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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Dan Mahoney has Conan's Fate in his Hands
It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the Orange County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is the one who boarded Conan at the kennel near his house. It is entirely up to Dan what happens to this cat, so we might as well leave Monica out of it. > It is entirely up to Dan what happens to this cat, so we might as well leave > Monica out of it. If Monica never had a say so, she sure milked the notion that she had control. She sho never corrected anyones thinking; she coulda said, "it's outta my hands". >It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the Orange >County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is the one who >boarded Conan at the kennel near his house. > >It is entirely up to Dan what happens to this cat, so we might as well leave >Monica out of it. Monica is in control because she paid for it. Dan is just the hired ape who does the legwork. He's got no money, remember? That's how come he takes charity from people on the Internet. Charlie > Monica is in control because she paid for it. Dan is just the hired > ape who does the legwork. He's got no money, remember? That's how > come he takes charity from people on the Internet. > > Charlie yeah, any old monkey could do his job,lol. >> Monica is in control because she paid for it. Dan is just the hired >> ape who does the legwork. He's got no money, remember? That's how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >yeah, any old monkey could do his job,lol. An old bastard with a background as a truck driver with lots of time on his hands. Hmmmmmm........... >> It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the >> Orange County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie Think of it not as taking charity, but as taking a non refundable deposit. This qualifies the potential buyers. >>> It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the >>> Orange County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Think of it not as taking charity, but as taking a non refundable deposit. >This qualifies the potential buyers. I'm referring to the veterinary bills for his other cat. I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about you? My experience has been that people who are careless about accepting money from strangers are careless about personal responsibility in general. Charlie >>>> It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the >>>> Orange County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Charlie I GRACIOUSLY accept all contributions to my private foundation and to Hip Pocket Bank. Lending money is another matter. Never lend money you cannot afford to lose. I agree with your closing premise. In particular, lawyers are always out to screw a lender and accountants are always upside-down. Never borrow money except where the interest is deductable on your taxes, ie, a house. >>>>> It is not up to Monica. Dan is the one who adopted him as far as the >>>>> Orange County Shelter is concerned, so he is Conan's owner. Dan is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >I GRACIOUSLY accept all contributions to my private foundation and to Hip >Pocket Bank. I don't. I'll be damned if I would take a handout from strangers on the Internet because of a sob story about a cat. I have too much self-respect for that. I would borrow money from a relative or a friend and pay it back in installments before I would do that. >Lending money is another matter. Never lend money you cannot >afford to lose. I agree with your closing premise. In particular, lawyers >are always out to screw a lender and accountants are always upside-down. ??? What do you mean by accountants being upside-down? If you borrow for a plunge on California real estate these days you can be upside-down in a hurry -- but that is the accounts, not the accountants. I hope you don't have that problem. Charlie >Never borrow money except where the interest is deductable on your taxes, >ie, a house. snip >> Lending money is another matter. Never lend money you cannot >> afford to lose. I agree with your closing premise. In particular, >> lawyers are always out to screw a lender and accountants are always >> upside-down. > > ??? What do you mean by accountants being upside-down? I have never met an accountant that did not live paycheck to paycheck or worse (owing money all over town). Same to be said about investmet "counselors." If they were so astute and successful at managing money, they would not be working in a broker office. > If you borrow > for a plunge on California real estate these days you can be > upside-down in a hurry -- but that is the accounts, not the > accountants. I hope you don't have that problem. > > Charlie We're quite secure. What *has* begun around here are those balloon payments coming due on interest only loans. Some timed and placed their purchases right, but as many have/did not. We have two young couples copurchasing a house on our street ... using an interest only loan with mortgage payments of about $2,500 a month. OUCH >snip >>> Lending money is another matter. Never lend money you cannot [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >"counselors." If they were so astute and successful at managing money, they >would not be working in a broker office. You and I know different types of accountants, I guess. >> If you borrow >> for a plunge on California real estate these days you can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >house on our street ... using an interest only loan with mortgage payments >of about $2,500 a month. OUCH That's exactly what I mean. It's a frothy market, with a lot of marginal buyers who want to get into a deal before prices move even higher. I watched what happened when the market for coops and condos tanked in NYC in the late 80s/early 90s. A lot of people walked away from a sale owing the bank money. If they had hung on, of course, they'd have done fine. Charlie > I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about > you? My experience has been that people who are careless about > accepting money from strangers are careless about personal > responsibility in general. > > Charlie You still goin round and round with Philip. I figured him out. He'll agree with you one something, and then raise a "New Objection", there's got to be a word for this. It gives one the impression they have changed his mind, so now, onto the "New" objection.. Sukerrrrrr >> I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about >> you? My experience has been that people who are careless about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It gives one the impression they have changed his mind, so now, onto > the "New" objection.. I give you one clue. It's a yiddish word. >>> I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about >>> you? My experience has been that people who are careless about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >I give you one clue. It's a yiddish word. To describe you Arthur -- maybe a conglomerate would be better -- farbisine, kvetsh, meshugine, shmendrek, nudnik, shlemil, shmendrik. > I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about > you? My experience has been that people who are careless about > accepting money from strangers are careless about personal > responsibility in general. For the record, as I was following the Harri thread because it initially sounded like she had what one of my cats has, Dan never asked people for money. It's just a thing they do on rpca, *a lot*, I've noticed. They even have a standing PayPal account set up to donate money to any of the regulars on the group who need help, and not just veterinary help but any sort of help...plane tickets to