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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005PLEASE READ - Conan's Adoption
Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I think that's what everyone else wants too. I took it for granted that someone on here had actually had a conversation with Charlie Wilkes and done some screening. Some troubling posts have jumped out at me, and I thought I should bring them to everyone's attention. The rooster thread is particularly disturbing, as well as some of the comments made about cats. Doesn't strike me as a cat lover. There are some posts about growing pot, and while my own personal beliefs are that pot should be legalized (no, I don't smoke it or do any drugs) this is not a suitable environment for a cat. He could be arrested and the animals taken away. I would not adopt a cat to someone I knew was engaging in illegal activity. There's also reference to a cat back in 2001 but no reference to it since. So, here are the links: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/11d073ae9ddabe2d?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_thread/thread/ f354ec42ed29539c/8605ae5dec89c0b1?q=cat&rnum=37&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/7613eb9575a2ca00?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/63c700bae25baee7?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.agriculture.poultry/browse_thread/thread /4f99320f21fbcd9e/e9a8873fa8ad602f?q=charlie+wilkes&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_thread/thread/ 4fbea26496d311e0/6f3e2818300bb3a1?q=charlie+wilkes&rnum=8&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.drugs.pot/msg/f454ddf3529145e9 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/d9f9ac9c51d80169 > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler > and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I > think that's what everyone else wants too. > I took it for granted that someone on here had actually had a conversation > with Charlie Wilkes and done some screening. We watched Charlie care for and try to help the little stray he had in his bathroom for so long, and have had numerous conversations with him in the group. I feel confident about him. If you don't then don't contribute to the fund. > We watched Charlie care for and try to help the little stray he had in > his bathroom for so long, and have had numerous conversations with > him in the group. I feel confident about him. If you don't then don't > contribute to the fund. You think someone that cuts the toe off a rooster, with no anesthesia, gets his cat high, makes comments about throwing kittens out the car window and putting a cat in a box and holding it up to a tailpipe, and not taking a cat to the vet that was bleeding from the nose and mouth is a suitable adopter? One good deed does not clear all these things IMO. -Kelly > > We watched Charlie care for and try to help the little stray he had in > > his bathroom for so long, and have had numerous conversations with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > One good deed does not clear all these things IMO. Charlie has a strange sense of humor, I will give you that. I have no emotional investment in sending Conan to Charlie if that is not what the others who are supporting this rescue want to do. I have less interest in the comments and opinions of those who are not financially supporting this rescue, as Rhonda, TracyRose, Dan and Charlie have of course volunteered to do via their money or their time--the latter which amounts to money too. If not Charlie, then who else? Let's have a Who's Best for Conan contest, the prize being Conan. :) >If not Charlie, then who else? Let's have a Who's Best for >Conan contest, the prize being Conan. :) I can ask my sister tomorrow. Her finances are tight, but I'm going to suplement her kitty supplies for awhile. I won't help with her bills (unless she needs a vet or a doctor). But I will pay for food and litter. She has two cats. Booper looks like Conan and he's 11 years old. He has been indoor/outdoor all his life. Whisper is 2 years old, and he is strictly indoors, and a bit lonely since his buddy goes outside without him. Another indoor kitty would give him a buddy and take the play pressure off Booper (who is past playing rough). It's after 1am, so I'll give her a call tomorrow and see if she is interested.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > > We watched Charlie care for and try to help the little stray he had in > > his bathroom for so long, and have had numerous conversations with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > One good deed does not clear all these things IMO. Oh jeez :( This does NOT sound like a good home for Conan - at all. > Oh jeez :( This does NOT sound like a good home for Conan - at all. It's very troubling, although in the other thread that BBB keeps changing the title of, where Charlie gives his "self-disclosure" statement, he sounds very rational and conscientious. Maybe I'm gullible. I don't know. Utlimately, it's going to be up to Dan, Rhonda, and Tracey what happens. I worry about Conan running out of time where he is. There are no-kill shelters in OC that Tracy posted the other day. I said I would call a couple if someone else wanted to call a couple, too, but no one seemed interested, and then the whole Charlie thing developed anyway making it a moot point. Tomorrow I'll be at work and I don't know if I can make any long distance calls from there very easily. If it was the pot alone, I wouldn't be very concerned. My neighbor smokes incessantly and she's a very conscentious pet owner. But, yes, the animal related things were troubling and we don't know if they were said in a joking matter or if they are true. I assume the rooster story is true, for sure. I guess Charlie is in the same situation a politician is, once you declare, your life is put out there for all to judge. Personally, I have very mixed feelings but I'm not a key player here. Candace > > Oh jeez :( This does NOT sound like a good home for Conan - at all. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > no one seemed interested, and then the whole Charlie thing developed > anyway making it a moot point. Dan has already offered to try to get Conan into a no-kill if we need to. The point is that he be taken to another home, not another goddamned shelter. I will see to it, with Dan and Rhonda's help, that this happens one way or another. > Dan has already offered to try to get Conan into a no-kill if we need to. > The point is that he be taken to another home, not another > goddamned shelter. I will see to it, with Dan and Rhonda's help, that this > happens one way or another. Yes, I understand, I just worry about the *particular* shelter he is in but I'm sure Dan can spring him if need be. I just thought, from the other thread that you started, "Adopt this Great Cat," that maybe you were backing out of the Charlie thing, too. I'm ambivalent and confused about Charlie, at this point, but, like I said, I am not one of the players here other than offering to donate a little cash. Dan and Rhonda are the ones who will have Conan in their possession prior to delivering him to his new home. Ultimately, it will be in their hands. It's just unfortunate that there are these uncertainties now so close to the goal being reached. I'm sure Rhonda needs to know how to proceed with the tickets and taking a day off, etc. Candace >> Dan has already offered to try to get Conan into a no-kill if we need >> to. The point is that he be taken to another home, not another [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > other thread that you started, "Adopt this Great Cat," that maybe you > were backing out of the Charlie thing, too. Mary is getting some OTJ training in marketing a pet. > I'm ambivalent and confused about Charlie, at this point, but, like I > said, I am not one of the players here other than offering to donate a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Candace This rescue effort has reached a point where only the paying / subsidizing parties have any business posting their concerns and/or influencing the choices. Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. > Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. Really. I was one of the first to say I'd donate and I continue to say that. As far as I know, only one person, Mary, has put her money where her mouth is so far. The rest of us have to wait to find out Tracy's PayPal acct. Candace >> Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Candace Promising to donate is not the same as the recipient GETTING your donation. :^) > Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. When I called the shelter, it only costs $50.00 All you need is Transportation, and the new cat slave can pay the 50 dollars. Rhonda seems pretty confident she can get an air pass, this is excellent. See...it got complicated from the beginning. In the studio when I record, we tell one another. KISS. (not you, but for anyone frustrating the matter) >> Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > In the studio when I record, we tell one another. KISS. (not you, but > for anyone frustrating the matter) Keeping It Simple/Stupid would have been for one of you to adopt Conan directly, acting as a foster, until a "forever home" (God, what romanticism) was found between The Willing. But logistics of "The Concerned" required complication to say nothing of the considerable politics. Simple celled organism becomes an animal. Is Conan still in jail as of 09:45 PDT June 27? >>> Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Is Conan still in jail as of 09:45 PDT June 27? Probably is, Arthur, the one you put him in. >>>> Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Probably is, Arthur, the one you put him in. Did you visit Conan today? Or at all? Can you make yourself useful? Put even simpler, and this is the part Charlie wrote about...(about the drunk wallowing in his own vomit?) It's called disfunctional. Truly heartbreaking. > >> Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Is Conan still in jail as of 09:45 PDT June 27? >>> Dan has already offered to try to get Conan into a no-kill if we need >>> to. The point is that he be taken to another home, not another [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Candace .... you have not bought a ticket in to the Rescue Club. And neither have you, Arthur. > > Dan has already offered to try to get Conan into a no-kill if we need to. > > The point is that he be taken to another home, not another [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > other thread that you started, "Adopt this Great Cat," that maybe you > were backing out of the Charlie thing, too. No, Candace. I am not. I believe Charlie is meant to have Conan. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Consider this: the dirt Cheryl dug up on him in two cases had to do with saving animals suffering--and in one, making sure his dog did not stray again, because straying where he is is unsafe due to the wild animals alone. > I'm ambivalent and confused about Charlie, at this point, but, like I > said, I am not one of the players here other than offering to donate a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > needs to know how to proceed with the tickets and taking a day off, > etc. I have no uncertainties. But of course I am interested in seeing who responds to my post and is interested in adopting Conan. In any case, never fear! I have provided the money to get Conan out, and Dan is right there ready to snatch him out of the shelter. Those two things are a given. If Rhonda wishes to withdraw her help based upon the concerns expressed by Cheryl and KellyH, we can find a local home. (I know where your heart is---because I remember that you were as upset as I was the night we learned Conan had been returned. Thanks for your genuine concern, Candace.) > Consider this: the dirt Cheryl dug up on him in two cases had to do > with saving animals suffering--and in one, making sure his dog did > not stray again, because straying where he is is unsafe due to the > wild animals alone. I'm still concerned about the dog incident. I can understand securing the dog so she doesn't run off, but not feeding for two days? > In any case, never fear! I have provided the money to get Conan out, > and Dan is right there ready to snatch him out of the shelter. Those two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > were as upset as I was the night we learned Conan had been > returned. Thanks for your genuine concern, Candace.) I'm confused now after reading Charlie's post. I don't know what to think. On the one hand, the posts I read concern me greatly. On the other, I don't live in an isolated area which explains some of the stuff, and I don't have a sick sense of humor when it comes to animals. Signature-Kelly > > Consider this: the dirt Cheryl dug up on him in two cases had to do > > with saving animals suffering--and in one, making sure his dog did [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > live in an isolated area which explains some of the stuff, and I don't have > a sick sense of humor when it comes to animals. Confused? Did Charlie's account, complete with photos, convince you that he was cruel to that rooster? Congrats on falling hook line and sinker for Cheryl's bullshit, Kelly. > Confused? Did Charlie's account, complete with photos, convince > you that he was cruel to that rooster? I don't know a damn thing about poultry, so I'll toss out the rooster incident for now. Some people on the poultry ng said it was cruel to cut the toe off, some said not. There's still the tying the dog up and not feeding for two days and the other comments that, like I said, I'm not sure whether or not to chalk up to a sick sense of humor or what. I'm not one who even jokes about stuff like that. > Congrats on falling hook line and sinker for Cheryl's bullshit, Kelly. I don't know the guy from a hole in the ground, and neither do you. I don't see anything wrong with gathering as much information as possible to make a decision. Signature-Kelly > > Confused? Did Charlie's account, complete with photos, convince > > you that he was cruel to that rooster? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I don't know the guy from a hole in the ground, and neither do you. How well can we know ANYONE, including your "friends" in Seattle, who might offer to adopt Conan? >I don't > see anything wrong with gathering as much information as possible to make a > decision. Of course you don't. And if Wednesday comes and he is re-evaluated and euthanized, then what? Or if there is a glitch in the paper work and they do it early as they did last week? You've been duped, plain and simple. As it stands at this moment, Dan is authorized to pick Conan up tomorrow morning if need be and he has the money and the resources to do it. None of you need be consulted at all. >>> Confused? Did Charlie's account, complete with photos, convince >>> you that he was cruel to that rooster? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > tomorrow morning if need be and he has the money and the resources to > do it. None of you need be consulted at all. That's the way I felt about returning Conan. None of you needed be consulted at all. But of course, yawl's went berserk. So Mary, by revealing these rescue efforts, you DO have to get consensus and agreement for political reasons. >As it stands at this moment, Dan is authorized to pick Conan up tomorrow >morning if need be and he has the money and the resources to do it. None of >you need be consulted at all. Be careful Mary you are going from a person earning some respect and doing a great thing with your leadership along with the others into a holier than though with your consulted comment. I haven't read all of the posts but this is the second time I see you suggesting you are better or more important than the rest of the group. I haven't had that impression from any of the others. Wake up a little this guy is a sicko and as far as Kelly's? cousin yes there is a difference Kelly knows her for heavens sake who knows this drug dealer and user? Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> Congrats on falling hook line and sinker for Cheryl's bullshit, Kelly. > > I don't know the guy from a hole in the ground, and neither do you. I > don't see anything wrong with gathering as much information as > possible to make a decision. Kelly .... how do you feel about the Chinese tradition of eating human placentas and aborted human fetuses? http://uproar.fortunecity.com/picture/613/fetusyum.htm http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_104.html http://www.trosch.org/lif/baby-eat.html > Kelly .... how do you feel about the Chinese tradition of eating human > placentas and aborted human fetuses? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.trosch.org/lif/baby-eat.html WTF does that have to do with anything? Signature-Kelly > > Kelly .... how do you feel about the Chinese tradition of eating human > > placentas and aborted human fetuses? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > WTF does that have to do with anything? Phillip is a troll. A real troll. It is just supposed to upset you, as that is what trolls do. And this is an old man. Acting like a slobbering, sneering 10-year-old. Ugh. >> Kelly .... how do you feel about the Chinese tradition of eating human >> placentas and aborted human fetuses? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > WTF does that have to do with anything? I was going to invite you out to dinner? Oh boy, this group will keep you on your toes! I spoke to Charlie on the phone yesterday about his schedules, etc. -- and he seemed very nice, very logical, and concerned about Conan. He said that having him returned to the shelter really pulled at his heart-strings just like it did the rest of us. I did not conduct an adoption interview, I figured that would all be done by the shelter. I wouldn't even know how to do one. Of course big questions that should be asked are about past animals and pets. If the questions are answered to satisfy the adoption agency or shelter, then the adoption should go through. Charlie was nice enough to step forward when no one else was able to. I don't think it's our place to tear him apart when he's trying to help, but I agree questions should be asked (like they were to all of us when we adopted from a shelter.) I think this has become kind of a group adoption and I would really like everyone to be comfy with it. I also know Charlie is not emotionally tied to the adoption, so if we can find a closer adopter he would probably not mind -- right, Charlie? So I think there should be an adoption inquiry. If there is not a closer adopter and the shelter is releasing Conan to Dan without the normal questions to Charlie, is there someone on the group experienced in this? Has anyone ever worked in adoptions at shelter? If so, could they do the normal inquiry with Charlie, and would the group agree with the results? Not that the answers need to be posted here for us to be judge and jury, but basically that the "adoption counselor" agrees his situation is right for Conan. I very much appreciate Charlie coming forward to do such a good thing, I'm also interested in what's best for Conan, and do not want to wait too much longer since I don't much trust deadlines at shelters. They are such busy places and are dealing with large numbers of animals. What do you think? Rhonda > Oh boy, this group will keep you on your toes! > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Rhonda I am an adoption counselor at a limited admission shelter. I also want to point out that I am not trying to tear Charlie down when he has offered to help, the point of all this is to find out if he is a suitable adopter. He did respond in another post to the posts that I referenced. Based on those responses, if he were adopting a cat from me, no, I would not adopt to him. Call me a tightass, busybody shelter lady, but that is how I feel. Number one is that I would not adopt to someone who I know is growing pot. Regardless of how I personally feel about it, the person is at risk for being arrested and the animals taken away. That's not the type of environment in which I would place a cat. The comment about driving drunk and hitting the cat also bothers me, as well as his other ones about drowning the cat and throwing kittens out the window. I have no idea if he's joking or not, but it doesn't sit well with me. Here are the major questions I ask of adopters: How many pets do you have? Are they indoors or outdoors? Are they up-to-date on vaccinations? Spayed/neutered? Briefly describe your previous pets, and why you no longer have them. Who is your vet? May we contact them? Do you own or rent your home? If you rent, please provide a reference from your landlord. How do you feel about declawing? Do you plan to keep this cat indoors or outdoors? I have the luxury of meeting people in person at the shelter. I do screen people via phone or email, but the adoption is never final until I meet them personally and they meet the cat. It is a bit different doing it like this. Signature-Kelly Hi Kelly, those are good questions. Hopefully an interview will be conducted as normal so that everyone relaxes a little. The pot doesn't bother me, because there are people who have pets doing far worse things and in risk of being arrested. Heck, how many people cheat on their taxes? How many are carrying guns without a permit? It's just that we don't know those things. I think the drunk driving was sarcasm also -- "I had to drive because I was too drunk to walk..." This has been an interesting evening. Rhonda > I am an adoption counselor at a limited admission shelter. I also want to > point out that I am not trying to tear Charlie down when he has offered to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > people via phone or email, but the adoption is never final until I meet them > personally and they meet the cat. It is a bit different doing it like this. snip > Here are the major questions I ask of adopters: > How many pets do you have? ONE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That description is detailed on this forum for those who care to read it > with an open, adgenda free, perspective. > Who is your vet? May we contact them? (Name withheld), YES. YOU CAN > CONTACT THE NEW VET TOO. > Do you own or rent your home? OWN > If you rent, please provide a reference from your landlord. NA [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > until I meet them personally and they meet the cat. It is a bit > different doing it like this. PERSONALLY, I cannot see adopting any pet (esp indoor) without getting acquainted for at least 15 minutes in a quiet place. Now do I qualify? Of course not. I can hear the shrieks and gnashing of teeth if you read this far! So there are MANY more qualifications than the ones listed above. Your interview criteria is fluid and highly subjective. I know people are now in a hurry to make sure that plans don't go bad or that Conan runs out of time. I am still concerned about handing over a cat to somebody who makes those statements, and I don't think that time should be a reason to continue with plans that may not be good. My sister was really excited when I asked her if she would be interested. She wants him. And she is in Seattle, so the same flight plans would work for her too. Also, she was not planning to adopt any in the near future, so she is not taking away from local shelters. >Here are