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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2003tried everything for Yowling
its not new, but it's worse I have used feliway gotten new toys and rotate them, play with her several times a day,,,making sure to do longer session in evening she's always feed before we go bed, has both dry and canned food & fresh water Sam is given lots of loving keep a light and a radio all night, mind you we live in small one floor 2 bdrm apartment she can go outside on the balcony as she pleases, but no outside at all I have ignored it I have thrown things at her and yelled NO (I never hit her with an object) she's not close enough to use the water bottle thing I'll call her into bedroom give her some loving, she settles at the end bed for a few hrs...takes off and it begins all over again Sam is 13 or 14, spayed...still very active healthy, she eats well, coat is great shape, litter box no problems, curoius as hell friendly but the damn yowling...I've never heard a cat louder...she sounds like she's in heat and yowling into a megaphone does it on and off during the day its the night time thing....as in every night we get waken up several times live in rural area there only 3 vets....all want total payment up front I have posted before....SPCA says there are no programs to help w/Vet unless animal is severally sick as in life threatning are income is very limited, hubby on SSI due to cancer living with the yowling....he truly needs his sleep as do I at my wits end, love her dearly but need sleep the neighbors have even complained....since goes out on the balcony and yowls! ensoul He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it ~Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Is there a way to sedate her at night? Or keep her awake during the day so that her sleep cycle kicks in when yours does? > its not new, but it's worse > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > whose it was and whether they were enjoying it > ~Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > its not new, but it's worse > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > whose it was and whether they were enjoying it > ~Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Has she always done this? If so, it is probably not medical. Does she dislike the vacuum? If so, put a vacuum next to your bed for a few nights. Rig it up to plug in to start. If she begins to yowl, turn it on and then off. If she makes the association, she should stop. Another suggestion, get earplugs. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <kchuplis@alltelPOP.netGOAWAY> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: Re: tried everything for Yowling > > its not new, but it's worse > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > off. If she makes the association, she should stop. Another suggestion, get > earplugs. I like this advice. I just wanted to add that when my 19-year-old started vocalizing a lot more and for no apparent reason, the vet told me it could be a little "senility." Your baby might be getting a bit dotty. > Karen > > its not new, but it's worse > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Karen >I just wanted to add that when my >19-year-old started vocalizing a lot more >and for no apparent reason, the vet told >me it could be a little "senility." Your baby >might be getting a bit dotty. I have to disagree. While I would expect some senility to show in a cat as old as yours, senility in a cat of 13 is probably very rare. 13 isn't so old. I have several cats that are 13 and they are all as active and cognizant as their much younger counterparts. I hope that you've had a thyroid test and bloodwork done for your cat to rule out a medical cause for the yowling. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Megan wrote in message news:20572-3F6DF0B9-249@storefull-2137.public.lawson.webtv.net... > I have to disagree. While I would expect some senility to show in a cat > as old as yours, senility in a cat of 13 is probably very rare. 13 isn't > so old. Not according to my vet. He told me that cats are considered "senior citizens" beginning at age 12. Most vets would certainly agree. Additionally, cats candevelop psychological problems at any age, regardless of physical health. >I have several cats that are 13 and they are all as active and > cognizant as their much younger counterparts. Well aren't you lucky. While part of that may be good care, (depending on how you care for them, which I know nothing about) but a large part is genetics, as I am sure you know. I hope you do not let your healthy, lucky cats outside, as that will surely hurt their chances of living to an even healthier old age. (Like that tone, do you?) :) > I hope that you've had a thyroid test and bloodwork done for your cat to > rule out a medical cause for the yowling. I hope you are open-minded enough to be able to learn that your self-righteous tone is obnoxious and offensive. Meanwhile, why the hell do you think the vet decided on senility? We had a full battery of tests done AND saw a kitty psychologist. She was healthy as a horse, just had developed a bit of dottiness. And she was 19 years old, you idiot. How many cats have you known that lived that long? She died of old age at 20. > Megan > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > Megan wrote in message > news:20572-3F6DF0B9-249@storefull-2137.p [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> yours, senility in a cat of 13 is >> probably very rare. 13 isn't so old. > Not according to my vet. He told me that > cats are considered "senior citizens" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > age, regardless of > physical health. I don't disagree that cats are seniors at age 13. And I don't disagree that cats can develop psychological problems at any age. I said that it is rare for a 13 year old cat to be senile as they aren't "that" old and that a medical problem should be ruled out first. >> I have several cats that are 13 and they >> are all as active and cognizant as their >> much younger counterparts. > Well aren't you lucky. While part of > that may be good care, (depending on how [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > living to an even healthier old age. > (Like that tone, do you?) :) Yes, my cats get good care and are indoors. I don't know why you've gone off the deep end here. >> I hope that you've