visit family, etc. I assume Dan has probably donated to other people in the past. But, actually, in his case with his sick cat recently, no one kept a list of who donated specifically. From what I read, when people called the vet's office to donate, they weren't even asked their names, just their credit card number so he doesn't even know who donated and they all know he doesn't know. At least that prevents the "being beholden" thing. He does have a job and all, he just had some bad luck lately re: work and personal problems. People *wanted* to donate. I don't know what his involvement with Monica was re: Conan and I admit it's odd that he didn't initially respond to Mary's emails after the rescue but, if I were him, I don't think I would respond now. It's too lame to try to defend yourself, especially if you think you were right, and it just sounds like weak, BS excuses, so it's best to take the "high ground" and let people deduce what they may. Some will always think he was involved; others will never think he was involved. I doubt we will ever know what really happened that day no matter how long we talk about it and try to figure it out. It's an entertaining little mystery and I do feel bad that Conan is not yet placed but as for Dan's "double agent" duty, we will probably never know what occurred. Candace > > I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about > > you? My experience has been that people who are careless about [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Candace I know that Dan was involved, Candace. I cannot imagine anyone having any doubt. But you are entitled to your opinion, too. Still, you know that the response of an innocent person would have been an instant reply to the effect of "No, no, no! This is what happened." That is what common sense dictates. He is guilty. He is a liar, and he is responsible for that cat still being in a cage. Once one knows that someone is capable of this kind of deceit it changes everything. (He is the man reflected in Conan's left eye--his build and the shape of his big Irish head are unmistakeable.) >>> I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about >>> you? My experience has been that people who are careless about [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I know that Dan was involved, Candace. I cannot imagine anyone > having any doubt. You have wild imaginings about EVERYTHING else ... why not here? > But you are entitled to your opinion, too. Still, > you know that the response of an innocent person would have > been an instant reply to the effect of "No, no, no! This is what > happened." That is what common sense dictates. A *smart* person who is innocent and knowing the audience would not offer any rebuttals in circumstances like these. Didn't Bill Clinton teach you anything? Hahhahhaa > He is guilty. > He is a liar, and he is responsible for that cat still being in a > cage. All assumptions. You have no knowledge. > Once one knows that someone is capable of this kind > of deceit it changes everything. (He is the man reflected in Conan's > left eye--his build and the shape of his big Irish head are > unmistakeable.) You cannot see squat in the reflection in Conan's eyes. > You cannot see squat in the reflection in Conan's eyes. Squat Lobster Corn Chowder Serves: 6 Preparation Time:20 Minutes Cooking Time:20 Minutes 30 ounces lobster stock 2 ears of corn 1 medium yucca - small dice 1 small onion - small dice 12 ounces Squat Lobster Chunks 2 ounces butter cilantro leaves salt and pepper - to taste 4 ounces heavy cream 1 can cream corn 1. Remove kernels from ear of corn. Sauté onion and kernels in butter, add ear of cleaned corn, can of cream corn, yucca and lobster stock. Simmer for 20- 30 minutes and remove ears and puree roughly 2. Add frozen Lobster Chunks. 3. When the lobster is cooked add cream and season. 4. Serve with cilantro leaves as garnish on top of soup and corn bread sticks. >> You cannot see squat in the reflection in Conan's eyes. > >Squat Lobster Corn Chowder <SNIP> LOL! > I know that Dan was involved, Candace. I cannot imagine anyone > having any doubt. But you are entitled to your opinion, too. Still, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > left eye--his build and the shape of his big Irish head are > unmistakeable.) I admitted it's odd he didn't respond to your emails. That alone would make me think he did do the rescue. And Monica didn't deny Dan's involvement in her post yesterday; she didn't really mention him at all. I would think if she had no clue who he is she would have said that. I'm just saying there are people who will never be convinced...either way. I really don't think he "double-agented" to be malicious. He just got convinced, somehow, that it was preferable to give Conan to Monica's team rather than your team. I suppose it was because he didn't want Charlie to get him and/or he and Monica really fell for your smokescreen that Monday night when you said you were withdrawing the $$ and couldn't save Conan (although I'm sure you told him it was a smokescreen but Monica would not have known and must have convinced him otherwise). I don't know. I can't think he's a creepy person. You've read his posts for awhile, too, I know. He sounded like a great guy. I know you thought that, too. I think he just switched his loyalties and I have all along felt that it was "wrong" of him to not respond to your emails and tell you that he changed his mind (or tell you he didn't know what you meant, that Conan really was gone when he got there). But I also think that sometimes people just don't know how to respond so they put it off and then it becomes too late. I don't think he's necessarily evil; I think things just got out of hand. I'm sure he never thought he would be discovered and that it would set off all this conjecture and detective work here. I'm sure it's more than he originally bargained for. I *do* think he picked up Conan (but I am not 100% positive). I *do* think he should have told you the truth if he did. I *don't* think he's an awful person, though, I think he got in over his head and the plans backfired somewhat. And, I *do* feel bad about Conan. Both Meghan's sis and the guy in SD sounded fine to me. I do think Conan will get a home at some point (soon, I hope) and that he probably is doing alright where he is, not having the time of his life, but not miserable and I'm sure he won't die. But I'm just saying, if I were in Dan's shoes, now at this point, I wouldn't bother trying to defend myself no matter which version is the truth because it would sound disingenuous. He probably has decided to not respond and let the chips fall where they may. Candace > > I know that Dan was involved, Candace. I cannot imagine anyone > > having any doubt. But you are entitled to your opinion, too. Still, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > truth because it would sound disingenuous. He probably has decided to > not respond and let the chips fall where they may. I understand you, and I agree. I don't think Dan is a bad person. I do think that he has done a bad thing. As for his response or lack of one, he has no defense, so he has no choice. As soon as I have proof that this cat is out of a cage and living in a good home I will drop the whole thing. It is all I care about and all I have ever cared about. >>> I know that Dan was involved, Candace. I cannot imagine anyone >>> having any doubt. But you are entitled to your opinion, too. Still, [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > in a good home I will drop the whole thing. It is all I care about > and all I have ever cared about. What a HUGE fabrication. > What a HUGE fabrication. It's really hysterical at this point - not in a ha-ha way, though. If there ever was a case of OCD documented through Usenet, this is it. -L. > > What a HUGE