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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Conan Airlift
I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably like the rest of you. Distance is a problem for most everybody on the group. Is there someone here willing to adopt him, if he could come to you? I know Mary was interested but not her husband ;) -- would anyone on this group be willing to take him? We are over-crowded here unfortunately, due to our little family of rescues last year. I'd be willing to help arrange an airlift. I just have this antsy feeling like it's time to get that started. I'd be willing to donate for his airfare, and help arrange the reservation (I'm a travel agent.) It would be even easier on Conan if we could get someone to fly with him so he could ride in the cabin. Maybe between all of us we could afford a roundtrip ticket for the human nice enough to do that. Otherwise, he'd have to go as cargo which can be scary for him -- but better than the alternative. Let me know if I can help get things going for anyone who would be nice enough to allow a little orange fur into their lives... Rhonda Hey, just thought of something. I might be able to get an air-pass from work. I live in the Seattle area. If someone is interested, please let me know -- the sooner the better. I would have to get to California, pick him up, then continue on to whoever can take him. I could probably make at least part/most of the trip free with a pass. That would cut down on overall expenses. He would need a recent vet certificate, and possibly a certificate of vaccination. I can check that out. If someone is really interested in adopting him -- I will try VERY hard to make it work. I'd love to see him go to a loving home. Rhonda > I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably like > the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rhonda > Hey, just thought of something. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If someone is really interested in adopting him -- I will try VERY hard > to make it work. I'd love to see him go to a loving home. Rhonda-- You are just wonderful. Thanks so much for helping and getting us motivated to proceed with a plan. You're right--it is time to move--it is already the 25th and he gets "re-evaluated" on the 29th. Your travel agency expertise is just what we need! As I've said--I will help with the cost of his transport. I'm in a bad position regarding taking him myself because my husband honestly does not want another cat and he has been building a good case for adopting Conan being unfair to our two cats. The fact is, as much as I want to make everything right, I am not sure how that will work either. The most important thing seems to me to be that he have a forever home. He has to be so confused. >Hey, just thought of something. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to whoever can take him. I could probably make at least part/most of the >trip free with a pass. That would cut down on overall expenses. I keep trying to think of anybody I know who would be intersted in adding another cat, but the only person I can think of is somebody who should not have one. She let her cat have 4 litters before getting her fixed. And a week later, she was run over by a car at the age of 3 1/2. Her 19 year old son insists that the cat was hit by a car because she was fixed, and thus lost her reflexes. So, any cat going there would definitely be an outdoor cat on a busy street. We have 3 cats and 2 dogs. Not our higest level, but probably not a good idea to add one right now. My sister would probably love him, but she lost her job recently, and is quite broke right now. I discovered tonight that she is having trouble with cat food and kitty litter. I think she is too embarrassed to ask for help on that, but I was over to feed her cats since she is pet sitting to earn money. If you do end up going down to pick him up, let me know if you need a ride to and from the airport, or would like to park for free. I live about 2 miles south of Seatac Airport.  Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>Hey, just thought of something. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >1/2. Her 19 year old son insists that the cat was hit by a car because >she was fixed, and thus lost her reflexes. I could take him. I have a male cat I found on the road this spring, and I have a big dog. Both are good-natured. I'll bet I could add Conan to this mix without much trouble. I have tried to reconstitute the saga, but I'm a little confused. What exactly are his medical problems and needs? I live north of Bellingham. Charlie Hi Charlie, The cat was adopted from the Orange County Animal Shelter by a new poster here. It seemed like a happy story as he was originally planning to buy a purebred kitten but went to the shelter and picked out this guy instead. Lots of pictures posted of happy-looking cat. Conan came down with a URI (cold) a few days after adoption (probably germinated at the shelter) and the poster abruptly gave the cat a deadline to "get better" or be returned to the shelter. He also seems to have taken the cat to an incompetent vet who threatened hundreds of dollars in medical bills to treat this cold. Cat flunked the deadline, and was returned to a high-kill municipal shelter. The poster got a kitten instead. Conan recovered two days later and was put up for adoption, but it hasn't happened yet and he is up for re-evaluation on June 29th. The poster has visited him several times at the shelter, no doubt driviing the cat a little nuts. Group wants to help him. As far as I know, the cat seems very nice and friendly and has no special needs, although obviously this has been a stressful experience. If you wanted to take him, then it sounds like there are two options. I don't know if the shelter will do an out-of-state adoption, (somebody would have to check), but if so, you could take a day to fly down and pick him up.The group has covered his adoption fee, and I think could manage to cover the R/T ticket with the cat in carry-on (maybe FF miles) and a one day rent a car. The other option is to have someone in Southern California deal with the shelter and pick him up and then fly with him to SeaTac, where you can meet them and pick him up. I'm sure the cat will be a little overwhelmed by it all, but with patience, it should be OK. I don't know who exactly is going to coordinate this, but maybe someone wants to connect with someone named Dan in SoCal, who was going to help and put him in touch with Charlie? I'll call the shelter when it opens this morning (the website said 9:30am but the voicemail say 10:00.) I'll see what they have in place for adopting out of state, and if they will do phone interviews. I could probably still pick up Conan and bring him back, and this would make it a much easier trip for him. We could get a non-stop flight. If Charlie wants to fly down -- I could check ticket costs. Rhonda > If you wanted to take him, then it sounds like there are two options. I > don't know if the shelter will do an out-of-state adoption, (somebody [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wants to connect with someone named Dan in SoCal, who was going to help > and put him in touch with Charlie? > Hi Charlie, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > cover the R/T ticket with the cat in carry-on (maybe FF miles) and a > one day rent a car. Tracy-- I am covering the adoption fee and many people here have offered to donate to his transportation fund. I will also send Dan extra to cover his time, trouble, and gasoline. The other option is to have someone in Southern > California deal with the shelter and