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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Conan Hysteria and a Challenge
I am just shaking my head in disbelief at how this online rescue attempt has snowballed into hundreds of posts, and so many people actually clamoring to adopt, or aid in the adoption, of one cat. It's a good thing. He's a lucky cat; no matter how many people don't like the methods implemented, he has the ultimate second chance. I just wonder how many of you have stopped to realize how many adoptable cats, in that very shelter, were euthanized during the time Conan was there, and in the six days since. How many strays, relinqushed cats, kittens. How many pampered house cats belonging to the eldery who've been dumped at the shelter when the owner must go to a nursing home, or dies, are sitting there right now, terrified and confused. I'm not minimizing Conan's plight; he was certainly worthy of the efforts, the emotional investment, the monetary donations. What I don't get is the intrigue, the secrecy and the competition to help one cat. I'd just like to suggest for those of you who got (and still are) so emotionally involved in Conan, or disappointed that the rescue isn't as public as you'd like it to be, to think about this. I'd challenge each and every one of you to go to your local municipal pound and get a cat. Not a humane society, or private shelter, I mean a municipal pound where the cat is going to fry in 72 hours after it hits the cage if it's not sprung. Anybody can pull off a "rescue". Get the cat, take it for vetting, and isolate it in an extra bedroom. Then incorporate every single resource you know to find it a GOOD home. You've all seen excellent suggestions right here. It's a little work, a little hassle, and a little money. Big deal. I do it all the time and I'm certainly not in good health, or financially well off either. Let the "other camp" have the glory and call the shots. And be happy that Conan isn't in the dead animal dumpster behind OC Shelter. Then concentrate your efforts on another cat. You'll be saving a life. Sherry > I am just shaking my head in disbelief at how this online rescue > attempt has snowballed into hundreds of posts, and so many people > actually clamoring to adopt, or aid in the adoption, of one cat. Nobody is doing any of that now. We're just being sad that he has been in a cage for over a week because Monica is on a power trip and turned down three wonderful adoptors. I read your entire post and find it really depressing. Your assumptions are way off base with regard to how many people do what for their local shelters, and your take on this entire chain of events is misguided at best. This cat was on his way to a good home--a local home--when Monica Towle persuaded Dan Mahoney to lie to us and put him in a cage in a kennel for over a week. It's upsetting to those of us who have come to care about this cat. If they all look alike and are alike and "what is all this HYSTERIA about and etc," then what is clear is that you are too jaded to be of any help. > > I am just shaking my head in disbelief at how this online rescue > > attempt has snowballed into hundreds of posts, and so many people [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > all this HYSTERIA about and etc," then what is clear is that you are > too jaded to be of any help. No, I don't think I'm jaded. At least I hope not. I admit my assumptions could be way off base, because I have found it impossible to keep up with every post and every player. What I *do* see, are a whole bunch of extremely compassionate and generous people concentrating on one cat. I can imagine what could be accomplished, and how many *other* cats could be helped if those resources were spread out, and not concentrated on one cat. Sherry >What I *do* see, are a whole bunch of extremely compassionate and >generous people concentrating on one cat. I can imagine what could be >accomplished, and how many *other* cats could be helped if those >resources were spread out, and not concentrated on one cat. If you get involved in a story, you want to know how it ends. A lot of people were involved in this story, whether it was offering a home, working on a flight, offering to donate money, calling the shelter, or just thinking good thoughts. Some people donated to their local shelters in honor of Conan. But all of those people cared enough to want to know what happened to him. To have somebody come in (or somebody change the plans) and then go silent on the issue is pretty frustrating. Imagine going to the movies, paying your money, spending 2 hours getting entrenched in the story, and then the movie cuts off with no ending. Chances are, you'd be upset. And you wouldn't want a refund. You'd rather just see the end of the movie. That is much more satisfying. Well, here we have a real life story, and the ending of this story is more important than some fictional story. We have invested, our time and emotion into this story, only to have it taken away. Most people here just want to know what happened. What *really* happened. We'd also like to know if this is a tragedy or a happy ending. It was looking like a tragedy, then a happy ending, and then we weren't sure. Then we kept seeing various happy endings tossed in the trash. I really believe that most people just want to know what happened, and they want to see an ending to the story, in other words, Conan getting a permanent home. Until that ending happens, I doubt many people will be satisfied.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >What I *do* see, are a whole bunch of extremely compassionate and > >generous people concentrating on one cat. I can imagine what could be [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > a permanent home. Until that ending happens, I doubt many people will > be satisfied. Very well put, Meghan. I think you hit the nail right on the head. I think knowing that this kitty is finally in a forever home would put a lot of people's minds at ease, instead of playing guessing games. What I don't understand is why it has to be so cloak and dagger. Why not be up front and let people know the progress of the cat. As to other cats in shelters, I think a lot of us are involved, in one way or another, with our local rescue leagues/shelters. We may not all post about it, but that doesn't mean we're not doing anything for other needy and deserving animals. just my 2 1/2 cents, Lauren > Very well put, Meghan. I think you hit the nail right on the head. I > think knowing that this kitty is finally in a forever home would put a > lot of people's minds at ease, instead of playing guessing games. What > I don't understand is why it has to be so cloak and dagger. Why not be > up front and let people know the progress of the cat. I don't understand the cloak-and-dagger thing, either. > As to other cats in shelters, I think a lot of us are involved, in one > way or another, with our local rescue leagues/shelters. We may not all > post about it, but that doesn't mean we're not doing anything for other > needy and deserving animals. I am fully aware of that. Mary insinutated that I rather minimized the extent that other people are already involved in their local shelters. I did not, and that thought actually never crossed my mind. I'm aware that a whole lot of posters are already quite involved. I