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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Adopt This Great Cat!
We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He has been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be "re-evaluated" this Wednesday, June 29th. The shelter does euthanize cats. We will not only pay his adoption fee but will find a way to get him to you--if you can convince us that you can provide a good home to him. He is in Orange County, California. It does not matter where you are. Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan! > We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted > here. He has been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan! Thank you for stepping back and rethinking this. It shows you really do care. Yes, Mary, I know you do care. Regardless of your opinion of me and why I brought up concerns, and regardless of whether I've stated *yet* whether I'd help financially, I see no reason to think that Conan can't be adopted locally. He's gorgeous, seems to have a good disposition from what Philip said (take that as you will; I'm sure you will) and he's young. And, he's apparently over his URI and is now healthy. He should have no problem getting noticed and getting adopted. I like the idea someone had to put up a sign on his cage that distinctly describes his personality. Maybe someone local can type/write one up and hang it on his cage. When I volunteered with our local SPCA, the cats with very detailed descriptive signs on their cage (and on Petfinders.org) recieved a lot of interest. In a large shelter such as OC, there probably isn't a lot of personal interest paid to individual animals. It would help if someone local could do that so that any potential adopters could have some information about him.  SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > Thank you for stepping back and rethinking this. It shows you > really do care. Yes, Mary, I know you do care. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the idea someone had to put up a sign on his cage that distinctly > describes his personality. snip You liked my idea. I graciously accept your compliment. On Sun 26 Jun 2005 10:54:38p, Philip wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:OTJve.12741$VK4.9557 @newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net): > I like >> the idea someone had to put up a sign on his cage that distinctly >> describes his personality. > snip > > You liked my idea. I graciously accept your compliment. Yes. Why don't you write up something and go put it on his cage? You're the closest. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > On Sun 26 Jun 2005 10:54:38p, Philip wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:OTJve.12741$VK4.9557 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yes. Why don't you write up something and go put it on his cage? > You're the closest. Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are being a pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for about 10 minutes. She has to be very careful what information she discloses. Of course, this does not mean others under her are so adept at following confidentiality laws. Some cages now have a "Pet me, I love attention" stickers on them. Seems to be limited to longer stay cats and those owner relinquished. >> Yes. Why don't you write up something and go put it on his >> cage? You're the closest. > > Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are > being a pest. You people? LOL So we're all alike to you. I've never spoken with Katherine. Or anyone else there. I'm just a bystander who can't do anything from the other side of the country. I merely wrote my concerns about Charlie and that knowing what I "know" about him, yes from GOOGLE, which is all we have, that I WOULDN'T ADOPT A CAT TO HIM. Simple. MY opinion. You all ran off the deep end with that. Not my fault. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her > for about 10 minutes. She has to be very careful what > information she discloses. Of course, this does not mean others > under her are so adept at following confidentiality laws. Some > cages now have a "Pet me, I love attention" stickers on them. > Seems to be limited to longer stay cats and those owner > relinquished. Next time you visit, can you bring up a written paragraph about his personality? It would help. Hopefully one of the others interested will be able to arrange getting him before you have to bother with that. BTW, I wasn't vilifying you in this. You couldn't deal with the health issues, time was running out for an exchange, and you're not the only one who's been in that position. I've seen it in RL, and I've seen it on these groups. You just happened to make an enemy of the one with the strongest "voice" here, and repitition does seem to breed false truths around here. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> Yes. Why don't you write up something and go put it on his >>> cage? You're the closest. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You people? LOL So we're all alike to you. I've never spoken with > Katherine. In the line of Ross Perot's "You people ... the volunteers...". :^) > Or anyone else there. I'm just a bystander who can't do > anything from the other side of the country. I merely wrote my > concerns about Charlie and that knowing what I "know" about him, > yes from GOOGLE, which is all we have, that I WOULDN'T ADOPT A CAT > TO HIM. Simple. MY opinion. You all ran off the deep end with that. > Not my fault. snip You chose to run your mouth before considering what DAMAGE your opinion at this time would do. You know how these women are geared ... you are one of them. Don't give me ANY excuses for your inexcusable and irresponsible behavior. It will fall on deaf ears. > Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are being a > pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for about 10 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stickers on them. Seems to be limited to longer stay cats and those owner > relinquished. Did Conan have such a sticker? -L. > > Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are being a > > pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for about 10 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. I love this. Now Philip and Psycho Lynnie can tell each other bedtime stories! Cool! lol >>> Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are >>> being a pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I love this. Now Philip and Psycho Lynnie can tell each other bedtime > stories! Cool! lol So long as you spit your venon, the targets can rest assured they are doing the Right Thing. > >>> Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are > >>> being a pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So long as you spit your venon, the targets can rest assured they are doing > the Right Thing. *Sniff* That makes it all