't get a choice. I do hope you consider it in a few
months because there are so many who need homes. But I hope the right one
comes to you.
Meghan Noecker - 07 Jul 2005 10:21 GMT
>it's been a month now, I see her out of the corner of eye, hear her
>jump on the bed
>I have trouble talking abt her without crying

It took me a coupe years to be able to talk about Fiona without
crying. I still do on rare occasions, but I can usally talk about her
and laugh now (It's been over 10 years).

I really think it varies - not just with the person, but with the pet,
and the experience with each. I grieved very badly for Fiona, and not
as much for Seusy, who died 11 months later. I actualluy grieved more
for Fiona on her one year anniversary than I did for Seusy only a
month after her death. It was strange because I really loved Seusy
too, and I felt very guilty. I think it was just a deeper relationship
with Fiona, and I honestly don't remember life before her since I got
her so young.

Jasper was a a sweet kitty who I only had for a few weeks, but his
death was so horrible that I really grieved badly, mostly at the
unfairness and horrible death. It will be 5 years this month, and I
still cry sometimes, especially if I think about that horrible night.
But I can also talk about him with fond memories and good lessons that
he taught me.

Maynard died only 6 weeks ago. Oddly, his death seems to have been the
easiest for me. But I think there are a few reasons for that.

I'm older and have gone through this a few times.
I learned from Jasper's death that I should never doubt my decision.

And probably the main reason:
I had 4 days to prepare for his death. The others were all acting fine
less than 24 hours before. So, I was suddenly faced with a loss that I
didn't expect anytime soon. In Maynard's case, I knew it was serious,
and that the treatment would only be postponing his death. I had hoped
to gain a few months of quality life, but I knew I was facing the end.
And I did a lot of crying before he died. I think I actually did most
of my grieving *with* him.

I did a lot of crying the day of, but after that, it has been
sporadic. And seems to depend on the memories I am thinking about. I
can go days of no crying, and then suddenly burst into tears over a
random thought. I can look at photos and smile. And I still find
myself saying two phrases "Good stuff, Maynard" and "Maynard did it."

>we're talking maybe in the fall another cat, I don't think I'll be
>ready then
>
>when do you know when you're ready?

I think it just happens when you are ready.

I got Kira about 8 months before Fiona died. I wasn't planning on it.
It just happened. Jasper was a surprise cat and died only a few weeks
later, so it was a very fast high and low. I did sort of get a kitten
a couple months later, but he was for my nephew.

I got Jay Jay last February with no intent to get another cat. And
Maynard died in May.

My dog was another story. I lost Seusy in April of one year and I
didn't want another dog right away. Then the calendars starting
hitting the stores, and I found myself looking at lots of sheltie
photos. I ended up waiting a full year before I did get another
sheltie, but she was well worth waiting for.

About two weeks before Maynard died, a lady came into my work place
with a kitty angel pin. I asked about it, as I had seen one once and
wanted to get one. Her cat was almost 19 and had just died. The vet
gave it to her. A few days later, she came in again and gave me a pin.
She had gone back to the vet and gotten another one.

I didn't see her again until yesterday. I told her about Maynard, and
she told me about her new kitty. She didn't want another kitty right
away, but this cat just showed up in her yard a week after her cat
died,  and he wanted in. So, she has another cat now.

I wouldn't rush it, but when the time is right, you'll either get the
itch to go find one, or one will find you.

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Lesley - 07 Jul 2005 10:51 GMT
And probably the main reason:
I had 4 days to prepare for his death. The others were all acting fine
less than 24 hours before. So, I was suddenly faced with a loss that I
didn't expect anytime soon.

Meghan

You've hit the nail on the head. With Fugazi it was so sudden (Tuesday
morning she was playing with Isis. Tuesday nigth she went downhill on
front of our eyes and was put to sleep the next morning- our one
consolation is the vet said she wasn't suffering even offering that I
could have taken her home for one last day but I know if I had I would
have never found the courage to take her back knowing what was going to
happen) and even now I am sniffing as I write this

Isis went into a gentle slow decline over three weeks and died
peacefully at home and oddly there were a lot less tears even through
she was the loveliest biggest lap fungus ever!

As for when to get a new cat- we lasted 2 days before Dave sick of an
empty house asked me if the lady at work had managed to find homes for
the kittens through we had to wait 4 weeks for them to be ready to
leave their mum

Lesley

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Meghan Noecker - 07 Jul 2005 11:17 GMT
>And probably the main reason:
>I had 4 days to prepare for his death. The others were all acting fine
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>You've hit the nail on the head. With Fugazi it was so sudden (Tuesday
>morning she was playing with Isis.

Yes, Fiona had her off days, but she always got past them. Then one
morning, about 4am or so, I woke up and knew I needed to find her. I
can't explain it. I found her on the stairway, and I just knew. I took
her back to bed with me and held her the rest of the morning. I
couldn't sleep. She continued to get worse, and I knew it was the day.
I took her to the vet, and they figure she had a stroke.