fabrication. > > It's really hysterical at this point - not in a ha-ha way, though. If > there ever was a case of OCD documented through Usenet, this is it. You bet. And you should know, Mama Hoss. :) Meanwhile, try not to hate me because: 1. My husband does not drive a pickup 2. I can see 3. I don't spend my day wiping a.ses and greasy little mouths, doing laundry and playing wifey to the breadwinner 4. And last but not least: whatever happens in Usenet is okay by me. All of it, any of it, I just love a free-for-all. Carry on, Lynnie. I don't generally rubberneck at accidents but you are one train wreck I am enjoying. > 1. My husband does not drive a pickup Oh! That's SUCH a put down! A 2003 Tundra! Too bad YOU couldn't afford one. He also drives a 97 Saturn SC2. And sometimes my 2003 RAV4. But that's not as damaging, eh? > 2. I can see So can I. But you apparently can't see what an a.s you are. > 3. I don't spend my day wiping a.ses No, you just suck them. >and greasy little mouths, Hummm....maybe you eat grease but here we don't... > doing laundry and playing wifey to the breadwinner DH does his own laundry. Not that you really care. And there is nothing more noble than taking care of a family, Tapey. Maybe if your Mother had taken better care of you, you wouldn't be so f.cked up. She wasted away from cancer - and full of hate - just like you. Right? You undoubtedly enjoyed her suffering. > 4. And last but not least: whatever happens in Usenet is okay > by me. All of it, any of it, I just love a free-for-all. Obviously. But you can't handle the fact that you have absolutely *no* say in what happens with Conan. And that drives you absolutley *crazy*. Obsess on, Tapey. I'm gonna go wipe a sweet, little round butt that undoubtedly smells better than your breath. -L. **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is advised** <snip yet another pathetic exchange> oh for f.cks sakes ladies!!!!! You gals hate each other - WE GET IT!!! Now, please either find out where each other live, go pay a visit, and fight to the death - or f.ck OFF and take this bullshit to email!!! f.ck!!!!!!! > **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is > advised** [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > f.ck!!!!!!! Feel better? Why not post about your puddy tats? Or is that man still holding the gun to your head and forcing you to read our posts? *[trademark, EQ] >> **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is >> advised** [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Feel better? eh, not much, but it was worth a shot. >Why not post about your puddy tats? maybe >Or is that man still holding the gun to your head and forcing >you to read our posts? *[trademark, EQ] yes, and he is getting angry. please help. > **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is > advised** [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > f.ck!!!!!!! Duck f.ck Recipe (Cocktail) Ingredients 4 parts Gin (Tanqueray) 1 part Vodka (Stoli) Fill with Beer Mixing Instruction Find a large shot glass (1 1/2 - 2 oz. is appropriate). Fill 80% of the way with Tanqueray gin. Fill another 15% with Stoli or Absolut vodka. Fill to the rim with cheap "Ice" beer (best results with Busch Ice). >> **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is >> advised** [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >the way with Tanqueray gin. Fill another 15% with Stoli or Absolut vodka. >Fill to the rim with cheap "Ice" beer (best results with Busch Ice). I don't think this is appropriate for the younger cat crowd, now is it? shame on you, you should know better! > >> **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is > >> advised** [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > shame on you, you should know better! But even worse, 80% Tangueray?? Holy crap. Mixed with beer?! > > >> **warning this post contains strong language, user discretion is > > >> advised** [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > But even worse, 80% Tangueray?? Holy crap. Mixed with beer?! lol I guess that's why you're one f*ucked up duck after drinking it >you can't handle the fact that you have absolutely *no* >say in what happens with Conan. And that drives you absolutley >*crazy*. The way you and your friends turned this group story into a grudge match bothers a lot of people, not just Mary. Most of them aren't posting much, but they are reading what others post. Nobody will read the comment above and think you are in on this Conan caper because you care about the cat. Charlie > The way you and your friends turned this group story into a grudge > match bothers a lot of people, not just Mary. Oh Pe-f.cking-lease. "We" (whoever the hell that is) aren't the ones looking at reflections in Conan's eyeballs to see if we can recognize who might be taking the photo. I'll bet that Sour Grapes Pie tastes really bitter, doesn't it? 'Nuff said. -L. > > The way you and your friends turned this group story into a grudge > > match bothers a lot of people, not just Mary. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. Sour Grapes Punch (Sorry, didn't have a pie recipe, hope you like punch :)) Ingredients 2 oz. Chambord Raspberry Liqueur 2 oz. Vodka 2 oz. Sour Mix Mixing Instruction Add all ingredients to a mixing glass filled with ice. Shake and strain into 4 glasses. >> What a HUGE fabrication. > > It's really hysterical at this point - not in a ha-ha way, though. If > there ever was a case of OCD documented through Usenet, this is it. > > -L. With Mary, yes it's Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with an ODD/Tourettes overlap. (Oppositional Defiance Disorder) > > What a HUGE fabrication. > > It's really hysterical at this point - not in a ha-ha way, though. If > there ever was a case of OCD documented through Usenet, this is it. I find it kind of fascinating, really. Didn't you ever read Nancy Drew when you were little? I love a good mystery and am always on the lookout for one. I think the photo comparisons and some of the other detective work were pretty amusing/interesting...even clever, like Barry's progressions and Charlie's illustration. It's a diversion, like usenet's a diversion. A diversion within a diversion. TV is all reruns now, so might as well get into a good real life mystery. Candace >> > What a HUGE fabrication. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Candace There was an ornate swimming pool in LA that was used for a lot of soft pinup shots in the 1940s/50s, and people in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.vintage got interested in the site. The pool was on a hilltop with a view in several directions, visible in the background of the photos. These guys analyzed the buildings and roads in the photos and eventually located the site of the pool. It's signature feature -- a big tile mosaic of a spider -- is still there. A couple of other sites appear to be related to the Spiderpool site, because they feature the same models wearing the same jewelry and shoes, etc., suggesting a single photo session in multiple locations. I haven't kept pace for a long time, but I contributed some analysis of these subsidiary sites. Here is one of my workups: www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/well_patio.htm Pointless but fun. Charlie > A couple of other sites appear to be related to the Spiderpool site, > because they feature the same models wearing the same jewelry and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pointless but fun. Uh-oh, soft porn alert. (jk) Amusing, I guess we're not the only weirdos on usenet that are obsessing about minute details. Candace ...snipped... >And, I *do* feel bad about Conan. Both > Meghan's sis and the guy in SD sounded fine to me. I do think Conan > will get a home at some point (soon, I hope) and that he probably is > doing alright where