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Elijah - 23 Sep 2003 15:52 GMT
Hiya.
Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
kitten and an older and loving tuxedo cat.  Was just given a
magnificent persian rug but it'd be a shame if the kitten tore it to
shreds and there's no way I'll declaw them.  Is there any kind of
effective deterrant?  I was thinking of waiting a few months until the
kitten isn't so destructive anymore, but that isnt 100% effective,
cause she'll still probably occasionally scratch it like when she's
bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?
Thanks
PawsForThought - 23 Sep 2003 15:58 GMT
>From: semiaziz@hotmail.com  (Elijah)

>Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
>kitten and an older and loving tuxedo cat.  Was just given a
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>cause she'll still probably occasionally scratch it like when she's
>bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?

I would highly recommend a good tall sturdy scratching post, one of those
cardboard scratching pads, and a cat tree.  I have these for my cats and they
do not scratch my rugs.  The key is to give the cat something more enticing
than your rug to scratch on.  Glad to hear you won't consider declawing!

Lauren
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Bill - 23 Sep 2003 16:44 GMT
> >From: semiaziz@hotmail.com  (Elijah)
>
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> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

The Turbo Scratcher is especially attractive to kittens because it has a
ball they can bat around as well as the cardboard to scratch on.  It would
probably work better to place it relatively near the rug you don't want
scratched so it will always be a more attractive alternative.

You can also buy an inexpensive scissors-like tool at the pet supply store
to trim the cat's claws.  Have someone show you how to do it because you can
injure the cat if you trim too much.  There's a blood vessel in the claw you
might hit.  It's only necessary to snip the end of the claw to blunt the
sharp point.

Bill
Alison Perera - 23 Sep 2003 17:21 GMT
> You can also buy an inexpensive scissors-like tool at the pet supply store
> to trim the cat's claws.  Have someone show you how to do it because you can
> injure the cat if you trim too much.  There's a blood vessel in the claw you
> might hit.  It's only necessary to snip the end of the claw to blunt the
> sharp point.

Or, if you are really concerned about damage, you can *carefully* trim
much, much more. It's possible to cut the whole "hook" off of the claw
without hitting the quick. Then there's nothing for the cat to insert
under the carpet fiber and he doesn't end up pulling or breaking the
threads that way. Since this is a temporary measure and the claws do
grow back (probably quicker than you'd like!) you should take advantage
of the reprieve to train the cat to re-direct his scratching.

-Alison in OH
MaryL - 23 Sep 2003 17:12 GMT
> >From: semiaziz@hotmail.com  (Elijah)
>
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> Lauren
> ________

In addition to what Lauren has said, I would recommend that you get several
types of scratching posts.  It is good to have several so that one will be
available close to wherever the cat is.  Also try different covers.  Most
cats seem to like sisal-wrapped posts, but some prefer carpet or even
cardboard.  Some cats prefer horizontal posts, but mine have always like
vertical posts best.  As Lauren said, get a tall post to encourage
stretching; and make sure it is heavy and sturdy so it won't topple when the
cat is using it.  If the post falls over on the cat, your cat may be too
frightened to use it again.  PetSmart has a very nice tall post with a base
that the cat stands on when scratching.  That adds still more stability.
You can see some of my cats' posts (and also their cat tree, which includes
one sisal-wrapped pole and 3 carpeted poles) if you will scroll through
their pictures on the sites below my signature.

Since this is a kitten, I do think it would be a good idea to train her to a
scratching post before you put the new rug on the floor.  However, that
should be easy if you are consistent.  All of my cats were trained within a
few days, but I did monitor them closely during those first few days.  If
they would start to scratch elsewhere, I would say "no" and either take the
cat to a scratching post or tap or scratch on the post myself.  Any time the
cat used a scratching post, I would praise extravagantly.  I would
frequently take time to attract a new cat to a scratching post.  I would
drag a piece of cord (sometimes with a toy on the end) up the post while the
cat would grab for it.  Invariably, this would lead to the cat grabbing the
post itself and then would usually start to scratch ... which would lead to
more praise, etc.

As I said, it takes only a few days to train a cat to a post (although it
may take more time with a kitten -- just as you can't expect the same
reaction from small children as you would expect from an older child).  None
of my furniture is scratched!