also know that just be virtue of being enough of a cat-lover to reguarly post here, means they care enough about the species to contribute to the welfare of cats at whatever level they're able to on a regular basis. In fact, my own personal theory about the Conan frenzy is that this one cat turned into a living singular example of frustraion and heartbreak over the hundreds of nice, adoptable cats who are dumped at a shelter right now. None of us can save them all, but this time everybody had a chance to save one, and Conan symbolized all of them. It was really neat to see it unfold until it turned icky. I hope you get your answers. And yes, I do agree that you all need that. Another wacko nutjob theory I have is that, the majority of people who regularly do rescue, and many of the best voluteers, are control freaks. I don't say that in a bad way. But it's true from what I see everyday. Could be a contributing factor in this deal. Sherry > In fact, my own personal theory about the Conan frenzy is that this one > cat turned into a living singular example of frustraion and heartbreak > over the hundreds of nice, adoptable cats who are dumped at a shelter > right now. None of us can save them all, but this time everybody had a > chance to save one, and Conan symbolized all of them. It was really > neat to see it unfold until it turned icky. I think you hit the nail squarely on the head with that insight, Sherry. There are days I can be perfectly happy, everything going my way, and not a care in the world. And then I'll start thinking about a little kitten, or an old cat, abandoned and starving, or waiting in a cage to be "put to sleep" (I hate euphemisms like that, it hides an awful truth), and I'll be in tears for the rest of the day. No we can't save them all, and that knowledge hurts. Just knowing that there are people in this world who are callous enough to "dump" a cat who is no longer "convenient" to own - not to mention those sickos who actively try to hurt cats - is just too depressing to dwell on. I've tried to stay out of the Conan drama as much as possible because I feel I have "friends" in both "camps" and I don't want to alienate anyone. However, trying for a little "balance" here...Being in a kennel is not a horrible existence, if it's temporary. People go off on one or two week vacations all the time and leave their pets in a kennel. As long as the kennel is clean and well-run and the pets are cared for properly, then the pets are perfectly fine. That being said though, I think it is a bit mean-spirited to withhold all information on a cat with whom so many people have become emotionally involved, or to deny that cat a forever-home simply because of group politics (if that is the case). I've always donated to local rescue groups, but if nothing else, this whole drama has encouraged me to get more personally involved in getting more cats placed in good homes. Hugs, CatNipped People go off on one or two week > vacations all the time and leave their pets in a kennel. As long as the > kennel is clean and well-run and the pets are cared for properly, then the > pets are perfectly fine. That being said though, I think it is a bit > mean-spirited to withhold all information on a cat with whom so many people > have become emotionally involved, or to deny that cat a forever-home simply > because of group politics (if that is the case). I agree on both counts. I'm fuzzy on the reasons some people were turned down. I just have to assume there's stuff we don't know. This isn't applicable to the Conan deal, but the outpouring of concern alone I can't help thinking about 300 neglected dogs we ended up seizing. It made media headlines, even made the national news. People clamored to adopt those dogs. They fought over them. They came from nearby states on adoption day. The phone rang about them constantly, and we got over $40,000 in donations for those dogs. One newspaper story mentioned they were so matted they had to be shaved, and it was early spring, still very cool weather. The next week we got enundated with dog sweaters, some hand-knitted! It was wonderful to see that. But it made me wish for just a *fraction* of that concern and generosity on an everyday basis, for the regular dogs/cats. Sherry > People go off on one or two week > > vacations all the time and leave their pets in a kennel. As long as the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I agree on both counts. I'm fuzzy on the reasons some people were > turned down. I just have to assume there's stuff we don't know. Bullshit. I have the entire correspondence between Monica and the San Diego guy, and Meghan has told us all with regard to why her sister was turned down. Do not give credit where credit is not due. > This isn't applicable to the Conan deal, but the outpouring of concern > alone I can't help thinking about 300 neglected dogs we ended up > seizing. Yeah, yeah, we get it. Blah blah blah. >care in the world. And then I'll start thinking about a little kitten, or >an old cat, abandoned and starving, or waiting in a cage to be "put to >sleep" (I hate euphemisms like that, it hides an awful truth), and I'll be >in tears for the rest of the day. No we can't save them all, and that >knowledge hurts. Yes, I have this problem when I get to thinking about Jenny, my rescued dog. She was kept by a backyard breeder with plans to breed her (thankfully, they didn't). When I got her, I knew she was neglected and not socialized. She was obviously afraid of everything. She was one wacked out damaged dog. Even from the beginning, it was obvious that she needed a lot of patience. She was not housebroken. She could not walk across linoleum or hard wood floors. She couldn't go through doorways or stairways. She had to be carried in and out, fed in a different location, etc. And it took months to get her to do those things. By then, we also know of the abuse. She got over the new house things and sounds. But she was terrified of airborne objects, even a falling kleenex, and feet. It was extreme panic for somebody to walk past her. And she growled at my 12 year old nephew. She only growled at one other person, a 13 year old boy. The house she came from had a 13 year old boy. Anyway, I know that the average person would not be prepared to deal with this dog. I wasn't really either, as I was in college and working. But there were other people at home, so she wasn't alone. And we all had the patience to deal with her. I think most people would have dumped her at the shelter, and she would have been considered unadoptable. It get really angry when I think of what these people did to this sweet dog. And I wonder how many other damaged dogs were killed because they were damaged and then didn't have somebody to save them. My mom's rescued dog was a puppy mill breeder dog. The puppy mill gave her away free to a couple who thought it would be great to get a registered sheltie. They didn't realize how messed up a dog would be if kept in a cage for years. Not housebroken, and major anxiety. And while I am sure they were good people, they both worked outside the home at the same time, so that left 8-10 hours for this dog to be left alone, making messes and chewing up everything. They just couldn't deal with a dog like this. So many dogs and cats ruined. or just tossed away, and we can't possibly help them all. It gets very overwhelming and sad. We *need* the good stories to keep us focused at doing what we can. As it is, I am hooked on adopting from shelters or rescue groups. And I really want all my shelties to be special case rescues. Jenny has taught me so much that I want to pass it along to the others. As long as I have the time and the experience, I might as well put it to good use. And it sure is a wonderful feeling to look at a formerly abused dog and see a happy dog looking back. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com snip > I am fully aware of that. Mary insinutated that I rather minimized the > extent that other people are already involved in their local shelters. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > over the hundreds of nice, adoptable cats who are dumped at a shelter > right now. Dumped? That is a melodramatic description. Animal Control is the largest contributor to the OC Shelter population, followed by private individuals who have borrowed animal traps to capture strays and ferals. Then there is the relatively small population of "owner relinquished" animals. Another small population of Shelter contributors are foster homes who cannot place the kittens of strays and owner relinquished cats in their temporary custody. I learned a bit from two of the seasoned shelter workers. > None of us can save them all, but this time everybody had a > chance to save one, and Conan symbolized all of them. It was really > neat to see it unfold until it turned icky. The day things turned icky here was on the day after I decided to exercise my exhange option option. > I hope you get your answers. And yes, I do agree that you all need that. You may think "they need" answers but in fact, are not entitled to any explanations. > Another wacko nutjob theory I have is that, the majority of people who > regularly do rescue, and many of the best voluteers, are control > freaks. I don't say that in a bad way. But it's true from what I see > everyday. Could be a contributing factor in this deal. > > Sherry You're likely right. Mary and one or two others is/are ...out of control. LOL snip > I think knowing that this kitty is finally in a forever home would put a > lot of people's minds at ease, instead of playing guessing games. What [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > just my 2 1/2 cents, > Lauren Hhahaha. These people will bicker because any home found will not be the home of THEIR choosing nor will it be soon enough, nor will it be near enough to their Chosen One in San Diego. "Why not be up front..." is OBVIOUS. Look at all the filth, drama, and vindictiveness that has taken over completely since Conan was removed from OC Shelter. There's your reason for taking this out off the public forum. > > >What I *do* see, are a whole bunch of extremely compassionate and > > >generous people concentrating on one cat. I can imagine what could be [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > just my 2 1/2 cents, > Lauren And, the "what about the other cats in the shelters" comment, along with the "others do this without calling attention to themselves" comment are the last refuge of those who want to find a way to say that mobiizing to help Conan had to be a bad thing. :) However, horseshit still smells like horseshit no matter how you package it. > And, the "what about the other cats in the shelters" comment, > along with the "others do this without calling attention to themselves" > comment are the last refuge of those who want to find a way to say > that mobiizing to help Conan had to be a bad thing. :) However, > horseshit still smells like horseshit no matter how you package it. What I think I'm smelling is a direct quote that nobody ever actually said. I certainly never said <start quote> others do this without calling attemtion to themselves>> end quote. I don't recall that specific quote from anyone else, either. Sherry > > And, the "what about the other cats in the shelters" comment, > > along with the "others do this without calling attention to themselves" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry When you don't read the posts, what do you expect. Your good buddy Lyn has made this claim as has your best friend Cheryl. You know I like you Sherry, regardless of how much you piss me off at times. But THIS time I do not find your comments helpful. We had a little one-cat problem and together formed a nice solution. Find someone to get him, send the money to get him out and transported, find a wonderful local home. It was all done--until Monica Towel convinced Dan Mahoney to betray us. Now the cat has been in a cage for over a week when he did not have to be. It is simple, and it stinks no matter what spin you give it. >>> And, the "what about the other cats in the shelters" comment, >>> along with the "others do this without calling attention to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > when he did not have to be. It is simple, and it stinks no matter > what spin you give it. Mary: CERTAINLY you just made the most self serving SPIN to date! Wow. >>What I *do* see, are a whole bunch of extremely compassionate and >>generous people concentrating on one cat. I can imagine what could be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >To have somebody come in (or somebody change the plans) and then go >silent on the issue is pretty frustrating. Yep. This group has some real shitheads who know how to take the fun out of life. My attitude about Conan has always been, he's a standard-issue housecat. I don't know him, but I like animals, so if no one else wants him, I want him. If someone else wants him, that's even better. I get sucked into enough animal trips as it is. However, I am not as sentimental as many people. I realize Conan is much more important to a lot of folks than he is to me, because of the story that goes along with him. When you suggested your sister (even though you sided with the "Charlie worries me" crowd) I thought that was an excellent idea. That way you can use your interest in photography and web pages to keep the story alive. As for Queen Monica's edict -- "a merely 'good enough' home is not good enough for us," -- it's nothing more than a pretext for two or three surly, humorless people to take ownership of the Conan story and effectively put an end to it. The ideal conditions for feline bliss are not difficult to create in any home. All it takes is a loving and devoted cat owner. Charlie > However, I am not as sentimental as many people. I realize Conan is > much more important to a lot of folks than he is to me, because of the > story that goes along with him. To me, and I suspect a lot of other people who have worked in rescue for a while, there's NOTHING special about this story or this cat. There's a lot of angst and energy being poured into this cat, while thousands with the exact same story sit on death row. Long distance rescues are almost always about the people and rarely about the animal. If it was about the animal, there are ones just as deserving locally. b > > However, I am not as sentimental as many people. I realize Conan is > > much more important to a lot of folks than he is to me, because of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > b How bleeding original. Thanks so much for your contribution. >However, I am not as sentimental as many people. I realize Conan is >much more important to a lot of folks than he is to me, because of the >story that goes along with him. When you suggested your sister (even >though you sided with the "Charlie worries me" crowd) I thought that >was an excellent idea. That way you can use your interest in >photography and web pages to keep the story alive. This issue has brought out so much discussion, that I feel I have gotten to know you better, and I'm not so concerned anymore. There are som nagging issues, but not enough to say you shouldn't have a cat. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>However, I am not as sentimental as many people. I realize Conan is >>much more important to a lot of folks than he is to me, because of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >gotten to know you better, and I'm not so concerned anymore. There are >som nagging issues, but not enough to say you shouldn't have a cat. It's simple, Meghan. I am a low-bottom troll. The worst. I will say absolutely anything to get a rise out of someone. I have no shame, no morality. Nor am I a perfect pet owner. I have made various mistakes. I stand by the results, however, which consist of a loyal dog and a friendly cat, both of whom seem to be healthy and 100 percent happy with life. I could provide a fine home for Conan, but so could a lot of people. But I'm not the right person to serve as custodian of the group's totem animal. Every time Conan sat in my lap and got a little buzz going with my assistance, I would post about it. It probably isn't wise to give me that opportunity. Conan shouldn't go to a flame warrior or a troll who posts a lot of wild, inflammatory stuff. I think people who have lots of pets tend to provide the best pet care. They get the process organized because they have to. They know who to call and where to go for various services. They don't skimp on quality food, etc., because they buy it in bulk and are savvy shoppers. You appear to be part of a family of serious animal lovers. So, I would encourage you to continue your correspondence with Monica re Conan. All of this will blow over if someone plugged into this group gets Conan and starts posting pix and updates. That's about the only way it will blow over. Charlie >shoppers. You appear to be part of a family of serious animal lovers. >So, I would encourage you to continue your correspondence with Monica >re Conan. LOL. At the rate they're going, he might just be available when Kira is up to a new addition :) Right now, though, I'm nt an option. And my sister just got another kitty, so she's not an option now either. I still think the guy in San Diego would be good. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>shoppers. You appear to be part of a family of serious animal lovers. >>So, I would encourage you to continue your correspondence with Monica [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Right now, though, I'm nt an option. And my sister just got another >kitty, so she's not an option now either. Bah. Three cats, four cats. What difference does one more make? >I still think the guy in San Diego would be good. I agree. He should have gotten that cat Tues. afternoon. The idea that Conan needs some kind of special placement is ridiculous. Can a cat tell the difference? I don't think so. I get the impression Monica is supremely full of herself and not inclined to listen to anything she doesn't want to hear. But I don't think she is too happy about taking the fall for Dan, who continues to court his groupies in rpca as though none of this is happening. Lyn is standing in as the third leg of the stool (whether or not she really is) so she can lavish spite on Mary. It's quite a circus of fools. Charlie > >I still think the guy in San Diego would be good. > > I agree. He should have gotten that cat Tues. afternoon. The idea > that Conan needs some kind of special placement is ridiculous. Can a > cat tell the difference? I don't think so. So when Conan is placed with the guy in the too-small apartment in SD, and starts peeing all over the house because he's not happy, so the guy in SD dumps him at a shelter in SD, would you still think so? Look - Monica et. al. have been doing placements for a long, long time. They know what kind of homes are likely to work - long-term - for any specific cat. Maybe you and others don't understand this because you have never been involved in animal welfare. But it is not just a matter of handing out the cat to any person who comes along. Believe me - we all wish it were that simple. The goal is to make sure the home is suitable for *Conan*. Because cats that are placed "free to good home" end up back at shelters and are euthanized. I have seen it a million times. And nobody wants Conan's placement to fail. > I get the impression Monica is supremely full of herself and not > inclined to listen to anything she doesn't want to hear. Monica is focused on finding the cat the right home. That's clearly all she cares about. > But I don't > think she is too happy about taking the fall for Dan, who continues to > court his groupies in rpca as though none of this is happening. Again, you don't even know Dan is involved. > Lyn > is standing in as the third leg of the stool Absolutely not. I am merely trying to be the voice of reason in this vast wasteland of BS. You people cannot see your a.s for the anus up your nose. >(whether or not she > really is) so she can lavish spite on Mary. Yeah, whatever. I don't need Conan to do that. I am quite capable of whacking Mary when she gets too mouthy, all by myself. >It's quite a circus of > fools. The only people making fools of themselves are those of you searching eyeballs for images and on-line photos for tile patterns. -L. >So when Conan is placed with the guy in the too-small apartment in SD, >and starts peeing all over the house because he's not happy, so the guy >in SD dumps him at a shelter in SD, would you still think so? His place was not that small, and he nursed an ill cat. I doubt he would dump the cat for a simple pee problem. And honestly, why would a cat have a problem with having a condo all to himself? We're not talking about a cabin or closet. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >So when Conan is placed with the guy in the too-small apartment in SD, > >and starts peeing all over the house because he's not happy, so the guy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cat have a problem with having a condo all to himself? We're not > talking about a cabin or closet. Besides which, he has my guarantee that we would take him back if there was any problem, even if I had to fly him here to me until I found him a home. > His place was not that small, What was the square footage? >and he nursed an ill cat. I doubt he > would dump the cat for a simple pee problem. Did you interview him? >And honestly, why would a > cat have a problem with having a condo all to himself? We're not > talking about a cabin or closet. Depends on the condo, no? I have a question for you, Dear Meghan. Since you are a professional photographer, don't you find it irreprehensible that people on this ng would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone such an action? -L. >> His place was not that small, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I have a question for you, Dear Meghan. Since you are a professional >photographer, don't you find it irreprehensible There's a cool new word. >that people on this ng >would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone >such an action? I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've got a cause for legal action. Wouldn't it be fun to put a process server on Mary's doorstep? Charlie > There's a cool new word. It is a word. But obviously I meant reprehensible. > >that people on this ng > >would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone > >such an action? > > > I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've > got a cause for legal action. I don't but Dan and Monica do. -L. > There's a cool new word. It is a word. But obviously I meant reprehensible. > >that people on this ng > >would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone > >such an action? > > > I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've > got a cause for legal action. I don't but Dan and Monica do. -L. > > There's a cool new word. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I don't but Dan and Monica do. Double posts! Now she's twitching at the keyboard, folks!! Hey, EQ, did you get the popcorn? >> There's a cool new word. > >It is a word. But obviously I meant reprehensible. No, Lyn. There is no such word as "irreprehensible." Reality is what it is. If you try to deny that and make up your own reality, people will tell you you're full of sh.t. That is what you have been fighting against all day. It's sad to watch. I think you need to get away from your computer for awhile. Do something fun with your family. Charlie >>> There's a cool new word. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Charlie http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irreprehensible >>>> There's a cool new word. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irreprehensible I'll be damned. It's not in the dictionary I have here. Charlie >>>>> There's a cool new word. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Charlie That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK to use the photos. eq > >>>>> There's a cool new word. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK to use > the photos. Well I'm glad that is settled. > That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK > to use the photos. > > eq Please do me a favor -- if you must use socks, can you please make it somewhat consistent so that I can make a regex rule (not this post)? You're really getting obnoxious and you're the only one I can't filter. I'd like to make this usable again and software is the only way. TYVM HAND SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK > > to use the photos. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > filter. I'd like to make this usable again and software is the only > way. Aww, EQ, she asked you nicely. I think you should conform to Cheryl's idea of how you should post. >> That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK >> to use the photos. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >TYVM HAND Sorry, you didn't have anything to say about socks when your buddy Buzzard was in here using them. Can't help you, but you're the mighty IT guru, I'm sure you can work something out! eq > >> That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly OK > >> to use the photos. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Sorry, you didn't have anything to say about socks when your buddy > Buzzard was in here using them. Hmm. You have a point there. Can't help you, but you're the mighty IT > guru, I'm sure you can work something out! Yes. Maybe her boss could tell her to go and hack your computer. Wa HAHAHAHAHAHA! *sigh* >>> That's OK -- the stupid bitch was saying that it's perfectly >>> OK to use the photos. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > eq Thanks anyways. I figured I'd ask. I know others are sick of it too. You'll probably step it up more since I asked. Whatever. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > No, Lyn. There is no such word as "irreprehensible." Webster's 1913 Dictionary Definition: \Ir*rep`re*hen"si*ble\, a. [L. irreprehensibilis: cf. F. irr['e]pr['e]hensible. See {Reprehensible}.] Not reprehensible; blameless; innocent. -- {Ir*rep`re*hen"si*ble*ness}, n. -- {Ir*rep`re*hen"si*bly}, adv. There are plenty more definitions if you don't like that one. Look it up. -L. > >> There's a cool new word. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > need to get away from your computer for awhile. Do something fun with > your family. Lyn has been fighting reality all her life. That is why she wants to think that she can shape/create reality with her perception. Objective reality is too hard for her to take. She's poisoned by her own bitterness, and is not even effective enough to spread the poison beyond her own husband and child. See Lyn. See Lyn flail. Flail, Lyn, flair. Heh. > >> His place was not that small, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > There's a cool new word. Yes, but irregardless, Lynnie has a good point. Right on top of her greasy head. :) > >that people on this ng > >would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > got a cause for legal action. Wouldn't it be fun to put a process > server on Mary's doorstep? Now that would be fun!! Trouble is, neither photo belongs to my good buddy Lynnie. Bummer, that. In news:721rc19pb9b094d5sn6pq938k0htiim2hi@4ax.com, <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com>Charlie Wilkes stated unanimously: >>> His place was not that small, >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Charlie Just the thought is giving me a boner. >I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've >got a cause for legal action. Wouldn't it be fun to put a process >server on Mary's doorstep? The owner of the photos could require that the ISP remove the photos as there is no permision to post them. But monetary damages for unregistered photos would be limited to what money the violator earned from them, or what it cost the owner of the photos in terms of lost sales. Since there was no money involved, that would not be an issue. So, they could request the removal, but that's all that would be accomplished. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've >>got a cause for legal action. Wouldn't it be fun to put a process [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >So, they could request the removal, but that's all that would be >accomplished. Nothing for Monica's emotional pain and suffering, eh? Charlie >>>I suggest you consult an intellectual property lawyer to see if you've >>>got a cause for legal action. Wouldn't it be fun to put a process [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >Nothing for Monica's emotional pain and suffering, eh? Not unless she had them legally registered with the copyright office. And even then, she would still have to prove the damages. There hasn't been a single dime made off the photos, so I can't imagine any lawyer wanting to touch such a case. Not worth the time. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > Not unless she had them legally registered with the copyright office. > And even then, she would still have to prove the damages. There hasn't > been a single dime made off the photos, so I can't imagine any lawyer > wanting to touch such a case. Not worth the time. We had reasonable cause, a perpetration was in progress, we just bee-boed them. > > His place was not that small, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone > such an action? She doesn't. I got a scathing email. On the other hand, she commends you for accusing Catnipped of burning her own cat. Meghan is funny that way. :) >She doesn't. I got a scathing email. On the other hand, she commends >you for accusing Catnipped of burning her own cat. Meghan is funny >that way. :) I'm confused now. Until a couple days ago, I never even knew that somebody had accused Catnipped of burning her own cat.. And I find that claim hard to believe. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >She doesn't. I got a scathing email. On the other hand, she commends > >you for accusing Catnipped of burning her own cat. Meghan is funny [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > somebody had accused Catnipped of burning her own cat.. And I find > that claim hard to believe. I was being facetious, sorry. My backhanded way of saying "Yes, Lyn, I am sure that Meghan will get really upset about my reposting Dan and Monica's photos, and not at all upset that you accuse CN of something so heinous that you know is not true. It's been a good day--a lonnnnng day, but a good one. I can be a little obtuse at times. >I was being facetious, sorry. My backhanded way of saying "Yes, Lyn, >I am sure that Meghan will get really upset about my reposting Dan [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's been a good day--a lonnnnng day, but a good one. I can be a little >obtuse at times. I get it now. Just a bit slow today. Had fun though. I did a photo shoot of some cute fluffballs. The lady had just bought a really cute "kitty couch" that looks like a fancy victorian style couch. She got the last one at that store, so I went to another one, and the only one they had was damaged. I will try another store tomorrow. That would be an awesome prop for me to have. Kira would love it. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >> His place was not that small, > >What was the square footage? Nobody even asked him. Monica doesn't know either. >>and he nursed an ill cat. I doubt he >> would dump the cat for a simple pee problem. > >Did you interview him? Neither did Monica. Just a couple emails. >>And honestly, why would a >> cat have a problem with having a condo all to himself? We're not >> talking about a cabin or closet. > >Depends on the condo, no? Well, it can't be smaller than a studio apartment, and that is fine for a cat. Even an energetic cat. Even monica said he needs "vertical" space. That means tall cat tree and high furniture to hang out on. It does not require a huge house. >I have a question for you, Dear Meghan. Since you are a professional >photographer, don't you find it irreprehensible that people on this ng >would steal and use other people's photographs? Why did you condone >such an action? The photos were offered as evidence. No good unless you can examine them. Nobody has claimed to take the photos or attempted to use them in any way except to dispute the claims made. And I did ask permission from Phillip for his photos as I wanted to save a few in my album of special animals. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >> His place was not that small, > > > >What was the square footage? > > Nobody even asked him. Monica doesn't know either. Then how can someone say "his place was not that small."? What Monica said is that his place wasn't suitable for Conan - and the guy made a similar comment - Do we really know what that means? No. > >>and he nursed an ill cat. I doubt he > >> would dump the cat for a simple pee problem. > > > >Did you interview him? > > Neither did Monica. Just a couple emails. That's an interview, dear. Just because it isn't done on the phone doesn't mean it isn't an interview. > >>And honestly, why would a > >> cat have a problem with having a condo all to himself? We're not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, it can't be smaller than a studio apartment, and that is fine > for a cat. Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) people unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. >Even an energetic cat. Even monica said he needs "vertical" > space. That means tall cat tree and high furniture to hang out on. It [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nobody has claimed to take the photos or attempted to use them in any > way except to dispute the claims made. Oh that is such a cop-out and such a load of bullshit, and you know it. they were taken without permission and to anyone with any sense of professional ethics, that's wrong. You just lost all credibility. -L. > Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) people > unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. Wow. That is f.cking brutal. You live in Oregon, right? Maybe you folks are used to bigger homes/properties? But at any rate, by your standards, most single people living in any big city would not be suitable pet owners. I got my Luna as a kitten...she was full of energy (still is!) and I lived in a tiny 500-600 sq. feet "junior one bedroom". 1500 sq feet is huge, Lyn...at least in terms of big city standards. If you did placements here in Chicagoland, you'd either have to change your "standards" or you'd be responsible for a lot of dead cats. >> Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) >> people unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > change your "standards" or you'd be responsible for a lot of > dead cats. Since square footage is being examined, how much square footage does Charlie's single wide trailer provide? LOL. Our palatial estate exceeds Lyn's minimum and we are not in the country. LOL! 600 sq ft is quite tiny for a full grown cat. >>>Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) >>>people unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Since square footage is being examined, how much square footage > does Charlie's single wide trailer provide? LOL. Clearly not enough for Lyn's standards. Doesn't matter though. Obviously Charlie isn't getting Conan, so we don't have to worry about it. We can just worry about those poor, abused animals at his home currently. :::eye roll::: > Our palatial estate exceeds Lyn's minimum and we are not in the > country. LOL! 600 sq ft is quite tiny for a full grown cat. Right, but she seemed to be QUITE CONTENT. After all, how many square feet do you think her CAGE was when she was at the shelter? How many square feet would her grave have been if she had been euthed? Moving to my tiny apartment was "movin on up" like George Jefferson used to say!!! It was a goddamn palatial estate compared life on death row! Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that are 1500+ sq. feet. If Lyn were placing animals here in Chicago, she would either have to change (not "lower" btw) her standards or she would be responsible for a lot of dead cats. Duh. Pam > >>>Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) > >>>people unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Pam Fortunately for Chicago, Lyn is only placing cats with the overly rich, overly educated, debutantes she hangs out with. "The pinky and the brain The pinky and the brain One's is crazy The other is insane We're going to take over the world" <sinister laugh can be heard in the distance> > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > are 1500+ sq. feet. You and I must run with different crowds. :) -L. > > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > > are 1500+ sq. feet. > > You and I must run with different crowds. :) > > -L. Well, folks, there you have it. Altogether now: This is one ignorant, insecure bitch. Good! That was very good! Now try this one: It doesn't matter how big your place is, or how much money you have. It is what you have inside, Lynnie. And what you have inside is garbage that is rapidly rotting the outside. Ugly inside is becoming ugly outside. Just as it should. >>Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that >>are 1500+ sq. feet. > > You and I must run with different crowds. :) > > -L. Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. I'm just a simple school teacher. Clearly, my home was inappropriate for a cat. :\ > Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. Nah. Just people who like wide-open spaces. ;) > I'm just a simple school > teacher. Clearly, my home was inappropriate for a cat. :\ I didn't adopt a cat when I was in a studio. I didn't think I could live with the litter box in such close quarters. Do you work for the public school system? -L. >>Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. > > Nah. Just people who like wide-open spaces. ;) Well, now you are just using simple geography as an indicator of who one runs with. I don't live in Oregon. I lived in Chicago and now live nearby. Space is at a premium and also costs a sh.t ton of money. >>I'm just a simple school >>teacher. Clearly, my home was inappropriate for a cat. :\ > > I didn't adopt a cat when I was in a studio. I didn't think I could > live with the litter box in such close quarters. I had the litter box in the bathroom. It was no issue at all. DH says the place was about 700sq feet. No matter how you look at it, you would have denied me a cat based on square footage in a city that probably costs double what you are accustomed to. When I got Luna, I was FINANCIALLY sound and had been wanting a cat since I was a LITTLE girl, when my calico, Abby, died. > Do you work for the public school system? Yes, but I am not sure how relevant that is. Except of course if you want to discuss Oregon's public school system. It's f.cked! You might want to get out of your wide open spaces before your son is school aged. > >>Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. > > > > Nah. Just people who like wide-open spaces. ;) > > Well, now you are just using simple geography as an indicator of who one > runs with. What? I have no idea what you are talking about. The people I know who live in the city (meaning Chicago) aren't all rich but do have spacious living quarters. I grew up in the Chicago area and love the city. Most of my friends still live there. >I don't live in Oregon. I lived in Chicago and now live > nearby. Space is at a premium and also costs a sh.t ton of money. And your point is...? > >>I'm just a simple school > >>teacher. Clearly, my home was inappropriate for a cat. :\ [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have denied me a cat based on square footage in a city that probably > costs double what you are accustomed to. You have no idea what my experiences are. I lived in the Bay Area, sweetie. >When I got Luna, I was > FINANCIALLY sound and had been wanting a cat since I was a LITTLE girl, > when my calico, Abby, died. Great. I'm glad you got a cat and it worked out for you. I still wouldn't place a cat in a 700 sq ft studio. > > Do you work for the public school system? > > Yes, but I am not sure how relevant that is. I was just curious. I know a some about CPS. >Except of course if you > want to discuss Oregon's public school system. It's f.cked! You might > want to get out of your wide open spaces before your son is school aged. We live in an excellent school district. It's subsidized by private funds. -L. >>>>Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > rich but do have spacious living quarters. I grew up in the Chicago > area and love the city. Most of my friends still live there. Again...they must have had a lot more money than me starting out. >>>>I'm just a simple school >>>>teacher. Clearly, my home was inappropriate for a cat. :\ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You have no idea what my experiences are. I lived in the Bay Area, > sweetie. Again...ladeefrickindah. I could pass on your condescending pet names, though. >>When I got Luna, I was >>FINANCIALLY sound and had been wanting a cat since I was a LITTLE girl, >>when my calico, Abby, died. > > Great. I'm glad you got a cat and it worked out for you. I still > wouldn't place a cat in a 700 sq ft studio. You should be glad it worked out for Luna, who was given a home and not EUTHANIZED! >>>Do you work for the public school system? >> >>Yes, but I am not sure how relevant that is. > > I was just curious. I know a some about CPS. I don't work for CPS. I work for the public school system, yes. But in the suburbs. <snip> > > You have no idea what my experiences are. I lived in the Bay Area, > > sweetie. > > Again...ladeefrickindah. I could pass on your condescending pet names, > though. The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is ridiculous. I have lived it. -L. "The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is ridiculous. I have lived it". I live in the Bay Area right now. 1500 sq feet will generally set you back at least $1800 a month and sometimes quite a bit more. Most of the houses in the East Bay where I live are bungalows - 1000/1400 sq feet and they cost about $450,000. -T > "The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds > Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -T And your point is...? -L. >>"The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds >>Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. Just having a discussion. Geesh! > >>"The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds > >>Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > Just having a discussion. Geesh! wa~~~~~~hahaha! > "The point WAS, that the cost of living in the Bay Area far exceeds > Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -T Chicagoland is just under that. I'd say a 1500 sq. foot apt. in chicago (depending on the neighborhood, of course!!!) could cost about $1500 and the condo where I live (not IN the city any more, but just north) will go for about $350,000. However, a condo like the one I live in would cost more like $400,000 in the city itself. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Chicago, so saying I don't know what people can and can't afford is > ridiculous. I have lived it. I understood your point, Lyn. > > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I understood your point, Lyn. lol > > Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L. She put in for a transfer into the school system in your district, lucky lucky you. >> Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. > >Nah. Just people who like wide-open spaces. ;) Really? I thought you were in Portland. Looks like a city every time I go through there. Lots of nasty traffic. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>>Yes. Apparently, you run with the rich folks. >> >>Nah. Just people who like wide-open spaces. ;) > > Really? I thought you were in Portland. Looks like a city every time I > go through there. Lots of nasty traffic. The traffic is shitty there...but it sure doesn't feel like a Chicago or an NYC. > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > are 1500+ sq. feet. You and I must run with different crowds. :) -L. > > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > > are 1500+ sq. feet. > > You and I must run with different crowds. :) Hey, Jonathan ... see what kind of Mom you have? She thinks she is really something because she lives in a big place that Daddy and disability pay for. She puts others down because they don't live on the dole, and so have more modest accomodations. Don't let this bitch shape your values, son. "There is no reality, only perception."~~Butt-ugly Lynn, mother of Poor Jonathan who had no f.cking choice in the matter at all, and chief toilet cleaner for Will, who almost certainly could have done better. > > > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > > > are 1500+ sq. feet. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have more modest accomodations. Don't let this bitch shape your values, > son. You know what's funny, is that even in the most expensive suit a person can still be trailer trash > > > > Most SINGLE people do NOT live in apartments in the Chicago area that > > > > are 1500+ sq. feet. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You know what's funny, is that even in the most expensive suit a person can > still be trailer trash Truer words were never spoken - and Lyn is illustrating your point quite nicely. Hugs, CatNipped >> You know what's funny, is that even in the most expensive suit a person >> can still be trailer trash >Truer words were never spoken So, where can I go to actually find out about Conan and how he's doing and where he's at? I have read dozens of posts but haven't learned a thing about Conan. And I'd like to add that I live in a trailer and I'm most definitely not trash, thankyouverymuch, but I guess if you judge people based on the house they live in you wouldn't know that. Sheesh. Don't you people ever get along even for a moment? Stacia > >> You know what's funny, is that even in the most expensive suit a person > >> can still be trailer trash [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stacia But that is exactly what Trish was saying, Stacia. Lyn, who *claims* to live in a mansion, is much more trashy that the people she is trying to put down by putting on airs. As for Conan, there been about 50,000 about his saga, I don't think you're going to find anybody to give you a digest of the story at this point, so go back and google if you want to know what went on. As for the present, Conan is still in a kennel waiting for a home. Hugs, CatNipped > So, where can I go to actually find out about Conan and how he's doing >and where he's at? I have read dozens of posts but haven't learned a >thing about Conan. Nobody knows. That's the problem. > And I'd like to add that I live in a trailer and I'm most definitely >not trash, thankyouverymuch, but I guess if you judge people based on >the house they live in you wouldn't know that. Sheesh. Don't you >people ever get along even for a moment? As far as I know, only two people on this group think that small houses are a problem. I know many truck drivers have taken cats on the road with them, and they've done fine. I certainly don't have a problem with trailers. I almost moved away for college, and the idea was to get a small trailer so I could take my cats and dog with me. I ended up going to a local college instead. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >> You know what's funny, is that even in the most expensive suit a person > >> can still be trailer trash [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stacia Now where did I say everyone who lives in a trailer is trash? Geesh can't you stop turning every comment into a generalization, thankyouverymuch? > > Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) people > > unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and I lived in a tiny 500-600 sq. feet "junior one bedroom". 1500 sq > feet is huge, Lyn... My pet room is larger than 1500 sq. ft. >at least in terms of big city standards. If you did > placements here in Chicagoland, you'd either have to change your > "standards" or you'd be responsible for a lot of dead cats. I don't live in Chicago so I can call the shots as I see them. Even if I did I wouldn't place a cat in a 500 sq ft studio apt. -L. > > > Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) people > > > unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -L. LOL! Nobody but Jonathan lets you call any shots, Chubs, and that is only until he grows up and begins hating you. >>>Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't place cats with (single) people >>>unless they have 1500sq ft, with few exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > My pet room is larger than 1500 sq. ft. Well, lah-dee-frickin-dah!!! I find that hard to believe though. I now live in a 3 bedroom condo, which is about 1500 square feet. I can't really see having a "pet room" larger than my goddamn condo. That much footage around here goes for QUITE a bit of money. >>at least in terms of big city standards. If you did >>placements here in Chicagoland, you'd either have to change your >>"standards" or you'd be responsible for a lot of dead cats. > > I don't live in Chicago so I can call the shots as I see them. Even if > I did I wouldn't place a cat in a 500 sq ft studio apt. I'm calling bullshit. You wouldnt be able to place ANY f.cking CATS, Lyn. Sure, you can keep calling the shots out there in your luxurious Portland mansion. But my point still stands. If you did rescue/placement work around here, you would be single-handedly RESPONSIBLE for MANY DEAD CATS. I simply can not believe you would deny a cat a home based on square footage when SO MANY OF THEM ARE ON DEATH ROW!!! It's funny, when I went to the HS of Chicago, I was interviewed and asked about my willingness and financial ability to CARE for the cat. Not how much square footage the little fursack would have to bounce around. And even in that tiny place, she had all her favorite little spots and she did PLENTY of bouncing around...and purring...all the usual good stuff. I simply can't imagine my life without this furbaby: http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/luna/posing.html So, both Luna and I are thanking our lucky stars that YOU weren't in charge of her adoption!!! >> I don't live in Chicago so I can call the shots as I see them. Even if >> I did I wouldn't place a cat in a 500 sq ft studio apt. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >work around here, you would be single-handedly RESPONSIBLE for MANY DEAD >CATS. It doesn't matter where she lives. Portland, OR is just as much as city as Chicago or Seattle. If you turn down homes that are smaller than 1500 sq ft, then thousands more animals will be killed. And that's not how most shelters work. When I adopted, I was asked about my current animals. Spayed/neutered? vaccinations? Regular vet care? Etc. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>>I don't live in Chicago so I can call the shots as I see them. Even if >>>I did I wou |
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