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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Conan Update (A Happy & Healthy Kitty!)
Hello all, First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is in very nice feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. He is with people who are very caring and knowledgeable cat-lovers. He was switched to a premium canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . To those who have voiced encouragement and who trusted that we would do the right thing regarding Conan, thank you. Your support is very much appreciated. To the armchair critics, we can only assume that you are not too familiar with the logistics of rescue and placement, otherwise your wild speculations, anger, and impatience are impossible to understand. Finding a good temporary home, creating and distributing posters, making numerous contacts, etc. takes time and we've only been at this for six days. It is astonishing that many of you who were appalled about the OC shelter's "first-come, first-served" policy and lack of criteria are now criticizing *our* focus, which is the opposite of shelter policy and is based entirely on finding the best possible permanent home for Conan. A merely "good enough" home is not good enough for us. Some of you disagree. So be it. He is now safe and happy and we feel that it is our responsibility to do everything possible to find the right match for him. The posted misinterpretations and distorted versions of our reasons for deciding against specific placements were astounding. The person who replied to Mary's post about Conan was extremely gracious and acknowledged himself that his place might not be the best choice for Conan's needs for a variety of reasons. This information was conveniently omitted from the posts. I did not reject Stacey's friend's home with fruit trees as too small. What nonsense. Stacey's friend is still grieving the loss of her cat and is simply not yet ready to adopt. Meghan's posted interpretation of my several e-mails attempting to explain our concerns differs markedly from what I wrote. As you can see, Conan is alive and well. He was not euthanized, he is not in Philip's home, he is not languishing in a vet's cage, and he was not adopted and then returned to us. Where do you people get this stuff from? There was no "gloating" in my post after Conan's rescue. Believe me, I would have much preferred to do what needed to be done in the background and not post at all. However, because this had become so publicized, not posting would have resulted in the speculation that Conan was euthanized as soon as his adoption info was deleted by the shelter. That would not have been fair. I really cringe at some of the things posted. We would have hoped that what truly mattered was the fact that Conan was no longer at risk of being killed. Oh, well. We do not wish to engage in back and forth discussions and will update as needed. We will continue to do everything to find him a wonderful permanent home and hope that the vitriol will dissipate. M. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really > is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . That is wonderful to see. > To those who have voiced encouragement and who trusted that we would do the > right thing regarding Conan, thank you. Your support is very much [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > good temporary home, creating and distributing posters, making numerous > contacts, etc. takes time and we've only been at this for six days. Translation: Conan was indeed in the kennel for six days. Thanks for admitting to it. It is > astonishing that many of you who were appalled about the OC shelter's > "first-come, first-served" policy and lack of criteria are now criticizing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > misinterpretations and distorted versions of our reasons for deciding > against specific placements were astounding. My only concern was that he has been in a cage in a kennel since Tuesday. Are you saying that he has not been? > The person who replied to Mary's post about Conan was extremely gracious and > acknowledged himself that his place might not be the best choice for Conan's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my several e-mails attempting to explain our concerns differs markedly from > what I wrote. As you can see, Conan is alive and well. He was not > euthanized, he is not in Philip's home, he is not languishing in a vet's > cage, and he was not adopted and then returned to us. Where do you people > get this stuff from? What do you expect when you tell us nothing over six day's time? There was no "gloating" in my post after Conan's > rescue. Believe me, I would have much preferred to do what needed to be done > in the background and not post at all. You exposed Dan, Monica. Explain that. Or didn't you know what he had told us privately? There was no reason for you to expose Dan, except to gloat. > I really cringe at some of the things posted. I really cringe at the thought of this cat in that gd kennel for six full days. We would have hoped that what > truly mattered was the fact that Conan was no longer at risk of being > killed. Oh, well. We do not wish to engage in back and forth discussions and > will update as needed. We will continue to do everything to find him a > wonderful permanent home and hope that the vitriol will dissipate. You left him in that $10 per night kennel for six long days, exactly as I thought. Thanks for finally getting him out of there. It is very generous of you to let us know that he is finally out of the kennel. >> Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> he did on Tuesday. He really is a happy, playful love bug. Here he >> is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . snip >> He was not >> euthanized, he is not in Philip's home, he is not languishing in a >> vet's cage, and he was not adopted and then returned to us. Where do >> you people get this stuff from? > > What do you expect when you tell us nothing over six day's time? MARY ... you need a stream of external drama otherwise you manufacture drama on your own to fill in the gaps. You are a crazy woman, Mary. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really > is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . I took another look at the photos. He is not in a private home. You are now boarding him in a place that has a play room. That is a step up from a cage. Thanks for looking after him so well. >> Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are now boarding him in a place that has a play room. That is a step > up from a cage. Thanks for looking after him so well. When our kids were young, we had a "play room" for them aside from their bedrooms. Mary, what sort of a economy flat do you live in that does not have a "play room"? > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > M. Thanks for posting the photos and update. It's great to see new pictures of Conan and to see him looking so content. MaryL > > Hello all, > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > MaryL :) > > > Hello all, > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > MaryL Now can we see a few with normal house furniture such as a TV, couch, bed (human bed, not a four legged cat table), kitchen... anything that's not so sterile and maybe another room or two... not that we want to invade these "foster parents" privacy, just some generic cat (the cat being Conan preferably) on bed photos if you get my drift, which I'm sure you do. Maybe even a litter box that's tucked in a corner rather than under a steel slate that catches droppings... >First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is in very nice >feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. He is with people who are >very caring and knowledgeable cat-lovers. He was switched to a premium >canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really >is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . Thank you for the photos. >cat and is simply not yet ready to adopt. Meghan's posted interpretation of >my several e-mails attempting to explain our concerns differs markedly from >what I wrote. Would you like me to post the whole email? I have no problem with that. It's against nettiquette to do so without permision, so I did not. I am sure that people can read it and make their own decision. As it is, you have not said what you thought I got wrong. Maybe that is just your style, but it sure seemed to be a rejection with no chance of appeal.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is in very nice > >feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. He is with people who are [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > is just your style, but it sure seemed to be a rejection with no > chance of appeal. I imagine the San Diego gentleman might give me permission to post his emails if I omit his name. I think at this point being open is the best thing. There has been so much dishonesty. > it sure seemed to be a rejection with no > chance of appeal. Bingo! But Meghan, we all know Conan is the last cat on the face of the earth. How did your sis expect to get the last cat? lol >A merely "good >enough" home is not good enough for us. Nothing's good enough for you, Sugar Beets, because you are such a class act. But I thought this was about a cat. > Meghan's posted interpretation of >my several e-mails attempting to explain our concerns differs markedly from >what I wrote. Nice try, but she quoted your words directly. I read it. >Believe me, I would have much preferred to do what needed to be done >in the background and not post at all. That's because you are such a wonderful, virtuous, high-minded person. Not to be confused with an egotistical little wretch on two-bit power trip over a fucken stray cat. Charlie > >A merely "good > >enough" home is not good enough for us. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Not to be confused with an egotistical little wretch on two-bit power > trip over a fucken stray cat. And, no matter how tight the focus of those photos, one of us is a forensic anthropologist, and this person found the place where Conan is being boarded via online photos--the same place Dan mentioned that is near his home. $12 a night. At least these jerkoffs are out $80 bucks. So, Charlie, I was right. Plbbbbbt. We now know that this a.shole has turned down two perfectly nice homes with loving people, one of them local--and is responsible, along with Dan, for Conan being in a cage for another week. Bet you $5 it turns into two or three weeks. >> >A merely "good >> >enough" home is not good enough for us. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >that is near his home. $12 a night. At least these jerkoffs are out $80 >bucks. Only if you assume they are spending their own money, which is not an assumption I would make after hearing how Dan enticed you to chip in for his cat's vet bill. Money seems to be mighty tight with these do-gooders. >So, Charlie, I was right. Plbbbbbt. We now know that this a.shole has turned >down two perfectly nice homes with loving people, one of them local--and is >responsible, along with Dan, for Conan being in a cage for another week. >Bet you $5 it turns into two or three weeks. I'm not taking or making any bets. Your powers of deduction are proving better than my own. But, for the record, she has turned down four homes -- myself, Meghan's sister, the guy in San Diego, and the lady in San Francisco. So, who actually picked up the cat? Do you still think it was Dan? Charlie [snip] > But, for the record, she has turned down four homes -- myself, > Meghan's sister, the guy in San Diego, and the lady in San Francisco. [snip] I don't want to get involved in this whole mess, but Monica did not turn down my friend in San Francisco. My friend turned down Conan after realizing she was not ready for a new cat after her 17 year old main coon mixed died two months ago. She had him from the day he was born and it hit her pretty hard. Stacey > >> >A merely "good > >> >enough" home is not good enough for us. