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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2005Flying Conan...another possibility
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was just thinking that I know a few pilots in the Seattle and Socal area through Usenet. Some of these guys are always looking for an excuse to fly somewhere. If the airline doesn't work out, I may still be able to get him a flight up north. Long shot....but maybe. Someone posted 900 miles. Is that one way or round trip. I don't have any west coast charts to check the distance. If you are talking about a small private airplane, I would think the noise would be very frightening to a cat. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: twinmountain@webtv.net (---MIKE---) >If you are talking about a small private airplane, I would think the >noise would be very frightening to a cat. Yea, their certainly not quiet. But they're louder outside than inside. But it is a long shot, and not the ideal solution. Now I'm hearing about 1200 miles distance. That's a long flight in a 150 - 200 mph plane. >If you are talking about a small private airplane, I would think the >noise would be very frightening to a cat. > > ---MIKE--- >>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... Yeah sure, now back to reality. -mhd >> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... > > Yeah sure, now back to reality. Someone needs to make sure that Conan has a vet certificate so he can fly. b >>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > b When you adopt, you get a FOLDER full of paper work which includes a certificate of sterility and recently administered vaccinations. >>>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >>>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >When you adopt, you get a FOLDER full of paper work which includes a >certificate of sterility and recently administered vaccinations. The certificate for flying has to have been done within the last ten days or something like that....... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >>>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to > >>>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The certificate for flying has to have been done within the last ten > days or something like that....... No paperwork of any kind is needed for some private person to put a cat in their personal airplane and fly somewhere. >>>>>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >>>>>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No paperwork of any kind is needed for some private person > to put a cat in their personal airplane and fly somewhere. This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. b > This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I > misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. Except this is past history. The cat won't be flying, he'll be placed locally. Candace > > This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I > > misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. > > > Except this is past history. The cat won't be flying, he'll be placed > locally. Is this news? Does this mean the San Diego man is taking him? > Is this news? Does this mean the San Diego man is taking him? I don't know but I thought Monica said he would be locally placed and I assumed that the original flight plans were no more. Didn't mean to speak out of turn but this thread seemed to be based on things that happened prior to Conan being sprung from the shelter. Candace > > Is this news? Does this mean the San Diego man is taking him? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Didn't mean to speak out of turn but this thread seemed to be based on > things that happened prior to Conan being sprung from the shelter. I see! I just thought you knew something I don't! Better tell me if you find anything out. I am looking forward to hearing that he is in his new home. > I see! I just thought you knew something I don't! Better tell me if > you find anything out. I am looking forward to hearing that he is > in his new home. No, I haven't heard anything other than what is on the ng. I was hoping we would get an update soon, too. The guy you spoke to sounded really nice from everything you said. Candace >>I see! I just thought you knew something I don't! Better tell me if >>you find anything out. I am looking forward to hearing that he is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Candace I suspect we may not get any update. It would be cool if we did. Even if it weren't very detailed. I don't really need to know anything about the people that adopt Conan or need to see further pictures, etc. But rescuers...if you are reading...when placement does happen...just news to that effect would be really splendid. :) Pam > >>I see! I just thought you knew something I don't! Better tell me if > >>you find anything out. I am looking forward to hearing that he is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > rescuers...if you are reading...when placement does happen...just news > to that effect would be really splendid. :) Oh I feel sure Monica will let us know--not who gets him--that makes no difference to me--but that he is in his home. She knows a lot of people care about that beautiful boy! >> Is this news? Does this mean the San Diego man is taking him? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Candace When there are 15 threads going its a bit hard to keep track....but yes I heard the same thing.....matter of fact weren't two people heading there at the same time for him....?? Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I >> misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. >> > Except this is past history. The cat won't be flying, he'll be placed > locally. Yeah, it's not clear to me WTF happened, but he appears to be out of the shelter now. b >>> This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I >>> misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > b What are you using for a newsreader that you could have MISSED all the hoopla over getting Conan out of the shelter? That occured a few days ago! > >> This is true. But that's not what we were talking about, unless I > >> misunderstood what Rhonda was saying. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, it's not clear to me WTF happened, but he appears to be out of > the shelter now. And that is the important thing. >No paperwork of any kind is needed for some private person >to put a cat in their personal airplane and fly somewhere. Sigh......I can go along with that I was answering Fillup who said he had a folder of papers for Conan and I was just warning him that the commercial airlines need a current health certificate..... Most private planes I'm sure don't go overseas except for the rich and famous and I would guess paperwork is needed to take an animal out of the country though. I can't let you go scott free for clubbing me......lol..... Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >>>>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >>>>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The certificate for flying has to have been done within the last ten > days or something like that....... Yes, and it has to be a specific certificate for flying. You can't just hand the airlines a huge stack of paperwork. b (who hasn't flown cats, but has flown rabbits multiple times) >>>>>> Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >>>>>> keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > b (who hasn't flown cats, but has flown rabbits multiple times) Hi Bisk, Some airlines do not require health certificates any longer -- American does not. They do require proof of rabies vaccine, though. When I was checking for Conan, I made sure to ask each airline. Rhonda >> Yes, and it has to be a specific certificate for flying. You can't just >> hand the airlines a huge stack of paperwork. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > When I was checking for Conan, I made sure to ask each airline. Cool. I figured you knew what you were doing, but just wanted to be a part of the wonderful rescue of Conan, even in just such a little way. b That was the neatest thing about this whole situation -- everyone helped. Everyone was doing their best to come up with ideas and possible adopters and ways to spring him. Conan was gone when Dan got there, but he saw two other gorgeous, friendly orange cats in there. Are you up for another addition to the family? :) Rhonda > Cool. I figured you knew what you were doing, but just wanted to be a > part of the wonderful rescue of Conan, even in just such a little way. > > b > That was the neatest thing about this whole situation -- everyone > helped. Everyone was doing their best to come up with ideas and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > friendly orange cats in there. Are you up for another addition to the > family? :) So what do I do? Rescue another bunny that no one wants? TNR the black tomcat that lives in the neighborhood? Hit the local shelter to check out the kittens? Adopt one of the kittens my friend is taming? Trap and force socialize Lady Grey (who is getting tame enough I can now "pet" her with a feather on a stick)? Soooooo many critters need a home, and so many need homes locally I'm not convinced I can emotionally justify recusing a cat from SoCal. b Well, my idea was written sort of tongue-in-cheek, but thanks for thinking about it seriously anyway. Rhonda PS -- I vote for Lady Grey >> That was the neatest thing about this whole situation -- everyone >> helped. Everyone was doing their best to come up with ideas and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > b > Well, my idea was written sort of tongue-in-cheek, but thanks for > thinking about it seriously anyway. I'm feeling ... out of sorts about the bunnies. So while you were joking... > PS -- I vote for Lady Grey :) It's been a little more than 12 months since she first stepped into the house all on her own. She's settling herself in and I don't think there's any reason to force her to socialize outside of her comfort zone. In just the last few weeks she's started following us into the kitchen, just to see what we're doing, AND (the biggie) when she gets startled she no longer runs to the door to go outside, she will run elsewhere into the house. Now, if we ended up having to move, I'd have no problem bringing her with us. I worried about that for a while, but I think she'd cope. b That sounds great! She's definitely part of your family. She's doing better than our formerly-feral cat. She was brought in at apprx. 8 months old. Now at 9 years, we still only see her at night. It's rare to see her cross through the middle of a room without hugging the walls. She's sweet though. I think the formerly-feral ones are grateful. Rhonda > :) It's been a little more than 12 months since she first stepped into > the house all on her own. She's settling herself in and I don't think [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > b > That sounds great! She's definitely part of your family. That she is. :) > She's doing better than our formerly-feral cat. She was brought in at > apprx. 8 months old. Now at 9 years, we still only see her at night. > It's rare to see her cross through the middle of a room without hugging > the walls. Wow. Now I'm even more impressed with the progress we've made with her! > She's sweet though. I think the formerly-feral ones are grateful. I think so. b >Some airlines do not require health certificates any longer -- American >does not. They do require proof of rabies vaccine, though. > >When I was checking for Conan, I made sure to ask each airline. > >Rhonda Rhonda I used American six weeks ago and he needed a health certificate no less than ten days old you better check before you use them again, must have changed since your last time using them. Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" Hmmm, that's odd. Where I got the info was from their website: Health Requirements * American does not require a health certificate for the acceptance of pets for travel in the cabin or as checked baggage within the 50 United States. However, we encourage you to contact your family veterinarian or state authorities directly for individual state requirements to avoid any possible inconvenience at your final destination. * All states require proof of rabies vaccination for dogs over 12 weeks old and some require proof of rabies vaccination for cats. American requires that the animal be vaccinated for rabies within the past 12 months. * Currently, American does not require documentation regarding the sedation of a pet, nor do we restrict sedated animals. Consult your veterinarian about the use of tranquilizers. http://www.aa.com/content/travelInformation/specialAssistance/travelingWithPets.jhtml Rhonda > Rhonda I used American six weeks ago and he needed a health > certificate no less than ten days old you better check before you use [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >Hmmm, that's odd. Where I got the info was from their website: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >sedation of a pet, nor do we restrict sedated animals. Consult your >veterinarian about the use of tranquilizers. That is strange I used American Eagle and didn't check their site but I called Americans 800 number and she told me that the policies for American and American Eagle were the same and they required the certificate I didn't pursue it because the breeder had the certificate done already. American was new to the breeder too he uses Continental most of the time I guess. Who knows maybe the policy was changed and they didn't change it on the website or maybe even more likely the customer service rep I talked to may have been wrong. I realize customer service is one of the toughest jobs out there but I just bought a new cell phone and was combing the manual for an option that I had on every phone I have ever owned and couldn't find it so I called customer service and asked them about it and he told me it wasn't available on this phone. I asked if he was sure because its a very usefull option and he said nope sorry. Two days later I couldn't stand it and I called again and got the same answer from another rep but this time I asked for the manufacturers phone number I called them and they said certainly you can do it and quickly explained to me how to do it.....sigh....now I am hooked for life to never take a negative answer from customer service without checking further...... Sorry I'm sure I told you more than you wanted to here.....lol..... Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" Yep, I think this whole society is in too much of a hurry. We throw people onto the phones for the least possible salary and training, then are surprised when customers are angry with the service. The under-paid, under-trained person on the other end of the phone gets the brunt of it. I once called an airline to use an upgrade certificate for a client going to Mexico City. It was a North American certificate, good for anywhere in N.A. The United rep on the other end argued that it was not good to Mexico, only to North America. I could not convince her otherwise! I even asked her to name the 3 countries that are in NAFTA. She told me the cert wasn't good because you needed a passport to get to Mexico. Ahhhh! I told her you needed one for Canada too! Later, I told the United sales rep that they have got to give basic geography training before putting someone on the phone. Off track. By the way, I know of a person who called Delta to arrange two cats to be flown (in baggage) to Seattle. She called and was told they needed health certificates. It took much time and trouble for her to get off work and get them. Then she checked in with the cats -- and they didn't even ask for the certificates, so who knows anymore. I guess check the website and call 2 or 3 times. Rhonda > Two days later I couldn't stand it and I called again and got the same > answer from another rep but this time I asked for the manufacturers > phone number I called them and they said certainly you can do it and > quickly explained to me how to do it.....sigh....now I am hooked for > life to never take a negative answer from customer service without > checking further...... >By the way, I know of a person who called Delta to arrange two cats to >be flown (in baggage) to Seattle. She called and was told they needed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Rhonda I forgot to mention when I picked my cat up I went to front desk and they required photo ID and another form of id and handed me three pieces of paperwork and said I had to show them these papers and ID at the overhead door where the animals are delivered to their owners, there was five dogs and three cats on the flight my cat came up first and I walked up to the attendant and she said is this one yours? I said yes and she handed the crate to me and said cute kitten and that was it no ID no nothing.....lol.....maybe a good place to get a quality dog or cat for free...... nice chattin with ya..... Brad Lifes journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting......." HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to > >keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... > > Yeah sure, now back to reality. Hey, am I right in assuming that betweentheknees.com is not a valid domain? :) >> >Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to >> >keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hey, am I right in assuming that betweentheknees.com is not a valid domain? >:) God I hope not or else someone is probably getting a lot of mail :-) The above quote BTW was referring to flying in small private planes such as Cessnas that make a car ride seem pleasant in comparison for cats. I chopped the quoting enough to lose that reference. -mhd > >> >Remember what this cat just went through.....the company it had to > >> >keep........the cat would probably ride on the wing to get away..... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > such as Cessnas that make a car ride seem pleasant in comparison for > cats. I chopped the quoting enough to lose that reference. So, like, how do people reach you? :) >So, like, how do people reach you? :) Is your email valid? I can contact you by email if it is. -mhd > >So, like, how do people reach you? :) > > Is your email valid? I can contact you by email if it is. Yep. But now you know what I wanted to tell you last night! >> >So, like, how do people reach you? :) >> >> Is your email valid? I can contact you by email if it is. > >Yep. But now you know what I wanted to tell you >last night! Yeah OK, LOL -mhd > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Someone posted 900 miles. Is that one way or round trip. I don't > have any west coast charts to check the distance. It's closer to 1200 one way. Another recent message on this thread gives the updated road miles, figure about 90% of that for the air miles. That was a good thought, Nomen. I'll see how my situation works out this week. Rhonda > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > =BSGB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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