worth it! : 'D >> Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are >> being a pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. Yes. You People! Gotta love it. We used to have a client who used terms like that. Translation: "you guys are all bad and I am good..." Philip, it seems like you are bothering Ms. Katherine Wilson more than most of us. I think I'm going to need a cat-group break after all of this. Rhonda > Visited today and met with Ms. Katherine Wilson. You people are being a > pest. Those are not her words buy mine visiting with her for about 10 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stickers on them. Seems to be limited to longer stay cats and those owner > relinquished. "Bothered" her once. And that was today. You people have posted numerous calls to the OC Shelter with conflicting reports and have a vested interest in misquoting Katherine in order to sabotage your own rescue effort. I ... have no such vested interest. BTW, was the Paypal linked email for donations EVER posted publicly? > You People! Gotta love it. We used to have a client who used terms like > that. Translation: "you guys are all bad and I am good..." [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> me, I love attention" stickers on them. Seems to be limited to >> longer stay cats and those owner relinquished. > We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He has > been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be "re-evaluated" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan! Someone I know has contacted me about a possible home in the Seattle area for Conan. So, if everything works out, which I should know by sometime tomorrow, then the same transportation arrangements can be utilized. They are awaiting approval from their landlord. Signature-Kelly > Someone I know has contacted me about a possible home in the Seattle area > for Conan. So, if everything works out, which I should know by sometime [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > -Kelly I used to think you was sexy with your little attitude Now I think it stinks, I want all your stuff out of my house by morning, or Im slinging it on the sidewalk! > I used to think you was sexy with your little attitude > > Now I think it stinks, I want all your stuff out of my house by > morning, or Im slinging it on the sidewalk! Is that really what you get out of this ng, sex? You're always making ludicrous sexual remarks on here when other people are trying to have serious discussions. And you keep changing the fricking titles of the threads so it's next to impossible to follow what's going on. Is your purpose her to "get off" or to disrupt? There are porn sites available where you can fantasize about sexy little attitudes. Conan is running out of time and some of us care about that more than about you getting your rocks off. Candace > Conan is running out of time and some of us care about that more than > about you getting your rocks off. > > Candace Then tell the women to act like they got some sense about them Just for the record, would you like to see the emails I get from women on this group?...gasp, you would be shocked! Charlie is fine! Ok, find someone else (I read your comments)... Your not the problem. Seems that 2, that's two women, are wanting to put on a rubber glove to examine the new cat owner, when they already know Charlie. I changed the title, to take attention away from those, slinging mud at Charlie, it was supposed to be confusing, and it seems to have worked. BTW: Does fancy feast come in small cans only? My fat a.s cat can't get enough! > > We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He has > > been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be "re-evaluated" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tomorrow, then the same transportation arrangements can be utilized. They > are awaiting approval from their landlord. Kelly, we will have to know all about this person. They will have to come on here and answer questions about their past with animals and give us an email and/or their full name so that we can Google them and make sure they are suitable. I am not comfortable adopting Conan out to someone we know nothing about. If this person must remain anonymous, it is no go. And I want to know how big this apartment is--Conan is a BIG athletic boy--if there are any other pets, what kind, what sort of income this person has, essentially all the concerns raised about Charlie, who is, after all, approved by the shelter. > Kelly, we will have to know all about this person. They will have to come > on here and answer questions about their past with animals and give us [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Charlie, > who is, after all, approved by the shelter. I will post info as I have it. What I know now is this is a couple, just transferred to the Seattle area, has one cat, was going to adopt another a while back but the wife became ill and they had to put off adopting another cat and are now ready to do so. I do not have their email or full names at this point. Signature-Kelly > We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He > has been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan! A VERY TALL order. >We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He has >been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be "re-evaluated" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan! I mentioned it in the other thread, but I will ask my sister if she is interested. She rents the basement of my parent's rental home, so the landlord is no problem. And I am already supplementing cat food and litter while she looks for a second job. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com I sent an email to my sister last night, and got this reply. ******** Yes! What's the little guy's name? And do you now if he's indoor only or what? Either way, yes! He's beautiful, I love marble kitties, and of course since Booper, I love Orange Boys : ) ,what can I say. Call me when you're up to give me the details. > We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. He has > been at the shelter a bit too long for comfort and will be "re-evaluated" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tell us why you would provide the best home for Conan!>>> Mary, Bless you for rethinking this. Lets see what happens. I will post this to other newsgroups and forums . Alison I posted this to the wrong thread. Here it goes again: I have quietly been following this thread about Conan and saw he still needs a home. A good friend of mine recently lost her 17 year old maine coon mix to CRF. She has another cat and didn't want to get another one, but she has noticed her other cat has gotten lonely ans she misses a big cat to hold and cuddle. She hasn't been quite ready to get another cat, but has been open to when it happens. I told her about Conan and she asked me to send her the contact information. IS Conan still available? My friend lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. She owns her own home and has a yard with fruit trees. She gave her cat with CRF the best of care and helped him cross when he told her it was time. Thank you, Stacey >> We have a gorgeous young male red tabby, neutered and vetted here. >He has [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >this to other newsgroups and forums . > Alison Hi Stacey, Great. That could work out fine. Yes, I believe he is still available and he could be flown up to the Bay Area easily enough. Here's pictures of the kitty: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010174a.