pick him up and then fly with him > to SeaTac, where you can meet them and pick him up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > wants to connect with someone named Dan in SoCal, who was going to help > and put him in touch with Charlie? That was me. I will email Dan now. > Hi Charlie, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > down with a URI (cold) a few days after adoption (probably germinated > at the shelter) Correction #1: ON the second day in our home, Conan started sneezing and on the third day and for the subsequent 11 days, Conan exhibited lots of nasal discharge, one eye started oozing, lost all appetite, and had to be force fed 2-3 times a day for the final 6 days in our custody. This in spite of appetite stimulant and oral Amoxicillin. > and the poster abruptly gave the cat a deadline to "get > better" or be returned to the shelter. Correction #2: Orange County Animal Shelter has a 14 day return policy. If the adoption is turning sour for any reason, the adopting party may return the animal for an exchange in that time frame. After a second visit with my vet, (where she suggested I return Conan or start in with a $275 set of blood panels), I opted for an exchange on Monday morning. > He also seems to have taken the > cat to an incompetent vet who threatened hundreds of dollars in medical > bills to treat this cold. Cat flunked the deadline, and was returned > to a high-kill municipal shelter. The poster got a kitten instead. > Conan recovered two days later and was put up for adoption, Correction #3: The Shelter took down the pertinant information regarding my return/exchange. The Shelter vet decided (without any blood work) to administer two shots of Zithromycin that same Monday afternoon and put Conan in isolation. Conan was deemed doptable by Friday but was not put into the public viewing cage group until Tuesday (possbly Monday depending on records accuracy. This was a very sick cat when I returned him. But as of Tuesday, June 21 whjen I returned to the shelter to see Conan for myself (for the second time), he was the picture of health again. > but it > hasn't happened yet and he is up for re-evaluation on June 29th. The > poster has visited him several times at the shelter, no doubt driviing > the cat a little nuts. snip Purely emotional projection and thoroughly useless fantasy about a cat you have never met personally. [snip] For what it's worth, Philip, I have read most of the saga, and I see that you have been honest, knowing it would raise holy hell. That is good. I'll be delighted to have Conan, and you have your kitten. You started out with a plan to buy a cat from a breeder, and by the time this is over, two cats will have been sprung from a shelter instead. As Jackie Gleason famously said, "Anything you do will seem insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." Charlie > [snip] > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > started out with a plan to buy a cat from a breeder, and by the time > this is over, two cats will have been sprung from a shelter instead. Very good point, Charlie. > As Jackie Gleason famously said, "Anything you do will seem > insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." Everyone who cares about this cat is so very grateful to you for offering him his forever home. There just are no words. > [snip] >> > For what it's worth, Philip, I have read most of the saga, and I see > that you have been honest, knowing it would raise holy hell. That is > good. Thank you for keeping a large view perspective. When all this is over, TWO cats have/will have good homes. However, I had no clue that such honesty would result in me becoming the forum piñata with seemingly civil people who turned vile, vindictive, and mean spirited lining up (some many times) to take a few swats at me. Given what I learned after it was too late, I will be far more circumspect ... knowing the crowd as I now do ... in revealing anything I believe cannot be handled maturely by the lowest common denominator. > I'll be delighted to have Conan, and you have your kitten. You > started out with a plan to buy a cat from a breeder, and by the time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Charlie Ah yes .... "plans." "The plans of mice and men often get very pregnant." As you probably know, my wife located another vet and transferred Omar's first office visit paperwork there. The booster FVCPR shot is a month away. If I had adopted the Bengal kitten, I rather doubt the URI would have occurred do to the breeder's outdoor caging accommodations. But even the mention of choosing a hybrid over a rescue riled up the agenda driven. I wish you the best with Conan. He's one tabby that sticks out in a crowd. >> [snip] >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >cats have/will have good homes. However, I had no clue that such honesty >would result in me becoming the forum piñata This sounds disingenuous. >with seemingly civil people who >turned vile, vindictive, and mean spirited lining up (some many times) to >take a few swats at me. My advice is to take the low road. No matter how vile someone is, you can be even more vile if you direct your energy towards that goal. Concentrate your mind on being venomous and despicable, and let the words flow. >Given what I learned after it was too late, I will >be far more circumspect ... knowing the crowd as I now do ... in revealing >anything I believe cannot be handled maturely by the lowest common >denominator. Bah. Honesty is always the best policy on Usenet. It costs you nothing and it leads to more interesting group dynamics. This is a case in point. >> I'll be delighted to have Conan, and you have your kitten. You >> started out with a plan to buy a cat from a breeder, and by the time [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I wish you the best with Conan. He's one tabby that sticks out in a crowd. He is beautiful. What is his personality like? Charlie >> I wish you the best with Conan. He's one tabby that sticks out in a >> crowd. >> > He is beautiful. What is his personality like? > > Charlie Conan has a reserved but not aloof way of looking at you. In person, he's got a face that reminds you of somebody in an old James Bond movie. Really! Conan will likely hide everywhere he thinks he can for a bit so block off all the cubby holes behind appliances and furniture that you don't want to go searching behind but, leave him some reasonable hiding places that are dark and secluded. Later on, Conan will walk right up to a stranger and get friendly, more so with women visitors. Conan will roll over on his side in an inviting way but ... if you let him get both paws on your petting hand, he may take that opportunity to nip you. It's his sucker punch. After a few days this behavior pretty much disappeared. Water. He's quite concerned about anyone in water and will yowl questioning your sanity for getting wet or ... for not having inviting him in the show with you. Not sure which. He made no fuss while I gave him several wash cloth baths on the bathroom counter. He once jumped from the edge of the tub to the window sill over the shower while I had my back turned rinsing out shampoo. THAT was a shock to turn around and find him looking down at me! He can jump to the top of a refrigerator too. Silly things like laser pen dots, paper wads, and insects are ignored. Birds ... loves to watch and would love to catch one! Never tried him on a leash because he turned ill on the 2nd day. Wow Charlie, that's great! I see you've already been filled in on his saga/health. I'll contact you soon. Rhonda > I could take him. I have a male cat I found on the road this spring, > and I have a big dog. Both