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GrapplerGurl - 01 Jul 2005 02:57 GMT
I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
Georgie really does out there is roll around on the cement and then
eat grass. I'm not expecting him to ever go jogging with me but is
this the best it gets? Also, I've had out 3 times in about 1 1/2
weeks. As soon as I bring him in he starts meowing to go back out and
keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
than the obvious? Any info appreciated.
Candace - 01 Jul 2005 03:10 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
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> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

I "walk" one of my cats, Marbles.  He does a little more than roll and
eat grass, he sniffs around bushes and stuff, too.  I mostly just do it
in my yard, I don't really attempt to take him anywhere.  After awhile,
he will just lay down and watch birdies and I can read or something.
It's sort of relaxing.

I know of a few people (on this ng) who can actually get their cat to
walk but not many.

As for the "creating a monster," with them wanting to go out all the
time once you do that, I have the same issue.  I only do it on weekends
and then it takes him about 3 days to get over whining at the door to
go out.  Sometimes I don't know if it's worth it really.

Marbles wears a walking jacket which I learned about on this ng.  Pics
of him looking handsome in his red jacket can be seen here:

http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Candace
GrapplerGurl - 01 Jul 2005 03:30 GMT
>> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
>> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
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>
>Candace

Hey, that's a spiffy looking jacket. Where did you get it? Marbles
looks just like little Georgie. Little Georgie is still meowing as I
type this :()
Candace - 01 Jul 2005 03:38 GMT
> Hey, that's a spiffy looking jacket. Where did you get it? Marbles
> looks just like little Georgie. Little Georgie is still meowing as I
> type this :()

http://metpet.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/walkingjacket.html

They're supposed to be harder for them to wriggle out of than a regular
harness and also more comfy.  Actually, Marbles can wriggle out of it
if he really tries but he doesn't usually bother.

Candace
Candace - 01 Jul 2005 04:23 GMT
> Marbles looks just like little Georgie. Little Georgie is still meowing as I
> type this :()

Got any pics?

Candace
biggerbadderbarry - 01 Jul 2005 04:01 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I <...> to go back out and
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

LOL

Maybe you could use his great desire for the outdoors to teach him to
walk. I bet you wouldn't mind walking around the block a few times;
oppossed to the grazing.

when he whines to go back out, take him back out, but tell him, "We are
going for a walk".

When he does not walk, and will not follow; bring him back in after a
few mins.

The goal is to teach him that his ticket to being outside is to
co-operate or...try to learn what you are trying to teach him. Prod him
a little bit.

Pick him up and carry him 50 yards from the house, then put him down;
try to get him to go further with you. If he won't, you could at least
expect him to follow you home!

Who knows, maybe even back home and even past your house?

I'd like to hear how it goes with you.
clfr@adelphia.net - 01 Jul 2005 04:01 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
> Georgie really does out there is roll around on the cement and then
> eat grass. I'm not expecting him to ever go jogging with me but is
> this the best it gets?

One of my cats was kind of like that on leash. Would walk a few steps,
then just sort of ...plop.  Otoh, another one, Demelza, really got the
hang of it & would take a walk. I only walked her around the perimeter
of the house or in the backyard - usually sniffing at the plants that
border the neighbor's yard, or sniffing at my flower garden.  After
she'd walked around & explored enough, she'd then find a comfy place to
lie down - sometimes in the middle of the yard, sometimes over in the
shade of some hostas.  I'd usually take a book out with me, so that
when she got to this stage, I'd sit on the lawn & read.

Also, I've had out 3 times in about 1 1/2
> weeks. As soon as I bring him in he starts meowing to go back out and
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

Heh.;-) This is why I mentioned all of the above about Demelza in the
past tnese. <g> Demelza's now several years older but still around, but
I no longer take her for walks.  She'd repeatedly (like every 5 - 10
minutes!) go to the door & meow like crazy all day, begging & begging
to go back out. Since I took her for walks in the summer, & she was
therefore meowing/begging at an open door (at a closed a screen door),
I figured it was probably driving the neighbors almost as nuts as it
was driving me. As a result, I stopped taking her out for walks.  She
continued to beg for a while, but then appeared to forget about the
whole idea.  Sorry that I don't have some other great solution for that
problem.

