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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005moderated health and behavior newsgroup
We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as Yahoo, etc. Would anyone here be interested in participating? If so, please send me an email - address in header is valid. Thanks! -L. > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -L. lol! I think this is a great idea. > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -L. Your effort will die like this one is dying. Why? Because this topic attracts those who are infatuated with cats as surrogate partners and/or children. That these people are mostly women speaks to why this kind of a forum cannot survive unmoderated. > Your effort will die like this one is dying. Why? Because this topic > attracts those who are infatuated with cats as surrogate partners and/or > children. That these people are mostly women speaks to why this kind of a > forum cannot survive unmoderated. It will be a *moderated* group, Phillip. Read the header. You (and anyone) are welcome to join us for real cat h+b discussion, if you'd like. -L. >> Your effort will die like this one is dying. Why? Because this topic >> attracts those who are infatuated with cats as surrogate partners [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. I read the header but it needed to be fleshed out. ;^) Thank you for the invite. Hopefully there will be yourself and a counterbalancing male moderator only. ;^) That this forum turned into a womans club is a large part of it's downfall. > I read the header but it needed to be fleshed out. ;^) > > Thank you for the invite. Hopefully there will be yourself and a > counterbalancing male moderator only. ;^) That this forum turned into a > womans club is a large part of it's downfall. I don't know who will moderate, yet. We haven't discussed it. I will try my best to be gender-neutral for you. ;) -L. > > I read the header but it needed to be fleshed out. ;^) > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. Oh, yeah, Lynnie. Go to your new group and PLEASE take Philip with you! :) > Oh, yeah, Lynnie. Go to your new group and PLEASE take > Philip with you! :) Very nice Mizz Mary, this is exactly what the problem is, a ton of bull sh.t to weed through just to try and find the point of a thread. Example, I have no idea what is the story with "Conan" the cat becuase I don't have the time or motivation (after working outside under the hot Arizona summer sun) to weed through the female bitch fest bickering. I wish Conan well however. Women, can't live with them, can't shoot 'em. See you in hell Madam, Karl. > > Oh, yeah, Lynnie. Go to your new group and PLEASE take > > Philip with you! :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't have the time or motivation (after working outside under the > hot Arizona summer sun) Dude, I just got back from AZ. You deserve canonization if you work outside there, during the summer. :) -L. > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -L. Good idea! I think you'll enjoy being a moderator! > > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Good idea! I think you'll enjoy being a moderator! WAHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as > Yahoo, etc. Would anyone here be interested in participating? Conceivably, though in reality probably not. (How's that for clear? I wouldn't be an early adopter [heh] anyway). >From my experience with moderated groups, the actual quality of moderation is very important - and it's all too easy for this not to obtain. It's a bit like that old saw that people who want power should explicitly not have it. Plus, it's often the case that any insults and such just become more underhand and designed to slip under the moderator's radar; they don't really disappear. YMMV. Steve. > > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as > > Yahoo, etc. Would anyone here be interested in participating? > > Conceivably, though in reality probably not. (How's that for clear? I > wouldn't be an early adopter [heh] anyway). Send me your email address if you want more info. I just want a venue to really discuss the supposed topic on-hand. -L. > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -L. Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - periodically occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't interest me. I tried one once, & basically found it to be a PITA - to have every innocuous post vetted, to have the lag time - esp. if the moderator was busy doing something else, etc. Plus, outside of the true trolls, seeing the diversity of people "out there" - whom one wouldn't normally meet IRL, can be interesting. Sometimes exasperating, but interesting. ;-) IMO. Cathy > Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - periodically > occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't interest me. I tried [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cathy That's not how this works. It's moderated in that if someone posts crap they get warned once and then kicked off if it happens again. The offending posts get deleted. There is more than one moderator usually, so the crap doesn't stay on the ng for long. It works quite well, actually. -L. >> Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - >> periodically occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -L. After thinking more about it, I'd be for a moderated Usenet group, but only if it didn't discourage true debating. Name calling and the like I can do without. Debates that don't denigrate into flamewars. Something like rec.pets.cats.health+behav.moderated. Have a clear set of rules for posts that should be bounced, and not stray away from that just because of personality differences. I'd go for that.  SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > After thinking more about it, I'd be for a moderated Usenet group, > but only if it didn't discourage true debating. Exactly. Nothing wrong with a healthy debate. :) > Name calling and > the like I can do without. Debates that don't denigrate into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Cheryl The problem is that getting a Usenet group approved now is next to impossible - and getting servers to carry it is, as well. -L. >> After thinking more about it, I'd be for a moderated Usenet >> group, but only if it didn't discourage true debating. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -L. I'll talk to some people. "rec" is in the big 8 hierarchy, so it's a little different and admittedly more difficult, but if approved, most if not all news servers automatically pick up the big 8. I think there's a clear need. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > >> After thinking more about it, I'd be for a moderated Usenet > >> group, but only if it didn't discourage true debating. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > most if not all news servers automatically pick up the big 8. I > think there's a clear need. There really is. We could lose a bunch of whiners. Good luck! > I >> think there's a clear need. > > There really is. We could lose a bunch of whiners. Good luck! So we can count on your vote when/if it comes time for a RFV? That'd be how to make it work! SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > I > >> think there's a clear need. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So we can count on your vote when/if it comes time for a RFV? That'd > be how to make it work! You bet! But you know damned well they are not going to allow you to create another rec. group. Buzzard can (or knows some people who can) create an alt.group for you with no hassles at all. Then if enough people ask for it, servers will add it. No reason not to go for the rec. group, but perhaps an alternative plan. >>> Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - >>> periodically occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > stray away from that just because of personality differences. I'd > go for that. Agreed. > > Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - periodically > > occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't interest me. I tried [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > crap they get warned once and then kicked off if it happens again. The > offending posts get deleted. That was how it worked the one time I tried a moderated group. I'm not saying you're wrong, just relating my own experience - which I did not enjoy. There is more than one moderator usually, > so the crap doesn't stay on the ng for long. It works quite well, > actually. > > -L. I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... Maybe *too* sanitized fr me, with the moderator(s) sort of hanging over everyone. And then... What happens, re: the moderator(s) & their own possibly subjective view(s) of what post(er) stays, & who's booted, when it comes to a post's content? Or if they know a poster from a prior experience, & either liked - or disliked - that poster; despite trying to be as objective as possible? Seems like it could be a tad sticky, to me. I realize that there are plenty of moderated groups; just a matter of what feels comfortable to whom. Cathy > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... I'm confused about what is being proposed. It's being called a Usenet group, but Yahoo was mentioned. Yahoo Groups are e-mail lists, not Usenet groups. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... > > I'm confused about what is being proposed. It's being called a Usenet > group, but Yahoo was mentioned. Yahoo Groups are e-mail lists, not > Usenet groups. Lyn does not know how to create a Usenet group. She's going to create a little Yahoo group where she gets to censor. And good for her. It might be just what she needs to make her happy. :) >> > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >create a little Yahoo group where she gets to censor. And good >for her. It might be just what she needs to make her happy. :) Hey -- Cat Protector has a moderated group on his site that's been gathering dust for like 3 years or something now. They could all head over there! >> > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > create a little Yahoo group where she gets to censor. And good > for her. It might be just what she needs to make her happy. :) It is difficult to create a moderated Usenet group, and the powers-that-be who would help such a group propagate always suggest every other possible route first - Yahoo group, mailing list, message board, etc. If Lyn is going to do this, she is better off not pushing for a moderated Usenet group. It truly is not worth the effort. > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... > Maybe *too* sanitized fr me, with the moderator(s) sort of hanging over > everyone. Nobody hangs over anyone. There's an underlying understanding of civility and if someone resorts to personal attacks, they get booted. Nothing wrong with a real debate as long as you don't make it personal. In the groups I read that are moderated, that's the main rule - no personal attacks. It's pretty transparent to the users. The moderatoprs don't even read every day. If someone acts like an a.shole, it's ignored but reported to the moderator via email and that person then gets an email from a moderator telling them to knock it off. If they keep it up, they get booted and just "disappear" along with their posts. >And then... What happens, re: the moderator(s) & their own > possibly subjective view(s) of what post(er) stays, & who's booted, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sticky, to me. I realize that there are plenty of moderated groups; > just a matter of what feels comfortable to whom. Well, you can join and quit if you hate it. Or not join. Nobody's forcing you to do either. :) -L. > I suppose I just don't like the idea of a moderated group, really... > Maybe *too* sanitized fr me, with the moderator(s) sort of hanging over > everyone. Nobody hangs over anyone. There's an underlying understanding of civility and if someone resorts to personal attacks, they get booted. Nothing wrong with a real debate as long as you don't make it personal. In the groups I read that are moderated, that's the main rule - no personal attacks. It's pretty transparent to the users. The moderatoprs don't even read every day. If someone acts like an a.shole, it's ignored but reported to the moderator via email and that person then gets an email from a moderator telling them to knock it off. If they keep it up, they get booted and just "disappear" along with their posts. >And then... What happens, re: the moderator(s) & their own > possibly subjective view(s) of what post(er) stays, & who's booted, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sticky, to me. I realize that there are plenty of moderated groups; > just a matter of what feels comfortable to whom. Well, you can join and quit if you hate it. Or not join. Nobody's forcing you to do either. :) -L. > That's not how this works. It's moderated in that if someone posts > crap they get warned once and then kicked off if it happens again. The > offending posts get deleted. There is more than one moderator usually, > so the crap doesn't stay on the ng for long. It works quite well, > actually. There is currently a Yahoo group devoted to cat health and behavior that was started by someone who used to post regularly here (and the other 2 moderators also). She still does occasionally. It has a large membership and I get it by digest rather than read it on Yahoo. I don't like reading through Yahoo, I find it more cumbersome than reading posts through Google. You all could just join that. I seldom post to it. It's nice and all but, personally, I like to be able to be foul-mouthed and bitchy if I'm in the mood for it. Plus I like some of the "characters" here. Candace > You all could just join that. I seldom post to it. It's nice and all > but, personally, I like to be able to be foul-mouthed and