Seusy gave a tad more notice. I was studying for a final exam, and she
started walking oddly. In circles. I realized she was probably have a
stroke. At the time, I knew of nothing to do for her. It was in the
wee hours of the morning. My parents were out of town til the next
day. And I didn't drive. I was waiting for my parents when they got
home, and they took us to the vet. She definitely had a stroke.

Jasper was a stray who had been hit by a car. He was actually
improving and seemed to be doing quite well, then he started vomiting
and having bad diarrhea. He went back to the vet 3 times that week,
and seemed to be improving again. But I got home from work at
midnight, took one look at him, and knew he wouldn't last the night.
We still didn't have a 24 hour vet, so we hoped he would make it to
morning. We planned to be outside the vet at 7am (they open at 8am),
so we could intercept the first person in. But he died at 3:06am.

I just wasn't expecting any of them to be so sudden. It's not any
easier when you have more time, at least it didn't seem like it. I
think I did just as much hard crying and grieving as I did with the
others. I just did more of the crying before than after.

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Mary - 07 Jul 2005 15:16 GMT
> And probably the main reason:
> I had 4 days to prepare for his death. The others were all acting fine
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> have never found the courage to take her back knowing what was going to
> happen) and even now I am sniffing as I write this

This is the part of Meghan's message that I was going to respond to,
because it is so true. It is the same with people. Very shocking and
crippling, even, when it is very sudden. There are six months of my
life I don't even remember as a result of the sudden loss of someone
very close to me.
clfr@adelphia.net - 07 Jul 2005 17:01 GMT
> And probably the main reason:
> I had 4 days to prepare for his death. The others were all acting fine
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> peacefully at home and oddly there were a lot less tears even through
> she was the loveliest biggest lap fungus ever!

The longer you have to prepare, the eaiser it gets isn't necessarily
so. Might be, might not.  I had over 2 months in which to prepare for
my first cat's death, but it didn't help. She was the one I keep
"seeing" & "hearing" for a couple of months after her death, despite
having previously thought that sort of thing would never happen - too
"Twilight Zone"-like of an idea for me. (I'd *thought*!) I had 5
*years* to prepare for Debbie's death. She'd benn acutely & seriously
ill, then chronically -getting better & better with occasional slumps,
then became chronically ill with another disease, then finally acutely
so.  Her death was a little easier to take, but not by a whole lot...

Lots of different variables contribute to how much one grieves for each
pet.

Cathy

> As for when to get a new cat- we lasted 2 days before Dave sick of an
> empty house asked me if the lady at work had managed to find homes for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Candace - 07 Jul 2005 19:27 GMT
> Lots of different variables contribute to how much one grieves for each
>  pet.

That's true.  I dreaded my cat Cory's death for years before he died
because he was/is my "special" cat (you know, they're all special but
he and I had a particular bond) and, yet, it wasn't as bad as I thought
it would be and I think it's because I feel him around me and sense his
presence more than I have the others (your Twilight Zone feeling).  I
like to think--and lots of people say it's so--that when you dream of
them, they are really contacting you and letting you know they're okay.

It's the ones I haven't "felt" that make me feel the saddest.  Like,
where are they and why don't they contact me?!?!?!

Candace
MaryL - 07 Jul 2005 20:02 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
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> Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.
>     ~Oscar Wilde

I went through similar feelings of pain and grief after my first cat died at
the age of 20.  I found myself thinking of him day after day, and I would
constantly talk about him.  I also was trying to "wait awhile" before
getting another cat.  After two or three months (not sure of the time now
because that was so many years ago), I finally decided that I really needed
to get another cat.  By coincidence, Amber needed a home just at the time
that I had made that decision.  She was truly a little angel, and it is hard
to describe how she much she helped me work through the grieving process.
She was not a "replacement," just as Holly was not a replacement for her --  
in fact, that would be impossible.  However, she added another dimension to
my life, and I soon found that I was now able to look back on Raucher's life
and enjoy the memories instead of immersing myself in sadness.  I still
think of him frequently, and I keep a picture of him above my computer
(which you can see in one of the photos on my photo albums); but these are
now happy thoughts.

To sum up:  maybe you should consider getting another cat now instead of
waiting until fall.  You would be saving another life, and you would add
immeasurably to your own.

MaryL

Photo albums --
Duffy:  http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
Phil P. - 08 Jul 2005 05:06 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
>
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>
> when do you know when you're ready?

You'll know when your ready when you feel its right with no hesitation.
Because you're asking, I don't think you're really ready right now.  I think
you may need a little more time to morn her and come to terms with her
passing.  You never really get through the grief- it just gets a little
easier to live with as time passes.

Hope this helps:

http://indigo.org/rainbow/

Phil
Phil P. - 08 Jul 2005 06:28 GMT
> no one is posting in grief group
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> when do you know when you're ready?

You'll know when your ready when you feel its right with no hesitation.
Because you're asking, I don't think you're really ready right now.  I think
you may need a little more time to morn her and come to terms with her
passing.  You never really get through the grief- it just gets a little
easier to live with as time passes.

Hope this helps:

http://indigo.org/rainbow/

Phil
 
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