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)

Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's
integration into our household):
Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54
Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56
Cate - 23 Sep 2003 18:53 GMT
> I would highly recommend a good tall sturdy scratching post, one of those
> cardboard scratching pads, and a cat tree.  I have these for my cats and they
> do not scratch my rugs.  The key is to give the cat something more enticing
> than your rug to scratch on.  Glad to hear you won't consider declawing!

Having read this group for a few years now, I've seen the OP's question and
some variation of this answer over and over. (I won't declaw either, after
having declawed a cat years ago before I knew what it involved.)

I now find myself in a similar situation to the OP: I've moved into a rented
house where the entire second floor is carpeted. Taking it up is not an
option. My cat, who scratches both horizontally and vertically, has two
Cosmic Catnip scratchers (horizontal), which she uses religiously. She also
has a homemade cat tree with one post wrapped in sisal. Although she used it
in our last house, she hasn't used it to my knowledge since we moved. I also
tried a vertical sisal post on its own. She left it untouched.

Instead, she's supplementing her use of the CC scratchers with clawing at
the wall-to-wall carpet and on the chair in our bedroom. The chair is no
problem--she only scratches the back, and I've taped tin foil to the back so
she won't go at it anymore.

But what I can't figure out is how to get her to stop scratching at the
carpet. It's not localized to one area--it's in three different rooms, in
every square inch that's available to her. I keep her claws short (she's
agreeable to trimming), but it doesn't help. She still rips the loops right
out of the carpet.

I'll try the citrus idea another poster suggested. But does anyone have a
magic pill they can give me? <g>

Cate
PawsForThought - 24 Sep 2003 14:01 GMT
>From: "Cate" orson14850invalid@yahoo.com

>Instead, she's supplementing her use of the CC scratchers with clawing at
>the wall-to-wall carpet and on the chair in our bedroom. The chair is no
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>agreeable to trimming), but it doesn't help. She still rips the loops right
>out of the carpet.

You could try getting some scraps of the carpet and putting them in all the
rooms.  Preferably a carpet that is even more enticing to her than what you
have now.  One of my cats started clawing at the carpeting in one room.  So I
bought a couple of carpet squares made from a similar type carpet, but a more
scratchy type material.  So far so good, Meesha uses these scraps instead of
the regular carpeting.  I sprinkled some cat nip on the scraps and I also
praise her when she uses them.

Lauren
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cate - 24 Sep 2003 19:21 GMT
> You could try getting some scraps of the carpet and putting them in all the
> rooms.  Preferably a carpet that is even more enticing to her than what you
> have now.

This is a good idea. Not to be difficult, but how would I know what's more
enticing than what she has now other than by buying scraps over and over and
trying them all? Is there some type that's supposed to be more enticing for
scratching, in general, than others?

Cate
PawsForThought - 24 Sep 2003 20:29 GMT
>From: "Cate" orson14850invalid@yahoo.com

>> You could try getting some scraps of the carpet and putting them in all
>the
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>
>Cate

I find that the scratchier the carpet feels, the more my cats seem to like it.
I think berber type carpeting or something that has a rough texture is what
they probably will be attracted to the most.  If you have any of those dollar
stores nearby, that's where I found some carpet pieces.  Then you can just rub
a little catnip into the rug for good measure.

Good luck, Cate, and let me know how it works out :)

Lauren
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See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cate - 24 Sep 2003 20:40 GMT
> I find that the scratchier the carpet feels, the more my cats seem to like it.
> I think berber type carpeting or something that has a rough texture is what
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>
> Good luck, Cate, and let me know how it works out :)

Thanks on both counts. I will.

Cate
kaeli - 23 Sep 2003 17:47 GMT
> Hiya.
> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?
> Thanks

In addition to the other wonderful suggestions...

Sprinkle orange or citrus-scented, pet safe, carpet deodorizer on the
rug. Most cats despise citrus, especially orange.


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~kaeli~
Hey, if you got it flaunt it! If you don't, stare
at someone who does. Just don't lick the TV screen,
it leaves streaks.
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Karen - 23 Sep 2003 17:53 GMT
> Hiya.
> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?
> Thanks

Get a couple of the boards wrapped in sisal and fake sheep skin available at
the stores. I have on laying on my carpet and my horizontal scratcher uses
it all the time.