he is, not having the time of his life, but not > miserable and I'm sure he won't die. Hi Candace, Your post was forwarded to me and since you seem to genuinely care, I felt I needed to respond. I am just floored by what is being posted surrounding the Conan issue and it really has become about personal "issues" rather than about Conan, the cat who is alive and well. Many here know my posting history as well as my passion for animals and it saddens me, to put it mildly, that *anyone* would think that I could be party to a rescue mission which involved a cat "suffering in a cage" until he finds his permanent home. I truly do not know anymore how to reassure you and others that Conan is indeed happy, playful, and very well cared for. He is not just "doing alright" as you put it. That, would not be good enough for me even for a temporary placement, and frankly, you and others who have read my posts over the years should know that and should have no doubts. So much has become muddled because of other issues which have nothing whatsoever to do with rescuing Conan from possible death. Others involved have chosen to stay in the background. It is their prerogative. Issues anyone has with anyone prior to my involvement (and it was indeed Mary's: "we can't save this cat" post which prompted me to act) have nothing to do with me or with Conan. It's personal and I so wish people could separate the two. I convinced no one to do anything, I simply stated what I could and would do and what role I could play. And then proceeded to do just that. Period. As to the screening of homes. A home may be wonderful for one cat but not for another. Everyone who does rescue has different criteria and standards. Mine are uncompromising. I make no apologies for that. I am pretty good at assessing things. I trust my judgment and my instincts. There are others here far more involved in rescue and placement than I am who are just as uncompromising. As far as I am concerned that is as it should be. I am hoping that this post won't propel another feeding frenzy. I wish people would trust that we are indeed doing right by Conan, that he is well and happy, and that we will find the right match for him. I don't think I can clarify things from my end any more than I have. I truly hope that all of the lies, rancour, and venom will stop and that the focus can shift to others needing help. M. ...snipped... > Candace ... > ...snipped... > > > Candace There's only one issue, is Conan in a cage. Can you answer that one question > ... >> ...snipped... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Can you answer that one question I have a question for you: What can *you* do about Conan's accomodations regardless? The answer is a resounding ... nothing. You've got the drama disease. Concern yourself with things you can do something about. > I have a question for you: What can *you* do about Conan's accomodations > regardless? The answer is a resounding ... nothing. You've got the drama > disease. Concern yourself with things you can do something about. Don't assume why I asked the question. I asked her, because I'm trying to decide just what kind of person she is. >> I have a question for you: What can *you* do about Conan's >> accomodations regardless? The answer is a resounding ... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I asked her, because I'm trying to decide just what kind of > person she is. THAT was obvious quite some time ago. >> ... >>> ...snipped... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >regardless? The answer is a resounding ... nothing. You've got the drama >disease. Concern yourself with things you can do something about. Wow, Barry, looks like he just slapped you across the face with that one..... eq > ...snipped... > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > M. Once again, Monica says nothing very eloquently. Conan is still in a cage at Four Paws boarding kennel, and Dan is still a liar. >Once again, Monica says nothing very eloquently. Conan is still in a cage >at Four Paws boarding kennel, and Dan is still a liar. It's hard work being vague :)  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >Once again, Monica says nothing very eloquently. Conan is still in a cage > >at Four Paws boarding kennel, and Dan is still a liar. > > It's hard work being vague :) Heh heh heh! And look what it gets you. Reviled. > I truly do not know anymore how to reassure you and others that Conan > is indeed happy, playful, and very well cared for. He is not just "doing > alright" as you put it. That, would not be good enough for me even for a > temporary placement, and frankly, you and others who have read my >posts over the years should know that and should have no doubts. I feel certain that Conan will get a good home and that you will see to that, Monica. Yes, you have always been very conscientious, concerned, and kind. > I convinced no one to do anything, I simply stated what I could and > would do and what role I could play. And then proceeded to do just that. > Period. When I said "convinced," I didn't mean "coerced" or anything negative, I just meant that apparently what you said/offered made more sense or seemed like a better alternative to the person involved...what they perceived as a better deal for Conan, as it were. > I am hoping that this post won't propel another feeding frenzy. I wish > people would trust that we are indeed doing right by Conan, that he is well > and happy, and that we will find the right match for him. I don't think I > can clarify things from my end any more than I have. I truly hope that all > of the lies, rancour, and venom will stop and that the focus can shift to > others needing help. There are people who are hurt or offended because they felt they were a)rejected, b)lied to, or c)betrayed. It's human nature, I guess. I truly think that, despite those personal feelings, *everyone* is anxious to hear that Conan has a wonderful new home and will appreciate you conveying that news when it occurs. Everyone was very happy initially when you said Conan was safe and out of the shelter and no one doubted your compassion toward him or your desire and ability to find him a good home. It was only when they felt that a switcheroo had occurred that there was bitterness and conjecture. Candace > I feel certain that Conan will get a good home and that you will see to > that, Monica. Yes, you have always been very conscientious, concerned, > and kind. Thank you Candace for trusting that we are doing the right thing for Conan. ..snipped... > There are people who are hurt or offended because they felt they were > a)rejected, b)lied to, or c)betrayed. It's human nature, I guess. Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a separate issue and have nothing to do with me. > I > truly think that, despite those personal feelings, *everyone* is > anxious to hear that Conan has a wonderful new home and will appreciate > you conveying that news when it occurs. Of course we will let the group know. > Everyone was very happy > initially when you said Conan was safe and out of the shelter and no > one doubted your compassion toward him or your desire and ability to > find him a good home. It was only when they felt that a switcheroo had > occurred that there was bitterness and conjecture. As I have stated before, I would also have much preferred to stay in the background. However, people would have then speculated and wondered whether Conan had indeed been euthanized. That would not have been fair. Unfortunately, to those intent on being angry and vicious, it continues to be obvious that it does not really seem to matter what I post. I absolutely fail to understand this obsession with the deluded notion that Conan is suffering. And Mary, "forwarding" me a supposed one-sentence e-mail from "Linda in Pa." in response to your posted question in June: "Tell us Why You Would Provide the Best Home for Conan" without an e-mail address as well as a post from tracyrose which you titled "The Truth of the Matter" is useless and a waste of my time as it does nothing to help Conan. If this was a forum in "real life", I would have left the room long ago and gone about continuing to do what I set out to do. It's time. Thank you Candace, M. > Candace > Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a > separate issue and have nothing to do with me. lol rich! Geez officer I know I fired the gun but after the bullet left the nozzle, who it hit had nothing to do with me. soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, is Conan still in a cage? Inquiring minds want to know... > > Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a > > separate issue and have nothing to do with me. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, is Conan still in a cage? Inquiring minds > want to know... Of course he is. >> Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a >> separate issue and have nothing to do with me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Geez officer I know I fired the gun but after the bullet left the nozzle, >who it hit had nothing to do with me. She's the world's worst spinmeister and she'd do better not to post at all. The comment above is an attempt to distance herself from Dan's duplicity on the email list. In effect, she is saying she made an arrangement with the guy without being aware that he was dealing with another group. She can see that she has been railroaded into taking the fall. Dan is over there in rpca, regaling his groupies with sentimental tales of cats whose lives he has salvaged, pretending none of this is happening. Charlie >soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, is Conan still in a cage? Inquiring minds >want to know... > >> Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a > >> separate issue and have nothing to do with me. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > cats whose lives he has salvaged, pretending none of this is > happening. Glorious, ain't it? :) In news:29vqc1luadqcfbc55kulsjt4bdjvf0iu80@4ax.com, <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com>Charlie Wilkes stated unanimously: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:23:29 -0400, "Trish" > <trish_d@sympatico.ca> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Geez officer I know I fired the gun but after the bullet left >> the nozzle, who it hit had nothing to do with me. snip > Dan is > over there in rpca, regaling his groupies with sentimental > tales of cats whose lives he has salvaged, pretending none > of this is happening. > > Charlie None of this is happening. It's all a horrible nightmare. "cmtowle" <cmtowle@shaw.ca> wrote : > And Mary, "forwarding" me a supposed one-sentence e-mail from "Linda in Pa." > in response to your posted question in June: "Tell us Why You Would Provide > the Best Home for Conan" without an e-mail address as well as a post from > tracyrose which you titled "The Truth of the Matter" is useless and a waste > of my time as it does nothing to help Conan. Monica: I cc'd you when I answered Linda's mail, telling her that you are "handling" Conan's adoption. He email is right there. Please learn to master your email program. > If this was a forum in "real life", I would have left the room long ago and > gone about continuing to do what I set out to do. It's time. > > Thank you Candace, > > M. Did you see an answer to whether Conan was still in a cage, Candace? Do you know what that tells us that the answer is? > "cmtowle" <cmtowle@shaw.ca> wrote : > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > are "handling" Conan's adoption. He email is right there. Please learn > to master your email program. And, not surprisingly, the insults continue.... There is no valid e-mail address showing, just her name in the text: "Linda Middle Initial Last Name". When I hit "reply to all", only your name comes up. Mary - enough! > And, not surprisingly, the insults continue.... There is no valid e-mail > address showing, just her name in the text: "Linda Middle Initial Last > Name". When I hit "reply to all", only your name comes up. Mary - enough! Far as I can tell, there is no more Conan and Monica You fumbled the ball looong time ago...That play is over! JUST SAY... I don't know! Cause that's the truth. > > "cmtowle" <cmtowle@shaw.ca> wrote : > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > address showing, just her name in the text: "Linda Middle Initial Last > Name". When I hit "reply to all", only your name comes up. Mary - enough! Monica. When you hit reply to all, you only get me because Linda did not email you. I did. You are posting via Outlook express, right? Right click on the email then choose properties, and you will see that I responded to Linda, whose email is there, and cc'd you. You really are not the brightest bulb in the pack are you? But Monica, you are the spokesperson for your TEAM, not just for yourself. The silence of certain parties after the rescue are not a separate issue. If Dan had nothing to do with it, which I would still like to believe, then that is an issue that does not involve you. If that's the case, why not just tell us it was not Dan to help him out? If Dan changed his mind but didn't tell us and then chose to ignore our emails -- his silence now is damning your group. Conan's biggest draw was from the emotions on this newsgroup. It would be easier on everyone, and potentially help in the search for a home for Conan, if everyone was just honest. Rhonda > "Candace" <maccandace@aol.com> wrote in message >>There are people who are hurt or offended because they felt they were >>a)rejected, b)lied to, or c)betrayed. It's human nature, I guess. > Whatever personal interactions occured prior to Conan's rescue, they are a > separate issue and have nothing to do with me. "Candace" <maccandace@aol.com> wrote : > I don't know what his involvement with Monica was re: Conan and I admit > it's odd that he didn't initially respond to Mary's emails after the > rescue but, if I were him, I don't think I would respond now. It's too > lame to try to defend yourself, especially if you think you were right, > and it just sounds like weak, BS excuses, so it's best to take the > "high ground" and let people deduce what they may. One last thing, my friend: if Dan is taking the "high ground" I really never want to see what the low ground is like. >> I am very careful about who I accept money from, Philip. How about >> you? My experience has been that people who are careless about [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >thing. He does have a job and all, he just had some bad luck lately >re: work and personal problems. People *wanted* to donate. I understand. However, the truthfulness with which people describe their personal situation is what enables this charitable impulse. Dan created a credibility gap a mile wide for those who were inside the situation last week. >I don't know what his involvement with Monica was re: Conan and I admit >it's odd that he didn't initially respond to Mary's emails after the >rescue but, if I were him, I don't think I would respond now. It's too >lame to try to defend yourself, especially if you think you were right, >and it just sounds like weak, BS excuses, so it's best to take the >"high ground" and let people deduce what they may. Dan can take the fifth, but this isn't a court of law and the rules for judging someone are a lot different. They have to be, given the limits on how much we know. Moreover, there is nothing to stop people like me from bringing the matter up again and again. >Some will always >think he was involved; others will never think he was involved. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >for Dan's "double agent" duty, we will probably never know what >occurred. People have a tendency people have to destroy relationships by pandering too much to their own egos. There was a lot of manic babble in here about Conan, but it had the potential to be a fun story. Now it has turned ugly. A couple of people decided this group was too f.cked up to be allowed to continue sponsoring this cat, so they took control and clammed up except for Monica's self-serving screeds, both of which worsened her image instead of repairing it. I believe people who get along with Monica should contact her and urge her to rethink how she is handling this, for the sake of her own interests if she cares about these newsgroups. The cat should be placed with someone who has a contact within this group who is not too controversial. Then Monica won't have to wince every time she downloads a fresh batch of headers. Charlie snip > I believe people who get along with Monica should contact her and urge > her to rethink how she is handling this, for the sake of her own > interests if she cares about these newsgroups. The politics of popularity are not worth the effort. > The cat should be > placed with someone who has a contact within this group who is not too > controversial. Oh ... that be me! :*) > Then Monica won't have to wince every time she > downloads a fresh batch of headers. > > Charlie Hahhahhahaa. You know better, Charlie. >snip >> I believe people who get along with Monica should contact her and urge >> her to rethink how she is handling this, for the sake of her own >> interests if she cares about these newsgroups. > >The politics of popularity are not worth the effort. Why is does she keep posting this high-handed self-justification? Monica praises herself lavishly and describes her motives in lofty terms. People who talk about themselves that way are usually very concerned about their social image even when their ego has taken over to the point where they are destroying it. >> The cat should be >> placed with someone who has a contact within this group who is not too [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Hahhahhahaa. You know better, Charlie. Do you assume her goal is to alienate people? That is what she is doing. Charlie In news:kpgpc1dkudt7o8eo93p1r3ejnno2p3lnfi@4ax.com, <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com>Charlie Wilkes stated unanimously: >> In news:051pc1ho6alqpp8hso7hckv1t57o3if79n@4ax.com, >> <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com>Charlie Wilkes stated [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Why is does she keep posting this high-handed > self-justification? snip > Charlie What you call "high handed" is nothing more than a factual appraisal using a vocabulary superior to your own. > Dan can take the fifth, but this isn't a court of law and the rules > for judging someone are a lot different. They have to be, given the > limits on how much we know. Moreover, there is nothing to stop people > like me from bringing the matter up again and again. Charlie, you need to give it up. Really. There is no proof Dan did anything. For all you know one of my friends in the LA area picked up Conan and has him in his/her basement. You have no idea what happened and at the rate you and Mary keep this up, you probably will never know, because the people who *did* rescue him will just place him and get on with their lives. I sent out messages that I have a "2 year old neutered orange tabby" to place, too. Does that mean *I* have the cat? Of course not. > People have a tendency people have to destroy relationships by > pandering too much to their own egos. Do you really think people in these ngs care about the "relationships" they have here? Really? That's a joke, at best. > There was a lot of manic babble in here about Conan, but it had the > potential to be a fun story. Now it has turned ugly. A couple of > people decided this group was too f.cked up to be allowed to continue > sponsoring this cat, so they took control and clammed up except for > Monica's self-serving screeds, both of which worsened her image > instead of repairing it. Oh please. Mary posted that the rescue mission was over, so other people went and got the cat. It's really that simple - not neuroscience. They don't need the money and they certainly don't need the conspiracy theories, verbal abuse and 10 posts a day with "Dan" or "Monica" in the header. In fact, they don't need anything. People who do this all the time took Conan into their own hands and recued him - BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE DID. He's likely just one of a couple dozen cats that will be saved this year by these same people. Despite the constant gnashing of teeth, stomping of feet and flailing of arms, dems the facts. No number of temper tantrums or incessant posts will make things any different. > I believe people who get along with Monica should contact her and urge > her to rethink how she is handling this, for the sake of her own > interests if she cares about these newsgroups. Honestly, I suspect Monica doesn't give a rat's a.s - other than to find a good home for the cat. There's no reason to waste time on this melodrama. It's insignificant. The only reason I'm throwing in my cow patty is that I find it somewhat amusing, in a pathetic sort of way. It boggles me that people would get so worked up about one cat. One cat. Of thousands who are killed daily. It makes me shake my head in disgust, really. >The cat should be > placed with someone who has a contact within this group who is not too > controversial. The cat *should be* and *will be* placed in a home that is a good fit for *his needs*, where he will be well cared for and loved, for life. That's the *only* thing that matters. >Then Monica won't have to wince every time she > downloads a fresh batch of headers. Oh please. Why do you think anyone who rescued the cat owes you - or anyone else, for that matter - *anything* - WRT this cat? He was in the shelter for a number of days before anyone *did* anything. You could have put your a.s on a plane and flown down to get him. Mary could have done the same. As could I, or anyone else for that matter. But we didn't, so we have no right to say anything to anybody about who, what, where, or how the cat is. If you think otherwise you need to get a grip on reality. Seriously. -L. >> Dan can take the fifth, but this isn't a court of law and the rules >> for judging someone are a lot different. They have to be, given the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >anything. For all you know one of my friends in the LA area picked up >Conan and has him in his/her basement. Why are all the people who know the story being so coy about it? >You have no idea what happened >and at the rate you and Mary keep this up, you probably will never [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Do you really think people in these ngs care about the "relationships" >they have here? Really? That's a joke, at best. Then why is Monica finding it necessary to justify her role? >> There was a lot of manic babble in here about Conan, but it had the >> potential to be a fun story. Now it has turned ugly. A couple of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >do this all the time took Conan into their own hands and recued him - >BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE DID. So why all the secrecy about who picked up the cat and where it is? Charlie > >Charlie, you need to give it up. Really. There is no proof Dan did > >anything. For all you know one of my friends in the LA area picked up > >Conan and has him in his/her basement. > > Why are all the people who know the story being so coy about it? What do you think is so "coy"? Monica said the cat was rescued, is in foster care, end of story. I don't really understand what else you