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I'm not taking or making any bets. Your powers of deduction are > proving better than my own. I am, by trade, a kind of intuitive idiot savant. :) > But, for the record, she has turned down four homes -- myself, > Meghan's sister, the guy in San Diego, and the lady in San Francisco. > > So, who actually picked up the cat? Do you still think it was Dan? Yes, of course he did. Hi Charlie, Thank you for offering to adopt Conan. It was kind of you. I voiced a few concerns but it was nothing personal . I wish you and your furkids well:) Alison >Hi Charlie, > Thank you for offering to adopt Conan. It was kind of you. I voiced a >few concerns but it was nothing personal . I wish you and your furkids >well:) > Alison Why thank you Alison. Your comments remind me of an experience I had once. I spent a number of years as a traveling business consultant, working in offices around the U.S. Once I was at a corporate service center, and I saw an upside-down wastebasket. "Why is that wastebasket upside-down?" I asked. "There is a mouse on a glue trap underneath, and we don't want to watch it squirm," said one of the girls. "We called maintenance about an hour ago." Well, I got one of those manilla envelopes out of the supply cupboard, put the mouse and trap inside, and squashed it with my shoe. SPLUSH. After that, the girls in the production center called me "the psycho," jokingly and in good fun, of course. I could have had my feelings hurt... but, in fairness, I egged them on, because every time I went down there I would ask if they had any more helpless animals I could kill. Here on Usenet, I don't know how many times I have told, with great relish, of the time I pumped a bullet into the skull of a cat out on the island. I have trotted this saga out several times. So, I am not unaware of my own role in the controversy over my bid to adopt Conan. But that does not excuse the behavior of Monica and her sneaky, self-righteous coterie of cat saviours. My practice on Usenet is to attack those who I believe are intellectually dishonest. It's easier to do that if I don't present myself as an icon of virtue, because then I don't have to waste a lot of time defending an image that would be as phony as all the other phonies around here. Charlie > But that does not excuse the behavior of Monica and her sneaky, > self-righteous coterie of cat saviours. My practice on Usenet is to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Charlie Kind of goes along with the idea that a fall from a self appointed pedestal can be heard for miles with a very loud thud.... I just hope there is no cat underneath when it happens. > Hi Charlie, > Thank you for offering to adopt Conan. It was kind of you. I voiced a > few concerns but it was nothing personal . I wish you and your furkids > well:) > Alison can it sister, you was throwin wood on the fire too! Now you come crawling back. THIS GOES TO PROVE, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHARLIE. See what I mean yo! >We will continue to do everything to find him a > wonderful permanent home and hope that the vitriol will dissipate. Glad to see him looking so well. He obviously is the sort of cat who adapts well to change. Some cats would be majorly freaked at this point being passed around so much. I hope you can find him an acceptable home very soon. It is a relief to see the photos and I'm sure many people appreciate the update. Candace > First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is > in very nice feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. > He is with people who are very caring and knowledgeable > cat-lovers. He was switched to a premium canned diet and already > looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really is a happy, > playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . He looks great! Thanks for all you're doing, guys. Still pulling for Conan from MD. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is > > in very nice feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > He looks great! Thanks for all you're doing, guys. Still pulling for > Conan from MD. Meanwhile, I was right. He has been in a f.cking cage in a kennel for over a week while this ignorant bitch turned down at least two good homes for him. > > > First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is > > > in very nice feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for over a week while this ignorant bitch turned down at least two > good homes for him. And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. I didn't see a kennel. I saw a nice, contented cat playing on the same damn floor we have in our basement. I guess that must mean my family is all living in a cage in a kennel, huh? You have got to do something with this grandiose personality. Monica was right, this is all about competition with you. There are actual photos of a happy kitty and STILL you claim that he's being mistreated. That's a very distinct psychiatric diagnosis. You might have heard of it: PARANOIA. > And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. You didn't hear Monica deny it either did you. > > And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. > > You didn't hear Monica deny it either did you. I can't see the wind but I know its there. The question is, how do you know he isn't at a kennel? > > > And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. > > > > You didn't hear Monica deny it either did you. > > I can't see the wind but I know its there. The question is, how do you know > he isn't at a kennel? That's the whole point Trish. I don't, you don't, Mary doesn't, and yet she keeps making these incredibly grandiose statements that