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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005No San Diego Home for Conan
The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. From Monica's emails it is clear that she has nothing to go on with regard to Conan's behavior except Philip's posts from when he first adopted Conan. So ... this poor boy is still in a cage, in the kennel Dan found. Congrats, Charlie. It seems you are right, to my great disappointment. >The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Congrats, Charlie. It seems you are right, to my great >disappointment. Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? Is this what she considers a good protocol for helping the world's homeless animals? Screwing up someone else's plan to adopt a cat so she can hold it in a fucken KENNEL waiting for a home that meets her arbitrary standards??? Charlie > >The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Charlie ah, man. I am so sorry. It's just heart breaking. I'll learn one day. >> >The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ah, man. I am so sorry. It's just heart breaking. I'll learn one day. Anybody here ever heard of a "Red Herring"? MLB > >> >The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Anybody here ever heard of a "Red Herring"? MLB Please don't bullshit about something you know nothing about. I expected better of you. > Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and > persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? > Charlie Using this post as an entry point Charlie. I have a very strong feeling that Dan is as much a part as Monica. >> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and >> persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I have a very strong feeling that Dan is as much a part as Monica. If that is the case, he is a verbose and convincing liar. Here is an email Dan sent out Monday evening: ______________________________________________________ "I don't have any problems with the project. Since I'm brand new to r.p.c.h+b, I don't really know anyone here (except those who also frequent r.p.c.a). If at least one of you knows Charlie and feels he's a fit kitty-parent, then that's all I need. I know that none of us who have been involved so far would be involved if they believed Charlie wasn't a fit home for Conan. "So Charlie, I'm in. I WILL be picking up Conan at the shelter and delivering him to an airport. "I have several kitty carriers here. I can't use my biggest one, as that's Harri Roadcat's favorite place to hang out and she needs a familiar place to hang out while she recuperates from her ordeal. I'll dig out my 2nd largest one and be sure that it's "1) big enough to comfortably house Conan on the flight, and "2) small enough to fit under an airline seat. "I will also be picking up a harness and leash for Conan. "This is going to be great - getting such a beautiful kitty transferred to a forever home!" ______________________________________________________ Here is the email he sent out Tuesday afternoon: ______________________________________________________ "Boy, what a day! What is normally a 3 hour drive turned into a 6 hour drive. I *just* got home - without Conan. There's another group working on rehoming Conan, and they got him in their care. I got stuck behind several accidents on the freeway, so got to Orange County quite a bit later than I had planned on. This other group had someone there to get Conan early this morning. I walked through the cattery to see for myself - that was a mistake. It's heartbreaking to see so many beautiful cats that need homes. "If our San Diego guy still wants a beautiful red boy cat, there are a couple more there and they're both very affectionate. My offer still stands - I'll gladly go pick up either one of those guys and deliver him to San Diego." ______________________________________________________ I've pretty much got Monica figured out, but I don't know about this Dan character. Is he really that much of an a.shole, to make up these long-winded fables for an email list when he is in fact serving another party whose objective is to prevent the group on the list from getting the cat? Charlie >>> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible >>> and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > drive. I *just* got home - without Conan. There's another group > working on rehoming Conan, and they got him in their care. I got stuck > behind several accidents on the freeway, so got to Orange County quite > a bit later than I had planned on. This other group had someone there [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charlie PLONK > >> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and > >> persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Charlie I do believe accidents occur, sure! Yeah Sure! haha >> >> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and >> >> persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Yeah Sure! haha This really damages my ability to trust any of the cat rescue people in these groups. I'm fairly new here. Is it common for this kind of sneaky crap to go on? I really thought Dan seemed like an honest person, and it is disappointing to find out he may not be. Mary tells me she donated money to help pay the veterinary bill for Dan's cat. She was on that email list too. Dan didn't know me, but you'd think he'd have the decency to level with someone who helped him out financially. Charlie >>>>> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible >>>>> and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? (snippage) > I really thought Dan seemed like an honest person, and it is > disappointing to find out he may not be. Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His help was enlisted and he tried to help. Not his fault if you folks can't get your sh.t together over there. >>>>>> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible >>>>>> and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >enlisted and he tried to help. Not his fault if you folks can't get your >sh.t together over there. Honest is as honest does, my friend. I'd like to hear from Dan himself on this. Charlie > >>>>>> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible > >>>>>> and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Honest is as honest does, my friend. I'd like to hear from Dan > himself on this. That makes one of us. He's history. > >>>>> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible > >>>>> and persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > enlisted and he tried to help. Not his fault if you folks can't get your > sh.t together over there. You are really wrong. Really, really wrong. Exceptionally wrong. We trusted Dan and he betrayed our trust. Dan is the reason this cat has been in a cage for over a week instead of in any one of three or more perfectly nice homes. Dan, more