are good-natured. I'll bet I could add [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie > Wow Charlie, that's great! > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Charlie Rhonda!!! Yippeeeeee! You are such a doll. > >>Hey, just thought of something. > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and I have a big dog. Both are good-natured. I'll bet I could add > Conan to this mix without much trouble. Charlie--you are saving the day!! > I have tried to reconstitute the saga, but I'm a little confused. > What exactly are his medical problems and needs? He doesn't have any medical problems. He just had a bad cold, "upper respiratory tract infection" and he is all better now. What happened is that Phillip had him for ten days and then took him back and got a kitten. Conan is about 2 years old, 14 lbs, and gorgeous. He is athletic and strong, a jumper! ( There was talk in the thread (from Phillip) about Conan being very very sick, which was horse sh.t. It was a bad cold. He has been up for adoption now for over a week, after a vet check one week ago. I am off to send you photos and to email Dan the sweet guy who has offered to pick Conan up from the shelter to see about giving you his contact information. > I could take him. I have a male cat I found on the road this spring, > and I have a big dog. Both are good-natured. I'll bet I could add [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie Charlie: While I have no idea how Conan will be with other animals, Conan's disposition is really good. He's interested in people taking showers and he likes high places. He's also a large and strong cat and will nip you when you've overstepped 'his' boundaries. But that will pass with familiarity. Never once had any litter box or inappropriate clawing issues. Best of luck. -Philip Hi Meghan, Thanks for the offer! Sounds like we're in the same area of the state. We're probably about 10 miles south of the airport. I may take you up on that parking offer. Rhonda > If you do end up going down to pick him up, let me know if you need a > ride to and from the airport, or would like to park for free. I live [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > Hi Meghan, > > Thanks for the offer! Sounds like we're in the same area of the state. > We're probably about 10 miles south of the airport. > > I may take you up on that parking offer. Sure. Just let me know if and when. I'd be happy to go the airport just to see him pass through. I think it's great that he is coming this way, and especially to somebody in the group, so we can hear updates over the years. And it's also nice to find out there are some people in the same area. Do you go to any shows? I'll be at several this year as a vendor, and doing photos at some of them. It's always fun to meet people I have talked to online. If you see me at the show, speak up :) Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably > like the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rhonda You know, I have not read any of the saga of Conan, but for some reason opened this post. I have been looking at homes to purchase and there is one with an 11 x 19 outside structure that is supposed to be good for an office or fitness room (not a shed). It got me thinking of cat rescue and fostering. It could be the cat house. :) I dunno. Just stream of consciousness posting. Ignore me. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Hi Brandy, We'd need that cat house pretty darn soon! :) Rhonda Brandy Alexandre wrote: > You know, I have not read any of the saga of Conan, but for some reason > opened this post. I have been looking at homes to purchase and there > is one with an 11 x 19 outside structure that is supposed to be good > for an office or fitness room (not a shed). It got me thinking of cat > rescue and fostering. It could be the cat house. :) I dunno. Just > stream of consciousness posting. Ignore me. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > You know, I have not read any of the saga of Conan, but for some reason > opened this post. I have been looking at homes to purchase and there > is one with an 11 x 19 outside structure that is supposed to be good > for an office or fitness room (not a shed). It got me thinking of cat > rescue and fostering. It could be the cat house. :) I dunno. Just > stream of consciousness posting. Ignore me. Don't you live in the LA area? Don't you know some catlovers there? Candace Candace <maccandace@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Candace No, I moved out of Cali a couple years ago. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Sorry if I missed some earlier posts, as I am just now joining this thread. If the current plans for getting someone to meet me at an airport to carry Conan to his new home don't pan out, there is an alternative. There are companies that specialize in transporting pets cross country, primarily shipping them via airline. When I was first trying to adopt Harri Roadcat and didn't think I'd be able to get a run out to Illinois I looked into using one of these outfits. The one I spoke to (I'll see if I can find who it was) only ships cats and dogs in the passenger compartment. Airlines generally set aside room for one or two animal cages in the passenger compartment, and the animal transport companies ship them that way. The first two that turned up in a Google search were http://www.Petmovers.com and http://www.pettransporter.com. I'll see if I can find the disk file with my notes on the one I was looking into using. Dan > I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably > like the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rhonda Go as CARGO? Have you checked the mortality rates for that sort of travel? !! >> I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably >> like the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Go as CARGO? Have you checked the mortality rates for that sort of > travel? !! Cargo should be the last option (but Rhonda is also talking about the possibility of someone flying with Conan so he could travel in the cabin ... which is the only way I would ever take one of mine). On the other hand, you asked if she has checked the mortality rates for that sort of travel. I will revise your question: Have you checked the mortality rates for cats that are returned to kill-shelters? MaryL Thanks, Mary L. Exactly what I was going to say... Rhonda > Cargo should be the last option (but Rhonda is also talking about the > possibility of someone flying with Conan so he could travel in the cabin ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MaryL >>> I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably like >>> the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > MaryL Good for you, Mary. Do you think he got the point? MLB >>> I'm kinda nervous waiting to see if someone adopts Conan, probably >>> like the rest of you. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > MaryL I am told most shelters in this county dispose of chronic and serious behavior problems & contagious diseases fairly early. Young, healthy, good natured, well socialized animals adopt out well within two months. Ya see, Mary (and Mary is not alone) would prefer to see Conan euthanized than to see me readopt him because Mary's efforts could not get a foster home. Really! Ask the conspirators. I'm not offering, just stating the obvious. Could we please go back to efforts on finding Conan a home? Put the effort into finding a way to save Conan's life instead of worrying about conspiracy theories? All it will take is for Conan to catch another respiratory infection in the shelter, which happens all of the time, and he may not be so lucky in his next evaluation. He needs to get out of there. Rhonda > I am told most shelters in this county dispose of chronic and serious > behavior problems & contagious diseases fairly early. Young, healthy, good [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > home. Really! Ask the conspirators. I'm not offering, just stating the > obvious. > Could we please go back to efforts on finding Conan a home? Put the > effort into finding a way to save Conan's life instead of worrying about [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > home. Really! Ask the conspirators. I'm not offering, just stating the > > obvious. I would not prefer to see Conan euthanized. The poison from your dead heart is affecting your brain, you dying old man. f.ck off. You've made your misery, and can only spread it so far. It will not touch Conan. I have your first and last name and your address. It would be unwise for you to attempt to further injure this cat. >> Could we please go back to efforts on finding Conan a home? Put the >> effort into finding a way to save Conan's life instead of worrying [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I would not prefer to see Conan euthanized. snip Yes you would if it came down to me readopting him or euthanization. You're that crazy, lady. > The poison from your dead > heart is affecting your brain, you dying old man. f.ck off. You've made > your misery, and can only spread it so far. It will not touch Conan. I > have your first and last name and your address. It would be unwise for > you to attempt to further injure this cat. Tell me in an email Mary ... what Conan's registered address is. I will in turn post here if what you send is accurate or not. >> Could we please go back to efforts on finding Conan a home? Put the >> effort into finding a way to save Conan's life instead of worrying [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > have your first and last name and your address. It would be unwise for > you to attempt to further injure this cat. More empty threats, fantasy, and gross manipulation. You are a deranged woman. <SNIP> >More empty threats, fantasy, and gross manipulation. You are a deranged >woman. Think so, Arty? You and I agree on getting Conan OUT OF THERE for his own good as soon as possible. We disagree on what you label a "conspiracy theory." It is not a theory. > Could we please go back to efforts on finding Conan a home? Put the > effort into finding a way to save Conan's life instead of worrying [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> not get a foster home. Really! Ask the conspirators. I'm not >> offering, just stating the obvious. > I am told most shelters in this county dispose of chronic and serious > behavior problems & contagious diseases fairly early. Young, healthy, good [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > home. Really! Ask the conspirators. I'm not offering, just stating the > obvious. First of all, you would never re-adopt Conan, and I highly doubt the shelter would let you. Secondly, why are you even still posting here? You have nothing to offer to this group. We already all know what a selfish jerk you are. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> >Go as CARGO? Have you checked the mortality rates for that sort of travel? Maybe we could start a collection to send Philip anywhere in the world that he wanted to go, as long as he was willing to fly "Cargo". > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in the world that he wanted to go, as long as he was willing > to fly "Cargo". With a "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" sign around his neck. > Go as CARGO? Have you checked the mortality rates for that sort of travel? > !! No, but airlines are now required to provide that information to the public. Say, that's *something* constructive you could do. Since you seem interested, why don't you check for any available airline stats on pet travel. Sherry >> Go as CARGO? Have you checked the mortality rates for that sort of >> travel? !! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry I am not interested in sending any animal in "cargo" nor occompanied by an excort on any airplane. People get respiratory infections from the recirculated air too. >Otherwise, he'd >have to go as cargo which can be scary for him -- but better than the >alternative. Cargo is out - period. Pets die in cargo for lack of heat and oxygen all the time due to paper work errors. They also can end up with broken carriers dropped on the ramp and escape in a very dangerous area usually to be never seen again . -mhd mhd, did you read the rest of the paragraph where I asked for volunteers to fly him, or my next email where I said I would do it? I don't want him to fly cargo either, but I also don't want him euthanized. There is oxygen in cargo -- oxygen in the whole plane. I don't like how scared they would be or what care would be taken in where they are positioned. Also, it's probably too hot now to do it anyway. If you can help out any other way, let me know. Rhonda >>Otherwise, he'd >>have to go as cargo which can be scary for him -- but better than the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > . > -mhd > mhd, did you read the rest of the paragraph where I asked for volunteers > to fly him, or my next email where I said I would do it? I don't want [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If you can help out any other way, let me know. Maurice was among the first to offer money to help Conan. Hi, Airlines have a special place for animals not with cargo but like kennels, they have their kennels all strapped in. They won't die, it's not like they're put with suitcases, they have a good temperature safe area, you should call an airline, they'll tell u. Conan isn't at risk flying in his kennel, he's not thrown onto a ramp or anything like that. Jacquie >Hi, Airlines have a special place for animals not with cargo but like >kennels, they have their kennels all strapped in. They won't die, it's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that. >Jacquie http://www.msu.edu/~silvar/airplane.htm Airlines do not as standard procedure heat and pressurize cargo holds unless the cargo specifically requires it. Here's where paper work screw ups happen all the time. The US has just passed some regulation requiring pet fatality figures to be regularly published by the carriers and some airlines responded by saying they will carry pets anymore if they have to reveal their track record. And yes pets do escape all the time while planes are unloaded. http://www.courttv.com/people/2005/0616/pets_ctv.html -mhd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com >Airlines do not as standard procedure heat and pressurize cargo holds >unless the cargo specifically requires it. Here's where paper work >screw ups happen all the time. Airlines do, in fact, ALWAYS pressurize the cargo hold. The entire circumference of the body is the pressure vessel. And think about it; what would happen to that plastic bottle of shampoo in your luggage at 35k ft without pressurization. Since the outside air temp. is about -65 F at 35k, it must be heated also. BUT.....just 'cause it's pressurized does not mean there is proper ventilation. There are no minimum air change requirements for cargo holds as there are in the passenger compartment. And as far as heating goes, a cargo hold only really needs to be kept above freezing. An airline, also, does not pressurize to sea level. They are generally pressurized to an effective altitude of between 5k and 8k ft. Just a minor correction that in no way implies that transporting pets in the cargo hold is as safe as it should be. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Just a minor correction that in no way implies that transporting pets > in the cargo hold is as safe as it should be. Yep, I think we have decided that he will fly in the cabin. Keep your fingers crossed that Rhonda hears from the shelter tomorrow. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Yep, I think we have decided that he will fly in the cabin. Keep > your fingers crossed that Rhonda hears from the shelter tomorrow. http://www.rppi.org/011702.html " ... whereas most cargo holds are not pressurized." http://www.ipata.com/print.php?pp=9&rp=9 "Is tranquilization okay for my pets? According to American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), air transport of sedated pets may be fatal. Oversedation is the most frequent cause of animal deaths during airline transport and accounts for almost half of all deaths. Except in unusual circumstances, veterinarians should not dispense sedatives for animals that are to be transported. Little is known about the effects of sedation on animals that are under the stress of transportation and enclosed in cages at 8,000 feet or higher, the altitude at which cargo holds are pressurized. Additionally, some animals react abnormally to sedatives. Although animals may be excitable while being handled during the trip to the airport and prior to loading, they probably revert to a quiescent resting state in the dark, closed cargo hold, and the sedatives may have an excessive effect." "Air Travel for your Dog or Cat", Air Transport Assn of America, Sept 1991 "From the International Air Transport Association: "The airline industry continues to warn owners and veterinarians against the use of sedatives/tranquilizers for dogs and cats being transported by air. The effect of sedating drugs are unpredictable at air pressures inside an aircraft, which are equivalent to 8,000 ft altitude. At this pressure, the physiologic changes from sedatives/tranquilizers may be enhanced. There have been a number of instances where sedated pets traveling by air needed veterinary care to recover from the sedation. Some pets could not be revived. Occasionally, owners have given repeated doses to ensure a comfortable journey for their pet or when sedation did not follow a single dose. When questioned by airline personnel, many owners claim that their veterinarians had advised them to do so. Although sedatives/tranquilizers should never be repeated for animals traveling by air, sedated pets may have adverse reactions in pressurized aircraft even when single doses are administered at recommended dosages. Animal can respond very differently to sedatives/tranquilizers under normal circumstances. Cats for instance, occasionally become more excited following the administration of "sedating" drugs. A tested and safe method for calming a pet is to transport the animal in a familiar crate or container, and without the use of sedating drugs. Once placed into the cargo environment, which is darkened after the door is shut, most animals will naturally relax and many will sleep. If sedatives or tranquilizers are used, the name of the drug (brand and generic) time of administration, dose and route of administration should all be clearly marked on the animal's container." IATA - International Air Transport Association" > >Otherwise, he'd > >have to go as cargo which can be scary for him -- but better than the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > area usually to be never seen again > . I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it is safe. I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? There are so many people in Orange Co., CA. How do we reach the right ones who can offer this neat boy a forever home? >I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it is safe. >I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? There are so many >people in Orange Co., CA. How do we reach the right ones who can >offer this neat boy a forever home? Maybe we should try to find a home on the east coast and just pay a pet taxi service. Also do you know the efforts this *Internet* group has put forward to save Conan would be a tasty tidbit for the media in LA. There would be lineups of adopters at the shelter and other pets may get a home too. Publicity of a poor little pet's story always brings a public response. We would have to leave out the negative side of Phil's involvement and just emphasize that Conan has caused a bunch of Internet strangers to respond in a big way. Perhaps Hector could give us some press contacts and maybe even could make the suggestion to any press contacts himself. -mhd > >I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it is safe. > >I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? There are so many [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > response. We would have to leave out the negative side of Phil's > involvement and just emphasize that Conan has caused a bunch of > Internet strangers to respond in a big way. > > Perhaps Hector could give us some press contacts and maybe even could > make the suggestion to any press contacts himself. > -mhd This sounds like a really good idea. Couldnt you put it in the local paper with a photograph, or something on the local radio? Chris >>> I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it >>> is safe. I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Chris OC is not a little farm community of 5,000 people. <SNIP> >> Chris > >OC is not a little farm community of 5,000 people. S'matter Arty -- don't want all of OC to see your name in association with this story? eq > >I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it is safe. > >I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? There are so many [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Maybe we should try to find a home on the east coast and just pay a > pet taxi service. I don't know a thing about this--but read on, Charlie Wilkes has offered to take him! > Also do you know the efforts this *Internet* group has put forward to > save Conan would be a tasty tidbit for the media in LA. There would be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Perhaps Hector could give us some press contacts and maybe even could > make the suggestion to any press contacts himself. If their schedule is anything like what it was last week, Hector will be back Monday and Katherine is there today. I will bring it up when I call! Great idea. >> I really don't want him to go cargo either. I really don't think it >> is safe. I still think a local home is the best idea. But where? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -mhd I'm SURE my *former* veterinary would appreciate your editing. But don't be so sure you could keep such tight control over "the story." LOL Journalist DO ask questions. On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:16:11 -0400, hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com amazed us with his/her particular brand of stupidity in <vempb1hqlk7qfnmhro9u0jeknc0auk26ln@4ax.com> in rec.pets.cats.health+behav when he/she wrote: >>Otherwise, he'd >>have to go as cargo which can be scary for him -- but better than the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >broken carriers dropped on the ramp and escape in a very dangerous >area usually to be never seen again You'd be best off sending the animal FedEx. The whole FedEx Plane is pressurized. FedEx has shipped many Animals (Race horse, Tigers, Panda's, etc.) and is very conscientious about it. SignatureK. A. Cannon kcannon at insurgent dot org (change the orgy to org to reply) HAMMER OF THOR Winner - April 2005 Spirituality: The last refuge of a failed human. Just another way of distracting yourself from who you really are. >The whole FedEx Plane is pressurized. >FedEx has shipped many Animals (Race horse, Tigers, Panda's, etc.) and >is very conscientious about it. A friend of mine used to be the large animal shipment coordinator for Air Canada at LAX and often her department was used by other airlines as well. That is another whole set of logistics when working with horses and zoo animals for sure. -mhd > I'd be willing to help arrange an airlift. I just have this antsy > feeling like it's time to get that started. I'd be willing to donate for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Let me know if I can help get things going for anyone who would be nice > enough to allow a little orange fur into their lives... I just spoke with Dan M. and he said he will definitely pick up Conan for us when we need him to. He has a PayPal account and I will send him the adoption fee plus $100 for gas, harness if it is needed, and his time. Not much, but things are a bit tight there with Harri's big medical bills. Dan said I can give his cell phone number to anyone who needs it. So: we have the adoption fee and transportation to wherever he goes to fly to Bellingham. (By the way, Dan says he has done deliveries there and it is 900 miles from where he is, which is in SoCal near Orange Co. if I got it right.) When I can get through I will see if he is still at the shelter and up for adoption. If it is like last weekend, Katherine is there now and Hector will be there come Monday. My instincts tell me that it would be better to discuss an out-of-state adoption with Hector. Rhonda, is it possible to get a figure for a ticket for Conan? I defer to your expertise here, or to Tracy's. Can one of you find out the options involved? For example, if he could be handed to staff in CA by Dan then handed to Charlie in Bellingham? Or if someone has to fly with him? Of course, there is also the possibility that he will be adopted locally this weekend ... This all sounds good. The pet accompanying human in the cabin fare is $80 - $100 which sounds reasonable. The problem is the human fare, which even with a 14 day advance is looking to be $300+. The best solution, I think, would be donated FF miles. Cargo, especially on short-hop flights, can be risky and we also don't want Charlie to get a cat so freaked out that he's impossible to deal with. I have frequent flyer miles on UA, but the problem is that I'm in Northern California, not Southern California, and the UA flights are not direct, although I guess that's not the end of the world. Tell Dan if he can find a person willing to fly up and back who is capable enough to get the cat through the security checkpoint, that I guess I could donate the miles for a roundtrip from Orange County or LAX to Seattle and then Conan's ticket could be purchased with the group donations. If LAX is possible, then we might be able to get a non-stop. If somebody wants to e-mail me Dan's phone number, then I'm willing to talk it out with him. Cheers, -Tracy OR (Sorry it's hard to keep up with all these messages), Rhonda could use her air pass to fly down to Orange County, meet Dan and the cat at the airport, and fly him up to rendesvous with Charlie at Seatac. Pretty easy. All the group would need to do is collect $100 for Conan's ticket and buy it on the same flight Rhonda books :> -T > OR > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -T Wow! If Rhonda can do this, then her flight is covered and all the group has to come up with is $100 for Conan?? Rhonda, if you see this, let us know!! Are both you, Tracy, and Rhonda travel agents? If so, perhaps one of you might have a PayPal account set up for you to receive donations for Conan's ticket?? > This all sounds good. The pet accompanying human in the cabin fare is > $80 - $100 which sounds reasonable. The problem is the human fare, > which even with a 14 day advance is looking to be $300+. The best > solution, I think, would be donated FF miles. Cargo, especially on > short-hop flights, can be risky and we also don't want Charlie to get a > cat so freaked out that he's impossible to deal with. I think we need to just say NO cargo. > I have frequent flyer miles on UA, but the problem is that I'm in > Northern California, not Southern California, and the UA flights are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If somebody wants to e-mail me Dan's phone number, then I'm willing to > talk it out with him. Tracy, I am emailing you Dan's cell this minute. He is great, and I just reached him half an hour or so ago. >>I have frequent flyer miles on UA, but the problem is that I'm in >>Northern California, not Southern California, and the UA flights are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>Seattle and then Conan's ticket could be purchased with the group >>donations. If LAX is possible, then we might be able to get a non-stop. I don't think I mentioned this on the phone, but I could run Conan to Orange County Airport, LAX, or Burbank, whatever works out for everyone concerned. As far as I'm concerned, there is no higher calling in life than improving the life of a kitty. Dan Awwww, how sweet! Rhonda > As far as I'm concerned, there is no higher calling in life than > improving the life of a kitty. > > Dan >> I'd be willing to help arrange an airlift. I just have this antsy >> feeling like it's time to get that started. I'd be willing to donate for [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Of course, there is also the possibility that he will be adopted > locally this weekend ... I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total travel would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there have been some other situations where arrangements were made so that all of the travel would be by private cars. One person would pick up the cat and drive to a prearranged destination. Another person would pick up the cat there and drive to another prearranged destination, and so forth. This would be feasible if it is only 1,000 miles because it would require help from only a few people who live in that area. On the other hand, the logistics of making the arrangements can be difficult (especially with limited time available). MaryL > I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total travel > would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there have been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MaryL What about that pet transport company that Phil P posted about? If we could transport by ground, that would be preferable IMHO. Although I could just be projecting because I hate to fly personally. Signature-Kelly > > I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total travel > > would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there have been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > transport by ground, that would be preferable IMHO. Although I could just > be projecting because I hate to fly personally. 