I'm lucky in that I have a screened porch where the cats can spend a
lot of time; the screens run from floor to ceiling, so the cats can see
easily out. So they still get fresh air & can see a bunch of the sights
of the immediate neighborhood.  

Cathy
Candace - 01 Jul 2005 04:20 GMT
> I'm lucky in that I have a screened porch where the cats can spend a
> lot of time; the screens run from floor to ceiling, so the cats can see
> easily out. So they still get fresh air & can see a bunch of the sights
> of the immediate neighborhood.

The perfect solution, imho.  Someday...I'm going to have one.

Candace
clfr@adelphia.net - 01 Jul 2005 04:38 GMT
> > I'm lucky in that I have a screened porch where the cats can spend a
> > lot of time; the screens run from floor to ceiling, so the cats can see
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>
> Candace

This house was built in 1920, when porches - especially side or back
screened porches, or sunrooms - were "in".  So it was just a matter of
good luck that I liked (& could afford) & bought this house. ;-)  Some
houses of that era had upstairs screened "sleeping" porches - usually
built directly above the side or back screened porch or sunroom;
wouldn't mind one of those for these hot nights! :-)  But my luck went
only so far, & it ran out at that point...

I've seen ads for screens for porches to be built as add-ons to
existing houses; modular sort of screened panels, that snap into place
on a frame. Although I suppose it'd be easier of one already had a
patio, porch, or deck in place that could be screened - or partially
screened.

Cathy
Candace - 01 Jul 2005 05:43 GMT
> This house was built in 1920, when porches - especially side or back
> screened porches, or sunrooms - were "in".  So it was just a matter of
> good luck that I liked (& could afford) & bought this house. ;-)

I love old houses, the older the better.  My house is from 1947, which
for Phoenix is fairly old...although there are much older ones but it's
a "new" town so the majority of houses are much newer.

>Some
> houses of that era had upstairs screened "sleeping" porches - usually
> built directly above the side or back screened porch or sunroom;
> wouldn't mind one of those for these hot nights! :-)  But my luck went
> only so far, & it ran out at that point...

My grandparents had a house like that in Chicago.  My cousin still
lives in it, 80 some years later.  2 story house with a sleeping porch
on top of the other sleeping porch.

> I've seen ads for screens for porches to be built as add-ons to
> existing houses; modular sort of screened panels, that snap into place
> on a frame. Although I suppose it'd be easier of one already had a
> patio, porch, or deck in place that could be screened - or partially
> screened.

We do have a patio and actually it's enclosed on 3 sides by the house
so it only leaves one side to be screened.  It's just that there are
some "issues" with it like our a/c, heating, and evaporative cooler are
on the roof and that is Tony's preferred way of getting on the roof to
service it, etc.  It's actually uncovered (not too bright in Phx) so a
roof would prevent his access at that particular place and the other
problem is that there is a flower bed along one side of this enclosed
patio and if it were roofed and the other side screened in, all the
stuff in that bed would die from lack of light.  I need a way to have a
roof that can be partially slid back so Tony could get up there and
would also be partially clear or something so the plants wouldn't die.
Of course, I could transplant them all somewhere, I guess, but that
makes it a bigger project than I want.  It seems like it would have to
be custom built and that could get pricey.   I sure would like it,
though, it would be like having a whole other room.

Candace
jmc - 01 Jul 2005 07:47 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, GrapplerGurl exclaimed (01-Jul-05 2:57 AM):
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

Pressure and release is a training method for horses I've adapted for my
kitty, with good results.

I will gently pull her away from the grass each time, and gently
encourage her to walk by applying some pressure to the lead  if she
doesn't walk, then enough pressure to essentially force her to take a
step or two, then some slack, then some pressure to encourage her to
walk forward.  If she still doesn't, a bit more pressure to force a step
or two, then rinse and repeat.  Eventually she figured out what the
pressure meant, and the "force" bit - probably too strong a word - was
no longer necessary.  With Meep, this never degenerated to a sulk or
refusal to stand.