than Monica, is at fault here because he has physical custody of the cat. I gave to Dan's vet fund the same as many of you. I trusted Dan, too. Dan is a liar and a smarmy cat-abusing piece of sh.t. >> Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop >> cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His help was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Dan, too. Dan is a liar and a smarmy cat-abusing piece of >sh.t. It's very sad to see someone undermine people's trust this way. Charlie >>> Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop >>> cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Charlie (snipped cross-posting) I don't know what went on in h+b so I can't speak to that. I can only say when I needed help last year Dan was more than willing to give it to me and I'm on the other side of the country. I followed his going (out of his way) to pick up Harri(et) Roadcat from start to date and I'd stake my life on his being a man who loves and cares for cats. That's all I have to say about that. Jill > >>> Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop > >>> cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > being a man who loves and cares for cats. That's all I have to say about > that. I would have too. I have read his stories for years. >>>> Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop >>>> cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Jill What happened is he jerked a group of people around on an email list -- made up a story about driving to a shelter, stuck in traffic, cat wasn't there when he arrived. It seems the cat was there and he didn't want us to know he'd gotten it because he had a deal going with someone else. All of which could have been avoided by not dealing with us in the first place, or by being honest about his misgivings instead of f.cking with our heads. I'm posting to your group because it is the one he follows. I keep hoping the guy will speak up for himself. Maybe things aint the way they look. If they are the way they look, Dan really managed to hook himself in with some a.sholes. Charlie >>>> Dan is an honest person, as honest as you can get. So please stop >>>> cross-posting this crap to rpca where we know and love him. His [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Jill What happened is he jerked a group of people around on an email list -- made up a story about driving to a shelter, stuck in traffic, cat wasn't there when he arrived. It seems the cat was there and he didn't want us to know he'd gotten it because he had a deal going with someone else. All of which could have been avoided by not dealing with us in the first place, or by being honest about his misgivings instead of f.cking with our heads. I'm posting to your group because it is the one he follows. I keep hoping the guy will speak up for himself. Maybe things aint the way they look. If they are the way they look, Dan really managed to hook himself in with some a.sholes. Charlie > You are really wrong. Really, really wrong. Exceptionally wrong. > We trusted Dan and he betrayed our trust. Dan is the reason this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Dan, too. Dan is a liar and a smarmy cat-abusing piece of > sh.t. HERE ya go folks. "No good deed goes unpunished" >> You are really wrong. Really, really wrong. Exceptionally wrong. >> We trusted Dan and he betrayed our trust. Dan is the reason this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >HERE ya go folks. "No good deed goes unpunished" You got it, man. I volunteer to take an unwanted cat, and suddenly the cat is more precious than gold and I am accused of being a drug dealer who starves his pets. Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. But the gratuitously dishonest process through which I was engaged in dialogue by someone who was in fact working against my interests is not something I will forget, or let others forget. IN FACT -- if I ever get my hands on a big stash of money, I will endow a goddamn trust to keep this issue alive on Usenet after I am dead and gone. That would be a rather nice legacy to leave the world, don't you think Philip? Charlie Charlie Charlie > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. > But the gratuitously dishonest process through which I was engaged in > dialogue by someone who was in fact working against my interests is > not something I will forget, or let others forget. > Charlie It's not hard to see, if you know what you're looking at. (I think I'm seeing this right) Looking in Conan's left eye, you see a reflection of what looks like a man, but could be a woman with short hair. You can see the dashboard, Of course the passenger window, it looks to me that someone is standing outside the car with the door open, taking the picture. Conan is looking right at the camera person. It looks like the camera is right in the pupil. http://www.barryparrish.com/Image11.jpg FTR: I have caught myself 3 times, almost calling my cat Conan. Haven't done it, but it was on the tip of my tongue. Also: The pictures Monica posted also proved technically to be from two different cameras. (besides the obvious)If you do a simple properties sheet on them under the advanced tab, you can see, they did not come from the same camera. > > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > sheet on them under the advanced tab, you can see, they did not come > from the same camera. Excellent! If you invert the colours the man becomes even more visible.. > > > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > > > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Excellent! If you invert the colours the man becomes even more visible.. I have a photo of Dan. Can you see what the man looks like? > > > > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > > > > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I have a photo of Dan. Can you see what the man looks like? I can see his hair style and face shape and body build, but not much else, the photo may help > > > > > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > > > > > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I can see his hair style and face shape and body build, but not much else, > the photo may help Check your mail! > > > > > Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! > > > > > No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I can see his hair style and face shape and body build, but not much else, > the photo may help got the mail, I'll need a few minutes, I just returned from the vet and have to sort through a few things :) >>>>> Then this Dan comes along with his two-faced treachery, and Blammo! >>>>> No second cat in my life. Which is not intolerable, by any means. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I can see his hair style and face shape and body build, but not much > else, the photo may help LOL Talk about straying off-topic! > Excellent! If you invert the colours the man becomes even more visible.. Check this progression out, I posted all 12, just because different monitors and gammas, and color profiles.. it's super see-able now, but can't see who, but they are cuacasion..lol http://www.barryparrish.com/clarify/ > it's super see-able now, but can't see who, but they are cuacasion..lol > > http://www.barryparrish.com/clarify/ In Conans left eye, just barely to the left of his pupil, you see the image Of course his right eye, reflects the same image, a little harder to see. I took the fish-eye out of the image, but this actually made the target image smaller. It may be better to move back from your monitor a tad... >It may be better to move back from your monitor a tad... I was looking at the one last night. I brought it up in Photoshop, and I couldn't see a thing. I really thought you were making it up and muttered about it. My nephew, who was sitting across the room said he saw it, so I went over to where he was, and then I could see the shape. I don't see much detail, so I don't see how useful it is, but I do see it, and to anybody who can't, step back from the monitor. It *is* easier to view that way.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >It may be better to move back from your monitor a tad... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it, and to anybody who can't, step back from the monitor. It *is* > easier to view that way. Our resident forensics expert pointed out the man in Conan's left eye--clearly Dan--and a woman in his right--she has a brown bob, a white blouse or jacket and a skirt. Likely Nancy. I could see both. >> >It may be better to move back from your monitor a tad... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >eye--clearly Dan--and a woman in his right--she has a brown bob, a >white blouse or jacket and a skirt. Likely Nancy. I could see both. If I was on a jury, I would not be sending anyone up to the big house over this evidence. At most, you have proven someone took the picture. But, I gamely examined the photo, and after awhile I thought I could make out something, which I lined in as follows: www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/conaneye.jpg Is that what I am supposed to see? This is just for entertainment, mind you. This is a dead horse. You don't need to push the Dan issue any more. No one is denying his involvement, and no one is denying that he lied through his goddamn teeth in his email. I'm glad my first encounter with the guy was so informative; it helps me realize I'm not as good a judge of credibility as I think I am. Charlie > www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/conaneye.jpg > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie Yes of course it's just for fun. Nice illustration! I don't need you to give me permission to stop doing anything, your about 12 hours late, reading the post. You sat back passively and said, Oh well, I can understand them not picking me...and then you validated all their reasons. IMO >> www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/conaneye.jpg >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I don't need you to give me permission to stop doing anything, your >about 12 hours late, reading the post. No. I was responding to Mary's comment on the thread you started -- five minutes after she posted it. It's a damn good thing you don't need my permission, because if you did, I would deny it left and fucken right. I love power! >You sat back passively and said, Oh well, I can understand them not >picking me...and then you validated all their reasons. IMO You're right, I'm passive about of losing out on the cat. I have explained my position -- I'll take him if no one else will. I don't think their reasons were valid in the first place. I like to post obnoxious comments. I'm not about to shape up because of these bitches. Charlie > It's a damn good thing you don't need my permission, because if you > did, I would deny it left and fucken right. Close your hole! > www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/conaneye.jpg > Charlie Yeah, that a pretty good manipulation seeing that the original face was only 12 pixels. 12 pixels, I bet there are more pixels in a small o you probably have a better monitor than mine, i never caught the crouching figure. They look like Goerge and Barbara Bush to me > Our resident forensics expert pointed out the man in Conan's left > eye--clearly Dan--and a woman in his right--she has a brown bob, a > white blouse or jacket and a skirt. Likely Nancy. I could see both. Lord, I don't remember writing anything like that. It just stands to reason, both eyes are reflecting the same image. Oh well. > Our resident forensics expert pointed out the man in Conan's left > eye--clearly Dan--and a woman in his right--she has a brown bob, a > white blouse or jacket and a skirt. Likely Nancy. I could see both. Oh, Iiiii see what you mean. >>> It may be better to move back from your monitor a tad... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > eye--clearly Dan--and a woman in his right--she has a brown bob, a > white blouse or jacket and a skirt. Likely Nancy. I could see both. What a load. > Also: The pictures Monica posted also proved technically to be from two > different cameras. (besides the obvious)If you do a simple properties > sheet on them under the advanced tab, you can see, they did not come > from the same camera. This is the second time in the Conan threads that I have seen reference to different cameras, and the other reference also mentioned that the pictures are closely cropped. This puzzles me as it seems to have almost no meaning in today's world with so many electronic gadgets. For example, I have 3 digital cameras and several 35mm cameras; so anyone looking at my photos would be able to see that different cameras were used. Nevertheless, they were all taken by the same person (me). Likewise, I crop many of the pictures I post because I am primarily interested in showing my cats and not in what surrounds them. What's more, I am a complete amateur -- I am not describing someone with professional equipment or any great skills as a photographer. As an example, look at the following albums of Duffy and Holly, which I have used for some time to (1) describe Duffy's introduction into our household and (2) provide an update. MaryL Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") >> Also: The pictures Monica posted also proved technically to be from two >> different cameras. (besides the obvious)If you do a simple properties [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) >http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") I think a shot came from the Grassy Knoll....... > > Also: The pictures Monica posted also proved technically to be from two > > different cameras. (besides the obvious)If you do a simple properties [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > MaryL Excellent point, MaryL. I was thinking the same thing. It is superfluous data. >>> You are really wrong. Really, really wrong. Exceptionally wrong. >>> We trusted Dan and he betrayed our trust. Dan is the reason this [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Charlie What are the secondary gains for nursing a "wrong" long after the deed? Holding a grudge is a tremendous expenditure of energy and .... for what? This is something bitter ex wives do. "This too shall pass" >What are the secondary gains for nursing a "wrong" long after the deed? It has entertainment value. It gives me a lasting pool of capital for abusive one-liners and gags. I genuinely admire your talent, Philip. You are someone for whom the word "troll" is far too diminutive. You are an artist, a producer of participatory drama through which people reveal their true natures. And I am a sadistic jackal. For me, this is fun. Charlie >> What are the secondary gains for nursing a "wrong" long after the >> deed? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie Ok. ;^) > >> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and > >> persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Charlie I would not have done this, Charlie, but I am really glad you did. Dan is a piece of sh.t. (I could only suspend belief for so long.) There is a special, lower echelon in hell for Dan Mahoney and Monica "Sig Heil" Towle. And in heaven for Conan and the people who sincerely tried to help him--and not just further a warped out agenda. >> >> Why doesn't Monica take him herself, if she is such an infallible and >> >> persnickety judge of what is best for Conan? [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >I would not have done this, Charlie, but I am really glad you did. I don't know the guy and have no commitments to him. If he's gonna email me bullshit, and I find out it's bullshit, it's my email to do with as I please. >Dan is a piece of sh.t. (I could only suspend belief for so long.) >There is a special, lower echelon in hell for Dan Mahoney and >Monica "Sig Heil" Towle. > >And in heaven for Conan and the people who sincerely tried >to help him--and not just further a warped out agenda. I wish Dan would explain himself, if he's such a great guy. I don't want to slam him if we're wrong about the facts. But it doesn't look like we are. Monica has certainly said nothing to disabuse us of the suspicion that Dan was involved with her caper. Charlie Would you mind keeping this stuff in the original thread > Path: newssvr31.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!easynews-local!fe06.news.easynews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes users.easynews.com> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Charlie > The gentleman who wanted Conan was told that his home is too small. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Congrats, Charlie. It seems you are right, to my great > disappointment. Gah. I got so confused over exactly what happened with Conan I have no idea what actually transpired. But let me get this straight. He was dumped at the shelter by persons unknown. Then adopted by Phillip. Then dumped back at the shelter. Then rescued by "Monica". Taken to a kennel. Then adopted to some dude with a small house. Now he's dumped back at the kennel? That poor cat. He must be so confused. I really hope he rises above all that confusion without developing bad personalty issues. Sherry Hi Sherry, Close, but you have one extra dump in there. He was at the shelter originally as a stray. He was adopted by Philip, He was taken back a week or so later. Then he was taken out by Monica's group, and there he remains. Sources here think he was put in a kennel until they could find a home for him. Rhonda > Gah. I got so confused over exactly what happened with Conan I have no > idea what actually transpired. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry > Hi Sherry, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > group, and there he remains. Sources here think he was put in a kennel > until they could find a home for him. This is really confusing. I thought he was rescued from the shelter and being fostered at someone's home, not put in a kennel. How do we know he's in a kennel? > > Hi Sherry, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and being fostered at someone's home, not put in a kennel. How do we > know he's in a kennel? Because the plan was for Dan to get him and board him in a kennel close to his home--when I sent him the money to spring Conan. See, Dan has too many cats and could not foster him. Monica is in Canada, and on such short notice, simply emailed Dan and apparently convinced him that if I were involved, Evil Charlie Wilkes would get Conan. Dan then pretended to be on his way to get Conan for us (group emails tell the story--Rhonda, TracyRose, and Charlie got them along with me) and then made up a story about another group getting there first because he got stuck in traffic. So--then, Monica announces that she and her "group" had Conan, and that "we decided not to use Mary's money." Well, Dan was the only one with access to my money, as my accountant sent it to him. So I emailed Dan and said "What does this mean?" He would not answer. He has not answered since Tuesday. He has to be in the kennel because Dan went out of town for the weekend and could not foster him and Monica is in Canada. They are being hush-hush because they know it is wrong to keep him in the kennel for SIX full days, particularly when a lovely man in the San Diego are wanted him, and before Monica got to him, Dan said he would deliver him last Wednesday. The dead giveaway is Monica's correspondence with the San Diego man, which he sent me. Her descriptions of his behavior are lifted from Philips' early descriptions--because that is all she has. Also consider that on Wednesday Dan posted that he needed to find a home for a kitten and also a "2 year old neutered male." If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just know it. >If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just >know it. I think Philip has Conan, Mary. This is what he is dying to tell us both. This "Double-Agent Dan" business doesn't square with the rest of the guy insofar as I have studied his emails and posts. It seems very unlikely that he would fabricate the story he told in his final email. I think he became party to this after the fact, for reasons that make sense. Charlie > >If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just > >know it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think he became party to this after the fact, for reasons that make > sense. Nope. I am not buying it. And if it is true, these a.sholes are even worse than we thought for allowing us to worry. So WHAT if Philip were fostering him? He had him once. I'm sorry, but the secrecy tells me that something else altogether is going on. If Philip posted a photo of Conan with today's newspaper beside him, date visible, I might believe it. But it is more likely that I would think he doctored an old photo. I don't believe he has him or knows where he is. I would actually like to think this is true. But, no way. > > >If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just > > >know it. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > old photo. I don't believe he has him or knows where he is. I would > actually like to think this is true. But, no way. Mary, can I send you a private e-mail from me? I don't like to send without asking first... > > > >If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just > > > >know it. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Mary, can I send you a private e-mail from me? I don't like to send without > asking first... Of course, you're always welcome. > I think he became party to this after the fact, for reasons that make > sense. What reasons? Give me some reasons that will make sense for the way Dan has behaved. I don't want to think he lied to us. >> I think he became party to this after the fact, for reasons that make >> sense. > >What reasons? Give me some reasons that will make sense for the way >Dan has behaved. I don't want to think he lied to us. The story as we have cobbled it together rings true -- EXCEPT for Dan's role. I don't know Dan, but I know how people tend to operate. I don't think Dan would jerk a bunch of people around on a list, because he takes this cat thing seriously and wants to be taken seriously by others. Pretending to go along with a plan as a "double agent" is a sure way for him to destroy his credibility. That final email, in particular, is not something he would have sent if he had been successful in retrieving Conan. My working hypothesis is that Monica contacted Philip, and Philip agreed to retrieve Conan from the shelter. He got there ahead of Dan. Then, Monica informed Dan about the situation because Dan is an important local resource. Presumably she told him Philip didn't want anyone to know he has the cat, and if will stir the sh.t if people find out, so don't say anything until all this is over. I have suspected this for a couple of days now. I was hoping Dan would break his silence. But he probably is gone somewhere and will come back to this tomorrow night. Charlie > My working hypothesis is that Monica contacted Philip, and Philip > agreed to retrieve Conan from the shelter. He got there ahead of Dan. Well, I hope Conan doesn't sneeze then or Philip may take advantage of the 14 day return policy at his lovely shelter, once again. I kinda hope you're wrong, Philip has shown he doesn't have much patience. Plus he has a kitten now, too. If he also has Conan that means he is either keeping them separated or intro'ing them, both of which sounds like too much effort for Philip. It's possible Philip knows something because Monica has been in contact with him but, somehow, I just can't buy that Philip has him. I don't know about Dan. I've read his posts for a long time now and he seems to be a great guy. I think it might be possible that he was convinced that the cat should go to someone other than you (sorry). He very much puts kitties first and maybe he felt an alternative would be better. He does seem like a very upfront guy but it's also a little strange that he hasn't contacted Mary at all in response to her emails after having a "relationship" with her re: Conan. No matter what his role was, I bet he's sort of sorry he got involved now. I think Conan is okay and will be okay but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he is currently being boarded in a kennel as was the original plan. Candace > I kinda hope you're wrong, Philip has shown he doesn't have much > patience. Plus he has a kitten now, too. If he also has Conan that > means he is either keeping them separated or intro'ing them, both of > which sounds like too much effort for Philip. Plus, I just remembered the post where Monica pinged Philip re: Conan's vaccination history when it was unclear whether Conan had been vaccinated for FIV at the shelter (thereby starting a long thread re: doing that). If Philip had Conan, Monica would not be pinging him on a newsgroup to find out about Conan's records. That, again, makes it seem possible that Dan got Conan. Someone had to get him. Candace > > I kinda hope you're wrong, Philip has shown he doesn't have much > > patience. Plus he has a kitten now, too. If he also has Conan that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vaccinated for FIV at the shelter (thereby starting a long thread re: > doing that). If Philip had Conan, Monica would not be pinging him on a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > newsgroup to find out about Conan's records. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > That, again, makes it seem possible that Dan got Conan. Someone had to > get him. You very smahhht, glasshoppah. :) Have I mentioned how sorry I am that I ever insulted your undies? > Have I mentioned how sorry I am that I ever insulted your undies? Actually, yes:) > > Have I mentioned how sorry I am that I ever insulted your undies? > > Actually, yes:) I thought you missed that one! I am honestly contrite. :) I like french cut, not bikinis. No butt floss for me. >> > I kinda hope you're wrong, Philip has shown he doesn't have much >> > patience. Plus he has a kitten now, too. If he also has Conan that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Have I mentioned how sorry I am that I ever insulted your undies? Whoa. Not so fast. If you girls wanna blow anything of mine, we will have to take the discussion off-line. Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some sort of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that information even if Philip was her agent in retrieving the cat. Why not? I have analyzed the emails Dan posted to the list, especially the last one about getting stuck on the freeway. If it's a lie, it's a lie with a lot of unnecessary details thrown in. That just doesn't work. He had nothing to gain. He could have said, "Mission accomplished -- Conan is out of the shelter. I have decided to let Monica field applications for him." On the other hand, if Dan was truthful about getting there too late, but has been told the inside story, he might well be persuaded to not say anything to anyone. I see Philip is in here posting, but he hasn't picked up this header yet. Charlie > Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some sort > of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that information even > if Philip was her agent in retrieving the cat. Why not? That is not the issue. Here is the rub: if she had contacted Philip about picking up Conan, it had to be via email, as she did not do it in the group. So why would she be unable to reach him the day after the pickup? > I have analyzed the emails Dan