bitchy if I'm > in the mood for it. Plus I like some of the "characters" here. > > Candace LOL! I hear that!! There are just times when you *need* to call someone a f*cking @$$hole! ;> If people would just not take things so seriously and realize this is all a fantasy world and not real life (except when we need to pull together to help a cat) then they might not get their feelings hurt and feel the need to post only in a controlled group! And if they *could* do that it would make it a hell of a lot easier to pull together when there is a cat that needs to be helped!!! Hugs, CatNipped > > You all could just join that. I seldom post to it. It's nice and all > > but, personally, I like to be able to be foul-mouthed and bitchy if I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > realize this is all a fantasy world and not real life (except when we need > to pull together to help a cat) It *can* be all fantasy - or virtually all, but in the 2 other ngs I've been consistently reading & posting to for 7 years, it's more real life than a fantasy world. I've met - IRL - a bunch of people on one of the ngs: it's a music group - many of us have met up w/eachother at several concerts over the years, & 2 of the of the people I met on that ng have become personal friends outside of the ng. Although I have not met other posters IRL on the 2nd group, various others there have met eachother, & I 'see' most (maybe all?) of those posters as real people - not just characters out in cyberspace, posting to Usenet. Cathy then they might not get their feelings hurt > and feel the need to post only in a controlled group! And if they *could* > do that it would make it a hell of a lot easier to pull together when there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped > It *can* be all fantasy - or virtually all, but in the 2 other ngs I've > been consistently reading & posting to for 7 years, it's more real life [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (maybe all?) of those posters as real people - not just characters out > in cyberspace, posting to Usenet. I have had the same experiences with music ngs over the years, too. Concerts are a reason to get together, so you are more likely to meet people from a music ng IRL. I find out a lot of cat info on this ng, but this is not one that I anticipate meeting many people IRL. I don't attend any "cat gatherings". :) LOL (I probably would if there were any...) Incidentally, I met DH thru a friend that I met on a usenet music ng. So, while I met DH in real life, the mutual friend we had was a 'net pal. This thing called the 'net ain't so bad. :) Pam > > > You all could just join that. I seldom post to it. It's nice and all > > > but, personally, I like to be able to be foul-mouthed and bitchy if I'm [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cathy Oh, I've met several members of rpca in real life - they came to my house and we had dinner and a great time. That's not what I meant. What I meant was that it's easy to both "pretend" on newsgroups and it's easy to get carried away in a flame war when you feel somewhat anonymous. In either case you have to take things you read here with a grain of salt and not take things so personally that you let it affect you in real life. Hugs, CatNipped > then they might not get their feelings hurt > > and feel the need to post only in a controlled group! And if they *could* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > CatNipped >> That's not how this works. It's moderated in that if someone posts >> crap they get warned once and then kicked off if it happens again. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Candace Well THERE is a candid admission! >> Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - >> periodically occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -L. Agreed. > > Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - periodically > > occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't interest me. I tried [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I've read one moderated group before where posts don't show up for a couple of days--I guess until the moderator had time to inspect every one of them. By the time the post showed up, people generally weren't that interested in pursuing the topic anymore. It was really sucky. But, yeah, if a new group gets set up, I'd give it a try. Sherry >> > Despite the brouhaha & nastiness that can - & often does - periodically >> > occur on unmoderated ngs, a moderated one doesn't interest me. I tried [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Sherry I have also heard that moderated group members can earn posting freedom after they demonstrate civility and maintain the decorum .... at the discretion of the moderators of course. > That's not how this works. It's moderated in that if someone posts > crap they get warned once and then kicked off if it happens again. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L. I co-moderate a list on Yahoo. It has a specific subject (raw feeding). There are 4 moderators and a list owner and close to 1,000 members. New people are put on moderation (meaning their posts must be approved by a moderator before they're posted on the list). Once the person is shown to not be a troll or troublemaker, they're taken off moderation. I think it works well for that particular list. But I don't think it would for a newsgroup, especially one that has many topics. I know on AOL their message boards used to be moderated and they were terrible, and it was pretty stiffling. > We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a > wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as > Yahoo, etc. Would anyone here be interested in participating? If so, > please send me an email - address in header is valid. > > Thanks!>.. Good idea. I've e.mailed you. Have you thought about a free web based forum? I belong to several web based forums. You can have pinned threads so people can find info . It's easier and quicker to access a web forum where the posts are in threads. Alison > Good idea. I've e.mailed you. I tried to reply but it bounced. I will try again later today. > Have you thought about a free web based forum? I belong to several > web based forums. You can have pinned threads so people can find info > . It's easier and quicker to access a web forum where the posts are > in threads. > Alison Hummm....will look in to it. -L. > > Good idea. I've e.mailed you. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hummm....will look in to it. I use PHPbb2 for mine. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >We are thinking of setting one up since this group has become such a >wasteland. It would be through an easily-accessible venue such as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >-L. There are already Cat Health & Behavior groups set up on Yahoo. I am not sure how they are, as I signed up, and never checked back... |
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