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010153.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010147.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/P1010142.jpg I live in the Bay Area and I do some adoption counseling, so I could certainly do a phone interview and report back to the group so we'll know somebody has met the person. She would need to decide quickly that she wants to do this and get in touch (she can e-mail me, I guess), as have a quick deadline here. Thanks! Tracy > I live in the Bay Area and I do some adoption counseling, so I could > certainly do a phone interview and report back to the group [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tracy And if air transport didn't work out I could drive Conan a hundred miles or so towards SF if someone else could pick up the relay from there. I'd just have to do so by Saturday. Dan >> I live in the Bay Area and I do some adoption counseling, so I could >> certainly do a phone interview and report back to the group [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dan Oh fer gawdsake, Dan. It's 410 miles / 8 hrs drive time from OC Shelter to downtown SFO. Come on ... you need a road trip. Get the Rescue Babes to cover your gas money! > Oh fer gawdsake, Dan. It's 410 miles / 8 hrs drive time from OC Shelter to > downtown SFO. Come on ... you need a road trip. Get the Rescue Babes to > cover your gas money! Actually, if it wasn't coming up on July 4th I'd love to do just that! I love that drive, and would enjoy taking Conan for a road trip. If I wasn't obligated to drive a truck full of fireworks out to Banning on the 4th for my brother, I'd jump on the chance. If the airlift doesn't work, I'll see about arranging a road trip after the 4th. Dan >> Oh fer gawdsake, Dan. It's 410 miles / 8 hrs drive time from OC >> Shelter to downtown SFO. Come on ... you need a road trip. Get the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dan Well, I can't do it on Wednesday (not that anyone asked me to) because I've got a hot furniture move to Lake Havasu on Wednesday, 600+ round trip. >>> I live in the Bay Area and I do some adoption counseling, so I could >>> certainly do a phone interview and report back to the group [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >downtown SFO. Come on ... you need a road trip. Get the Rescue Babes to >cover your gas money! That's right, Dan!! Be a gigolo like Phillip A. The babes could never resist him -- something about a man who rose so far up the corporate ladder. Ooooopsy -- that was the ladder leading into the cab of the truck he was driving. My bad! > I posted this to the wrong thread. Here it goes again: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > happens. I told her about Conan and she asked me to send her the contact > information. IS Conan still available? He is, but I am not sure he is the cuddly type. He is a big, 14-pound boy who is very athletic and loves to jump. Also, he is a "nipper," according to the man who adopted him then returned him to the shelter when he got a cold. Do you think your friend can handle or would want a cat that tends to get a bit rough? If she had a Maine Coon, she is used to a big cat, but does she want one that is not so much cuddly as ver active? > My friend lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. She owns her own home and has a > yard with fruit trees. She gave her cat with CRF the best of care and helped [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stacey She sounds just lovely, Stacey. Let her know about the things I have mentioned. Anyone who wants to can adopt this cat, but they have to do it by the end of the day tomorrow, June 28th, as he is being re-evaluated on the 29th and may then be euthanized. His information has been posted here as far as the shelter where he is and his animal number, but to make it easy you may email me and I will send it to you to give to her if she thinks she wants him. Thank you so much for trying to help us, Stacey. Hi Mary, I saw my friend yesterday and we were talking about her cat. She told me the story about when his mother (who she owned) had him and he was old enough to find a new home she adopted him out to an elderly lady. A few weeks later she had to return him because he was treating her like another cat and climbing all over her. I think she would be used to owning a rambunctious cat. I will pass on the information to her though. Stacey >> I posted this to the wrong thread. Here it goes again: >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Thank you so much for trying to help us, Stacey. > Hi Mary, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Stacey I would NOT call Conan a "rambunctious" cat. Now kitten Omar IS rambunctious during the 06:00 and 19:00 crazies. Omar will reach out his paw, touch your nose, and then ask "What's that?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> >> IS Conan still available? > >He is, Does this mean that Charlie opted out (or was opted out) of the adoption? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Does this mean that Charlie opted out (or was opted out) > of the adoption? No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. Misrepresented ..." above) called Katherine the shelter manager and told her that Charlie is a monster, so Katherine may be backing out of what she told me yesterday. I have a call in to her now, she has my home and cell phone. So we will see. The larger point is, anyone who walks in today can adopt Conan. He has not been reserved or his adoption fee paid yet because we have not been sure we could A) transport him or B) find him a local home or foster home. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > yet because we have not been sure we could A) transport him > or B) find him a local home or foster home. So cough up the money! Don't flake out now. ;^) > No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a > way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > yet because we have not been sure we could A) transport him > or B) find him a local home or foster home. Why does Katherine have to know about Charlie at all? Dan can get him and what you all decide to do with him after that is out of everyone's hands. I thought you had all decided to go ahead...you, Dan, Rhonda, Tracy, Charlie. Meghan's sister also sounds like a fine adopter but Dan has to get him out of there pretty soon. What if they "evaluate" him on Wed. and 2 minutes later do the deed? Candace >> No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a >> way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >out of there pretty soon. What if they "evaluate" him on Wed. and 2 >minutes later do the deed? If you can get him on a plane, we can pick him up at any time of the day. We are literally 10 minutes from the airport. It takes longer to park than it does to drive there. And I found somebody in redmond who has a bunch of cat carriers, so I can buy one tonight. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >> No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a > >> way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > And I found somebody in redmond who has a bunch of cat carriers, so I > can buy one tonight. Meghan, did you miss the part where Cheryl or one of her buds called the shelter and so frightened Katherine about Charlie Wilkes that she will no longer authorize an out-of-town adoption? That is where we stand. I have called her but she has not returned my call. >> If you can get him on a plane, we can pick him up at any time >> of the day. We are literally 10 minutes from the airport. It [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > adoption? That is where we stand. I have called her but she has > not returned my call. Put down the crack pipe and calm down. I didn't call the shelter and I vehemently deny anything you've said about me or what I "might have" done. I voiced my concerns in a public forum. I have that right - it's the one you used to live by called "free speech". :) Conan deserves a good home, not one that he should have to settle for just because you "need to know" the outcome. He isn't a goner, and chances are he won't be. I also have not seen any reason to think that anyone is badmouthing Dan to keep him from going to get Conan. That's all in your frenzied mind. Sheesh. Get a grip. It seems the more the day goes on, the more your wild imagination is making up crazy stuff. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > >> If you can get him on a plane, we can pick him up at any time > >> of the day. We are literally 10 minutes from the airport. It [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > frenzied mind. Sheesh. Get a grip. It seems the more the day goes > on, the more your wild imagination is making up crazy stuff. Please consider shutting the f.ck up and just finding the cat a home. > Please consider shutting the f.ck up and just finding the cat a > home. I will "shut the f.ck up" when you stop bringing my name into every god damned thread that you feel like. You have control here. Simple. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > Please consider shutting the f.ck up and just finding the cat a > > home. > > I will "shut the f.ck up" when you stop bringing my name into every > god damned thread that you feel like. You have control here. Simple. It's all about you. *Shaking my head* You're a lying sack of sh.t, Cheryl and I will continue to tell everyone I can that you are. It makes me happy. Meanwhile, you helped derail the adoption, so find him a home. Dan has sent my money back since he no longer wants to be involved. I will send it on to whoever wants Conan. I guess it needs to be a local adoption, since we have not heard from Rhonda. > It makes me happy. From the horse's mouth. There you have it folks. Lying about people on Usenet is what makes Mary's pathetic life happy. 'Nuff said and I'm out of this conversation. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > It makes me happy. > > From the horse's mouth. There you have it folks. Lying about people > on Usenet is what makes Mary's pathetic life happy. > > 'Nuff said and I'm out of this conversation. Sleazebag. Creative snipping again, are we? I wrote: "It makes me happy to tell people what a lying sack of sh.t you are." And it does. Why? Because you are a lying sack of sh.t. Speaking the truth is a good thing. You should try it some time. >>> It makes me happy. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And it does. Why? Because you are a lying sack of sh.t. Speaking the > truth is a good thing. You should try it some time. Ahem! >>>> No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a >>>> way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > will no longer authorize an out-of-town adoption? That is where we > stand. I have called her but she has not returned my call. That was a lie. An outright lie. At best, somebody on your end needs to have their ears flushed out and dewaxed. From Katherine's lips to my ears, the shelter is a municipal facility and does not care who adopts an animal. Pay the fees, here's your chosen pet. Goodbye. I asked about being from outside the state ... that is irrelevant. >Meghan, did you miss the part where Cheryl or one of her buds called >the shelter and so frightened Katherine about Charlie Wilkes that she >will no longer authorize an out-of-town adoption? That is where we >stand. I have called her but she has not returned my call. No, but I don't think that is a valid reason for giving up. If it's illegal to jay walk, and it means that an animal will die in the street if I don't run out there and grab him, then should I leave him to die? Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >> No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a >> way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Candace Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do keep up! > Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do keep > up! Katherine "knows" what? According to this Jess person, there are no adoption interviews, regulations, etc. Anyone with the $$ can take any cat they want. It sounds like she just meant that the shelter itself cannot arrange out-of-town adoptions due to financial reasons. It isn't forbidden to give the cat to someone else once you have it. It sounds like they don't really give a rat's a.s what happens to their animals; they just want them out of there to make space for more. Hence, you were able to adopt again. Candace > > Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do keep > > up! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > animals; they just want them out of there to make space for more. > Hence, you were able to adopt again. Precisely. Katherine has not yet returned my call, simply because the a.shole who called her let her know that the shelter might be in for some very bad publicity if she allows the cat to go to Charlie. I knew from the first time I spoke with her that she is more interested in PR than the welfare of the animals. They have NO screening process. What does this tell you? > Precisely. Katherine has not yet returned my call, simply because > the a.shole who called her let her know that the shelter might be > in for some very bad publicity if she allows the cat to go to Charlie. > I knew from the first time I spoke with her that she is more interested > in PR than the welfare of the animals. They have NO screening process. > What does this tell you? That he has to get out of there pronto. What if she's getting pissed now and is sick of all the different people calling? That might work against Conan, not for him. Candace >> Precisely. Katherine has not yet returned my call, simply because >> the a.shole who called her let her know that the shelter might be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Candace At worst, Katherine is screening her calls via a secretary. Look ... just fund somebody to spring Conan and be done with the lethal part of this "operation." > > > Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do > keep [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > in PR than the welfare of the animals. They have NO screening process. > What does this tell you? Why didn't Phillip tell us there was no interview or screening process? Seems it is an important piece of information. Trish >>>> Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. >>>> Do keep up! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Trish Silly woman! Why relate about something that is not part of the adoption process? DUH. >>> Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do >>> keep up! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > in PR than the welfare of the animals. They have NO screening process. > What does this tell you? It does not tell "us" anything more than Katherine is not returning your calls for reasons you do not know. Ms. Wilson is a pretty mature woman who is pretty darned savvy about sizing up people and managing an office crew. She has your number ... rest assured. I finally downloaded my xmas pics off my camera and thought I'd share the pictures of my cats :) I love them! Sookey Boo http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163160 Peepers http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163166 Squirrel http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=163171 Thanks Trish > I finally downloaded my xmas pics off my camera and thought I'd share the > pictures of my cats :) I love them! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Trish Adorable family :) > > I finally downloaded my xmas pics off my camera and thought I'd share the > > pictures of my cats :) I love them! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > Adorable family :) thanks :) they're an odd family but at the least they're entertaining >I finally downloaded my xmas pics off my camera and thought I'd share the > pictures of my cats :) I love them! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Trish Beautiful cats. Thanks for posting. (Squirrel looks a lot like my very first cat -- at least, my first cat as an adult. he lived to age 20.) MaryL > >I finally downloaded my xmas pics off my camera and thought I'd share the > > pictures of my cats :) I love them! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > MaryL thanks, my vet claims squirrel is going through his teenage years... what fun! >> Too late now. Katherine knows. Dan says he cannot foster Conan. Do >> keep up! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Candace Right on all accounts ... including your little petty jab. :^) > > No. Charlie still wants him and Rhonda is still trying to find a > > way to fly him. However, it seems someone (see thread "Mary S. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Why does Katherine have to know about Charlie at all? Cheryl or one of her buds called Katherine and convince her that I want to send the cat to this butcher named Charlie. Dan can get him > and what you all decide to do with him after that is out of everyone's > hands. I thought you had all decided to go ahead...you, Dan, Rhonda, > Tracy, Charlie. We did, until someone called and got Katherine to go back on what she told me yesterday. The out-of-town adoption is no longer okay. > Meghan's sister also sounds like a fine adopter but Dan has to get him > out of there pretty soon. What if they "evaluate" him on Wed. and 2 > minutes later do the deed? Or, worse, decide to do it today and just say that he was adopted, since he is causing the shelter so much trouble. > We did, until someone called and got Katherine to go back on what > she told me yesterday. The out-of-town adoption is no longer okay. It's not an out of town adoption, it's Dan. Or are you saying Dan can't even take him now? If that's the case, it's pretty much over. > Or, worse, decide to do it today and just say that he was adopted, > since he is causing the shelter so much trouble. This is not good. Candace > > We did, until someone called and got Katherine to go back on what > > she told me yesterday. The out-of-town adoption is no longer okay. > > It's not an out of town adoption, it's Dan. Dan has nothing to do with it. Charlie was the one who I arranged to have Conan adopted to, with Katherine, on the telephone yesterday. It was okay until someone convinced her he is not fit to take Conan. So it IS the out-of-town question. > > > We did, until someone called and got Katherine to go back on what > > > she told me yesterday. The out-of-town adoption is no longer okay. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > yesterday. It was okay until someone convinced her he is not > fit to take Conan. So it IS the out-of-town question. But Mary, as I asked in another post - even if Katherine now does refuse to adopt to Charlie, what would prevent Dan walking in and adopting him "for himself" as a local adoption (and then giving Conan to whomever you guys decide is going to get him)? Hugs, CatNipped > But Mary, as I asked in another post - even if Katherine now does refuse to > adopt to Charlie, what would prevent Dan walking in and adopting him "for > himself" as a local adoption (and then giving Conan to whomever you guys > decide is going to get him)? That's what I don't understand either. The shelter doesn't care. Pretend Charlie has nothing to do with this; it will be Dan's cat to do with as he chooses. There is no interview, apparently. Candace > > But Mary, as I asked in another post - even if Katherine now does refuse to > > adopt to Charlie, what would prevent Dan walking in and adopting him "for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pretend Charlie has nothing to do with this; it will be Dan's cat to do > with as he chooses. There is no interview, apparently. But, again, anyone who would call the shelter and assasinate both Charlie and my character has already done the same to Dan. The point is not to get Conan a better home--it is to make sure we fail at what we are trying to do. It is just pure spite. > > > > We did, until someone called and got Katherine to go back on what > > > > she told me yesterday. The out-of-town adoption is no longer okay. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > himself" as a local adoption (and then giving Conan to whomever you guys > decide is going to get him)? We do not want to present ourselves dishonestly to the shelter. That is not even an option, and never has been. I omitted mentioning the out-of-town adoption just to keep things simple, and because I knew the OC shelter does not really give a rat's a.s what happens to the cats after they are adopted. But when Cheryl questioned the ethics of not letting the shelter know, (in her first effort to find a way to thwart this rescue) I called and let Katherine know about Charlie. And we were on for an out-of-state adoption--until someone called the shelter and told her God Knows What about Charlie and apparently me--as she is not now returning my calls. Let's hope we hear from someone local who can adopt him. But if he just disappears tomorrow I will be very suspicious, wondering what the shelter has done with him. > > "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message > news:42c0774a_3@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > We do not want to present ourselves dishonestly to the shelter. That is not The hell we don't! As I just replied to <UGH>, if it saves a life, isn't lying a *MUCH* lesser evil??? I *REALLY* don't think the shelter gives a f*ck about Conan if they're in a hurry to euthanize him anyway and they're just denying this adoption now because of bad publicity, so even if the joker gave Dan's name maybe Dan's wife (let's keep her name out of this) could get Conan. Hugs, CatNipped >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message > news:42c0774a_3@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > someone called the shelter and told her God Knows What about Charlie > and apparently me--as she is not now returning my calls. Katherine Wilson has a LOT more and BIGGER responsibilities than tending to your petty concerns. BE a mench ... fund a person of your choosing NOW and get Conan out of the shelter NOW. What you do afterwards is secondary. > Let's hope we hear from someone local who can adopt him. But if he > just disappears tomorrow I will be very suspicious, wondering what the > shelter has done with him. You will be more relieved than anything. Conan has until July 4th for his next "evaluation". The office is open on Sunday July 3 but the whole place is closed July 4th. >But Mary, as I asked in another post - even if Katherine now does refuse to >adopt to Charlie, what would prevent Dan walking in and adopting him "for >himself" as a local adoption (and then giving Conan to whomever you guys >decide is going to get him)? I'll tell you what could prevent Dan from walking in and adopting him. Another phone call from the same a.shole who called last time. -mhd >> But Mary, as I asked in another post - even if Katherine now does >> refuse to adopt to Charlie, what would prevent Dan walking in and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -mhd FALSE again. A N Y B O D Y can walk in at ANY time, stand in line, pay the fees, & walk out with a chosen animal. > Dan has nothing to do with it. Charlie was the one who I arranged > to have Conan adopted to, with Katherine, on the telephone > yesterday. It was okay until someone convinced her he is not > fit to take Conan. So it IS the out-of-town question. Right, but Conan is still up for adoption so Dan can still get him. What happens after he has Dan will be of no concern to Katherine. She wants the space for other cats. She doesn't need to know anything about Charlie or whoever gets him ultimately. Apparently, they don't do interviews or anything so she doesn't care where Conan is ultimately going. For all she knows, Dan is keeping him or giving him to a frined as a gift or whatever. Pretend Charlie is out of the equation. Candace > > Dan has nothing to do with it. Charlie was the one who I arranged > > to have Conan adopted to, with Katherine, on the telephone [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > going. For all she knows, Dan is keeping him or giving him to a frined > as a gift or whatever. Pretend Charlie is out of the equation. By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. You are right. > > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) > > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. > > You are right. I'm so sorry, Candace. I really did try. Many of us have. Let's hope someone walks in there today or tomorrow and that he just catches their eye and he gets adopted. We will never know for sure now whether he was euthanized or adopted. >> > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) >> > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >We will never know for sure now whether he was >euthanized or adopted. And meanwhile, this disgusting POS Phillip is sitting back enjoying the whole spectacle, smug in the knowledge that he's bettered all you women. > >> > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) > >> > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And meanwhile, this disgusting POS Phillip is sitting back enjoying the > whole spectacle, smug in the knowledge that he's bettered all you women. You know, Eq, I actually think Philip was happy about Charlie taking Conan. I don't think he wishes him any harm. I just think Philip is missing some vital parts--in the "what makes us human" area. ;) >>>>> By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) >>>>> It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Philip is missing some vital parts--in the "what makes us human" > area. ;) A uterus? You are right about that! > > > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) > > > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of *speculation* about who was vilified? What?! After all of this effort and at least 2 very good adoption possibilities, why aren't these being aggressively followed up? From the bits and pieces I have gathered, Dan is willing to pick Conan up. Two more people have come forward re adopting - Stacey's friend and Meghan's sister.What is the issue with not pursuing these possibilities to the max and getting Conan out of there? Why spend so much energy on someone's phone call to the shelter and speculating about Katherine's non-response? Who cares? And please do not repeat the "out-of-town" excuse - it is not valid and is easily worked around if it is even an issue rather than mere speculation. Blaming whoever phoned the shelter if Conan is euthanized is absurd. Giving up with all of the options still available is inexcusable. I don't get it. M. > >Candace wrote: > > You are right. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We will never know for sure now whether he was > euthanized or adopted. > I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of *speculation* > about who was vilified? What?! I think you are mixing up posts. > After all of this effort and at least 2 very good adoption possibilities, > why aren't these being aggressively followed up? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > M. Here's the situation: If Dan lies to the shelter and says he is adopting Conan for himself, he may be able to get him. Conan gets put on a plane with Rhonda to where/whomever. But Dan has to be willing to lie - or have someone else go in his place, if what Mary said is true (that Dan's name was mentioned by "Jen" when he/she called the shelter)...if in fact "Jen" really did call the shelter - which isn't exactly clear. The other option is that someone in the OC area adopts Conan. But finding that someone is the key. -L. > > I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of *speculation* > > about who was vilified? What?! > > I think you are mixing up posts. Nope, not mixing up anything. I read the situation exactly as presented and continue mystified as to what the problem is. M. > > After all of this effort and at least 2 very good adoption possibilities, > > why aren't these being aggressively followed up? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -L. >> I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of >> *speculation* about who was vilified? What?! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Here's the situation: If Dan lies to the shelter and says he is > adopting Conan for himself, he may be able to get him. HEAR YE HEAR YE... NOBODY has to lie about anything! Just show valid ID for yourself (the home state residence is irrelevant), pay the paltry fees, and drive away with your pet. This is not open heart surgery. > Conan gets put > on a plane with Rhonda to where/whomever. But Dan has to be willing to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. What Mary fabricated is false. No truth. >Here's the situation: If Dan lies to the shelter and says he is >adopting Conan for himself, he may be able to get him. Conan gets put [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >shelter)...if in fact "Jen" really did call the shelter - which isn't >exactly clear. I think Dan needs to take a friend on a road trip, and not mention that person's name anywhere on the internet. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com (...) > I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of *speculation* > about who was vilified? What?! Double bang-on bonus-f.cking bingo. > From the bits and pieces I have gathered, Dan is willing to pick Conan up. > Two more people have come forward re adopting - Stacey's friend and Meghan's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't get it. You and me both. All someone needs to do is - go to the shelter, with supporting references, and adopt the bleedin' cat. That's it. Assuming the adopter doesn't walk into the shelter swinging a machete and sucking the eyeballs out of a kitten skull, (s)he - accompanied by appropriate references - will easily get the friggen cat. Hell, the adopter could take along a copy of their cat's vet records, pictures of their current pets, whatever. You think a shelter will turn away an adopter who seems like a normal human being, who has a letter from their vet, a full set of vet records for their current pets, perhaps a microchipping cert, etc.? I think not. Rocket science? This is barely science, never mind the rockets. S. > > > > By now someone has likely called and told them Dan is evil too. :) > > > > It's the way these a.sholes work. We can't save this cat. > > I must be missing something - Conan can't be saved because of *speculation* > about who was vilified? What?! Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter vilifying Charlie, me, and likely Dan, but it matters not--will not allow an out-of-town adoption. I will not be part of anything that goes against shelter policy, and it is my money that was paying both his fee and Dan's expenses. > After all of this effort and at least 2 very good adoption possibilities, > why aren't these being aggressively followed up? They are out-of-town adoptions and Katherine will not allow them. > From the bits and pieces I have gathered, Dan is willing to pick Conan up. > Two more people have come forward re adopting - Stacey's friend and Meghan's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't get it. Then you're an idiot. Now go get the cat out of there of stfu. > Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter > vilifying Charlie, me, and likely Dan That's it. You're clearly certifiable. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter > > vilifying Charlie, me, and likely Dan > > That's it. You're clearly certifiable. Coming from you, that's a compliment. Since you voiced the ' first and strongest objection to Charlie adopting Conan, it makes sense that you would be the one who called. It's all academic now, and out of my hands. >Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter vilifying >Charlie, me, and likely Dan, but it matters not--will not allow an >out-of-town >adoption. I will not be part of anything that goes against shelter policy, >and >it is my money that was paying both his fee and Dan's expenses. Several people offered to donate money. I can donate some on Thursday when I get paid. We can still do this. Personally, I think it is better to lie than let him get killed. I also think it is quite possible that Katherine got tired of the phone calls and opted to make up a shelter policy that isn't real. Have you tried talking to Hector? Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter vilifying > >Charlie, me, and likely Dan, but it matters not--will not allow an [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > phone calls and opted to make up a shelter policy that isn't real. > Have you tried talking to Hector? I also think it's highly possible that Katherine, or someone else at the shelter, has internet access and has followed this entire discussion and has come to the sad conclusion that PLENTY of you guys are irrational and not quite sane. Since she's been speaking mostly to Mary, it would behoove Mary NOT to act like a lunatic publically, but then again, that's already water under the bridge. My suggestion is that we all take the high road in getting this cat out of this shelter, and leave all the petty backbiting to another time. Mary, that means you. Marjorie > -- > Meghan & the Zoo Crew > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > > >Word is, Katherine--due to Chery's telephone call to the shelter > vilifying [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > come to the sad conclusion that PLENTY of you guys are irrational and not > quite sane. Do you THINK?! :) >Since she's been speaking mostly to Mary, it would behoove Mary > NOT to act like a lunatic publically, but then again, that's already water [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Marjorie lol! Piss off. Marjorie. You paragon of sanity you. I love when Lynnie sends in the socks. You're a sock puppet with a pulse. Either go get Conan or stick your advice up your a.s. HAND. HTH. Smoochy! P.S. Sorry about the pupping problems. 