the major questions I ask of adopters: >How many pets do you have? 2 cats >Are they indoors or outdoors? one I/O for 10 years and one strictly indoors. The new cat would be an indoor only buddy to keep Whisper company. >Are they >up-to-date on vaccinations? Spayed/neutered? Yes, and yes. >Briefly describe your previous pets, and why you no longer have them. Darcy was a seal point siamese. My sister had her for 15 years. She had respiratory problems at the end. That was probably 15 years ago. Tiger wasa lynx point siamese, and she had him 14 years. He had arthritus at the end, and she was grinding up supplements for him. He suddenly quit eating, so she took him to the vet, and they determined that his intenstines had hardened. I can't remember what it was called, but it was decided that it was best to euthanize him. Her current kitties are 11 and 2. I can post pics if you want. >Who is your vet? May we contact them? I know it is called Five Corners something. I'll see if I can get the info from her. She doesn't use the same vet as me. >Do you own or rent your home? If you rent, please provide a reference from >your landlord. She rents the basement of my parent's rental home, which is next door. No problem with the landlord. I can send info privately by email. >How do you feel about declawing? Disgusting. I can also send pics of the frayed couch (it was attacked years ago by my mom's cat) and a well used cat tree. The cats are more important that furniture. >Do you plan to keep this cat indoors or outdoors? Indoors. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > I know people are now in a hurry to make sure that plans don't go bad > or that Conan runs out of time. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > interested. She wants him. And she is in Seattle, so the same flight > plans would work for her too. <snip> Why don't we go with Meghan's sister? Sounds like a great home to me. Signature-Kelly > > I know people are now in a hurry to make sure that plans don't go bad > > or that Conan runs out of time. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Why don't we go with Meghan's sister? Sounds like a great home to me. Because she is out of town and the a.shole who called the shelter this morning told Katherine that both Charlie Wilkes (who I told her about yesterday when she okayed the adoption) and I are some sort of cat killers. Therefore we are not authorized to adopt him out of town. >>> I know people are now in a hurry to make sure that plans don't go bad >>> or that Conan runs out of time. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > yesterday when she okayed the adoption) and I are some sort of > cat killers. Therefore we are not authorized to adopt him out of town. The Big Lie: Nobody from outside the state of California may adopt from the OC Animal Shelter. >> > I know people are now in a hurry to make sure that plans don't go bad >> > or that Conan runs out of time. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >yesterday when she okayed the adoption) and I are some sort of >cat killers. Therefore we are not authorized to adopt him out of town. So have Dan go in, or have Dan bring a friend and have that friend, with a totally unknown name to them - adopt the cat. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com snip > Charlie was nice enough to step forward when no one else was able to. I > don't think it's our place to tear him apart when he's trying to help, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rhonda Charlie: As I predicted in my adoption is like a marriage post, the red flag just went up. These "well meaning, concerned" persons are going to stick their collective noses in your life by demainding progress reports about Conan and making judgements. Expect phone calls and letters to your home. If one of them gets disgruntled, watch out! >Oh boy, this group will keep you on your toes! > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Rhonda I think in the interview Charlie might forget to mention about throwing cats out the window of this vehicle and running someone off the road in order to run over a cat........and if he didn't why would he brag about doing it?? Has he commented about these things at all? Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >I think in the interview Charlie might forget to mention about >throwing cats out the window of this vehicle and running someone off >the road in order to run over a cat........and if he didn't why would >he brag about doing it?? Has he commented about these things at all? I've reformed Brad. I used to run animals down every chance I got, but then I saw the light, and now I love animals. It's true I backslide once in awhile and kill something just to see the blood splatter, but no one is perfect. Charlie >>I think in the interview Charlie might forget to mention about >>throwing cats out the window of this vehicle and running someone off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Charlie Excellent Charlie......as long as you only kill animals once in awhile for fun then I guess thats ok.......I just hope all the people who thought you were ok read that..... Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" Argh. Well, I was just trying to help this group do something positive (instead of eternally sniping at each other). I'm not personally convinced that a home in rural Washington with a pot-growing marketing consultant is the worst thing in the world for an energetic two year old cat. What is obvious to me is that kitten season at a municipal shelter is not a good place to be, and that while Dan may be able to spring the cat, he has six cats already and is not in a position to indefinitely hold the cat until other options are worked out. I took a look at the shelter website and it looks like they have ALOT of cats in their custody, and spots in a no-kill can be hard to come by this time of year. I'm inclined to think Charlie's offer was well-intentioned and that most people here could be googled to find some outrageous comments - given all the sniping and melodrama that goes on - that might make me doubt their suitability to own their cats, but they take good care of them. I think Conan is likely to be fine even though his owner has tendencies towards sarcasm. His explanations above seem reasonable to me and his existing cat seems to have been rescued and taken care of. If an injured semi-feral barn cat was helped, neutered, vaccinated and has lived with him for several years, then I think he's right. He can offer a Conan a home and that's what Conan needs. As for paypal, I'm happy to post an account to reimburse Rhonda, but lets wait until a flight is booked .... Tracy Maybe Philip could answer that question. How well does Conan handle sarcasm? :) Rhonda > I think Conan is likely to be fine even though his owner has tendencies > towards sarcasm. > Maybe Philip could answer that question. How well does Conan handle > sarcasm? :) lol! > Rhonda > > > I think Conan is likely to be fine even though his owner has tendencies > > towards sarcasm. Sarcasm works when all parties concerned possess a similar set of life experiences and have social skills in reading voice inflections and body language. I've never been a stray cat and Conan has never been married. LOL > Maybe Philip could answer that question. How well does Conan handle > sarcasm? :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> I think Conan is likely to be fine even though his owner has >> tendencies towards sarcasm. > Argh. Well, I was just trying to help this group do something positive > (instead of eternally sniping at each other). I'm not personally > convinced that a home in rural Washington with a pot-growing marketing > consultant is the worst thing in the world for an energetic two year > old cat. You are so sane!! THANK YOU for being so sane! >What is obvious to me