You and Dan should have gotten your stories straight. You have both lost
whatever credibility you may have had.
Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and think you
were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great home. He did NOT
agree with you at all. Many people have large, strong
cats that still do not jump up on furniture and generally run rampant.
Had you left things alone, Dan would have delivered Conan to this man last
Wednesday, and the poor cat would not have spent six f.cking days in a cage
in a kennel until Dan could get him into the Redlands--where he is no doubt
also caged most of the time.
Congratulations--you won. Conan lost. When you figure out what you won, do
let me know.
>Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and think you
>were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great home. He did NOT
>agree with you at all. Many people have large, strong
>cats that still do not jump up on furniture and generally run rampant.
Jay Jay is 17 lbs, and he hasn't broken anything or run out of room to
run. And he loves the windowsills (he even fits on them). His favorite
places are the cat tree and the cement floor in the laundry room.
Now, Kira, on the other hand - she's the dangerous one. She fell off
the cat tree behind me and sunk two claws into the back of my
shoulder. What a clutz.

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Mary - 04 Jul 2005 15:45 GMT
> >Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and think you
> >were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great home. He did NOT
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> the cat tree behind me and sunk two claws into the back of my
> shoulder. What a clutz.
My girls are very well mannered--meaning they zip all around but tend
not to jump up on things a lot. Although, Cheeks has flipped me out by
jumping up on top of the armoire in our bedroom--she always does a little
announcing howl beforehand, very cute. I am amazed at the standing high
jumps they can do! Anyway, there is nothing breakable up there, I was just
worried that she would hurt herself. Most people train their cats not to
be where they don't want them to be. I cannot stand having cats lying
all over kitchen counters, so mine don't. They may--as Phils says--do it
when I am not looking, but if so, they are very good at hiding it!
Trish Dunphy - 04 Jul 2005 16:03 GMT
> > >Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and think
> you
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> all over kitchen counters, so mine don't. They may--as Phils says--do it
> when I am not looking, but if so, they are very good at hiding it!
I know this feelings, for some strange reason I hate cat hair, loose cat
hair that is. It actually make s me sick. Luckily our cats do not even
wish to be on the counter tops or table. Unfortunately though my bed seems
to be the command central for them. So my roomate bought me one of those
big pet hair remover rollers, its as big as a mop with an adjustable handle.
I use it daily on my bed to remove the hair before going to sleep.
Philip - 04 Jul 2005 19:10 GMT
>>>> Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and
>>>> think you were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great
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> mop with an adjustable handle. I use it daily on my bed to remove the
> hair before going to sleep.
How are you about getting chest hair in your bed?
Trish Dunphy - 04 Jul 2005 19:32 GMT
> >>>> Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and
> >>>> think you were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great
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>
> How are you about getting chest hair in your bed?
and this is helping cats everywhere how?
guess what applesauce, i'm done with you, you're boring now, old news....
Philip - 04 Jul 2005 19:57 GMT
>>> I know this feelings, for some strange reason I hate cat hair, loose
>>> cat hair that is. It actually make s me sick. Luckily our cats do
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> guess what applesauce, i'm done with you, you're boring now, old
> news....
"Applesauce" Awwww... I've got another title of endearment.
Odds are you'd be happier from the activity responsible for some chest hair
in your bed.
Rhonda - 04 Jul 2005 20:05 GMT
Good for you, Trish,
I stopped reading him awhile ago...
Every few days I'll read one of his posts and find nothing has changed.
Rhonda
> and this is helping cats everywhere how?
>
> guess what applesauce, i'm done with you, you're boring now, old news....
Mary - 05 Jul 2005 02:04 GMT
> > >>>> Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and
> > >>>> think you were being ridiculous. He would have given Conan a great
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>
> and this is helping cats everywhere how?
How about grey chest hair?
> guess what applesauce, i'm done with you, you're boring now, old news....
How about grey chest hair attached to a warty old toad with bleeding
hemorrhoids?