people want. Why the f.ck does anyone *have to* tell you anything? Monica didn't have to tell you Conan was rescued at all. In fact, she's probably sorry she did. > >Do you really think people in these ngs care about the "relationships" > >they have here? Really? That's a joke, at best. > > Then why is Monica finding it necessary to justify her role? I don't think she's "jusifying" anything. She's clearly boggled at all the speculation, criticism anmd conspiracy theories, and said as much. As am I. > >Oh please. Mary posted that the rescue mission was over, so other > >people went and got the cat. It's really that simple - not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So why all the secrecy about who picked up the cat and where it is? Why do you think you are entitled to anything? It's not anyone's business, Charlie. Besides, there's enough BS happening as it is - why should they give any more info to feed the raging fire? Monica posted at least two positive updates and still people aren't happy. Why bother? -L. >> >Charlie, you need to give it up. Really. There is no proof Dan did >> >anything. For all you know one of my friends in the LA area picked up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >foster care, end of story. I don't really understand what else you >people want. We want to know who picked up the cat and where he is now. >Why the f.ck does anyone *have to* tell you anything? >Monica didn't have to tell you Conan was rescued at all. In fact, she's >probably sorry she did. I agree she would have served her own interests better had she said nothing at all. >> >Do you really think people in these ngs care about the "relationships" >> >they have here? Really? That's a joke, at best. >> >> Then why is Monica finding it necessary to justify her role? > >I don't think she's "jusifying" anything. I don't either, but she's sure trying. >She's clearly boggled at all >the speculation, criticism anmd conspiracy theories, and said as much. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Why do you think you are entitled to anything? It's not anyone's >business, Charlie. Quite a few people in this group have been concerned about Conan for several weeks now. Given that background, your attitude seems juvenile and churlish. It strengthens the perception that you and Monica are playing this out as a cheap vendetta. >Besides, there's enough BS happening as it is - why should they give >any more info to feed the raging fire? Monica posted at least two >positive updates and still people aren't happy. Why bother? Monica has avoided providing the information people want. Therefore, the working presumption is that Conan is sitting in a kennel, impounded to spite certain people in this newsgroup who otherwise would have placed him by now. Turning these placement options aside with the with the lofty statement that "a merely 'good home' is not good enough for us" suggests that Monica doesn't care about the animal and is more interested in self-promotion. There is no evidence that Conan is any more demanding or hard to please than any other housecat. Does any of this make sense to you, or does it just come across as a childish temper tantrum? Charlie > >> >Charlie, you need to give it up. Really. There is no proof Dan did > >> >anything. For all you know one of my friends in the LA area picked up [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I don't either, but she's sure trying. lol!! That's all she can do. She's busted. And so is Dan. And there's a big, lovable boy cat who has already been through enough suffering because of what they have done. > >Why do you think you are entitled to anything? It's not anyone's > >business, Charlie. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Does any of this make sense to you, or does it just come across as a > childish temper tantrum? Then you go and blow it by asking Lynnie to think. "There is no reality, only perception." ~~Lyn of Oregon, Mommy Dearest of Little Jonathan, House Shrew of Will > We want to know who picked up the cat and where he is now. Why? What difference does it make, if he's well cared for? So what if he is in a cage? (Not that he is.) I hate to tell you, but a week or two in a cage isn't going to kill him. > I don't either, but she's sure trying. Your spin. <snip> > >Why do you think you are entitled to anything? It's not anyone's > >business, Charlie. > > Quite a few people in this group have been concerned about Conan for > several weeks now. They shouldn't be concerned any longer. if they were *that* concerned they should have hooped on a plane nand piced the cat up themselves. Sheesh! > Given that background, your attitude seems > juvenile and churlish. It strengthens the perception that you and > Monica are playing this out as a cheap vendetta. Oh please. I'm not the one wringing my hands, pacing the floor and posting every 5 minutes, speculating about Dan, Monica and the whole situation. > Monica has avoided providing the information people want. No, a few warped minds want more information than they have any right to. Dems de facts. >Therefore, > the working presumption is that Conan is sitting in a kennel, > impounded to spite certain people in this newsgroup who otherwise > would have placed him by now. You really think that id Conan is in a boarding facility, it is out of spite? Really? You are more f.cked in the head than I originally thought. Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. Maybe you should think about THAT as long and hard as you have been obsessing over Conan. >Turning these placement options aside > with the with the lofty statement that "a merely 'good home' is not > good enough for us" I think the quote was "good enough home" but whatever. >suggests that Monica doesn't care about the animal > and is more interested in self-promotion. Bullshit. You don't do animal rescue. You don't seem to understand that one can't hand the cat out to any dick that comes along. If you do, the animal gets returned or dumped at a shelter. > There is no evidence that > Conan is any more demanding or hard to please than any other housecat. Conan is a young, active cat. He's probably not suitable for a number of situations. He's a rescue so he needs someone experienced with cats. He's probably better off in a home without young children. He needs room to romp and play. He needs to be indoor-only and must never be declawed. he needs someone who has the financial means and committment to support him for life, and who has a record of doing so for other animals. He needs someone willing to give him the time, attention and love he needs and deserves. But you seem to think handing him off to just anyone would be perfectly fine. You are entitled to that opinion, but anyone who has worked for any length of time in any rescue or shelter situation will tell you that you are wrong. Ask Kelly H., Sherry, Karen, Megan, Phil P., etc. > Does any of this make sense to you, or does it just come across as a > childish temper tantrum? It comes off as an unhealthy obsession, Charlie. -L. > > We want to know who picked up the cat and where he is now. > > Why? What difference does it make, if he's well cared for? So what if > he is in a cage? (Not that he is.) I hate to tell you, but a week or > two in a cage isn't going to kill him. Oh Lyn, you don't know dick sh.t about where Conan is, you jumped on this bandwagon to nitpick Mary and dem's da facts puddyttat. Coming in after the fact pretending to hold some great knowledge, you and phillip make a great team... Sesame street song gone wayyyyyyyyyy bad who are the crazies in the neighbourhood, in the neighbourhood in the neighbourhood oh look boys and girls its Lyn and Phillip > > > We want to know who picked up the cat and where he is now. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > oh look boys and girls its Lyn and Phillip Lynnie so funny! She first objected to my posts because I "posted filth." I think I used the word a.shole, no wonder, eh? Now that she has revealed her true nature, my goal is to get as many Rabid Lynnie Mommy Dearest of Poor Jonathan archived as I can. He's going to hate her one day anyway, he might as well hate her for valid reasons. :) "There is no reality, only perception." Jonathan's Mommy Lyn, daughter of a man who had to drink to excess just because he had THAT for a daughter, Sympathy f.ck of Will, who lives in Oregon and likes Fat 41-year-old half-wits. >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. >Maybe you should think about THAT as long and hard as you have been >obsessing over Conan. This comment is petty, small-minded and nasty to the core. I offered to take the cat at a point when no one else wanted him. When others expressed an interest in taking him and I became a controversial candidate, I posted notice that would be happy to defer. This is archived for reference now and in the future. It is part of my famed Google history. I handed you a default victory before the pissing contest even started. But that wasn't enough for you and the humorless vipers with whom you have associated yourself. And now the cat you claim to care so much about is sitting in a kennel instead of the good home that I or someone else would have provided him. Charlie > >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your > >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. > >Maybe you should think about THAT as long and hard as you have been > >obsessing over Conan. > > This comment is petty, small-minded and nasty to the core. No, it's the truth. You seem to take lightly the above issues. It's nothing to take lightly. > I offered to take the cat at a point when no one else wanted him. > When others expressed an interest in taking him and I became a > controversial candidate, I posted notice that would be happy to defer. Yet you still bitch, moan, obsess, protest and whine about the situation. > This is archived for reference now and in the future. It is part of > my famed Google history. > > I handed you a default victory before the pissing contest even > started. I could give a sh.t about your perceived "pissing contest". I don't have the cat. I never wanted the cat and I still don't want the cat. I said in the beginning that this cat isn't special. All I am doing is trying to help find him a home because that is what I do. I try to explain it to you from the point of view of someone who does rescue and you don't want to hear anything I have to say. Fine, so be it. Stick your head in the sand and continue to bitch, moan, obsess, protest and whine all you want, but then don't be surprised if I and others think you a little bit whack for the fact. >But that wasn't enough for you and the humorless Oh I see. "We" (whomever that is) don't think animal abuse is funny so we are "humorless vipers". I suppose you think pedophilia is funny too? No? Well, AFAIC, animal abuse is just as horrific as pedophilia. There's nothing funny about either. >vipers with > whom you have associated yourself. And now the cat you claim to care > so much about is sitting in a kennel instead of the good home that I > or someone else would have provided him. I would much rather the cat sit in a boarding facility than go to someone who takes the above issues so lightly. If you ask any person in animal welfare they would tell you the same thing. Being housed in a kennel (if that's where he is) isn't going to hurt the cat. Being hung by only his front legs in a harness probably *will* hurt the cat. Inhaling pot smoke *will* hurt the cat. Not being fed for two days *will* hurt the cat. It's not neuroscience, Charlie. -L. snip >> vipers with >> whom you have associated yourself. And now the cat you claim [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -L. HERE is something for both of you to ponder. Gosh, the things you can find with Google are amazing!! http://boards.cannabis.com/archive/index.php/t-581.html Or: http://www.druglibrary.org/special/novak/high_culture4.htm Scroll down to: Several people mentioned that when they are high, they feel more aware of animals, that the animals take on a more distinct identity, that they become easier to comprehend as live creatures with personalities and needs of their own. Among smokers, it is widely believed that household pets become high if smoke is blown toward them. One experienced smoker notes that cats handle being stoned better than do dogs: "Cats either curl up and dream, or else prowl around in a prickly alert state with their fur electrified. Dogs just get splay-legged and drool." Other users enjoy watching animals, especially fish in an aquarium. >snip >>> vipers with [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >electrified. Dogs just get splay-legged and drool." Other users >enjoy watching animals, especially fish in an aquarium. Tweaker doesn't like the smoke. He jumps off my lap the second I light up. But this cat belonging to my tenants, Vegas, loves the smoke. One summer I was taking care of her, and if the pipe came out, she was in my lap, no matter where in the house she had been curled up. For her, hearing a bic lighter is like hearing kibbles being poured into a dish. Her behavior doesn't really change, so it could be she just likes the smell. No one will ever convince me it is harmful to her. I'm not forcing the issue. I just do my thing while she sits in my lap, free to jump down and go in the next room if she wants. But she never does as long as the stash is out on the table. A lot of people are like that, too. Charlie > >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your > >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. > >Maybe you should think about THAT as long and hard as you have been > >obsessing over Conan. > > This comment is petty, small-minded and nasty to the core. Though, tone aside, it's probably true: Those holding the Sceptre of Conan Power axed you because of what's mentioned above - recall the Google-digging for your Evil History by whoever it was? FWIW, I like your sense of humour - I keep meaning to post some piccies of one of my cats a la Tweaker in Torture, haven't got round to it yet though, and I guess the moment has passed... S. >> >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your >> >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Conan Power axed you because of what's mentioned above - recall the >Google-digging for your Evil History by whoever it was? Right. I post raunchy stuff. >FWIW, I like your sense of humour - I keep meaning to post some piccies >of one of my cats a la Tweaker in Torture, haven't got round to it yet >though, and I guess the moment has passed... Thank you. Some people don't like my sense of humor. Charlie > >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your > >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. > >Maybe you should think about THAT as long and hard as you have been > >obsessing over Conan. > > This comment is petty, small-minded and nasty to the core. Noooo! Not our good friend Lynnie!! Psst ... Charlie ... Lyn is not in touch with anyone who has anything to do with Conan. No doubt the emails have been flying as she has tried, after the fact, to ingratiate herself with Monica, though wahhhh hahaha! >> >Look - it's simple. You didn't get the cat because you starved your >> >dog and apparently think animal abuse is a subject to joke about. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >flying as she has tried, after the fact, to ingratiate herself >with Monica, though wahhhh hahaha! How do you know that? BTW, I am over there in rpca trying to make new friends but it's not working very well. What am I doing wrong? Charlie |
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