is that kitten season at a municipal > shelter is not a good place to be, and that while Dan may be able to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > their custody, and spots in a no-kill can be hard to come by this time > of year. They have room for 300 and are full. I'm inclined to think Charlie's offer was well-intentioned and > that most people here could be googled to find some outrageous comments > - given all the sniping and melodrama that goes on - that might make me [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > As for paypal, I'm happy to post an account to reimburse Rhonda, but > lets wait until a flight is booked .... It seems Rhonda is not in agreement with us regarding Charlie. So once again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death while the shelter gets the needle ready. Mary, What do you mean? I think Charlie sounded very nice and caring, or did I not make that clear? I also emailed you that I'm checking flight schedules and passes tomorrow. Rhonda > It seems Rhonda is not in agreement with us regarding Charlie. So once > again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." > Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death > while the shelter gets the needle ready. > Mary, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rhonda I must have misunderstood you, Rhonda. Sorry. ;) > > It seems Rhonda is not in agreement with us regarding Charlie. So once > > again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." > > Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death > > while the shelter gets the needle ready. Okay. I thought -- "what did I say?" I just emailed Charlie to make sure he didn't have the same impression. Rhonda >>Mary, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>>Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death >>>while the shelter gets the needle ready. > Okay. I thought -- "what did I say?" > > I just emailed Charlie to make sure he didn't have the same impression. Let's just make this thing happen, Rhonda. Then we can settle back and enjoy watching Conan on the Charlie cam! :) Off to bed, and I will be eagerly awaiting your news tomorrow. I feel certain that there are many people who still want to help with Conan's flight cost, but if not ... well, you know. >So once > again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." > Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death > while the shelter gets the needle ready. That is the bottom line. As for the "committee," the "principles," Mary, Dan, Rhonda, Tracy, and Charlie are in agreement so that is really the committee. The rest of us can vote by contributing or not. I said all along I would contribute and I meant it. Candace > >So once > > again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > really the committee. The rest of us can vote by contributing or not. > I said all along I would contribute and I meant it. Thank you, Candace. >> Argh. Well, I was just trying to help this group do something positive >> (instead of eternally sniping at each other). I'm not personally [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You are so sane!! THANK YOU for being so sane! "Sanity" defined is: having the same values and eccentricities as Mary. > It seems Rhonda is not in agreement with us regarding Charlie. So once > again a good cause is in danger of suffering from "death by committee." > Conan's rescue will not so much be murdered as discussed to death > while the shelter gets the needle ready. Conan's rescue WILL be discussed to death regardless. Count on it. >>> Argh. Well, I was just trying to help this group do something positive >>> (instead of eternally sniping at each other). I'm not personally [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Conan's rescue WILL be discussed to death regardless. Count on it. You seem to be doing a great job of it yourself, Arthur. o wrote: >>>> Argh. Well, I was just trying to help this group do something >>>> positive (instead of eternally sniping at each other). I'm not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You seem to be doing a great job of it yourself, Arthur. Seems I have new alias. Just getting back to the web here after being gone for a few days, recuperatin' in Michigan. So, uh...I'm still totally "in" on this Conan situation financially. As important as it is to find the right home for him, I do not have the mental stamina right now to get involved in all the particulars. Please allow me to use my own personal health right now as my reasoning. :-) At any rate, I am not very concerned about Charlie. I think he's the real deal. (I can't believe how many of you guys have your panties in a wad over some pot.) (anyway...) So...Mary, maybe you could be kind enough to keep me informed via email? I have over 1,000 rpchb posts to wade thru and if I missed something I'd like to know...i.e...when and where $ is being sent. Thanks! Pam -now with much less radioactivity! ;) > Just getting back to the web here after being gone for a few days, > recuperatin' in Michigan. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mental stamina right now to get involved in all the particulars. Please > allow me to use my own personal health right now as my reasoning. :-) Well, Okay ... :) > At any rate, I am not very concerned about Charlie. I think he's the > real deal. (I can't believe how many of you guys have your panties in a > wad over some pot.) :O) Another sane voice! (anyway...) So...Mary, maybe you could be kind > enough to keep me informed via email? I have over 1,000 rpchb posts to > wade thru and if I missed something I'd like to know...i.e...when and > where $ is being sent. You bet, doll. take good care of you. I will email you and keep you up to date. Hope the little vacation to the Michigan summer home was just what you two needed. > Thanks! > Pam > -now with much less radioactivity! ;) >Just getting back to the web here after being gone for a few days, >recuperatin' in Michigan. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Pam >-now with much less radioactivity! ;) Its got nothing to do with pot.....If that was the issue this would have been settled long ago but now people call him and he talks real nice so his posts mean nothing? Sometimes people get blinded when reaching for a goal...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > I think Conan is likely to be fine even though his owner has tendencies > towards sarcasm. His explanations above seem reasonable to me and his > existing cat seems to have been rescued and taken care of. If an > injured semi-feral barn cat was helped, neutered, vaccinated and has > lived with him for several years, then I think he's right. He can offer > a Conan a home and that's what Conan needs.