And by the way .... what are you wearing? :)
PawsForThought - 04 Jul 2005 21:30 GMT
> I know this feelings, for some strange reason I hate cat hair, loose cat
> hair that is. It actually make s me sick. Luckily our cats do not even
> wish to be on the counter tops or table. Unfortunately though my bed seems
> to be the command central for them. So my roomate bought me one of those
> big pet hair remover rollers, its as big as a mop with an adjustable handle.
> I use it daily on my bed to remove the hair before going to sleep.
I don't think you'd like eating at my house, LOL. Yeah, I had my cats
perfectly trained to stay off the counters, until DH let them up there.
You know with cats, once you allow them to do something once, that's
it. They do stay away from the area where I prepare food, for the most
part, and I before I do prepare food, I wipe the counter down with
vinegar and water.
Lauren
Trish Dunphy - 04 Jul 2005 21:34 GMT
> > I know this feelings, for some strange reason I hate cat hair, loose cat
> > hair that is. It actually make s me sick. Luckily our cats do not even
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>
> Lauren
I'm sure they know how much it bothers me, I think they save it up til I get
home from work then have a toss the loose cat hair party... oh and if one of
them wants to vomit they make a beeline for my pillows... all I can say is
thankfully I love them to pieces... and that packing tape was invented.
Meghan Noecker - 05 Jul 2005 03:09 GMT
>I'm sure they know how much it bothers me, I think they save it up til I get
>home from work then have a toss the loose cat hair party... oh and if one of
>them wants to vomit they make a beeline for my pillows... all I can say is
>thankfully I love them to pieces... and that packing tape was invented.
I'm very fortunate that Kira heads for the floor is she is going to be
sick. Most cats head for the bed.
As for pillows. my dog always goes there after a bath. Never any oter
time. I now make it a standard practice to remove my pillows and cover
that end of the bed with a towel or sacrifice blanket. She may take
her revenge and enjoy it, and my pillows are still dry :)

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Wendy - 05 Jul 2005 12:54 GMT
> I'm sure they know how much it bothers me, I think they save it up til I
> get
> home from work then have a toss the loose cat hair party... oh and if one
> of
> them wants to vomit they make a beeline for my pillows... all I can say is
> thankfully I love them to pieces... and that packing tape was invented.
Well now, you've made me feel better. Mine only head for any carpeted
surface to barf. I've seen them start hacking in the kitchen and walk to the
living room before kutzing up a hairball. Next time I'll think of your
pillow and maybe won't be so irritated as I go get the Resolve.
W
PawsForThought - 05 Jul 2005 13:02 GMT
> I'm sure they know how much it bothers me, I think they save it up til I get
> home from work then have a toss the loose cat hair party... oh and if one of
> them wants to vomit they make a beeline for my pillows... all I can say is
> thankfully I love them to pieces... and that packing tape was invented.
LOL! Yep, good old packing tape definitely comes in handy :) I bought
this thing called a Sticky Critter which is like one of those roller
type things to get up cat hair, but it's got a permanent material on it
that you can just rinse off when it's full. Another handy item I found
was this rubber sponge that does a pretty good job of picking up cat
hair.
Lauren
Trish Dunphy - 04 Jul 2005 21:37 GMT
> I don't think you'd like eating at my house, LOL. Yeah, I had my cats
> perfectly trained to stay off the counters, until DH let them up there.
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>
> Lauren
You know it bad when before every meal my roomate says, honestly I checked
there is no cat hair near the food lol (she does the cooking, I do the
dishes, a perfect arrangement)
> You and Dan should have gotten your stories straight. You have both lost
> whatever credibility you may have had.
Mary,
I don't know what your communications were with Dan and I am really
mystified as to what you keep referring to. It really was irrelevant to me
who said what to whom and who phoned and said what to the shelter given that
a cat's life was potentially at stake. We feared that that was becoming the
focus rather than getting Conan out. Then, there was your speculation and
excuse about "out-of-town" adoptions. When I read the phrase: "we can not
save this cat" in your post, I couldn't understand that after all of the
publicized back and forth you and others were giving up. I posted my view. A
few of us then sprang into action fearful that Conan was at risk. As I
recall, you offered to give *anyone* who adopted Conan the adoption fee you
generously donated. Since you were not involved in our decision to get him
out of the shelter before the "re-evaluation" date, we did not feel that it
would be the right thing to do to accept the money and I posted that.
