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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005So what's happening re:Conan?
As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely confused. What is happening to Conan, is he being adopted, collected, rehomed or what? Helen M I just posted on a couple of other forums asking for anyone in the OC/LAX area who is looking for a cat to rescue Conan. It's on the Pet Forum Group Network (http://petsforum.com/) and in the Pets Forum on www.craigslist.org . I don't know if it will do any good, but putting out feelers can't hurt. I couldn't find the links to Conan's photos though. If anyone has them, please repost. Marjorie > As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely > confused. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG >I just posted on a couple of other forums asking for anyone in the OC/LAX >area who is looking for a cat to rescue Conan. It's on the Pet Forum Group >Network (http://petsforum.com/) and in the Pets Forum on www.craigslist.org >. I don't know if it will do any good, but putting out feelers can't hurt. >I couldn't find the links to Conan's photos though. If anyone has them, >please repost. http://petadoption.co.orange.ca.us/animals/ShowImage.asp?ID=A0700875&Type=Cat http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010174a.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010153.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010147.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010142.jpg > >I just posted on a couple of other forums asking for anyone in the OC/LAX > >area who is looking for a cat to rescue Conan. It's on the Pet Forum Group > >Network (http://petsforum.com/) and in the Pets Forum on www.craigslist.org > >. I don't know if it will do any good, but putting out feelers can't hurt. > >I couldn't find the links to Conan's photos though. If anyone has them, > >please repost. http://petadoption.co.orange.ca.us/animals/ShowImage.asp?ID=A0700875&Type=Ca t Thanks, Lorainne. Unfortunately, the top image from the shelter is not working. Do you have any idea of why, or is this just a really bad omen? Marjorie > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010174a.jpg > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010153.jpg > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010147.jpg > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010142.jpg >Thanks, Lorainne. Unfortunately, the top image from the shelter is not >working. Do you have any idea of why, or is this just a really bad omen? No. I don't know why. Actually, if you go to their main cat page at http://petadoption.co.orange.ca.us/animals/AdoptList.asp?type=Cat Conan is no longer listed there as he was this morning. They've removed him. I prefer to think of it as a good omen and he's found a good forever home. L. L. >I just posted on a couple of other forums asking for anyone in the OC/LAX > area who is looking for a cat to rescue Conan. It's on the Pet Forum Group [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Marjorie Conan: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010174a.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010153.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010147.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010142.jpg > I just posted on a couple of other forums asking for anyone in the OC/LAX > area who is looking for a cat to rescue Conan. It's on the Pet Forum Group [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Marjorie I put them on the Pet Forum. -L. > As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely > confused. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Helen M Well Helen, the short version is this. If good intentions are the most important, then the whole world is now safe. The Rescue Minions have tried to marshal their resources to get Conan out of the shelter ... which may be enough for them. If JUST getting Conan out of the shelter is the most important, then nothing has been accomplished. The cat is still there in a cage at the moment (June 28). The second step of locating a new home has been complicated by the "Find Conan's Made In Heaven Home" crowd. So really, the whole effort is stuck in committee right now. >> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely >> confused. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So really, the whole effort is stuck in committee right now. Perhaps YOU should tell us again how all this started. MLB >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely >>> confused. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Perhaps YOU should tell us again how all this started. MLB Hmmmmm. Silence. > >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely > >>> confused. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Hmmmmm. Silence. Is it me or does Philip seem awfully quiet since Conan was sprung? :) >> >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now >completely [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Is it me or does Philip seem awfully quiet since Conan was sprung? >:) Poor Widdle Arty, licking his wounds. I'm sure he'll pop in here with some lame attempt at damage control eventually, like Gaubster did a few months ago. I like it the best when they don't realize they received a fatal death blow, and go on full-force for awhile, then just sort of fade away slowly as the wound takes hold..... eq > > >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now > completely [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Is it me or does Philip seem awfully quiet since Conan was sprung? > :) lol he's probably down stalking the shelter to see if it's true! > > > >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now > > completely [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > lol he's probably down stalking the shelter to see if it's true! You know, actually, he is probably drinking his Ovaltine now, preparing to get up early in the morning and do just that. >> >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now > completely [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Is it me or does Philip seem awfully quiet since Conan was sprung? > :) Monica and her friends did your job in the proper manner. Swifty and without fanfare. The worst is over and Conan is on his way to a good home. The matter is closed so far as public discussion involving me is concerned. Mary, it has been said that you cannot rewrite history but, I will bet that you will try. > >> >>> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now > > completely [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Monica and her friends did your job in the proper manner. Swifty and > without fanfare. It was a committee, Philip. Make up your mind. > The worst is over and Conan is on his way to a good home. The matter is > closed so far as public discussion involving me is concerned. LOL! I just bet it is. Mary, it has > been said that you cannot rewrite history but, I will bet that you will try. It is all a matter of public record, you old wreck. :) >> As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely >> confused. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >So really, the whole effort is stuck in committee right now. What a goddamned **a.s**!!!!! It's June 28, and the cat is OUT of the shelter!! Like I said -- the next few weeks watching you backpeddle, squirm, spin and eat your words are gonna be priceless! That's if you don't tuck your tail and run away!!!! > As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely > confused. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Helen M I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's been chosen to be saved above all the thousands of other cats in US shelters. It seems people here have formed an attachment to him but I still don't know why. Helen > > As a UK poster I've been following the Conan saga, and am now completely > > confused. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > shelters. It seems people here have formed an attachment to him but I still > don't know why. Helen, just go back and READ the story. It began with a thread called "Rescue Cat" or something like that. Google Philip's earliest posts, he is the one who first adopted then abandoned him. Then figure it out for yourself. You know how factional these groups are. I could tell you why I think he got saved from almost certain euthanization today, and others would have another take. It is best to form your own opinion. > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. > He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Helen Phillip. That's why. They are so much in hatred of Phillip they want to be "Conan's Savior". Because you see, what Phillip did - returning a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - an action that the shelter recommends, in fact - is so "EVIL!" That's the only reason. If they really cared, they'd put as much time, effort and money into their local shelters, every week of every year. Like many others on the group do. -L. > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - Because the cat had a cold. "Couldn't handle" makes it sound like the cat was a biter or vicious or hyper. Let's not rewrite history, please.  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning > > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Let's not rewrite history, please. It was more than a cold. Bottom line, Philip did an excellent job forcing nutrients into the cat. The cat would not be as healthy today if it was not for Philip. Lets not rewrite history. > It was more than a cold. It recovered virtually overnight at the shelter, amazingly. > Bottom line, Philip did an excellent job > forcing nutrients into the cat. I used a syringe on my CRF cat until I finally admitted she was dying and suffering in the process, so I'm not a good person to tell what an "excellent" job he did "forcing nutrients" into a cat with a cold for the short time he had him. I also didn't come here and brag about how I got rid of the cat because it was defective. But it still misses the point. It was not a "handle" situation, as was implied. So I repeat: Let's not rewrite history. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > But it still misses the point. It was not a "handle" situation, as was > implied. > > So I repeat: Let's not rewrite history. > -- I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do you? The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold. Conan was aslo striken by his vaccine. I am no vet, but I said in the beginning, the cat should not have gotten a vaccine when it did. I am sure his white cell count was already through the roof with a fever. The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the snot flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck driver, doing extensive feedings and medications. This appeared to him, as well as his vet to be more than a cold. The only people who diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny. In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts. > The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the snot > flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck > driver, doing extensive feedings and medications. This appeared to him, > as well as his vet to be more than a cold. But not to the shelter veterinarians. His veterinarian did not suggest he get a second opinion, nor did he seek one. When Pudge stopped eating once, my veterinarian tried appropriate antibiotics, then offered to bring in a specialist to look down her throat. I agreed. Fortunately, the third antibiotic did the trick. By Philip's logic, a few days after she stopped eating I should have tossed her back onto the streets from whence she came since the illness was so hard to "handle" and the veterinarian couldn't fix it right away. And since it was costing me money. Or when Hodge developed a sudden fever on a Saturday, necessitating a $600 visit to the emergency hospital, catheter, antibiotics, follow-up, etc., I should have returned him to my veterinarian (from whom I'd gotten him) as defective. Pudge used to get colds. Yes, the snot flies. That's what a cold is. I paid a couple of thousand for her end-of-life care. I'd do the same for any responsibility I'd taken on. > The only people who > diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny. What did the shelter veterinarians diagnose him with since they found him to be healthy? Animals, like children and spouses, are a responsibility. If Philip can't handle a minor illness, which this was since it wore off pretty quickly and since the shelter veterinarians didn't seem to quarantine him or freak out, then he should not have gotten another cat. Heaven help it should it get sick, which it will, because living organisms do, you know. > In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts. In conclusion: I won't if you won't. ;) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the snot > > flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > was so hard to "handle" and the veterinarian couldn't fix it right away. > And since it was costing me money. That's hearsay, I've never taken Philip for this kind of person. What kind of person makes false claims about another person. > Or when Hodge developed a sudden fever on a Saturday, necessitating a > $600 visit to the emergency hospital, catheter, antibiotics, follow-up, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I