If that happens, use a lighter method:  keep steady pressure 'till the
cat stands up, then immediately release the pressure, then praise her.
Use the same amount of pressure to encourage forward motion, again
giving slack and praise as soon as she takes a step.

Always use only enough pressure to get the response you want.  Now, I
can just click the button on the flexi, and she'll stop grazing and move on.

We've never walked like a dog though - I can suggest a direction, but
really it's up to her.  She's learned commands like "back to the truck"
though, for when we travel.

jmc
IBen Getiner - 01 Jul 2005 08:01 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

You will do NOTHING except frightening you cat out of his mind if you
go take him out 'jogging', and don't think that you won;t. We tried
that with our Chester down by the lake, and he even tried to climb back
into his kat-karrier! The one little thing in his world that he truly
hates! (well, he hates little dogs too!). Your cat seems to do well
enough now and then with his lease, but my advice is not to push it to
the next level. You must resign yourself to this one fact, Gurl... You
cat is a KAT. He is not a dog. If you want a dog, I can recommend a
breed with which you and he both will have HOURS of nothing but
exhilaration and companionship.. He will live under the couch. You will
tell your husband that "HE'LL get used to THEM"! LOL...!!

                                IBen
Alison - 02 Jul 2005 18:44 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
> Georgie really does out there is roll around on the cement and then
> eat grass. >>>

Thats what cats do:) and sniff around a lot. They enjoy it !

>>I'm not expecting him to ever go jogging with me but is
> this the best it gets? >>>

Perhaps when he has more outings he will do more.  If you read Karen
Pryors Clicker training your cat , it tells you how to get your cat to
walk  leash and harness.   You start by getting the cat to touch the
end of a stick and click and treat when he does it , he'll soon follow
the stick and then you go on from there.

>>Also, I've had out 3 times in about 1 1/2
> weeks. As soon as I bring him in he starts meowing to go back out and
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.>>>>

A lot of cats that have outside access tend to prefer to go in and out
frequently.  Is it possible for you to fence your yard if you have one
or have a run so he can go in and out as he chooses?
   Alison
Philip - 03 Jul 2005 01:16 GMT
>> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
>> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
>> Georgie really does out there is roll around on the cement and then
>> eat grass. >>>
>
> Thats what cats do:) and sniff around a lot. They enjoy it !
snip

What about picking up fleas?
Rich C - 02 Jul 2005 21:02 GMT
> I just returned from the 3rd time out with my 2 1/2 year old cat which
> I adopted fromt he spca. Gave him time to get used the leash, all
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> keeps up pretty much the rest of the day. Any way to solve this other
> than the obvious? Any info appreciated.

We walk our two cats (one of them is Kady, who has been discussed here
recently.)

The older one, Koko, doesn't bug us to go out all the time. I think it
is because she associates her walk with a specific event. In our case,
it is the nightly walk of our Cocker Spaniel. If you only walk your cat
at a certain time of the day or in connection with a specific event,
such as after his feeding, he won't bug you all the time to go out. Kady
at this point is not really interested in going out for a walk although
she does.

When outside, the cats do walk some. Mostly they sniff and investigate
things, chase bugs, etc. They like climbing trees also. I let them go up
partway, then use the leash to coax them back down.

When walking, you need to keep coaxing them with a phrase, repeated
constantly, and accompanied by a tug on the leash. If they flop down,
pick them up again, saying the phrase, such as "Come on lets walk" or
something like that. Eventually they will walk with you some. But don't
ever expect them to walk like a dog does (at least Koko has not reached
that point in a year.) There may be some exceptions, however. I think
that maybe cats that grow up with a dog in the house tend to behave a
little bit like dogs, so perhaps we are getting farther with our cats
than non-dog owners would. Koko has been out with Gabby, the Cocker, at
the same time, and has seen what walking on the leash is all about.

We also walk our cats every night. Repetition is the key. I doubt that
walking them every 2 or 3 days will instill any kind of learning. If you
can get them to walk a little on their own and not bite at the leash or
harness you have made good progress.

Rich
 
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