> Moreover, I read your correspondence with the San Diego man, and think you
> were being ridiculous.
That is your and anyone else's prerogative. You have your opinions and
principles. My and others' criteria for a great home do not coincide with
yours, that was clear in your posts. You/others find things amusing and/or
acceptable that we don't in terms of animal welfare. The three of us have
the same principles in regards to adopting out and we made/make decisions as
a group.
>He would have given Conan a great home. He did NOT
> agree with you at all.
You either do not have our entire e-mail correspondence as you claim, or you
missed the information in said correspondence, or you are not telling the
truth.
>Many people have large, strong
> cats that still do not jump up on furniture and generally run rampant.
For Pete's sake Mary, "running rampant"....do you hear how ridiculous this
sounds? The configuration of the space along with several other factors were
at issue. But as you have the entire correspondence, you know that already,
so who is being disingenuous?.
> Had you left things alone, Dan would have delivered Conan to this man last
> Wednesday, and the poor cat would not have spent six f.cking days in a cage
> in a kennel until Dan could get him into the Redlands--where he is no doubt
> also caged most of the time.
I truly do not understand your obsession with having to be right about cats
suffering when that is not the case. You did the same with Henry. Are you
that much of a masochist that you have to keep an image of suffering alive
or is it because you said it so many times that it would make you look
foolish to be wrong. Why can you not accept and be happy about the fact that
Conan is alive, happy, and well-cared for? If you really believe that I
could be party to a plan that would harm an animal in any way, you don't
know me, have not read or comprehended a thing I have posted here now and
throughout the years, or you have a need to be right no matter what the
facts are.
> Congratulations--you won. Conan lost. When you figure out what you won, do
> let me know.
And that is, in a nutshell, what it is all about with you: competition. I
can't for the life of me understand how rescuing an animal can be framed in
terms of winning and losing. Conan is alive and well and we will find a
great permanent home for him. It seems to matter more to you that you were
not part of the actual rescue than that he is safe. I don't get that.
Enough said.
M.
Mary - 04 Jul 2005 16:09 GMT
> > You and Dan should have gotten your stories straight. You have both lost
> > whatever credibility you may have had.
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> I don't know what your communications were with Dan and I am really
> mystified as to what you keep referring to.
Monica, just see if you can do right by this cat. Please do not waste your
energy
on more bullshit. If it were not for you he would be in a lovely home right
now.
What bothered you most about the San Diego man, that he nursed his
17-year-old
cat through CRF? Idiot.
Meanwhile, just as I said, the cat has been in a cage for the better part of
a week.
Four Paws has a nice play room, but the cats are left in cages most of the
time.
Your efforts to conceal that nauseate me.
We will see if you can salvage your reputation as a decent person. I doubt
it
We had a home--and a local home for Conan, with a lovely person I spoke with
for over an hour, that you did not speak with at all. You are responsible
for his
being caged for another solid week. That is the simple truth.
Charlie Wilkes - 04 Jul 2005 18:26 GMT
> You/others find things amusing and/or
>acceptable that we don't in terms of animal welfare. The three of us have
>the same principles in regards to adopting out and we made/make decisions as
>a group.
What are these principles? You keep mentioning your high standards
without saying what they are. How is anyone supposed to help you find
the right home for Conan if you won't say what your criteria are???
>For Pete's sake Mary, "running rampant"....do you hear how ridiculous this
>sounds? The configuration of the space along with several other factors were
>at issue. But as you have the entire correspondence, you know that already,
>so who is being disingenuous?.
The configuration of the space, is it?
Hey Mary! Tell your friend to reconfigure his space and he might have
a shot at Conan.
Charlie
Mary - 05 Jul 2005 00:39 GMT
> > You/others find things amusing and/or
> >acceptable that we don't in terms of animal welfare. The three of us have
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> Hey Mary! Tell your friend to reconfigure his space and he might have
> a shot at Conan.
I think he already has another cat.