paid a couple of thousand for her end-of-life care. I'd do the same > for any responsibility I'd taken on. Diane I don't doubt your care for you cats, I too will do what I am able if I'm ever faced with it. I always do. > > The only people who > > diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny. > > What did the shelter veterinarians diagnose him with since they found > him to be healthy? Does this include the medicine, love, and all the feedings Philip administered? Like it or not, Philip was a part of the cats recovery. He was nearing a deadline, and Philip himself said, he did not want to nurse a sick cat with his remaining days on earth. DENOTING, he was prepared to COMMIT to the cat for life. You say nothing of this. What Philip did, he counted the cost. He said, No, If the potential is there for me to have to care for him for the rest of my life, then "I have seen the futre", I wants a healthy cat. A soul for a soul! This was. One went in, and one came out. > Animals, like children and spouses, are a responsibility. If Philip > can't handle a minor illness, which this was since it wore off pretty > quickly and since the shelter veterinarians didn't seem to quarantine > him or freak out, then he should not have gotten another cat. Heaven > help it should it get sick, which it will, because living organisms do, > you know. Don't lecture me about responsibility! Like I say, Philip made an exchange, and he was wise in counting the cost. He only had the facts given to him by professionals. > > In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts. > > In conclusion: I won't if you won't. ;) Little up-town girl livin in whitebred world. >> In article <1120007423.612289.41440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, snip >> Animals, like children and spouses, are a responsibility. If Philip >> can't handle a minor illness, which this was since it wore off pretty >> quickly and since the shelter veterinarians didn't seem to quarantine >> him or freak out, then he should not have gotten another cat. Heaven >> help it should it get sick, which it will, because living organisms do, >> you know. You had audience with ALL the vets involved? You missed the numerous mentions of quarantine and isolation and Zythromycin. Your rush to make judgments with so little appreciation of the situation and variables in play is truly appalling. And your foolish likening of cats to spouses and especially children paints you the hyper hysterical villiage idiot. Rest assured you have company. > Does this include the medicine, love, and all the feedings Philip > administered? Like it or not, Philip was a part of the cats recovery. > He was nearing a deadline, and Philip himself said, he did not want to > nurse a sick cat with his remaining days on earth. DENOTING, he was > prepared to COMMIT to the cat for life. You say nothing of this. I'm answering this only because, quite honestly, I don't understand it. I say nothing of this because those statements contradict one another. "Did not want to nurse a sick cat" and "prepared to commit" are opposites. As for love, Philip, as Rhonda noted, never expressed regret at taking him back. Most people who love would have been torn. His attitude, as presented, has been been of one toward a possession, not a living being. In reality, he may feel differently, and he undoubtedly enjoys pulling chains or he wouldn't present himself in such a fashion in the first place. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > Does this include the medicine, love, and all the feedings Philip > > administered? Like it or not, Philip was a part of the cats recovery. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "Did not want to nurse a sick cat" and "prepared to commit" are > opposites. Nursing v.s. Takeback are opposite, they everything to do with Philip counting the cost. I think it is wise to consider the cost. Maybe Philip knows his own boundries. > As for love, Philip, as Rhonda noted, never expressed regret at taking > him back. Most people who love would have been torn. His attitude, as > presented, has been been of one toward a possession, not a living being. > In reality, he may feel differently, and he undoubtedly enjoys pulling > chains or he wouldn't present himself in such a fashion in the first > place. Iiii think this is just indicitive of a public group. But you know what, Philip did express remorse to have to return the cat. (More than once) yep, he sure did. >> As for love, Philip, as Rhonda noted, never expressed regret at taking >> him back. Most people who love would have been torn. His attitude, as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cat. > (More than once) yep, he sure did. I'm not one to go all soppy and maudlin over anything in public and certainly not here. Diane wants a soap or romance novel to cry over and get some vicarious experience from. Get a life, woman. IN the meantime, Diane might try word searching: "conflicted." That's as soppy as I get in public. Barry what you fail to mention is that even before Conan Fillup had proven himself a giant a.shole...........and you jumping on his bandwagon isn't exactly a ringing endorsement ......I don't know the entire situation you don't either only Fillup knows what was really going on.......we only know what he told us....... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Barry what you fail to mention is that even before Conan Fillup had > proven himself a giant a.shole...........and you jumping on his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brad Brad, your crotch must be really sore from riding the fence for so long. Sure we know what's going on. Now as far as the comments Philip may make to other members esp where they have nothing to do with Conan? that's between them. >> Barry what you fail to mention is that even before Conan Fillup had >> proven himself a giant a.shole...........and you jumping on his [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >make to other members esp where they have nothing to do with Conan? >that's between them. Well, there's the level-headed, "depressive" response. Now in a little while we should see Barry's manic half popping in and rebutting himself while frothing at the mouth...... eq > Well, there's the level-headed, "depressive" response. Now in a little > while we should see Barry's manic half popping in and rebutting himself > while frothing at the mouth...... > > eq I'm sorry if you've been feeling left out, I didn't mean to slight you from my danties! aha! you was looking back to see if I was looking back...or something like that. >> Barry what you fail to mention is that even before Conan Fillup had >> proven himself a giant a.shole...........and you jumping on his [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >make to other members esp where they have nothing to do with Conan? >that's between them. Bullshit this is a public forum if they want it to be between themselves they should use email......whats printed here is hardly private..... Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Bullshit this is a public forum if they want it to be between > themselves they should use email......whats printed here is hardly > private..... > > Brad le hehehe comme vous donnent une déchirure à sens unique ou l'autre- DITES-MOI VOUS CLOU À TÊTE PERDUE de SOIN ! ! ! GRAND ÂNE ! Je suis sûr quand vous avez obtenu votre ordinateur que vous nepourriez pas attendre pour découvrir le monde des newsgroup...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh dehahahahahahahahahahhahahaha ! Bosse mon type de poteau. Léchez ma merde. numéro.léchez les roids sanglants de Philip ! mutherfucker de fagot ! robinet de nibblin de robinet suçant le fagot ! vous avez fait bungholed tellement que vous ne pouvez pas même faireun bruit quand vous fart ! Retentit plus comme le queff humide ! tête de fente de fuckin > I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do you? > The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold. > > Conan was aslo striken by his vaccine. I am no vet, but I said in the > beginning, the cat should not have gotten a vaccine when it did. I am > sure his white cell count was already through the roof with a fever. No, he should not have. > The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the snot > flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck > driver, doing extensive feedings and medications. This appeared to him, > as well as his vet to be more than a cold. The only people who > diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny. No,it's sad. > In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts. Thank you. For once, you actually make sense. ;) -L. > > I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do you? > > The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -L. Wahahahahaha! You have been reduced to allying with the rpchb Village Idiot. :) Any port in a storm, eh Lynnie? lol >> > I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do you? >> > The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Wahahahahaha! You have been reduced to allying with the > rpchb Village Idiot. :) Any port in a storm, eh Lynnie? lol Well, it is time to put you back in the kill file, Mary. > >> > I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do you? > >> > The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Well, it is time to put you back in the kill file, Mary. Well, try not to hurt yourself doing it, Philip. :) I was talking about Barry, but you're in the same league so what the hell. > Well, try not to hurt yourself doing it, Philip. :) > I was talking about Barry, but you're in the same league > so what the hell. You may as well hate me, cause you damn sho can't have me. Hell, I'll even give you a reason if it helps. >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message >news:42c20045_1@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >I was talking about Barry, but you're in the same league >so what the hell. > > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning > > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - > > Because the cat had a cold. And wasn't eating and possibly had other things wrong with him- Phillip didn't know how sick Conan actually was, and based on what his vet told him, he could have been very sick. He doesn't have the experience to know it was "just a cold" if, in fact, that's what it really was. >"Couldn't handle" makes it sound like the > cat was a biter or vicious or hyper. I don't have any control of what you read into my words. The truth is, Phillip was in over his head with the cat - he had bad medical advice and did what he thought was best for the cat. He couldn't handle the situation (yes "the cat") as it was. He returned the cat to the shelter which is *exactly* what he is supposed based on their own policy. > Let's not rewrite history, please. Keep beating this dead horse, Diane. Whip, whip, whip! -L. > > > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning > > > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Keep beating this dead horse, Diane. Whip, whip, whip! LOL!! Yes, indeed. And don't let the truth get in the way of your agenda, Lyn. Another clue, because I care so much: there are people here who read all the posts. BEFORE the comment. If they made "Stupid" a class in the Olympics, you might be a winner for the first time in your life. Maybe. >> > > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning >> > > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > LOL!! Yes, indeed. And don't let the truth get in the way of your agenda, > Lyn. snip A VERY predictable course of yours Mary, is to accuse the other person of what you are continually guilty of. >> > > Because you see, what Phillip did - returning >> > > a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >If they made "Stupid" a class in the Olympics, you might >be a winner for the first time in your life. Maybe. Anyone who read every single Conan post has way to much time on their hands......and why should we read them all Mary.....is it because your name came up about three or four posts throughout the whole thing.....why would anyone want to read the bickering and name calling.. ?? Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > > Let's not rewrite history, please. > > Keep beating this dead horse, Diane. Whip, whip, whip! Of course. I'll let you rewrite the story AND get the last word. Happy now? ;) For someone who came charging in on the dead horse and said they didn't read the saga, you sure have some strong opinions about it. Is this what your moderated list/group will be like? Just curious. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > Of course. I'll let you rewrite the story AND get the last word. Happy > now? ;) For someone who came charging in on the dead horse and said they > didn't read the saga, you sure have some strong opinions about it. I did read it. I said so. You must have missed that post in all your humping. > Is this what your moderated list/group will be like? Just curious. Not unless you're there, sweetie. -L. > > Of course. I'll let you rewrite the story AND get the last word. Happy > > now? ;) For someone who came charging in on the dead horse and said they > > didn't read the saga, you sure have some strong opinions about it. > > I did read it. I said so. You must have missed that post in all your > humping. You initially said you didn't. You're correct; I don't eagerly read every post here and may have missed you saying later that you had. I have no idea what you mean by "humping," either. > > Is this what your moderated list/group will be like? Just curious. > > Not unless you're there, sweetie. You know, I've been polite to you and carefully avoided getting personal. (The "nice" was directed at the action of the guy who dropped his cat off at a kill shelter). The fact that you now feel a need to hurl the sarcastic insults puts you in a class similar to all the people you're so upset with for their comments about Philip. I'm sorry to see that. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > > Of course. I'll let you rewrite the story AND get the last word. Happy > > > now? ;) For someone who came charging in on the dead horse and said they [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you're so upset with for their comments about Philip. I'm sorry to see > that. Very classy response, Diane. Unfortunately she got even crasser with me (accusing my of felony animal abuse - of burning my own cat right after I went through 7 different hells, taking two weeks off work to care for, 24/7, my precious fur-baby who was injured during a routine dental cleaning - and then calling me a half-rotted dildo) and I was angry enough to flame her @$$ back. I'm sorry now that I did - it's never fun to lower yourself to that level and wallow in the dirt with them (but I hope you can, in a small way, understand the frustration with this type of idiocy that caused it). Hugs, CatNipped > You know, I've been polite to you and carefully avoided getting > personal. Oh Bullshit - you've been a smarmy bitch for years. I don't even know why I bothered reading your drivel in the first place. -L. > > You know, I've been polite to you and carefully avoided getting > > personal. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L. Ahhhh! Now, agreeing with me equals being just as bad as me. I am becoming the center of the Universe in Lynnie' s Head! :) >> You know, I've been polite to you and carefully avoided getting >> personal. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >-L. Because you didn't have the luxury of being the moderator and being able to delete other people's posts for doing the same things you do? eq > >> You know, I've been polite to you and carefully avoided getting > >> personal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Because you didn't have the luxury of being the moderator and being able > to delete other people's posts for doing the same things you do? Yep. Like saying "a.shole" is "posting filth" when I do it but calling someone a "half-rotted dildo" is okay when Jonathan's Mom Lyn aka usenetlyn@yahoo.com does it. > > Of course. I'll let you rewrite the story AND get the last word. Happy > > now? ;) For someone who came charging in on the dead horse and said they > > didn't read the saga, you sure have some strong opinions about it. > > I did read it. I said so. You must have missed that post in all your > humping. You did NOT read it, and said so last night! God this is fun to watch. >> > Let's not rewrite history, please. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Is this what your moderated list/group will be like? Just curious. Yep! Just curious...... eq Philip is the one who said he didn't want to spend the money to have any lab work done on the cat, so no, he didn't know it was just a cold. He also said he "exchanged" Conan for a kitten. Put whatever spin you want on it - anyone can just google and find out why Philip is being "vilified"! > Philip is the one who said he didn't want to spend the money to have any lab > work done on the cat, so no, he didn't know it was just a cold. He also > said he "exchanged" Conan for a kitten. Put whatever spin you want on it - > anyone can just google and find out why Philip is being "vilified"! Here is a woman who speaks with no small experience who has a larger grip on reality than most people I know. I can say this because, it matters not how things came to be, but what is it going to take to bring a solution to pass. Life is valueable to spend it on the past. You also show compassion and mercy, these are beautiful traits, they don't come over night, or even just for the asking, but they are fruits of laboring in the garden of life, and experience. Dear Lady, go in peace, peace is yours, peace before you, peace behind you, Peace overtake you! all your hearts desires be given to you! The same to all those that concern you, that touch your life. > > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. > > He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > money into their local shelters, every week of every year. Like many > others on the group do. It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish everything were this easy. *~sigh~* "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote: >>>I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>money into their local shelters, every week of every year. Like many >>others on the group do. People definitely villified Philip, but that is simply a load of crap to imply that Conan got saved just because people hate Philip. Conan got focused on because the people on here love cats and got attached to his individual story. I do not agree with the things that are spewed around here at times, but it comes from all sides. Philip was not and still is not innocent when it comes to fanning the flames. I wish I could have done something to help Conan, but I'm just glad he is getting another chance. Right now, that is one less cat that needs to be saved. And that is a good thing. rambling cuz i cant sleep for a change, Pam > People definitely villified Philip, but that is simply a load of crap to > imply that Conan got saved just because people hate Philip. That's nnot what I said. That's why the iniitial rescue was institued, though. >Conan got > focused on because the people on here love cats and got attached to his [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is getting another chance. Right now, that is one less cat that needs to > be saved. And that is a good thing. Yep. I'm just glad the deed got done. -L. > > People definitely villified Philip, but that is simply a load of crap to > > imply that Conan got saved just because people hate Philip. > > That's nnot what I said. That's why the iniitial rescue was institued, > though. NO, it is not. How Conan must have been feeling after being offered a home then dumped back at the shelter is why "the initial rescue was instituted." Get your agenda regarding me out of the way and you may be able to see that. > > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. > > He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > money into their local shelters, every week of every year. Like many > others on the group do. It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish everything were this easy. *~sigh~* >> > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going > on. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish > everything were this easy. *~sigh~* A classic example of self destruction is yourself ... day in ... day out. Mary is her own worst enemy. > > It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. > > All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish > > everything were this easy. *~sigh~* > > > A classic example of self destruction is yourself ... day in ... day out. > Mary is her own worst enemy. Hee! Whatever makes you feel better, Philip. BTW--Katherine duped you. She volunteered your full name. I did not ask. And it was not one of her underlings. >> > It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. >> > All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > duped you. She volunteered your full name. I did not ask. And > it was not one of her underlings. Another one of your manipulations, Mary. Excuse me, *lies* > >> > It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. > >> > All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Another one of your manipulations, Mary. Excuse me, *lies* I'm afraid not, Crusty. In fact I related the story to at least one other person who posts here, long before this discussion came up. Katherine is a slippery one. I was right not to trust her "re-evaluation" dates or other information. It is all CYA with her. >> >> > It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad. >> >> > All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >her "re-evaluation" dates or other information. It is all CYA >with her. Didn't Arty say more than once that "Arthur" was an alias I was pinning on him? If so, then what is he inferring now? eq <equalizer> > Didn't Arty say more than once that "Arthur" was an alias I was pinning > on him? If so, then what is he inferring now? > > eq Find something constructive to contribute. ><equalizer> > Didn't Arty say more than once that "Arthur" was an alias I >was pinning [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Find something constructive to contribute. Live by your words, don't just spout them. eq >>> Hee! Whatever makes you feel better, Philip. BTW--Katherine >>> duped you. She volunteered your full name. I did not ask. And [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > her "re-evaluation" dates or other information. It is all CYA > with her. All she has is a computer screen to read from. That information can be edited and/or ammended by other office workers at any time. She also is in a supervisory capacity. There are California privacy laws she has to observe. Personally, I don't trust any Office Pukes because they all play the CYA game. It's in their job description. But you are not trustworthy either when it comes to telling the truth. You play the manipulations games as every turn ... you live for it. >>> > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going >> on. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >A classic example of self destruction is yourself ... day in ... day out. >Mary is her own worst enemy. And you were Conan's. But no more........no more......... > > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. > > He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. And what authority are you to make this statement without viewing our checkbooks monthly? How do you personally know who does and does not contribute monthly to their shelter? Trish > And what authority are you to make this statement without viewing our > checkbooks monthly? How do you personally know who does and does not > contribute monthly to their shelter? > > Trish Honestly, I don't give a sh.t - they either do or they don't. But Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the shelters. All this brou-ha-ha only came about because of Phillip - and the "rescue club"'s need to vilify him. -L. > > And what authority are you to make this statement without viewing our > > checkbooks monthly? How do you personally know who does and does not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -L. You just look smaller and more petty and miserable with every post. Go, Lynn! > Honestly, I don't give a sh.t - they either do or they don't. But > Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the > shelters. All this brou-ha-ha only came about because of Phillip - > and the "rescue club"'s need to vilify him. No, he's not. I decided to help in my limited capacity because it's a cat I knew, in a way. I know that might sound lame, but there it is. It was in no way to vilify Philip. I and others on here tried to help Philip through nursing Conan back, encourage him that Conan will get over it, it is just a URI. He did not post about the vet giving him such a dire prediction and high cost estimate until after he returned Conan. He also stated that the shelter was a high-kill facility. From what we know now about the shelter, it doesn't sound that high kill. What did I get in return for trying to help Philip? I got called a stupid woman and other insults. I never once insulted his age, although I think he did piss me off enough to say f.ck off or something like that. Oh, I called him Archie Bunker for making racist comments in the police/drug dealer thread, that was before Conan. I'm glad that Conan was rescued, and I'm still doing what I can here to help the local cats. I had no ego involved in trying to help Conan. I committed the sin of wanting to know more about Charlie before we went to such extrodinary lengths to get the cat to him. Forgive me for wanting to screen a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now. Signature-Kelly I committed > the sin of wanting to know more about Charlie before we went to such > extrodinary lengths to get the cat to him. Forgive me for wanting to screen > a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now. > > -- > -Kelly No!, You convicted Charlie without a trail, you never even heard his side of it, and you said you would not adopt to him. I was personally SHOCKED at the great care he gave the rooster. > > Honestly, I don't give a sh.t - they either do or they don't. But > > Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > extrodinary lengths to get the cat to him. Forgive me for wanting to screen > a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now. I am grateful to every element that helped get this cat into safe hands. I thank both you and Cheryl, though I do not question your motives. I do question hers. But that is all water under the bridge now too. :) > I am grateful to every element that helped get this cat into > safe hands. I thank both you and Cheryl, though I do not > question your motives. I do question hers. But that is all water > under the bridge now too. :) :p~~~~~ That's a big 'ol raspberry in your general direction. My feelings were the same as Kelly's. You just said that because you hate me. Your emotional outburst is noted. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > I am grateful to every element that helped get this cat into > > safe hands. I thank both you and Cheryl, though I do not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > were the same as Kelly's. You just said that because you hate me. > Your emotional outburst is noted. I do not hate you. I hate only Philip. I do, however, question your motives. Just as I said. *looking for a handkerchief to wipe off your spit cooties* >> Honestly, I don't give a sh.t - they either do or they don't. But >> Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I knew, in a way. I know that might sound lame, but there it is. It was > in no way to vilify Philip. SAY WHAAAAT? Let me pick my jaw off the desk! > I and others on here tried to help Philip through nursing Conan back, > encourage him that Conan will get over it, it is just a URI. He did not > post about the vet giving him such a dire prediction and high cost > estimate until after he returned Conan. He also stated that the shelter > was a high-kill facility. From what we know now about the shelter, it > doesn't sound that high kill. The resentment EXPLODED the moment I made a decision, based on my vet's examination of Conan. None of the people here laid hands on Conan. Remember that. Also, who amoung you is a vet? Or asked specific questions from a DVM perspective? > What did I get in return for trying to help Philip? I got called a stupid > woman and other insults. I never once insulted his age, although I think > he did piss me off enough to say f.ck off or something like that. Oh, I > called him Archie Bunker for making racist comments in the police/drug > dealer thread, that was before Conan. That's ok. LOL > I'm glad that Conan was rescued, and I'm still doing what I can here to > help the local cats. I had no ego involved in trying to help Conan. I > committed the sin of wanting to know more about Charlie before we went to > such extrodinary lengths to get the cat to him. Forgive me for wanting to > screen a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now. What you did is 'kin to continued voicing of a dissenting opinion after the decision has been made to go to war. > SAY WHAAAAT? Let me pick my jaw off the desk! Believe it or not, my motivation was only to save Conan. Had nothing to do with you. > The resentment EXPLODED the moment I made a decision, based on my vet's > examination of Conan. None of the people here laid hands on Conan. > Remember that. Also, who amoung you is a vet? Or asked specific > questions from a DVM perspective? You never posted anything about the vet giving such a grave prognosis and the expensive tests until after you returned Conan. You simply stopped posting about him for a couple days. I thought you were doing really good with the force feeding and medication and I was trying to encourage you and give you hope that he would get better. It was after you returned him that you posted about what the vet said "cut your losses" and you also stated that it was a high kill shelter. That is what got me so mad. If you had posted about the vet earlier, I'm sure everyone on here would have said get a second opinion. No, I'm not a vet, but I do volunteer in a shelter and have nursed many, many cats through bad URI's and worse. That's the experience I was drawing on to give you advice. Also, if I had known that the shelter was not high kill, I wouldn't have been nearly as incensed about you returning him. Pissed, yeah, but not outraged. -Kelly <snip> > Forgive me for wanting to screen > a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now. Well, that should have been done in the first place. I don't think anyone who does any sort of rescue effort wouldn't agree. -L. I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the "rescue club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to vilify Philip, although I've made it clear I did not agree with his decision. I wanted Conan out of there, he had too much bad luck for one little cat. Philip's attitude after taking Conan back showed no signs of compassion. That topic is a dead horse for sure, but Conan needed help. Rhonda > Honestly, I don't give a sh.t - they either do or they don't. But > Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the > shelters. All this brou-ha-ha only came about because of Phillip - > and the "rescue club"'s need to vilify him. > > -L. > I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the > "rescue club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rhonda Thanks so much, Rhonda, for everything! We will all sleep easier tonight!! :) Rhonda ... what qualifications do you posses to act as judge and jury over what is sufficent expression of compassion? You've been watching too many soap operas. >I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the "rescue >club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to vilify [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> -L. > Rhonda ... what qualifications do you posses to act as judge and jury over > what is sufficent expression of compassion? Good question. Let's see -- saying something even remotely like "I hated to see him go back" or "I had such a hard time taking him back" or even "I hope I did the right thing, it was such a tough decision". This is a long shot, but maybe "I got tears in my eyes when I handed over the carrier." Instead, one day you announced that you were waiting for Conan's "replacement" to be able to leave the shelter, and made comments like why didn't I realize that short-time ownership made it much easier to take him back? > You've been watching too many soap operas. Only this one. Rhonda > I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the > "rescue club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Philip's attitude after taking Conan back showed no signs of compassion. I disagree. > That topic is a dead horse for sure, but Conan needed help. > > Rhonda Well, FWIW, you also weren't posting every 5 minutes (and on multiple ngs) about how evil Phillip was and about your efforts to try to do something. You did it without fanfare and publicity - which those who I believe had alterior motives, did. It doesn't matter now. Conan is not at risk for euth and hopefully will get a great home. -L. > > I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the > > "rescue club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > something. You did it without fanfare and publicity - which those who > I believe had alterior motives, did. You are such an a.shole. Do you really think anyone by this time is interested in what you believe, Ms. "there is no reality, only perception?" *snort* >> > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going > on. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Trish Same question to you, Trish > > And what authority are you to make this statement without viewing our > > checkbooks monthly? How do you personally know who does and does not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Same question to you, Trish Exactly how many times were you dropped on your head as a child? The question is moot to me, I don't assume to know who does what with their money and donations, read the full post and you'll understand why I answered what I did... Bwahhhh why am I even answering you.... go back to your preparation H and delusions. Trish > > I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on. > > He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. Oh please! Philip dumped the cat because the cat had a cold and he didn't want to pay the vet bill. I don't think he ever really wanted Conan to begin with. He came on here posting about how he wanted a Bengal cat, but I think because some people were encouraging him to adopt, he thought he make himself out to be some sort of hero. Now if you really care, STFU > Oh please! Philip dumped the cat because the cat had a cold and > he didn't want to pay the vet bill. I don't think he ever > really wanted Conan to begin with. He came on here posting > about how he wanted a Bengal cat, but I think because some > people were encouraging him to adopt, he thought he make himself > out to be some sort of hero. Now if you really care, STFU I have to disagree Lauren. It might have been about a vet bill, but I think from what I read, it was more about the care it took between the meds and the force-feeding. I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but many people don't expect to adopt a cat that after a week or so they can't nurse back to health. If over ones head, grab a life preserver. (gosh, I sound like Barry now) People expecting to adopt a young healthy cat don't expect to have to deal with illness that makes them force-feed. It can be overwhelming. I also think he got the message from everyone about shelter cats needing homes and now he's probably got a bad taste in his mouth by doing so, when he could have had all the health interaction with the breeder had he bought a Bengal. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > I have to disagree Lauren. It might have been about a vet bill, but > I think from what I read, it was more about the care it took [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > expecting to adopt a young healthy cat don't expect to have to deal > with illness that makes them force-feed. It can be overwhelming. I think we probably all have differing opinions on the situation. My take, and I have to admit I didn't read all the posts, was that he, as he so eloquently put it, got a cat from the bargain bin, and didn't want to pay the $300 vet bill. Yes, I know taking care of an ill animal can be very overwhelming but we do what we have to. I adopted a cat with asthma and have had 2 cats with CRF so I understand7888888888888888888(sorry Mickey was typing). I guess if Philip hadn't continually posted his trollish behavior, goading people about finding Conan a home, I might have a bit of empathy for him. I guess I just couldn't imagine after adopting an animal ever giving it back, and I'm just glad Conan is on his way to a forever home. Lauren > > with illness that makes them force-feed. It can be overwhelming. > > I think we probably all have differing opinions on the situation. My > take, and I have to admit I didn't read all the posts, was that he, as > he so eloquently put it, got a cat from the bargain bin, and didn't > want to pay the $300 vet bill. He felt the vet was being disingenuous. If he had continued to post, maybe someone could have suggested a second opinion - which is what he really needed. I think he understands this now. > Yes, I know taking care of an ill > animal can be very overwhelming but we do what we have to. I adopted a > cat with asthma and have had 2 cats with CRF so I > understand7888888888888888888(sorry Mickey was typing). Well, you aren't in your 70s and in poor health, either. >I guess if > Philip hadn't continually posted his trollish behavior, goading people > about finding Conan a home, I might have a bit of empathy for him. Understood. He has been his own worst enemy in some regards. -L. > I also think he got the message from everyone about shelter cats > needing homes and now he's probably got a bad taste in his mouth by > doing so, when he could have had all the health interaction with > the breeder had he bought a Bengal. This would be a viable reason had he not gotten a kitten at the dropoff point for Conan. If it was the words about shelter cats that made him return Conan then why adopt another immediately. Sorry, but your reasoning isn't logical here. Trish >> I also think he got the message from everyone about shelter cats >> needing homes and now he's probably got a bad taste in his mouth by [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Trish You make fatal assumption when you say "If it was the words about shelter cats that made him return Conan..." Did you miss the part about Conan being sick? OC Shelter does not give refunds on adoptions. Only exchanges. And you only get two of those, for a total of three animals. Monday that I returned Conan, it was suggested I check the "Showcase Arrivals" which were a couple of litters from foster homes in separate cages. So, with the vested money as it was, I chose a fresh kitten for several reasons. So far, so good. >> Oh please! Philip dumped the cat because the cat had a cold and >> he didn't want to pay the vet bill. I don't think he ever [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > doing so, when he could have had all the health interaction with > the breeder had he bought a Bengal. The kennel cough and possible(?) reaction to the entire vaccination package and God knows whatever else combined to convince my vet (at the time) to make her recommendation to return Conan. The experience HAS soured me on ever recommending a shelter rescue. That is for sure. Kitten Omar ... sniffles and sneezing for 6 days. But Omar did not lose his appetite or exhibit any of the other symptoms Conan exhibited. &n |
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