she swears are the gospel truth. But they're not. They're figments of her paranoid imagination, and jumping on her bandwagon without even considering that she's a bit 'off'' is suspicious to me. For example, she sees the photos of Conan, and then decides that the car window he's sitting in front of is the SAME window as Dan's van. Um... unless I've been asleep for the last 70ish years, car windows look pretty much the same. I didn't see any similarity from one photo to the other, but Mary takes this as absolute concrete proof that her accusations are correct. What I'm saying is that we don't know more than Monica et al are willing to tell us, and since that doesn't seem to be a lot, making up wicked scenarios to feed your paranoid ego isn't helping the situation. It is just making Mary look positively nuts. Scarily so. I'm sorry Mary didn't get her way, but just like my teenage daughter, sulking and striking out isn't the way to make friends and influence people. If Mary wants to know more, attacking and accusing sure isn't the way she's going to get any information. Why should anyone trust her when she's behaving so oddly? I know I wouldn't. > > > > And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > keeps making these incredibly grandiose statements that she swears are the > gospel truth. I know who took him and which kennel he is boarded at, you thick-headed piece of a.s cheese. :O) Damn, that was nearly as good as Jonathan's Mom Lyn's "half-rotted dildo!" > That's the whole point Trish. I don't, you don't, Mary doesn't, and yet she > keeps making these incredibly grandiose statements that she swears are the > gospel truth. But they're not. They're figments of her paranoid imagination, > and jumping on her bandwagon without even considering that she's a bit > 'off'' is suspicious to me. Sorry, but I'm agreeing with Mary on this one and that's my perogative... I believe Conan is in a kennel, a boarding kennel, not a shelter... you know it's ok to agree with a person without it being a conspiracy... > For example, she sees the photos of Conan, and then decides that the car > window he's sitting in front of is the SAME window as Dan's van. Um... > unless I've been asleep for the last 70ish years, car windows look pretty > much the same. I didn't see any similarity from one photo to the other, but > Mary takes this as absolute concrete proof that her accusations are correct. Actually there are similarities... here are the one's I see, 1. the window Conan is looking through is too high to be a car, it's too far off the ground from the flower bed it's near, therefore I would guess it to be a truck or van 2. the panel has the same design on the interior, plastic on top towards the window and a cloth or other material below to complete the panel, a slight difference in colour shading but I'm assuming this is due to the time of day both pictures were taken or the sun location... and yes I am assuming here 3. what's the likelihood of two people who have never met driving the same type of vehicle on the interior on a rescue mission for the same cat.. not very likely, therefore I conclude it's the same vehicle. > I'm sorry Mary didn't get her way, but just like my teenage daughter, > sulking and striking out isn't the way to make friends and influence people. Nah, seems lying to a group of people who put their faith in you (you being a collective term here) and then completely ignoring any requests for information from those who did actually put time into trying to arrange something, brings out fans from the woodwork. There were several on this group who went out of their way to make travel plans for Conan, arrange flights, arrange possible time off to fly with him if needed... these people deserve better, they didn't do it for their egos, they did it becuase they knew they could help, and trusted their help would be accepted, sadly this trust was abused. So yes, Mary is striking out, but I don't believe its entirely personal, I believe she is angry and frustrated that so many were willing to help and put actual effort into it, not just words, but were told by the actions of two people that their help was not good enough. That those trying to arrange the rescue were bumblef*cks and these two people could do better! So Mary and any one else involved has every right to to express their anger and think whatever they want and voice it as well, god knows when I try hard to make something work, the first thing on my mind is "I just hope someone comes and gives me a good solid kick in the teeth for all my efforts then shuts the door in my face" And honestly, I doubt Mary cares about making friends, and that is her perogative. and I know eventually myself and Mary will butt heads on some issue at some point (I can be as obstinate as she is), but right now for the record I'm supporting her notion that Conan is not in a foster home, he's in a kennel... By the way just to raise some more sh*t because I feel like it and your driveby posts irk me, how safe is it to drive a vehicle with a cat in your arms anyway, that's what cat carriers are for, transporting an animal safely! Now if this was Charlie driving with his cat in his arms, there be hell raised from here to the end of eternity. Didn't we just go through a series of posts about animals being secured in vehicles after Cheryl witnessed a dog jumping out the window on an interstate... >Actually there are similarities... here are the one's I see, >1. the window Conan is looking through is too high to be a car, it's too far >off the ground from the flower bed it's near, therefore I would guess it to >be a truck or van The picture was taken with a semi wide angle lens which most point and shoot cameras come with. An optical characteristic of that type of lens is that objects in the background seem further away than they really are. The focal length in this picture is not as obvious since it was cropped but it does have some depth of field. It is most