1000 miles is a lonnnnng gruel trip by car, especially for a little cat that is scared of the car noise. I really think a flight is best. > 1000 miles is a lonnnnng gruel trip by car, especially for a little cat > that is scared of the car noise. I really think a flight is best. True. I traveled about 500 miles with a cat and that was a long trip. Signature-Kelly >>> I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total >>> travel would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 1000 miles is a lonnnnng gruel trip by car, especially for a little cat > that is scared of the car noise. I really think a flight is best. Once again ... making assumptions about an animal you never have met. Conan settled down after a few miles of car transport with me. So just be sure he is in a STRONG carrier ... not one of the inexpensive, dark, small, carboard animal carriers that the shelter gives you (for $4). This is a large, STRONG cat. He will bust out of cardboard. Ask me how I know. <SNIP> >Once again ... making assumptions about an animal you never have met. Conan >settled down after a few miles of car transport with me. So just be sure he >is in a STRONG carrier ... not one of the inexpensive, dark, small, carboard >animal carriers that the shelter gives you (for $4). This is a large, >STRONG cat. He will bust out of cardboard. Ask me how I know. Ask us how we know you're an asswipe, Arty...... eq >> > I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total > travel [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 1000 miles is a lonnnnng gruel trip by car, especially for a little cat > that is scared of the car noise. I really think a flight is best. Yes, it is a long trip. I have traveled farther with my pets (both by car and by air), but those were with cats that knew an trusted me. I mentioned the possibility of land transportation only as a possible alternative if no one can be found to escort Conan and transport him in the cabin of the aircraft. If I were making the decision, I would consider flying with an escort (and Conan in the cabin) as "first choice," land transportation second, and flying unescorted as cargo only as a "last resort" type of choice. MaryL >> I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total travel >> would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there have been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >transport by ground, that would be preferable IMHO. Although I could just >be projecting because I hate to fly personally. I have flown cats into SeaTac twice, and both times the animals arrived in fine shape. I would suggest the logistics of going to Orange County are impractical next to the option of having someone put him on a plane. Charlie Hi Charlie, If I can get a free ticket -- I'd be fine with picking him up, practical or not! I know people ship animals all of the time, but it's going to be more difficult in the summer too. They have outside temperature heat restrictions and it's probably already pretty hot in L.A. It might work on a late flight, it my ticket doesn't work out. Rhonda > I have flown cats into SeaTac twice, and both times the animals > arrived in fine shape. I would suggest the logistics of going to > Orange County are impractical next to the option of having someone put > him on a plane. > > Charlie >>I just spoke with Dan M. and he said he will definitely pick up Conan >>for us when we need him to. He has a PayPal account and I will send >>him the adoption fee plus $100 for gas, harness if it is needed, and >>his time. Not much, but things are a bit tight there with Harri's big >>medical bills. Dan said I can give his cell phone number to anyone >>who needs it. Whatever day/time it needs to be done, I can make the pickup and rendevous at either Orange County airport (closest) or LAX. I'm getting quite familiar with that portion of Orange County, since the vet that is taking care of Harri Roadcat is only about 10 miles from the shelter in Santa Ana. >>So: we have the adoption fee and transportation to wherever he >>goes to fly to Bellingham. (By the way, Dan says he has done >>deliveries there and it is 900 miles from where he is, which is >>in SoCal near Orange Co. if I got it right.) Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 miles. Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, 150 from the OR/WA line to Tacoma, then maybe another 50 or so to Bellingham? So flying would definitely be easier on Conan than making the trip via surface transport. >>When I can get through I will see if he is still at the shelter and >>up for adoption. If it is like last weekend, Katherine is there >>now and Hector will be there come Monday. My instincts tell >>me that it would be better to discuss an out-of-state adoption >>with Hector. If all else fails, I could put Conan up for a day or two at my place. My current six would be upset (especially since Harri is supposed to be coming home from hospital tomorrow) but if it became necessary I could probably sequester Conan in the bathroom for a couple of days. >>Of course, there is also the possibility that he will be adopted >>locally this weekend ... We can always hope, but if he hasn't been adopted by now... > I may have misunderstood some of this, but it sounds like the total travel > would be about 1,000 miles. Is that accurate? If so, there have been some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > making the arrangements can be difficult (especially with limited time > available). If this turns out to be a more practical option I could transport Conan a couple hundered miles or so. Like up to Bakersfield or maybe even Fresno, if someone eas available to take over from there. If I was still driving a semi I could probably take him the whole distance myself, but with a little luck I'll never see the inside of a semi again. Dan >Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 miles. >Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, 150 from the >OR/WA line to Tacoma, then maybe another 50 or so to Bellingham? So >flying would definitely be easier on Conan than making the trip via >surface transport. Bellingham is about 2 - 3 hours north of Seatac airport, depending on the traffic. About 350 miles. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >> Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 miles. >> Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, 150 from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bellingham is about 2 - 3 hours north of Seatac airport, depending on > the traffic. About 350 miles. Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to Bellingham, WA is 102 miles. Distance across OR using I-5 is 312 miles to WA state line. From OC Shelter to CA/OR state line is 690 miles. > >> Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 miles. > >> Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, 150 from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to Bellingham, WA is 102 miles. Sorry about that. I lost track of the line I was on in the distance chart. (Got spokane instead of Seattle). It is just over 100 miles. 2 hours on a good day and 3+ on a Friday evening. Somewhere in between on most days :) >>>> Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 >>>> miles. Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > hours on a good day and 3+ on a Friday evening. Somewhere in between on > most days :) I recall well my efforts to avoid Seattle during commute hours. No fun at all in a rig. Company I retired from had a drop yard in Federal Way. > I recall well my efforts to avoid Seattle during commute hours. No fun at > all in a rig. Company I retired from had a drop yard in Federal Way. My first run *through* Seattle in a big truck was a nightmare. I had runs in the area south of Seattle a bunch of times - Tacoma, Fife, etc - and my company had a yard in Kent. I had to run from Kent to a town (I can't remember the name now) right on the Canadian border, so I figured two hours would be enough time to get there. On a Friday. Riiiiiight. In a car I would have been an hour late. Pulling a 53' trailer I was over two hours late. And I thought LA traffic was bad! Dan >> I recall well my efforts to avoid Seattle during commute hours. No fun at >> all in a rig. Company I retired from had a drop yard in Federal Way. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >can't remember the name now) right on the Canadian border, so I figured >two hours would be enough time to get there. On a Friday. Riiiiiight. Yes, it has gotten really bad. I have done several trips to Canada on a Friday evening. Very tedious. I can't imagine having to do it in a truck, being cut off, and no access to the carpool lane. Was the small town Sumas? We go through the truck crossing there since it isn't as busy as the larger crossing. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>> Actually, when I reconsidered the distances it's more like 1200 miles. >>> Figure about 700 to the CA/OR line, another 300 across OR, 150 from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >From OC Shelter to CA/OR state line is 690 miles. Oh gee, Arty wants to help now. How touching! eq >>> I'd be willing to help arrange an airlift. I just have this antsy >>> feeling like it's time to get that started. I'd be willing to donate [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > MaryL Distance from Bellingham, WA to OC Animal Shelter is 1200 miles ... each way. Nearest airport is John Wayne Airport in Irvine ... about 6 miles from the OC Shelter. http://www.ocair.com/ Hi Mary, I left a message right after after 10am for Katherine or Hector. So far, no one has called back. I explained we have a possible adopter in Washington and could they possibly do a phone adoption interview, and that someone may be able to fly down and pick him up. I will find out on Monday if there is an air-pass I could use. I heard someone last week say there were some American passes leftover. If so, I could fly down in the morning and return in the evening (it's a 2-hr flight.) If the pass is not there or won't work for some reason, I'll check how else he could fly (unless anyone already has that info.) If anyone if planning a trip to Seattle or Portland, OR from the LA area soon, could Conan hitch a ride with you? I'm hoping the pass-thing works out, but best to cover the options. Bellingham is probably a 2-3 hr drive north of Seatac. Charlie and I will be talking on the phone about how to get him that last distance -- he has offered to drive down to the airport. I think make it work if they allow a long-distance adoption! Rhonda > Rhonda, is it possible to get a figure for a ticket for Conan? > I defer to your expertise here, or to Tracy's. Can one of you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Of course, there is also the possibility that he will be adopted > locally this weekend ... > Hi Mary, > > I left a message right after after 10am for Katherine or Hector. So far, > no one has called back. I explained we have a possible adopter in > Washington and could they possibly do a phone adoption interview, and > that someone may be able to fly down and pick him up. Damn, I am sorry I called too. I will leave it to you. I wish I had not missed that post! > I will find out on Monday if there is an air-pass I could use. I heard > someone last week say there were some American passes leftover. If so, I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rhonda Man, I just love you. Honest to dawg. You are going to make this happen. Thank you so much, Rhonda. If I hear back from Katherine before you do I think I will just shoot her back to you, is that okay? I can just ask her if she has talked to you yet. We don't want to confuse her. I guess we can't do anything until 1. We find out if they will do the out-of-town adoption 2. If they okay Charlie 3. If there is an air-pass you can use. PayPal takes three business days to get from one bank account to the next. Just as soon as the three things above are cleared up I will send Dan the adoption fee and gas money. We need to clear up the carrier issue, too. You guys are just the best. > > Rhonda, is it possible to get a figure for a ticket for Conan? > > I defer to your expertise here, or to Tracy's. Can one of you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Of course, there is also the possibility that he will be adopted > > locally this weekend ... Hi Mary, If she calls you -- go right on ahead! You already have a relationship with them. It got a bit confusing to me with 2 threads going on this. If you have a cell phone, there's more chance she can reach you. I've been trying to hang around but so far no calls. All paws are crossed... Rhonda > Man, I just love you. Honest to dawg. You are going to make > this happen. Thank you so much, Rhonda. If I hear back from [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 2. If they okay Charlie > 3. If there is an air-pass you can use. snip > I guess we can't do anything until > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You guys are just the best. Money wired to a Paypal member's associated email address is delivered in ... seconds. It's those eChecks that take 3-4 days to clear. >snip >> I guess we can't do anything until [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >It's those eChecks that take 3-4 days to clear. It takes 3-4 days to transfer it to a checking account. No big deal if you have a paypal debit card, but not everybody does. I recently had to go without because I didn't realize I had to activate the new card before the old card expired. The email notice said I had 90 days. So the day after it expired, I found out that I would have to request a new card and wait 2 weeks. In the meantime, it took 3 days to transfer the funds to my checking account. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >snip > >> I guess we can't do anything until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It takes 3-4 days to transfer it to a checking account. No big deal if > you have a paypal debit card, but not everybody does. Exactly. I wish I could figure out why Philip needs to keep posting about things he does not know a damned thing about. What I meant was, if send an instant payment Monday, the money will not be in his hands until possibly Thursday, assuming he needs to have it withdrawn to his checking account. I recently had > to go without because I didn't realize I had to activate the new card > before the old card expired. The email notice said I had 90 days. So > the day after it expired, I found out that I would have to request a > new card and wait 2 weeks. In the meantime, it took 3 days to transfer > the funds to my checking account. I don't need another debit card, so I have never had a PayPal debit card! I have one and hand over the receipts because my math is so bad all hell would break loose if I did not. The reason I have an accountant is because basic math thwarts me so I don't even want to see what would happen if I handled the money my business brings in, and my taxes and such. Also she is good about getting me the most for my money--very important for a small business. >>> snip >>>> I guess we can't do anything until [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > his hands until possibly Thursday, assuming he needs to have it > withdrawn to his checking account. I have stated that a Paypal member can instantaneously transfer money to another Paypal member's account using the recipient's email address. How the recipient chooses to withdraw than transfer is up to them. Or, one can use the eCheck payment method which takes 3-4 days to clear. I've done this quite a bit, Mary. It is you who need to get up to speed. :^) snip > I don't need another debit card, so I have never had a PayPal > debit card! I have one and hand over the receipts because my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is good about getting me the most for my money--very important > for a small business. Glad to hear you are in business for yourself. You would be an HR nightmare. |
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