>>. I understood it that the cat you mentioned above was only recently rescued , it hasn't lived with him for several years . I dont know wha happened to the mother feral and babies that were in his yard. His past posts speak for themselves , I'm sure he does have a sarcastic humour but you shouldn't dismiss the way he deals with his animals. Tying to train a dog by tying it up for two days and not feeding it , how will he deal with Conan if he fights with the other cat or scratches his sofa or pees in the corner. I hope he will be given enough information on how to deal with any problems he may have . I hope it does work out but what plans do you have if it doesnt? Alison how will he deal with Conan if he fights with the other > cat or scratches his sofa or pees in the corner. Those are the questions that always haunt me about adopting a cat. Sherry Just in a more general sense: Like Kelly, I volunteer-work with a fairly small limited admission no-kill shelter that's pretty fussy and turns down a lot of adopters - more probably than I would turn down if it were up to me. That's their perogative, of course, but honestly, especially at this time of the year, it haunts me. While the kill rate is not very high at our local municipal (mostly because we take a lot of their cats) - there are shelters with 70% kill rates 100 miles away. We could take more of their cats if we had room, and we don't have room because the average adult cat stays with us for almost 90 days in search of a fabulous home. They are lucky cats and they do get great homes - even if it takes over a year - which it does sometimes. I do think, though, that if the cats could talk, they might vote in favor of a "good enough" home, as opposed to long shelter stays, or the deaths of masses of their compatriots. I took a look at the Orange County Shelter pet list, and yeah we can turn the world upside down trying to find Conan a home that meets every standard on the desirable list, and just ignore the 25 other cats, also adorable, who are in just as much trouble as Conan is. We can try to get Conan in with Kelly's friends, who then won't adopt a Seattle-area cat from their shelter. There aren't enough homes for all of them, period, and rejecting an available home by someone, who after all, stepped up and made an offer when no one else has, is reducing the available quotient of homes, and somewhere, some cat, be it Conan or another lovely red tabbly boy that we don't know, will die because of it. I'm concerned for that cat, too. It's not like Charlie won't have access to a plethora of advice here, if needed, and after all this hoo-haa and flying the cat to him, I'm sure he wants it to work as much as anyone or why bother? As Sherry said, he can find a cat anywhere. If Conan could talk, I'd expect he'd say, just find me a place to live where someone will pet me and feed me and not keep me in a cage and not abandon me. Sometimes, we have to put the cat's need for a home ahead of our own need to be positive that it's the best possible situation. My standards are more in line with Sherry's - is it a good-enough home? And is it available when the cat needs it i.e. right now? > Just in a more general sense: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Sherry's - is it a good-enough home? And is it available when the cat > needs it i.e. right now? I agree 100%! I didn't participate in a thread a while back that discussed whether a cat should go to someone who couldn't afford the best possible vet treatment for the cat, but it made me think about it. I know it may be anthropomorphizing, but *I* would rather be free in a loving environment with *no* healthcare (even if I were ill) than killed - or even be caged for months (which, given a cat's life-span is the equivalent of years to them). Yes, it would be heaven if we could place all stray cats in homes where they have the best of everything but, unfortunately, life just isn't that accommodating. That's not to say we shouldn't try to reach that ideal, but just that we need to adjust to the realities of life until we can. Hugs, CatNipped > I agree 100%! > > I didn't participate in a thread a while back that discussed whether a cat > should go to someone who couldn't afford the best possible vet treatment for > the cat, but it made me think about it. >>> To me its not about the best vet treatment but whether a cat sees a vet when it needs to. As I expect you know from reading this NG that it can be a matter of life and death to the cat . I live in a suburban area and the RSPCA or other organisations will help people on low incomes and they also do low cost speys but they are not open 24/7 so there could be times when they would have to use a vet surgery and be able to pay. Alison -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "tracyrose@gmail.com" <tracyrose@gmail.com> <rational analysis snipped> >There >aren't enough homes for all of them, period, and rejecting an available >home by someone, who after all, stepped up and made an offer when no >one else has, is reducing the available quotient of homes, and >somewhere, some cat, be it Conan or another lovely red tabbly boy that >we don't know, will die because of it. I'm concerned for that cat, too. <More rational analysis snipped> Normally, I'm irritated by the type of post I'm about to make. But in this case, I'm making an exception. ME TOO!! > Just in a more general sense: > > Like Kelly, I volunteer-work with a fairly small limited admission > no-kill shelter that's pretty fussy and turns down a lot of adopters - > more probably than I would turn down if it were up to me. <snip> > It's not like Charlie won't have access to a plethora of advice here, > if needed, and after all this hoo-haa and flying the cat to him, I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sherry's - is it a good-enough home? And is it available when the cat > needs it i.e. right now? The shelter I'm at is pretty in the middle. Our average length of stay is 23 days. We have had cats in the system for over a year, but they are usually special needs cats and go into foster care. We don't leave a cat in a cage for months. If they are taking a long time to get adopted, we make other arrangements like fostering or letting them be in the office. We also have a barn program for cats that are not exactly housepet material. Yes, we screen people, and indoor-only is a priority around here because this is just not a safe place for cats to be outside for the most part. Lots of development, traffic, and the coyotes come right into people's yards, even in the daytime. I've seen them. We have made exceptions depending on the person, the home, and the cat. People can take home cats the same day. Most people are approved, but things like allowing the outdoors in an unsafe area, previous pets not being UTD on vetting or not spay/neutered, or disposing carelessly of a previous pet (oh I gave that cat away, got tired of him) will get someone turned down. I'm not naive, I know everyone isn't going to feed super premium food, carry the cat around on a velvet pillow, etc. All I wanted was the guy to be screened, seeing as how people are going to these lengths to get Conan to him. I admit I probably went about things the wrong way by posting the Google links, but the comments disturbed me. I guess it's all a moot point now anyway. -Kelly >> Just in a more general sense: >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > point now anyway. > -Kelly ARe you still disturbed? ;^) > Just in a more general sense: > > > It's not like Charlie won't have access to a plethora of advice here, > if needed, and after all this hoo-haa and flying the cat to him, I'm > sure he wants it to work as much as anyone or why bother? As Sherry [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Sherry's - is it a good-enough home? And is it available when the cat > needs it i.e. right now?