Karen
m. L. Briggs - 23 Sep 2003 18:01 GMT
>Hiya.
>Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?
>Thanks

How large is the rug?  Would it be suitable to use as a wall hanging?
Elijah - 24 Sep 2003 03:40 GMT
> >Hiya.
> >Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> How large is the rug?  Would it be suitable to use as a wall hanging?

Thank you all for the helpful posts, I will try all of your
suggestions and repost in a week or two.  This post though I had to
answer, because the memory it stirs is both a pleasant and unpleasant
one.  (The rug is 8' x 11' so a bit too big for the wall).  When we
first got Shayna, the annoying 9 month old, we had already put  a very
nice rug on the wall.  After about a week she took a running start
then launched herself at the rug and clawed her way to the top.
Would've broken my heart if I hadn't been laughing so hard.
MaryL - 24 Sep 2003 04:21 GMT
> > >Hiya.
> > >Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> then launched herself at the rug and clawed her way to the top.
> Would've broken my heart if I hadn't been laughing so hard.

This sounds like a cat tree might be a good option because it would provide
a good surface for climging and play (but without damaging your carpets).
My cats love theirs.  They use the sisal-covered post as a scratching post,
and they also love to play on the tree.  My little blind cat, Duffy,
especially loves it.  He can't see to leap from the tree, so he travels
rapidly up and down the posts almost like a little bear.  You can see the
tree (and my two cats) if you will scroll toward the bottom of the second
link under my signature.  If you like it, I ordered mine from
www.createacatcondo.com.  It is exceptionally sturdy and comes completely
assembled.  Shipping is included in the listed price, and you can configure
to almost anything you want.  I asked them to make mine a foot taller than
standard, and they did not charge anything extra.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)

Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's
integration into our household):
Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54
Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56
Karen - 24 Sep 2003 04:28 GMT
>>> Hiya.
>>> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> then launched herself at the rug and clawed her way to the top.
> Would've broken my heart if I hadn't been laughing so hard.

My dad once carpeted a whole wall just for the cats with carpet remnants.
They LOVED it.

Karen
MaryL - 24 Sep 2003 04:33 GMT
> >>> Hiya.
> >>> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Karen

LOL!  I thought my cats were pampered, but that tops what I have.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)
PawsForThought - 24 Sep 2003 18:05 GMT
>From: Karen kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY

>My dad once carpeted a whole wall just for the cats with carpet remnants.
>They LOVED it.

What a great idea, Karen.  I just may do this to one of my walls.  Do you know
what he used to tack it up there?
________
See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Karen - 25 Sep 2003 02:07 GMT
>> From: Karen kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

He used Liquid Nails.

Karen
PawsForThought - 25 Sep 2003 16:15 GMT
>From: Karen kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY

>> What a great idea, Karen.  I just may do this to one of my walls.  Do you
>know
>> what he used to tack it up there?
>> ________

>He used Liquid Nails.

Thanks, Karen!
________
See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
PawsForThought - 24 Sep 2003 14:03 GMT
>From: semiaziz@hotmail.com  (Elijah)

> When we
>first got Shayna, the annoying 9 month old, we had already put  a very
>nice rug on the wall.  After about a week she took a running start
>then launched herself at the rug and clawed her way to the top.
>Would've broken my heart if I hadn't been laughing so hard.

LOL!  Isn't that just like a cat? :)
________
See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
m. L. Briggs - 24 Sep 2003 18:25 GMT
>> >Hiya.
>> >Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>then launched herself at the rug and clawed her way to the top.
>Would've broken my heart if I hadn't been laughing so hard.

I wish you had a picture of that.   MLB
Barb 1 - 25 Sep 2003 17:10 GMT
Just read about your problem.  My question is, "Who gave you an extremely
large, expensive Persian rug, knowing you have a cat?"  Is it someone who
wants you to get rid of or declaw your cat?  Myself, I would give the rug
back.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
kaeli - 25 Sep 2003 16:32 GMT
> Just read about your problem.  My question is, "Who gave you an extremely
> large, expensive Persian rug, knowing you have a cat?"  Is it someone who
> wants you to get rid of or declaw your cat?  Myself, I would give the rug
> back.