posted to the list, especially the last > one about getting stuck on the freeway. If it's a lie, it's a lie > with a lot of unnecessary details thrown in. It was a lie. There is no reason to turn off one's phone in heavy traffic, as the pace is at a crawl. I emailed him right away to thank him for his trouble, and ask who he spoke to, and if he was sure someone really had Conan and that the shelter did not just say that. Why is it that he never answered, but was posting in rpca later that night? >That just doesn't work. > He had nothing to gain. Sure he did. He thought he could keep his good reputation--the one that had numerous people, including me, calling his vet the week before and donating via credit card to his cat Harriet's bill. >He could have said, "Mission accomplished -- > Conan is out of the shelter. I have decided to let Monica field > applications for him." He most certainly could have but he did not. A bad decision on his part, as I would have understood completely. It is the lie I am having a hard time with--and Dan just letting us sweat it out, wondering if the shelter would not release Conan to him due to the a.shole who called. > On the other hand, if Dan was truthful about getting there too late, > but has been told the inside story, he might well be persuaded to not > say anything to anyone. No way, Charlie. > I see Philip is in here posting, but he hasn't picked up this header > yet. It does not take a genius to see that Philip is the same sad old attention-seeking dickhead as always. Conan has spent the last six f.cking days in a cage. >> Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some sort >> of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that information even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >do it in the group. So why would she be unable to reach him the >day after the pickup? I see. I missed that point. I can't answer that one. >> I have analyzed the emails Dan posted to the list, especially the last >> one about getting stuck on the freeway. If it's a lie, it's a lie >> with a lot of unnecessary details thrown in. > >It was a lie. There is no reason to turn off one's phone in heavy >traffic, as the pace is at a crawl. I emailed him right away to thank Not necessarily true. I have driven around down there and it can be a challenge. >him for his trouble, and ask who he spoke to, and if he was sure >someone really had Conan and that the shelter did not just say that. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >that had numerous people, including me, calling his vet the week >before and donating via credit card to his cat Harriet's bill. To my point, Mary. If he has built that kind of relationship with you, and with others, then he's got something to lose. > >He could have said, "Mission accomplished -- >> Conan is out of the shelter. I have decided to let Monica field [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >wondering if the shelter would not release Conan to him due to >the a.shole who called. That is why I suspect there is more to the story insofar as Dan's involvement is concerned. Why should he antagonize a bunch of allies on Usenet for no reason??? >> On the other hand, if Dan was truthful about getting there too late, >> but has been told the inside story, he might well be persuaded to not >> say anything to anyone. > >No way, Charlie. Why not? >> I see Philip is in here posting, but he hasn't picked up this header >> yet. > >It does not take a genius to see that Philip is the same sad old >attention-seeking >dickhead as always. Conan has spent the last six f.cking days in a cage. I don't want to jump to conclusions. Philip seems to know exactly what is going on. Why is that? Charlie > To my point, Mary. If he has built that kind of relationship with > you, and with others, then he's got something to lose. Or he might have thought his reputation was beyond reproach. > > >He could have said, "Mission accomplished -- > >> Conan is out of the shelter. I have decided to let Monica field [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > involvement is concerned. Why should he antagonize a bunch of allies > on Usenet for no reason??? He would not be antagonizing anyone if Monica had kept his secret. > >> On the other hand, if Dan was truthful about getting there too late, > >> but has been told the inside story, he might well be persuaded to not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Why not? Because he did not read this group regularly, and because there was just no reason to keep it hush hush if Philip had Conan. No reason at all. He could be trusted to foster. . > I don't want to jump to conclusions. Philip seems to know exactly > what is going on. Why is that? I'm sorry, but I am mystified. What does he know? He knows nothing at all except what we know. Tell me, Charlie, what is it that Philp knows that you find so impressive? >> To my point, Mary. If he has built that kind of relationship with >> you, and with others, then he's got something to lose. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >He would not be antagonizing anyone if Monica had kept his >secret. In what way did she reveal his secret? >> >> On the other hand, if Dan was truthful about getting there too late, >> >> but has been told the inside story, he might well be persuaded to not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >just no reason to keep it hush hush if Philip had Conan. No reason >at all. He could be trusted to foster. Philip might have made it a condition of his involvement. You and I agree that if this creative story about freeway accidents and touring the shelter to confirm Conan's absence is a fabrication, it was unnecessary. It exposes Dan to a lot of flack. How did you get to know him so that you called his vet and donated to his cat's vet bill? You could go back to that group and say, "hey, I trusted this guy and did him a good turn, but he turned out to be an a.shole." >. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >at all except what we know. Tell me, Charlie, what is it that Philp knows >that you find so impressive? I suspect Philip knows who got Conan and where he is now. Charlie >>> Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some >>> sort of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Charlie Because ... I do. >:^) > Whoa. Not so fast. If you girls wanna blow anything of mine, we will > have to take the discussion off-line. lol > Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some sort > of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that information even [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charlie Charlie, I think Monica has Conan, or has placed him. She was real wordy in the beginning, but now she's just spectating. We all know she's reading the posts, right? Mary's probably right about Conan, and this is why Monica is silent. IMO >> Whoa. Not so fast. If you girls wanna blow anything of mine, we will >> have to take the discussion off-line. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >She was real wordy in the beginning, but now she's just spectating. >We all know she's reading the posts, right? I wonder if she is. She's taking a beating on this forum. Usually people don't sit back and let that happen. She might be gone for the weekend. >Mary's probably right about Conan, and this is why Monica is silent. There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip seem to know so much about what is going on? Charlie >IMO > There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a > temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip > seem to know so much about what is going on? > > Charlie I don't think Phillip knows anything, he's just rehashing everyone else's conversations, he really has not said anything we didn't already know or speculate. >> There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a >> temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > else's conversations, he really has not said anything we didn't > already know or speculate. The remarkable thing is you have no confirmation about what you "know" or "speculate" ... which seem to be one in the same. LOL > >> There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a > >> temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The remarkable thing is you have no confirmation about what you "know" or > "speculate" ... which seem to be one in the same. LOL lol actually Monica pretty much confirmed you know jackshit ... now be a good boy and don't ask me to explain that reread her post... > There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a > temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip > seem to know so much about what is going on? Charlie. I ask you again--what is it you think Philip knows? He knows nothing but what has been posted here. Put down that pipe and clear your head, man. :) >> There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a >> temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >but what has been posted here. Put down that pipe and clear your head, man. >:) I'm working a stash of chronic here and I'll bet you would get RIPPED if you took a toke. I don't have a clue, except Philip says he knows something, and why wouldn't he? He seems to be a regular visitor to the shelter. He has access to information sources the rest of us don't, by dint of being in the area and talking to people at these facilities. He might know about the most likely places to board a cat and be able to check them out. Philip is an old geezer with time on his hands. Charlie > >> There are other possibilities too, such as a private shelter or a > >> temporary residence with someone in the area. Again, why does Philip [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Charlie From Monica's post above, I take it that Conan was kept in the kennel Dan told us about at $10 per night until they could get him into a local no-kill shelter--which is exactly what Dan planned to do when he was telling us he would help get Conan out of the kill shelter. Conan is likely at the Redland's Humane Society, if Dan could get him in there. But you can bet he has been boarded in a kennel since Tuesday--and he is likely caged most of the time at the shelter he is in now, but released into the play area once a day or so. > Think about it. If Monica is the screener, putting together some sort > of adoption papers for Conan, she might ask for that information even > if Philip was her agent in retrieving the cat. Why not? Because if Philip is her agent, I would certainly assume they had more than newsgroup communication. Monica would not want Philip to be her "agent" without having spoken on the phone to him and been very certain he could be trusted. After all, look how she is turning potential adopters away by the zillions; she is not going to entrust the cat to someone who she has had no contact with other than a couple of newsgroup communications. She would call him on the phone or at the very least email him. > I have analyzed the emails Dan posted to the list, especially the last > one about getting stuck on the freeway. Were those to the newsgroup or to "Group A," because I don't recall seeing those on the ng. Candace > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote in message > > This is really confusing. I thought he was rescued from the shelter [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Her descriptions of his behavior are lifted from Philips' early > descriptions--because that is all she has. I thought Meghan Noeken (sp?) had a sister who very much wanted Conan? > Also consider that on Wednesday Dan posted that he needed to > find a home for a kitten and also a "2 year old neutered male." > > If this cat is not in a kennel they will prove it. But he is, I just > know it. I hope you're wrong, Mary, and I know you hope you're wrong too. I would hate to think he's sitting there in a kennel. It would be nice if one of the people involved in his rescue could just post that he's okay, etc., considering that there's hundreds of posts from concerned people. We don't need to know specifics either. > > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote in message > > > This is really confusing. I thought he was rescued from the shelter [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I thought Meghan Noeken (sp?) had a sister who very much wanted Conan? Yes, but that involved transporting him out of state. Everyone agreed that a local home would be easier on Conan. Plus, Monica refused to let Meghan's sister have him. > > Also consider that on Wednesday Dan posted that he needed to > > find a home for a kitten and also a "2 year old neutered male." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > okay, etc., considering that there's hundreds of posts from concerned > people. We don't need to know specifics either. I don't need any specifics at all except proof that he is not where I know he is--in the kennel. It is just pure meanness that they will not let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. >It is just pure meanness that they will not > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. Nobody owes you - or anyone else - a God-damned thing. Get over it, and get a f.cking life. -L. > >It is just pure meanness that they will not > > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. > > Nobody owes you - or anyone else - a God-damned thing. Get over it, > and get a f.cking life. Nobody said that anyone owed me anything. Given that so many people are worried about Conan, it is, as I said, just pure meanness that Monica will not put our minds at ease about whether he is, indeed, still in a kennel after six days. Now crawl back under your rock, Chubs. Thanks for yet another lovely post your son Jonathan can ask you and Daddy Will about in a few years. lol! Damn, you