>>. I understand what you are saying . I hope that if Charlie does adopt Conrad and there are problems then he will ask for advice and that he take it too. I do find Charlie an odd ball though I guess I find a lot of people on this NG odd any way, maybe because I'm English. LOL As I said before Charlie has a rural attitude to animals which I found worrying and I felt the way he dealt with his dog was, while he meant well, it was not the right way to deal with it as the dog wouldn't have made the association between his act of running off and the punishment, and was probably confused and bewildered at why he was tied up and not fed for two days. I worry what punishment Charlie could give Conan and that Conan won't understand and could be distressed by it. Any way I've said my bit so I'll try to shut up now.:) Alison >> Just in a more general sense: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Any way I've said my bit so I'll try to shut up now.:) > Alison It would be wise of any adopting party to sever all communications with you people regarding Conan's well being once he is in his new home. Really. Your smothering concern would also be an invasion of privacy. Were the tables turned, you would tell such pestering inquiries to F... off and die. > how will he deal with Conan if he fights with the other >> cat or scratches his sofa or pees in the corner. > > Those are the questions that always haunt me about adopting a cat. > > Sherry Or a husband! Lets remember although some fine people have taken the bull by the horns here that everyone or anyone pay or not has a right to voice an opinion and anyone has a right to evaluate that opinion or not. Having said that I will donate but I won't go through paypal I replace them with Netteller a long time ago because of major screwups with Paypal but I will certainly send a check or money order or whatever. Now my two cents......everyone got very excited (rightly so) about things starting to fall into place but reading those posts was very disturbing and no its not his "humor" as someone mentioned and even if it is its a very sick humor. And you have to read between the lines. He mentioned in one posting about all of the people who are coming over there all of the time and something about different people going in and out all the time.....what do you suppose these people are dropping by for? I'm not afraid to admit that I went through my hippy stage and smoked a lot of pot Vietnam was the start of that I am not sure if I would have started if I hadn't been there, probably because allot of friends were into it when I got back from the service who were not into it before I left. This guy is probably dealing hence all the people dropping by in and out. That combined with his sick humor tells me this guy is not the guy or gal we are looking for. The rooster story didn't bother me so much except for no forethought at all about some kind of aenestic but the one about having to swerve to run over the cat and throwing cats out on the highway and then justifying it yet ought to tell us something is wrong with this guy. I realize its a setback for the people who showed the caring and perserverance to get this thing going but I hope you people driving the bus so some soul searching about this guy. I am willing to bet that there will be an excess in the fund by the time this is done have you guys talked about that. My vote would go for some payment as a thank you for those who ran the show and put some time and effort into this and the rest going to a shelter of their choosing. My kitten only cost like $170 to fly to me from OK I'm in WI that included the carrier and the vet papers I needed Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > > Oh jeez :( This does NOT sound like a good home for Conan - at all. > > It's very troubling, although in the other thread that BBB keeps > changing the title of, where Charlie gives his "self-disclosure" > statement, he sounds very rational and conscientious. Maybe I'm > gullible. I don't know. I don't think you're gullible, Candace. It can be very hard to know someone from their posts. I read through the threads that Kelly posted about Charlie, and I don't know what to think. > > If it was the pot alone, I wouldn't be very concerned. My neighbor > smokes incessantly and she's a very conscentious pet owner. But, yes, > the animal related things were troubling and we don't know if they were > said in a joking matter or if they are true. I assume the rooster > story is true, for sure. I don't have a problem with the pot thing either, but just hope Charlie never gets busted for it or his pets could be without a home. Doesn't sound like he's a dealer or anything though and he does live in a rural area. I read through the rooster story and there sure are a lot of differing opinions. I can understand Charlie wanting to put the rooster out of pain, but wished he would have used anesthesia of some sort. > I guess Charlie is in the same situation a politician is, once you > declare, your life is put out there for all to judge. For politicians, sometimes your life is out there without even declaring, lol. > Personally, I have very mixed feelings but I'm not a key player here. > > Candace I know how you feel :( Lauren > but just hope Charlie >never gets busted for it or his pets could be without a home. Anyone else see anything ironic about this statement? Wouldn't a little discretion improve his odds? -mhd >> We watched Charlie care for and try to help the little stray he had in >> his bathroom for so long, and have had numerous conversations with >> him in the group. I feel confident about him. If you don't then don't >> contribute to the fund. > >You think someone that cuts the toe off a rooster, with no anesthesia, gets Yes. I did it with a pair of angle cutters: http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/lop_toe.jpg This is the condition I was dealing with: http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/footrot.jpg I was on an island with no vet. This was a stray rooster who got kicked out of a barnyard and then wandered into my yard, so I started taking care of him as best I could. He acquired this condition while in the care of my tenants on the island. I had been away on business, but suddenly had time on my hands, and I dealt with the bird's problem. The bird was in terrible discomfort, made worse by the fact that the toe I severed had deformed and was under the ball of his foot, so any time he put pressure on that foot, he was stressing the joint. He could not walk. I thought he had a fungus infection, but it was scaly leg mites. I got into sci.agriculture.poultry and they got me straightened out -- it is necessary to soak the feet and then put oil on them every day until new skin forms and the legs heal. I also took the bird to the vet when I had an opportunity to do so. I took care of him all that fall and nursed him back to health. He was very friendly and trusting and he also developed an interesting bond with Holly. At night he slept in a cardboard box, which got a daily change of fresh grass-straw from the field in front of my house: http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/logan9_24.jpg He was next to the stone chimney in the part of the house where people hang out during the evening. Once he started to feel better, he was vocal and interactive. He loved to sit in my lap while I stroked his comb. He was never aggressive toward anyone. One day when he was feeling better, a toddler had a lot of fun playing with him and the bird enjoyed it too. He loved a hot bath. I started by soaking his feet, but I noticed he would make happy sounds when I lowered him into the water, so finally I just put him in the pot and let him steep: http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/log1010a.jpg Those baths really cleared up his leg mites, and they got rid of the northern fowl mites, too, which was important to me because I was handling this bird all the time. They brought a sheen to his feathers and seemed to improve his overall health. I always got my big wood stove good and hot for his bath, and afterwards, I would set him up to dry next to the stove, which is the dark blob on the right side of this picture: http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/log1010b.jpg The bird fully recovered. Unfortunately, he was killed by a predator in the middle of the winter, once again when I was away. The basic problem is that it's not reasonable to keep poultry in the house, like a cat or dog, but we didn't have a poultry house on the place at that time, although we have built one since so that further such accidents won't happen. >his cat high, makes comments about throwing kittens out the car window and >putting a cat in a box and holding it up to a tailpipe, and not taking a cat Indeed. I have made all those comments and many more that are a lot worse. Believe it or not, I think Google has intentionally deleted some of the worst