likely a typical passenger vehicle and not high off the ground. -mhd > By the way just to raise some more sh*t because I feel like it > and your driveby posts irk me, how safe is it to drive a vehicle [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > posts about animals being secured in vehicles after Cheryl > witnessed a dog jumping out the window on an interstate... <http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_350132.html> Thought up by an 11 year old boy, no less. :) SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > > > And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > going to get any information. Why should anyone trust her when she's > behaving so oddly? I know I wouldn't. Marjorie. You are stupid. Just really, densely stupid. I know that what I am saying is true, Dan knows that what I am saying is true, Monica knows that what I am saying is true, and the staff at Four Paws Kennel where Conan has been kept in a cage for over a week know that what I am saying is true. As for Dan's vehicle, there are more photos. Many more. Now I know you're having a good time, but you're just really, really stupid. You'll see, though I doubt it will be the first time someone has demonstrated this. I don't have any more time for you, old girl. Good luck with everything. I mean that, too. >>>> And again, you know this HOW? I didn't see any cage. >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the way she's going to get any information. Why should anyone trust > her when she's behaving so oddly? I know I wouldn't. I've been saying that very thing about Mary for a couple of weeks. O.D.D. A new psychobabble acronym that stands for; Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Sure sounds like Mary! > > > > First off, I am really happy to be able to report that Conan is > > > > in very nice feline-friendly, although temporary, surroundings. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > And again, you know this HOW? Because I know the name of the kennel he is being kept at. Please try to keep up, you f.cking half-wit. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > really > is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . ... We will continue to do everything to find him a > wonderful permanent home and hope that the vitriol will dissipate. > > M. Thank you for the update. It's good to know what is actually going on and not rely on speculation. Conan looks like he is doing just fine in the photos. I'm sure that his next home will be his onetruehome and he will be a delight to his new slaves. I hope you will continue to update from time to time. Annie > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really > is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . Thanks for the update, Monica, and the pictures. Please let us know when Conan is permanently placed. I'd imagine such a beautiful boy should find a forever home very soon :) Lauren Thank you for keeping us informed:) SignatureAlison .1862754$Xk.958793@pd7tw3no... > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > M. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > canned diet and already looks a lot better than he did on Tuesday. He really > is a happy, playful love bug. Here he is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . Thanks for the update & pics. :-) >From reading your posts over the last several years, I have the definite feeling that when you place him, you'll feel confident it's a rock solid good one. Cathy > To those who have voiced encouragement and who trusted that we would do the > right thing regarding Conan, thank you. Your support is very much [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > M. > Thanks for the update & pics. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cathy Oh stop fussin over a few crumbs, she left everyone hanging for a week now Not to mention the cat is in a cage till someone meets Sugar Foot's standards. Please don't encourage, or tolerate this sort of behavior Thanks for the update, Monica. I am glad he is not in danger of being euthanized, and hope all of you keep an open mind in finding him a good home. As you know, competition for good cat homes is fierce. Rhonda > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > he did on Tuesday. He really is a happy, playful love bug. Here he > is: www.picturetrail.com/cmtowle . I for ONE am very pleased ... not by your efforts rather ... by your achievement. > To those who have voiced encouragement and who trusted that we would > do the right thing regarding Conan, thank you. Your support is very > much appreciated. You ladies did the right thing in the right way and without fanfare. God Bless. > To the armchair critics, we can only assume that you > are not too familiar with the logistics of rescue and placement, [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > M. Monica ... the preceding three paragraphs is just a sample of the evil spirited bile that Mary and a couple of others are capable. As you said, "The posted misinterpretations and distorted versions of our reasons for deciding against specific placements were astounding." And don't think your post(s) today July4 will calm the drama queens here. Matter of fact, I venture to say that soon there should be no further updating of Conan's welfare. To continue with updates will only fan Mary's flames against you. You and your friends have accomplished the most important thing (adopting Conan) and have my trust that you are doing as you say. Your word is sufficient for me. Thank you. > You ladies did the right thing in the right way and without fanfare. God > Bless. > You and your friends have accomplished the most important thing (adopting > Conan) and have my trust that you are doing as you say. Your word is > sufficient for me. Thank you. Wow, I agree with Phillip! What's this world coming to? Thank you Monica for everything you are doing. Signature-Kelly >> You ladies did the right thing in the right way and without fanfare. God >> Bless. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Wow, I agree with Phillip! What's this world coming to? >Thank you Monica for everything you are doing. Thank you Monica for taking control of a cat you don't want yourself and impounding him in a kennel so the people who do want him can't have him. That is what Monica is doing. Intellectual honesty is all I ask. Charlie > >> You ladies did the right thing in the right way and without fanfare. God > >> Bless. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charlie Charlie, you are a weird dude, but you speak de troof. :) >> Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >Conan) and have my trust that you are doing as you say. Your word is >sufficient for me. Thank you. Couldn't get much more insincere than that, LOL! > I for ONE am very pleased ... not by your efforts rather ... by your > achievement. Philip, I could feel my way into a shelter, have somone hand me Conan, and feel my way out! A blind man could "Rescue" Conan. Now I know you don't have any problems with Charlie having Conan. Just FYI, I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact info. It took about five minutes and perhaps it will bear some fruit. I hope so. -T >I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact >info. I couldn't find him. However, for those that wanted to adopt Conan, and were turned down, take a look at Elton! http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4649189&adTarget=&SessionID=42c993 ef6423cfa5-app1&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat= or http://tinyurl.com/9p59s I have no idea where Agoura, CA is though. L. > However, for those that wanted to adopt Conan, and were turned down, > take a look at Elton! http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4649189&adTarget=&SessionID=42c993 ef6423cfa5-app1&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat= Shriekkkkkkkkk!!!!!!! OMG! Free Elton!! :) > >I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact > >info. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > However, for those that wanted to adopt Conan, and were turned down, > take a look at Elton! http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4649189&adTarget=&SessionID=42 c993ef6423cfa5-app1&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat= > or > > http://tinyurl.com/9p59s > > I have no idea where Agoura, CA is though. Agoura is right outside of LA county at the very very very end of the San Fernando Valley. You leave the valley, go over the hills, and voila...Agoura. > L. > > >I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact > > >info. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > However, for those that wanted to adopt Conan, and were turned down, > > take a look at Elton! http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4649189&adTarget=&SessionID=42 > c993ef6423cfa5-app1&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat= > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Fernando Valley. You leave the valley, go over the hills, and > voila...Agoura. Not bad for someone who lives with her head firmly lodged up her flabby a.s. Way to go, Marjorie! >> I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact >> info. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > L. Agoura Hills is 30 miles due west of downtown Los Angeles. Cute little feller! :^) > Just FYI, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -T Well, then you need to just go to petfinder and take that ad off, or change the contact info. You have no right to violate Dan's privacy based on nothing but speculation and paranoia! There has been no proof that Dan is involved in this. I'm totally ashamed of some of you. It's one thing to conjur up the stories here, but to take it outside of here to petfinder? That's just WRONG. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields Erm..... It's speculation and paranoia that the cat is available for adoption and needs a home, preferably in the Southern California area? Animals available for adoption by private parties are listed on Petfinder. This is Conan's situation, no? I have no idea whether Dan is involved or not, but I'm sure he can forward any inquiries to Monica. I don't have Monica's telephone number, so I can't provide her as a contact for information on the cat. I can't provide my telephone number because I don't have any information on the cat. Are we trying to get the cat adopted or are we keeping him as a prize? I'm sure if you asked Conan, he'd really like to live in a home as soon as possible. If Monica wishes me to put her telephone number on Petfinder instead, she can e-mail me and let me know that herself. -T > Erm..... It's speculation and paranoia that the cat is available for > adoption and needs a home, preferably in the Southern California area? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > as possible. If Monica wishes me to put her telephone number on > Petfinder instead, she can e-mail me and let me know that herself. God Bless you, Tracy. You just don't get it, do you? It is no longer about the cat. It's about Monica's power trip. She and Dan are about as smarmy as they come. ANYONE who would turn down the wonderful guy in San Diego and let that cat that has been through so much sit in a mfing kennel in a gd CAGE for an additional week is smarmy to the point of rotten. We did what we could. > Erm..... It's speculation and paranoia that the cat is available for > adoption and needs a home, preferably in the Southern California area? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -T YOU are not in a position with any power. What can you do that Monica and her team cannot? You don't have possession of Conan so it must be a feeeeeeeeeeeeeel good thing that you would attempt getting a home for a cat that you don't own. OR ... might your efforts to post pictures on Petfinder as a way of sabotaging Monica's efforts if she tried to use Petfinder also. Hmmmm. >> Just FYI, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >some of you. It's one thing to conjur up the stories here, but to >take it outside of here to petfinder? That's just WRONG. What are the rules here, Cheryl? And who decides what the rules are? Charlie >>Well, then you need to just go to petfinder and take that ad >>off, or change the contact info. You have no right to violate [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie Simple common sense, which seems to be in short supply here. Posting someones contact information without their approval or permission is wrong. You disagree? Why am I not surprised. I made a promise to myself that I wasn't posting on any more Conan threads, but when this came up I couldn't ignore it. There won't be another peep from me on the subject. Seriously. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>>Well, then you need to just go to petfinder and take that ad >>>off, or change the contact info. You have no right to violate [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Simple common sense, which seems to be in short supply here. It sure does. Are you chipping in money to help pay the costs of keeping this goddamn cat boarded while Monica et al. figure out what to do with him? I'll bet you are. They got you suckered all the way. The only exceptional thing about this cat is that he became the subject of a lot of discussion. Other than that, he is an ordinary housecat. He could be sitting in someone's lap in San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle or Whatcom County by now instead of soaking up money. That, dear Cheryl, is common sense. Charlie > The only exceptional thing about this cat is that he became the > subject of a lot of discussion. Other than that, he is an ordinary [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Charlie Monica did not turn down my friend in San Francisco. My friend turned down Conan after realizing she was not ready for a new cat after her 17 year old main coon mixed died two months ago. She had him from the day he was born and it hit her pretty hard. Stacey >> The only exceptional thing about this cat is that he became the >> subject of a lot of discussion. Other than that, he is an ordinary [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Stacey Thank you for correcting me. Charlie This is getting insane, if you ask me. Is anybody *actually* interested in adopting out this cat? Dan himself posted the below in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes saying that he was looking for a home for Conan and for people to get in touch with him. The petfinder ad won't be up until tomorrow and can easily be removed, but you can't place a request for a private adoption listing unless you are willing to provide a contact telephone number. If there's a different contact telephone number, then provide it and it'll get changed. Somebody has to be willing to talk to people who may want to adopt Conan. I'm not pissed. I'm worried about the cat. If you don't get the word out, then it can take a pretty long time to adopt an adult cat in kitten season and if it's costing somebody $10/day to board him - this can't go on forever. Four potential homes falling through/rejected is a lot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan M Jun 30, 3:06 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes From: Dan M <d...@wolf.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:06:10 -0700 Local: Thurs,Jun 30 2005 3:06 pm Subject: Looking for home for 2 yr old neutered mail kitty, southern CA (not one of mine!) Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Actually, I'm looking for homes for two kitties in southern CA. The first is a 2 year old neutered male, and is a snuggle-monster. The second is a 4 to 8 week old male. If you know of anyone, please let me know. Dan >This is getting insane, if you ask me. Is anybody *actually* interested >in adopting out this cat? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >can't go on forever. Four potential homes falling through/rejected is a >lot. I guess I'm projecting, Tracy. This feeds into my biggest shortcoming -- I am the world's sorest loser. I just never get over anything. But Usenet is a good place to carry a grudge, right? I think so, because I see them go on for years and years and years. I sure won't be dropping this one anytime soon ;) Anyway, Monica explained her lofty philosophy: >>>> "A merely 'good enough' home is not good enough for us." Obviously, the applicants so far ain't "good enough" for Monica or her friends. Not that Monica et al. are telling anyone what ~would~ be good enough. Why should they tell us anything? They got the cat and we can't have it, nyah-nah-nah-nah-nah. Charlie >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dan M Jun 30, 3:06 pm show options [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Dan > I guess I'm projecting, Tracy. This feeds into my biggest shortcoming > -- I am the world's sorest loser. I just never get over anything. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Charlie Back to what I was saying before the cookout here, I got to thinking about what I read. If you put Monica's and Dan's writings side by side! What a bullshit attempt to tell a lie, and I don't mind f.cking saying it! >From top to bottom - It's like they wrote the sh.t on the same f.cking computer. Monica explains her "early arrival" <cough cough> (like it even needed an explanation) Dan gets stuck by no less than 3 car accidents <cough cough> hahahah wooo hahaha, this sh.t is not even original Bullshit! Yeah, I'm callin their bluff, I say b u u u l l l l - sh.t! I bet they got there at the same damn time. --- The problem is two-fold One: The folk that would believe a lie, they only buy into it, because their personal feelings are clouding sound judgement (They may not like Mary, so just say...something like "It's all about the competition ain't it Mary). I doubt Mary was being competitive when she nailed this sh.t down with "Conan is in a kennel", What marker, or "one-up" does that revelation give her? f.ck these clowns man. Secondly: THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS a.s! I wish I was wrong. But I know they don't. > >>Well, then you need to just go to petfinder and take that ad > >>off, or change the contact info. You have no right to violate [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > threads, but when this came up I couldn't ignore it. There won't be > another peep from me on the subject. Seriously. Nobody cares if you peep or not, sunshine. > >> Just FYI, > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What are the rules here, Cheryl? And who decides what the rules are? Cheryl decides! No, no, wait----LYNNIE decides. No, no, that can't be right ...... MONICA DECIDES. That's it, that has to be it. No, no, on second thought--DAN decides. All I can say is, I am really happy that I am not the one who decides, and I cannot wait to receive my monthly statement and see it my $200 is back in the bank. :) >>> Just FYI, >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charlie The Golden Rule. He/She who has the gold makes the rules. Conan is the "gold." >> Just FYI, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > some of you. It's one thing to conjur up the stories here, but to > take it outside of here to petfinder? That's just WRONG. Cheryl ... too many here are governed by what feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels good to them. When it feeeeeeeeeels good, it must be morally right. > I placed a classified ad on Petfinder for Conan with Dan's contact > info. ...> -T I hope you got Dan's permission before doing this. Annie It hasn't been posted yet. Petfinder reviews all the ads before they go up. And nope, I didn't, although I'm happy enough to change the contact info upon request. You just have to ask. But since all the existing home possibilities seem to have been exhausted, and reference has been made to flyers going up and so on, I'm a little unclear why this would be a problem. Surely some contact info is provided on a flyer? Wouldn't it have to be? The Petfinder ad can be modified to match the flyers. Just let me know what it needs to say .... -T > Just FYI, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -T This is very disturbing. You have provided personal contact information without permission, and that is a clear violation of privacy. We don't even have any confirmation that Dan is involved in Conan's adoption - that is based solely on speculation within the newsgroup. It is commendable that you wanted to help Conan, but it is intolerable (and possibly illegal) for you to post personal information for someone else who has not given permission. It is clear from Monica's messages that flyers have already been distributed. She could post an ad on Petfinder herself, if that is her desire, but you do not have the right to make this decision yourself (and then simply "assume" that Dan will forward inquiries to Monica). If you thought Petfinder was appropriate, you could have relayed this information to Monica by email and then waited for her decision. Quite frankly, I would be furious if someone did this to me. Other people do not have the right to decide when and where to post my personal information. MaryL > Quite frankly, I would >be furious if someone did this to me. Other people do not have the right to >decide when and where to post my personal information. Tracy is pissed because she too thinks Dan fed her a line of sh.t with regard to his plans and subsequent actions. It burns when someone you trust does that. The way to avoid the repurcussions is to play straight with people and don't lay a f.cked-up ego trip on them. Charlie > > Quite frankly, I would > >be furious if someone did this to me. Other people do not have the right to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > trust does that. The way to avoid the repurcussions is to play > straight with people and don't lay a f.cked-up ego trip on them. This would be true. I am so glad I did the money publicly and that we did the emails publically so that you all read them. I thought I was damned nice to Dan even after I knew what he did. And, the two emails I have sent him privately were also cordial. He doesn't have to explain. It is all very clear. > > Just FYI, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have any confirmation that Dan is involved in Conan's adoption - that is > based solely on speculation within the newsgroup. No it isn't. I have proof. > Just FYI, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -T How do you go about finding a new home for a cat that you do not have possession? I mention that the cat is available in places where people go to look for cats and suggest they get in touch with the people who are overseeing the adoption. Duh. It takes about 5 minutes. Which is about as much time as I'm willing to devote to this - as I have 5 cats just arrived from the municipal shelter to integrate into the no-kill and find homes for .... >> I for ONE am very pleased ... not by your efforts rather ... by your >> achievement. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now I know you don't have any problems with Charlie having Conan. That would be theft of County property, punishable by fines and imprisonment. Did you have a point? Thank you so much Monica, for posting the photos of Conan, looking completely happy in his imaginary cage. You alleviated all of my worries with the photos, and you certainly refuted Mary's bizarre claims of being kenneled in a cage. He sure looks great! I know that rescue work takes dedication and time. I have faith that you will find Conan a wonderful permanent home, one that will suit his rambunctious personality to a "t". Marjorie |
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