people are mean to one another! Stacey >> >It is just pure meanness that they will not >> > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > post your son Jonathan can ask you and Daddy Will about in a few years. > lol! > Damn, you people are mean to one another! Not all of us. So, where are you, Stacey? And why did Monica "ping" you Monday night? :) Do you have Conan? I wish you did. > Stacey > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > post your son Jonathan can ask you and Daddy Will about in a few years. > > lol! >> Damn, you people are mean to one another! > > Not all of us. So, where are you, Stacey? And why did Monica "ping" you > Monday night? > :) Do you have Conan? I wish you did. I'm in Canyon, CA. Monica pinged me because I posted to the group from work and used Newsguy. She tried to reach me but it bounced because when you post from Newsguy it doesn't give your actual email address but a Newsguy address. No, I don't have Conan. My friend was interested in Conan but realized she is still grieving over her 17 year cat who died two months ago from CRF. I think Sunny would be a better name because of his coloring, his markings, and his dispostion. :) Stacey > >> Damn, you people are mean to one another! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > post from Newsguy it doesn't give your actual email address but a Newsguy > address. :( > No, I don't have Conan. My friend was interested in Conan but realized she > is still grieving over her 17 year cat who died two months ago from CRF. I'm sorry she lost her cat, that is so hard. > I think Sunny would be a better name because of his coloring, his markings, > and his dispostion. :) Yes, what a lovely boy!! And, people, there are Big Orange Cats out there EVERYWHERE who need homes! But this particular one has now been shuttled around way too much and has captured our hearts. Thanks for checking in. I feel sure his new owner will give Conan a better name. > >It is just pure meanness that they will not > > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L. Awwwwww As the winds blow towards the north the voice of insanity speaks again... Lyn, yes they do owe Mary an explanation as well as this group, by default. It was through this groups efforts that the need to rescue Conan became such an important task, they don't get to pull this kind of crap and leave everyone wondering, everyone who has a heart and cares that is. >> >It is just pure meanness that they will not >> > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > pull this kind of crap and leave everyone wondering, everyone > who has a heart and cares that is. Of course they do "get to pull this crap". There is no "group A" or "group B" and no one owes anyone anything. Conan was a dumped cat and he is rescued now. Just because some of you think an explanation is owed doesn't make it so. I know I'd like to know, but I'm not going to devote days worth of posts wondering. I trust that he's in good hands. No one knows the real reasons why some "publicly" posted alternative homes were rejected, and we'll likely not know the real reasons. I trust Monica from what I've read of her in the last several years. She just isn't in this to get notice for her actions as some of you seem to be. She's trying to find the right home. And she has the help of two others involved. If any of you really care about Conan's fate you'll post some flyers where you work in the off-chance event that someone who sees it will have CA family or friends looking for a great cat. That's what I'm going to do when I get back to work. In the meantime, trashing those who are involved just because you don't know everything is just wrong. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > Of course they do "get to pull this crap". There is no "group A" or > "group B" and no one owes anyone anything. Conan was a dumped cat [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > In the meantime, trashing those who are involved just because you > don't know everything is just wrong. I think the gliche here is the part where Monica is being soo selective Hey! If she's got the time more power to her, I also believe Conan is warm and has plenty of food and attention. But as for the "owe" part? And how long did you say she has been posting here? Yeah, I am sure she knows her fellow cat lovers are dying to hear some good news, how long does it take to drop a line or two. Very inconsiderate of her. Very how do you say it..wrong? yeah, Monica is wrong for doing the group like this. It's crappy. > I think the gliche here is the part where Monica is being soo > selective Why do you think Monica has the full say-so over who gets the cat if it's a joint mission? I'm so sick of seeing posts about how horrible she is. Just because you all don't know who the three are, you have to trash the one that posted about Conan. Not right. All of what is going on here now is pure speculation. How do we know the third anonymous rescuer isn't local to CA? We have seen posts about Monica and Dan. We don't even know for sure Dan is part of this. There has only been speculation. Nothing has been proven. Just because "Mary Smith" posts what she thinks has happened, everyone seems to think that is fact. Get on with your lives, people. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > I think the gliche here is the part where Monica is being soo > > selective [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > everyone seems to think that is fact. Get on with your lives, > people. Psst ... you are clueless. >>> I think the gliche here is the part where Monica is being soo >>> selective [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Psst ... you are clueless. So are you Mary ... clueless. This fact causes you to fabricate and speculate. >> I think the gliche here is the part where Monica is being soo >> selective [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > everyone seems to think that is fact. Get on with your lives, > people. There is copious evidence that <I> am *not* one to believe Mary. > Why do you think Monica has the full say-so over who gets the cat > if it's a joint mission? I'm so sick of seeing posts about how [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -- Now Cheryl, I know you didn't just jump off the bus with a watermelon under you arm...hold on...my response is in the pipes! Titled There's no I in team. You tell me whats going on. WHATCHA SAY! > >> >It is just pure meanness that they will not > >> > let us know if he is not. Either way, what a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > In the meantime, trashing those who are involved just because you > don't know everything is just wrong. Oh blow it out your a.s, Cheryl. > Oh blow it out your a.s, Cheryl. I fart in your general direction. There. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields |
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