stuff I have posted. But look in wa.general for some of the back-and-forth with the Australians if you want to really see my bad side. >to the vet that was bleeding from the nose and mouth is a suitable adopter? I like to spend my money judiciously because I have a finite supply. This was a semi-feral barn cat that I found on the road in the middle of the night. I did not know how seriously he was injured, and I was prepared to allow him to die in relative comfort if he was bleeding internally rather than take him to an emergency vet and start forking out cash for xrays, surgery, or whatever else might be required for this unknown cat. When he survived the night and began to recover, I had him examined (with lab work), neutered, and vaccinated. And he has turned out to be a wonderful pet. He is affectionate, calm and easy to manage, and the same can be said for my dog. I have a quiet household and I am home most of the time, which is why I think a stressed-out cat who has been passed around will probably settle in here well. Charlie >One good deed does not clear all these things IMO. > >-Kelly > I always got my big wood stove good and hot for his bath, and > afterwards, I would set him up to dry next to the stove, which is the > dark blob on the right side of this picture: > > http://www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/log1010b.jpg Awww, he looks very happy. Sorry to hear he got killed later on. Lauren > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for > being a Googler and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/d9f9ac9c5 > 1d80169 Thank you. Since no one takes my posts seriously any more, I'm glad you found the same things that I did and posted about. The rooster one bothers me too, and while I don't care if people smoke pot, I don't like that he gets his cat high. Charlie shouldn't adopt Conan. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >> Thank you. Since no one takes my posts seriously any more, I'm > glad you found the same things that I did and posted about. The > rooster one bothers me too, and while I don't care if people smoke > pot, I don't like that he gets his cat high. Charlie shouldn't > adopt Conan. I saw a photo of Charlie once, he has this lovely long beard , like ZZ Top. I dont care if he smokes pot either. I was concerned about the way he dealt with his dog when it ran away. Alison Oh goodness, I just don't know WHAT to think at this moment. I read all the links, and some of them were pretty disturbing. But then again, I don't know Charlie and I sure don't know his sense of humor, so I'm not sure whether or not he's just plain bizarre, or has got a real sarcastic vein running thru him. Whatever, it concerns me that Conan might be going to another home that might not work out. If I knew that my Ringo wouldn't kill Conan (and I don't), or pee all over our house (a sure bet) I'd have Conan flown here and you could become his surregate auntie. I just don't see how we could do that right now. But I'm scared for Conan. Does anyone 'know' Charlie who can vouch for him? Marjorie > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler > and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So, here are the links: I've been only semi-following Conan's story (or rpch+b in general lately). However, I did read the posts of the following links, & holy sh*t! Considering the content of these posts, I would not adopt an animal out to this person. Cathy > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/11d073ae9ddabe2d?hl=en > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/d9f9ac9c51d80169 > I've been only semi-following Conan's story (or rpch+b in general > lately). However, I did read the posts of the following links, & holy > sh*t! Considering the content of these posts, I would not adopt an > animal out to this person. > > Cathy You haven't read nothing! You just want to flame something. The rooster toe was rotted! I doubt the bird even felt it. Well, that's all I think of...If you really believe he was going to drown a cat then...you truly are a little trouble maker. A busy body A whisperer A backbiter A gossiper A tale-bearer I got more, but that's all for now. Leave Charlie Alone! I'm a bit concerned, I've just posted this is another thread. " What sort of home did you want for Conan? Will he live inside , can Charlie afford his vets bills etc ? Did you Google Charlie? I know Charlie from RPDB. He lives in a rural area and lives a rural life which has a harder attitude towards animals, Its kind of him to offer Conan a home and I know he cares about animals. he helped a stray cat he found but he found it bleeding and I appreciate there aren't many vets near by in rural areas but it never was checked over by a vet which is pretty important . Also his dog ran off and he tied it up outside and didn't feed it for two days to try to teach it not to do it again , That's not the way to go about dealing with an animal . I wonder if he knows enough about cats to be able to deal with introducing a new cat to his recent one and other problems that cats can present ." Alison Signaturehttp://catinfolinks.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ http://doginfolinks.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler > and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So, here are the links: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/11d073ae9ddabe2d?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_thread/thread/ f354ec42ed29539c/8605ae5dec89c0b1?q=cat&rnum=37&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/7613eb9575a2ca00?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/63c700bae25baee7?hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.agriculture.poultry/browse_thread/thread /4f99320f21fbcd9e/e9a8873fa8ad602f?q=charlie+wilkes&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_thread/thread/ 4fbea26496d311e0/6f3e2818300bb3a1?q=charlie+wilkes&rnum=8&hl=en http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.drugs.pot/msg/f454ddf3529145e9 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/d9f9ac9c51d80169 <Weed Monkey Stuff> Usually you and Mary are into it over something. Once in a while I see you kiss her a.s, just to have a friend. Can't you find something better to do, I bet your pussy needs washed! ol thang laying around stank'n up the house. Well Kelly, I have to hand it to you. Hey ... would you do a Google on me and post the WORST thing you turn up? Just one or two would suffice! :8^) > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a > Googler and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/d9f9ac9c51d80169 > Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler > and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I > think that's what everyone else wants too. > I took it for granted that someone on here had actually had a conversation > with Charlie Wilkes and done some screening. This is real typcial trailer park behavior! >Hi there. I am posting this at the risk of being flamed for being a Googler >and a troublemaker. I don't care. I want Conan to go to a good home, and I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >arrested and the animals taken away. I would not adopt a cat to someone I >knew was engaging in illegal activity. Well, you better find someone else if that is your criterion. >There's also reference to a cat back in 2001 but no reference to it since. > >So, here are the links: >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/seattle.general/msg/11d073ae9ddabe2d?hl=en That is Vegas, my island tenant's cat. She always wants in on the pipe. >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/browse_thread/thread/ f354ec42ed29539c/8605ae5dec89c0b1?q=cat&rnum=37&hl=en I decided not to get a kitten at that time. >http://groups-beta.google.com/g |
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