8) > > I also think it's highly possible that Katherine, or someone else at the > > shelter, has internet access and has followed this entire discussion and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Conan or stick your advice up your a.s. HAND. HTH. Smoochy! > P.S. Sorry about the pupping problems. 8) I'm sure in your irrational mind, this actually means something. It doesn't to me, because, as you note, I am a paragon of sanity. I don't know Lynnie, I'm not a sock puppet, but I am concerned that a few of you who are most involved are losing it completely. I don't know why you have to be so confrontative, or so nasty, but you do seem to be interested in saving this cat (and other cats, I assume) so I'm not going to think badly of you. I do think that if you toned down the rhetoric and tried a bit harder to get along instead of calling people names and bitching because everyone doesn't agree with you, then this adoption might be more successful. I wish I could get Conan, but unfortunately I'm 3000 miles away and can't get on an airplane due to serious health reasons. Plus I do have children that need me. But I've tried thru back channels to get this cat out of the shelter and I'm still hopeful that he will be saved despite the negativity of many people on the newsgroup. My suggestion for right now is to try other avenues to find rescuers in the LA/OC area. If anyone is a frequent poster on http://www.petsforum.com/ or http://www.thepetsforums.com/ or www.craigslist.org (the pets forum) it might be helpful to see if there is someone there who might want to rescue Conan. There are other avenues besides Usenet, and I think it would be a positive step to try and use them all to gain this kitty a new home. Marjorie, that paragon of sanity :-) > My suggestion for right now is to try other avenues to find rescuers in the > LA/OC area. If anyone is a frequent poster on http://www.petsforum.com/ or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Marjorie, that paragon of sanity :-) Sorry to follow up on my own post, but I did post on the first and last of these suggested sites. Hopefully someone might take up the gauntlet. I gave the phone number of the shelter, but didn't know the exact name of it's location. Perhaps a repost of that info, along with the photos might help Conan find a new home. Marjorie the Sane >> > I also think it's highly possible that Katherine, or someone else at >> > the [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Marjorie, that paragon of sanity :-) Marjorie ... the voice of reason. :^) Signature- Philip Member of the Don't Let Mary Off The Hook Club >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message > news:42c0822d_1@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > They are out-of-town adoptions and Katherine will not allow them. snip THAT IS A LIE OF YOUR OWN DESIGN, Mary. > >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message > > news:42c0822d_1@x-privat.org... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > THAT IS A LIE OF YOUR OWN DESIGN, Mary. You don't have to yell, you ugly old man. Of course it is not "a lie" of my own design. You read the Anonymous CatKG a.shole's post this morning. If you can get your murky mind off of your bleeding hemorrhoids for a minute, you will recall that she said: " Despite, what Mary says, Katherine denied that any sort of out-of-state adoption had been approved, or ever would be." See the entire post below. This post, together with the fact that Katherine has not returned my call, tells me that it is probably true. But even if it is not, I am not asking Dan to drive out there unless I can be certain he will be allowed to take Conan. We cannot guarantee anything until I speak with Katherine, and she will not return my calls. So, I am at an impasse. Besides, Dan has returned the adoption and travel expense money. It's not a big deal, right? You said that Katherine said he has until July 4th now. Surely the folks who pulled together to oppose this rescue can find Conan a home before then and a way to transport him. Many have offered funds. It will be just fine. I did what I could. I am not one to wale away at things I cannot change. I tried to do some good and failed. You always said I would, so, there you go. > I recently started reading this board, and have been following Conan's story! > After reading some of the messages, I became extremely concerned about the > fact that people could justify placing Conan with Charlie Wilkes. He would > not provide a suitable home for Conan. Anyone who gets his cat high should > not have a cat. From what I have seen over and over, he has shown that he > neglects, and in my opinion abuses, animals. I cannot believe that anybody > would even think about placing Conan there. It makes me ill to think about > the situation. > > Anyways, what Mary said about the adoption and its process was completely > false. I was on the phone with Katherine at the Orange County Shelter today, > and nothing Mary has said is true. Conan is not presently at risk for being > euthanized. Yes, he will be "re-evaluated" on Wednesday, but Katherine said > that as long as he is in good health and is an adoptable cat, which we know > he is, he will be kept longer. I don't think that leaving him in the shelter > for a few more days so we could find a more suitable home would pose any sort > of a problem. > > Mary claimed to have "arranged" for Conan to be picked up. Katherine said > numerous times that the Orange County Shelter is a publicly-run government- > funded organization, therefore, no one can arrange for an out-of-state > adoption. Animals are adopted on a first-come, first-serve basis. If you > have the money, you can have the cat. Katherine said she did not receive any > applications from Charlie Wilkes, because they have no applications process > and they do not do ANY sort of screening. It is not possible that anyone > could have applied to adopt Conan, because they don't take applications. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Conan has some time, and I think it is a mistake for people to rush into this > adoption. Take a little time, have some standards, and find Conan a good > home. At this point, nobody should settle for someone like Charlie. Instead > the focus should be put on finding a really wonderful home for Conan with > someone that can give him all of the wonderful things he deserves. In the phone call today, no one was vilified, demonized, denigrated, slandered, disparaged, etc. Shelter policies were simply examined and reviewed. No plans were derailed, because there is no way there could have been any plans. The bottom line, as stated before by myself and many others is, you have the money, you have the cat. That is all there is to it. Fondly, The A.shole >> >> "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> wrote in message >> > news:42c0822d_1@x-privat.o |
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