Some of us have cats that don't hurt our rugs.  ;)

(guardian of 3 fully clawed cats and owner of one rather nice persian
rug)

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~kaeli~
All I ask for is the chance to prove that money
cannot make me happy.
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Jean B. - 27 Sep 2003 00:54 GMT
> > Just read about your problem.  My question is, "Who gave you an extremely
> > large, expensive Persian rug, knowing you have a cat?"  Is it someone who
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> (guardian of 3 fully clawed cats and owner of one rather nice persian
> rug)

Mmmm.  I have a Persian rug--actually a few of them.  Hairballs
are more of a problem than clawing is.  OTOH, I put a cheap Berber
downstairs where the new cats are acclimating.  They do like to
scratch that!

Signature

Jean B., 12 miles west of Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Barb 1 - 27 Sep 2003 18:32 GMT
I put the second cheapest off-white berber carpet all over my downstairs and
up the staircase and soon will do the upstairs.  It looks beautiful and I
get compliments on it.  With three cats (including a baby kitten) they do
not seem to claw at it at all.  They have vertical and horizontal
scratchpads.

--
Barb
I can only please one person a day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
MaryL - 25 Sep 2003 23:09 GMT
> Just read about your problem.  My question is, "Who gave you an extremely
> large, expensive Persian rug, knowing you have a cat?"  Is it someone who
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> --
> Barb

That isn't at all necessary.  I have only had 1 declawed cat in my life (and
she was declawed before I adopted her).  I currently have 2 cats with all
claws intact.  I also have nice furniture, and some of it is furniture that
belonged to my parents and grandparents plus a number of antique pieces that
I bought about 35 years ago.

Results:  I have greatly loved cats, and no scratches on my furniture.  In
other words, it is not necessary to give up either cats with claws or nice
furniture.  It is not difficult to train a cat to use a scratching post.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)

Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's
integration into our household):
Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54
Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56
Yngver - 25 Sep 2003 23:23 GMT
>That isn't at all necessary.  I have only had 1 declawed cat in my life (and
>she was declawed before I adopted her).  I currently have 2 cats with all
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>other words, it is not necessary to give up either cats with claws or nice
>furniture.  It is not difficult to train a cat to use a scratching post.

I agree. It isn't an "either-or" situation. We have nice furnishings and three
cats with claws. They use their variety of scratching posts and leave the
furniture and rugs alone. Recently we took in a stray about 2-3 years old, and
it only took a week or so to teach her where to scratch.
Philip ? - 25 Sep 2003 08:08 GMT
> Hiya.
> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> advice?
> Thanks

I have a male tabby indoor only.  He's 13 yrs old.  Early on, I had a
small problem with rug clawing and like yourself, could not bring
myself to declaw.  So..... I got a small pair of cat paw clippers.
With a little technique and determination, I trained both of us how
"clipping" was GOING to be the solution.  Amazingly enough, the rug
clawing stopped until ... his talons started getting that little hook
on the ends again.  Time to clip.  "We" go thru this drill every 2
weeks but, it's worth it and I can get the job done in about 3
minutes.
--

  ~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
 with your education - Mark Twain"
Gia - 28 Sep 2003 18:27 GMT
> Hiya.
> Have a supremely annoying and occasionally affectionate 9-month old
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bored, stretching or deliberately misbehaving. Any advice?
> Thanks

First off God Bless you for not considering declawing.
Anyway, I know this may not seem really helpful but I'm amazed how it
helped both me at my house and also my mother. She has a rug somewhat
similar to the one you described and it's 100% wool.
We got those cardboard scratchers you find at the pet store or even in
most grocery stores for about $5 to $10 depending on what size you
get. Keep in covered in cat nip which usually comes with it. And the
cat's seem to love it SO much that they don't even touch the rug in
yours and my Mother's case, and my new living room suit in mine.
I know all cats don't like the same things but my mom has 4 cat's and
I have two and they ALL seem to LOVE the cardboard scratchers. Cosmic
Kitty puts out a nice one.
Good luck
Gia
 
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