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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 20057 weeks of Prozac
and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and we still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's playing, obsessing as usual, napping, being a pretty normal (albeit weird) cat. But the pee is unpredictable and everywhere still (again?). floors, beds, sofas, bowls. The only reason my desk and counters have been safe is that she can't jump anymore (or won't - had torn ACL). I go through a LOT of cleaner and do a ton of laundry. This isn't fun. Still hoping for some answers.  SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and we > still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's playing, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > through a LOT of cleaner and do a ton of laundry. This isn't fun. > Still hoping for some answers. Poor Janet. I am sorry you're still havig this problem with your weird and wonderful little tortie girl. But I must say, I thought at first from your subject line that you were prescribing for the group!! ;) As we have already ascertaine, I have no solutions for you. I would, as you already have done, isolate her in a single room, but we have been all over that. Kudos to you for your dedication to helping her. This is a hard problem to live with. > and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and we > still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's playing, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > through a LOT of cleaner and do a ton of laundry. This isn't fun. > Still hoping for some answers. Boy, it sounds awful. Has the vet mentioned kitty equivalents of ditropan (which is given to humans with bladder urgency)? Seems to work pretty well for humans -- maybe that's what your kitty needs? Or has that already been tried? I found this here link for you, which you may have already seen: http://courses.vetmed.wsu.edu/vm552/urogenital/micturit.htm SignatureCatherine & Zoe the cockerchow & Queenie the black gold retriever & Rosalie the calico >Boy, it sounds awful. Has the vet mentioned kitty equivalents of ditropan >(which is given to humans with bladder urgency)? Seems to work pretty [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://courses.vetmed.wsu.edu/vm552/urogenital/micturit.htm Haven't talked about, but the urination is definitely VOLUNTARY. Still, will discuss with my vet. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > >Boy, it sounds awful. Has the vet mentioned kitty equivalents of ditropan > >(which is given to humans with bladder urgency)? Seems to work pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Haven't talked about, but the urination is definitely VOLUNTARY. > Still, will discuss with my vet. Is there some kind of incontinent product you can get? I've seen them for dog but not for cats. >Is there some kind of incontinent product you can get? I've seen them for >dog but not for cats. She's not incontinent, and I'd hate to have her wearing something that restricted her bowel movements (which are always in the box). She urinates in the box but also out of the box, and it's very purposeful and some places are "given". An empty bowl on the floor will be peed in. A plastic bag will be peed on. One sofa will be peed on (it has washable slipcovers and waterproof covering underneath, so it gets cleaned very thoroughly. I live with plastic tablecloths on the sofas in the family room, when we're not sitting on them, as they are easier to clean than washing and re-fitting slipcovers constantly. There are other more random places, and sometimes it's a real investigation game. As far as kitty-"depends", I think we'd have them taken off by the other cat or a dog! SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album >>Boy, it sounds awful. Has the vet mentioned kitty equivalents of >>ditropan (which is given to humans with bladder urgency)? Seems to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Haven't talked about, but the urination is definitely VOLUNTARY. > Still, will discuss with my vet. I'm just wondering how you know -- are you basing it on the fact that she seems to choose certain places? If so, I would guess that when urgency strikes, a cat would get to the nearest acceptable place (whatever a cat might think is acceptable). In people, the whole "spastic bladder" thing is hard to diagnose, I think. I don't know, I could be wrong, but plastic is such a cat-unlikely place to pee on that it sounds to me like at least *some* urgency must be involved. SignatureCatherine & Zoe the cockerchow & Queenie the black gold retriever & Rosalie the calico >I'm just wondering how you know -- are you basing it on the fact that she >seems to choose certain places? If so, I would guess that when urgency [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >is such a cat-unlikely place to pee on that it sounds to me like at least >*some* urgency must be involved. Actually, plastic seems a PREFERRED place to pee. She seems to seek out locations - it's not where she's been sleeping, she actively goes TO something to pee. and it isn't necessarily a matter of close by. In fact. most of it happens on the same level where the majority of the cat boxes are, just feet away. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > Actually, plastic seems a PREFERRED place to pee. She seems to seek > out locations - it's not where she's been sleeping, she actively goes > TO something to pee. and it isn't necessarily a matter of close by. > In fact. most of it happens on the same level where the majority of > the cat boxes are, just feet away. ok I was mistaken with the incontinence thing, but now I got it. One of my cats likes to pee on plastic, I have no idea why but it drives me crazy... and my closet floor, even when the litterbox is perfectly clean... Mine will walk up to you and pee next to you, I can't figure it out, he's neuteured, albeit a later neuturing as he's a stray, so I just pick him up and dump him in the litter. But if I'm not here to see it then I have a job to clean when I get home. He always does his bowel movements in the litter though. I've noticed he has tiny feet and walks on his toes, I'm wondering if this has something to do with it. If I ever find out why he's doing it I'll pass the information on to you. Trish http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163160 http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163166 http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163171 http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=132206&j=t Janet, Have you tried adding another box with a different kind of cat litter in it. I had a calico years ago who would insist on pooping in one and peeing in the other and if only 1 box was present she'd pee on the floor. You have to have the heart of a saint for putting up with this. If it were me by now she'd be living in a huge multi-tiered kennel or confined to one room till the problem was resolved. Celeste > >I'm just wondering how you know -- are you basing it on the fact that she > >seems to choose certain places? If so, I would guess that when urgency [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > In fact. most of it happens on the same level where the majority of > the cat boxes are, just feet away. >Have you tried adding another box with a different kind of cat litter in it. >I had a calico years ago who would insist on pooping in one and peeing in >the other and if only 1 box was present she'd pee on the floor. We have 4 boxes. 2 with her seemingly preferred litter (A&H Flushable), 1 with another flushable sand, and 1 with crystals. We have 2 cats. >You have to have the heart of a saint for putting up with this. If it were >me by now she'd be living in a huge multi-tiered kennel or confined to one >room till the problem was resolved. I love her to pieces. If I confine her to a room, she still pees and I have to listen to her mournful cries, plus, she really does enjoy the company of people, the other cat, and the dogs. It's not easy though! SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album >>Have you tried adding another box with a different kind of cat litter in >>it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the company of people, the other cat, and the dogs. It's not easy > though! Would she use a litter box with a plastic bag and maybe just a thin layer of litter? >Would she use a litter box with a plastic bag and maybe just a thin layer of >litter? She'll use anything. She doesn't avoid her litterboxes. She just goes elsewhere in ADDITION to them. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and we > still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's playing, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album Is it spraying or peeing? >Is it spraying or peeing? peeing. horizontal surfaces. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and we > still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's playing, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > through a LOT of cleaner and do a ton of laundry. This isn't fun. > Still hoping for some answers. Hi Janet, I honestly think this cat is marking with her urine, and I believe the source of her anxiety may be your dogs. Unfortunately, it sounds like this might be a case where the cat would do better in a home where she's the only cat. It seems like you've tried pretty much everything. My personal opinion is that drugging her is only going to mask the symptoms. I know this isn't what you want to hear and I wish I could offer a solution. Lauren >I honestly think this cat is marking with her urine, and I believe the >source of her anxiety may be your dogs. Unfortunately, it sounds like >this might be a case where the cat would do better in a home where >she's the only cat. I I'm sorry Lauren - I just don't get where you come up with this. Let's see my ad to place her: 12 yo whacko but sweet kitty, renal insufficiency, pees everywhere, screams at random. How many bites do you think I'd get from non-pet homes? SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > Let's see my ad to place her: 12 yo whacko but sweet kitty, renal > insufficiency, pees everywhere, screams at random. How many bites do > you think I'd get from non-pet homes? If she has renal insufficiency, that might be the cause. I don't know her history but wonder exactly how the possibility of UTI and/or kidney infection has been ruled out: http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#UTIs http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#incontinence http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#inappropriate_elimination HTH Helen >If she has renal insufficiency, that might be the cause. I don't know her >history but wonder exactly how the possibility of UTI and/or kidney >infection has been ruled out: You name the test, it's been done. Her downward spiral started in April of 2002, when she didn't come down for dinner. I went up to "her" room, and she stood up on her cat shelf and fell over. I picked her up and was flooded with urine. She was paralyzed from midpoint back. We went to the ER of course, where all tests were negative for anything, then to a neurologist for a long time, and last summer, May of 2004 or so, the urination started to be a problem. She's been on numerous meds, had blood, urine, etc tests, and we still have no real answers. We dumped the neuro vet and switched gears with my regular vet, changing meds to Elavil. We had good months from August 2004 until March 2005 on that. Then it started again, and an increase in Elavil didn't help (and during the adjustment period first few days, she ruptured her ACL trying to jump and missing). We switched vets due to convenience (my other vet is an hour away) and I have trust in the "new" vet, who I've known for years. X-rays, more blood and urine work, switch to Prozac. Added Cosequin (had given just Glucosamine). Everything in my house has been peed on at this point, and it's not a fun way to live. During the course of the day, she's sweet, affectionate, adores the dogs and the other cat, plays, naps, etc. And pees............ SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > >If she has renal insufficiency, that might be the cause. I don't know her > >history but wonder exactly how the possibility of UTI and/or kidney [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > During the course of the day, she's sweet, affectionate, adores the > dogs and the other cat, plays, naps, etc. And pees............ Has she had antibiotics? A lengthy course? As the links I gave mention, UTIs don't always show in a culture. And my cat gets kidney infections which never show up in tests, only he pees wherever he happens to be. 4-6 weeks of Baytril is the only cure for him. Having said that, it does sound to me like there may be a neurological component here. I would seriously consider piddle pants. I also find catpaper helpful in case my boy gets his kidney infections, I have it under throws on the sofas so at least they are safe, and i just have to wash the throws. http://www.felinecrf.org/medications_and_supplies.htm#incontinence_supplies HTH Helen >Having said that, it does sound to me like there may be a neurological >component here. I would seriously consider piddle pants. I also find >catpaper helpful in case my boy gets his kidney infections, I have it under >throws on the sofas so at least they are safe, and i just have to wash the >throws. She has a lot of issues. She was born 2 days after the rest of her litter and I'm sure she was affected by that. Piddle pants are just not a possibility. I tried some briefly when she was confined to room, and they were a disaster. The dogs would probably remove them if worn out and about! I keep plastic tablecloths on the furniture, so I can just wipe it off, but I can't plastic or waterproof cover my entire house. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > >Having said that, it does sound to me like there may be a neurological > >component here. I would seriously consider piddle pants. I also find [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > room, and they were a disaster. The dogs would probably remove them > if worn out and about! Did you try cat ones or dog ones? > I keep plastic tablecloths on the furniture, so I can just wipe it > off, but I can't plastic or waterproof cover my entire house. Catpaper is far thinner than plastic tablecloths. My guests sit on it (it's under the throws) and they don't even know it's there. It comes in rolls so you can cut it to size. Helen >Catpaper is far thinner than plastic tablecloths. My guests sit on it (it's >under the throws) and they don't even know it's there. It comes in rolls so >you can cut it to size. no kidding? where do you get it? I have waterproof covering on the cushions, under the covers, but got tired of washing the covers (and wrestling them on and off). The tablecloths have worked well because they cover without any gaps (and some other attempts, urine managed to flow around and over edges of things). The catpaper sound interesting. My first cat was so fanatical about her box habits that she managed it fully even when paralyzed for 7 weeks on 2 occasions (cardiomyopathy with thrombosis). My 2nd cat had problems only due to renal failure, and they were few. Carey's issues are a whole different level of complicated. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > >Catpaper is far thinner than plastic tablecloths. My guests sit on it (it's > >under the throws) and they don't even know it's there. It comes in rolls so > >you can cut it to size. > > no kidding? where do you get it? In the Meds and Supplies link I sent you. Helen >Catpaper is far thinner than plastic tablecloths. My guests sit on it (it's >under the throws) and they don't even know it's there. It comes in rolls so >you can cut it to size. Looked at this product and it's just not a practical answer. The rolls are only 20" wide, so I would need to make a few strips in order to cover a couch. Not to mention have to wash any throw over it. I think I'll stick with my cheapo plastic tablecloths, which only need to be wiped off. Very cost effective, full coverage, and easy to remove and replace. I have to say that the products on that site are kinda scary. Are that many people living with cats who pee everywhere? I had never had this kind of problem before 3 years ago, and have lived with several cats over the last 30 years. Turning my house into a urine-proof haven is not exactly my idea of ideal life with cats! Let's face it - I want to have cats as companions. I feed them well, treat them well, provide for their every need as best I can, and they can't even manage to use the litterboxes exclusively. I know that we are servants to felines, but it gets a little ridiculous when we start needing all of these urine-absorbing products. What does it do to a cat to have it wear "piddle pants" all of the time and have to defecate in them as well? What human wants to be changing a cat's diaper? Is it life to live in a cage instead? Treat them like birds with newspaper at the bottom of a cage? I want cats who sleep in my bed, snuggle on my lap, and purr as they rub against our legs. I don't want cats who have to be closely confined in order to keep my house from becoming a giant litterbox for them to use at will. Still looking for solutions to the problem, rather than ways to protect my house against her whims........ SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > >Catpaper is far thinner than plastic tablecloths. My guests sit on it (it's > >under the throws) and they don't even know it's there. It comes in rolls so [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Still looking for solutions to the problem, rather than ways to > protect my house against her whims........ And I think that last paragraph sums it up perfectly. It's also the reason why you'll probably never get the results you desire. You have repeatedly ignored or objected to every single thing suggested to you. You want the cat to change, yet you refuse to facilitate this for her. And I'm willing to bet the atmosphere in your home is - shall we say - stressed. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll return to my household of three former piddlers, two of whom were extremely severe cases, and all of whom now have perfect toileting manners. Helen >And I think that last paragraph sums it up perfectly. It's also the reason >why you'll probably never get the results you desire. You have repeatedly >ignored or objected to every single thing suggested to you. You want the cat >to change, yet you refuse to facilitate this for her. And I'm willing to bet >the atmosphere in your home is - shall we say - stressed. no, i have contacted my vet about the next steps to solve this problem. That isn't ignoring or objecting - that's trying to move forward and find a solution. Not wanting 'cat paper" is hardly ignoring the problem. The covering I am using is more cost effective, easier to clean, and has better coverage. My home is not stressed except I get tired of mopping up urine. Carey is napping in her favorite cat bed in her favorite room as I type. The same room she pees in a lot, which does contain a litter box. She spent most of the day yesterday, curled up in there with Skipjack (who overflows the bed, but neither of them seem to mind). She spent late afternoon snuggling with the dogs instead, and the evening on the back of my sofa. I don't know what she does overnight most of the time. The other cat and both dogs sleep with us, but she chooses not to most of the time, although she does curl up with one of the dogs frequently. "Piddle pants" seem unfair as far as her defecation needs - don't you agree? Yes, I have resisted caging her. I suppose I would feel better about doing such if I had some faith that I could have her out of the cage and not a problem, as with a puppy who is training. Cats aren't as easy to supervise as a puppy though, and can reach so many more places. Still, it may be the ultimate answer, at least if I'm sleeping or not home. I can't imagine she will enjoy it, but hey, why should I care about what she wants <sarcasm on>. SignatureJanet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album > and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and > we still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a ton of laundry. This isn't fun. Still hoping for some > answers. I wish I had some. I've never had a situation like that before. The closest was Shadow who used to pee on clothes if left on the floor. Once I stopped doing that (leaving clothes on the floor), he stopped. I have no idea what caused him to do that, but it was never something that he kept doing. Good luck and I feel for you. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >> and about 6 of Cosequin, switched back to Wellness canned, and >> we still have peeing, yowling, and I'm pretty frustrated! She's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > stopped. I have no idea what caused him to do that, but it was > never something that he kept doing. Good luck and I feel for you. Maybe you're mother bribed the cat to get you to pick up your clothes ;o) |
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