had a thyroid test >> and bloodwork done for your cat to rule >> out a medical cause for the yowling. > I hope you are open-minded enough to be > able to learn that your self-righteous > tone is obnoxious and offensive. Maybe in your mind, but there was no self-righteous tone in my post. I said I hoped you had bloodwork done first. What's your problem? If you spend any amount of time on this group you will find that many people assume things are behavioral without ruling out a medical issue first. My query was in line and appropriate. Why you feel the need to get so defensive and nasty is a mystery. > Meanwhile, why the hell do you think the > vet decided on senility? We had a full [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dottiness. And she was 19 years old, you > idiot. I don't know why you feel the need to resort to namecalling and exhibit the offensive and obnoxious behavior you complain about, especially when neither I nor anyone else could have known why the vet diagnosed senility as you didn't post one single thing that said how he arrived at his diagnosis until your response to me. If you expect people here to be mindreaders you'll be very disappointed. And if you take disagreement with what you say this hard then Usenet is probably not the place for you. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Megan wrote in message > news:20572-3F6DF0B9-249@storefull-2137.public.lawson.webtv.net... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of > physical health. Some may consider them to be "seniors" -- but please keep in mind that people are often considered to be senior citizens at age 50 or 55, but the majority of people are really pretty active at that age. Age is a relative thing, but senility is not common at the beginning of our senior years. I had a cat that lived to be almost 20. He did not start slowing down or even show any health problems until he was more than 18. He never did show any signs of "senility." My next cat lived to be 16. She had serious health issues beginning at age 13 -- but again, no signs of "senility." I think this statement was overly broad. My vet did say that many cats start to show health problems around age 13, but he certainly never intimated that senility would be an issue for most cats at that relatively young age. (I say "relatively young" because many well-cared-for cats now live beyond 20 years of age.) These were both indoor-only cats. One was feral when I adopted him. Tragically, the other (the one that lived to be 16) had been four-paw declawed before I adopted her. My two current cats are ages 5 and "going on" 9. Both are playful, active, vigorous, and healthy ... and show no signs of aging. The OP said Sam is 13 or 14. I would want to have further medical tests before deciding that a cat of that age was senile. MaryL (take out the litter to reply) Photos of Duffy and Holly (pictorial history of my blind cat Duffy's integration into our household): Duffy, Part I: The Introduction -- http://tinyurl.com/8y54 Duffy, Part II: Life at Home -- http://tinyurl.com/8y56 > Age is a relative > thing, but senility is not common at the beginning of our senior years. It's not common, but it is *possible.* And cats can be geriatric as early as 8. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > Age is a relative > > thing, but senility is not common at the beginning of our senior years. > > It's not common, but it is *possible.* > > And cats can be geriatric as early as 8. Yes, that's true. However, I do think that other medical possibilities should first be checked before assuming senility. I do realize that the OP is concerned about cost, and she mentioned in one post that her husband has cancer, but it would be very beneficial if there is any possible way to have a thyroid test and full panel blood work. MaryL (take out the litter to reply) > Yes, that's true. However, I do think that other medical possibilities > should first be checked before assuming senility. All possibilities should be checked. I wasn't really assuming dementia, but considering it as a possibility. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ Diane L. Schirf <delenn@whoareyou.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Yes, that's true. However, I do think that other medical >> possibilities should first be checked before assuming senility. > > All possibilities should be checked. I wasn't really assuming > dementia, but considering it as a possibility. If yowling is a sign on senilty, Kami has been senile since she was two. Which would explain a lot... ;) You actually only yowls as an anouncement that she has pooped or lost some particular phantom prey. (Although, last night she did capture and eat the cricket and yowled when she couldn't hunbt up more.) SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > If yowling is a sign on senilty, Kami has been senile since she was > two. Which would explain a lot... ;) > > You actually only yowls as an anouncement that she has pooped or lost > some particular phantom prey. (Although, last night she did capture > and eat the cricket and yowled when she couldn't hunbt up more.) The question was about constant yowling. Hodge yowls, too, but not constantly. The cats I've seen doing it constantly were older, and the owner theorized deafness or dementia, as they'd had the senior blood panels. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > I have to disagree. While I would expect some senility to show in a cat > as old as yours, senility in a cat of 13 is probably very rare. 13 isn't > so old. I have several cats that are 13 and they are all as active and > cognizant as their much younger counterparts. Animals age at different rates, as do people. Some people as young as mid-40s begin developing Alzheimer's. So, yes, dementia is a possibility in a cat that is 5-6 years past the beginning definition of "geriatric." Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ You should have your cat checked to see if she is hyperthyroid. I know you said your income is limited, but it needs to be ruled out. Maybe a friend/family member will help you with a loan. Having a credit card set aside to use just for vet bills would probably be a good idea so you have an option if faced with an emergency. Yowling is a classic symptom of hyperthyroid and your cat is in the age range for developing this disease. The fact that it is getting worse makes me suspect that that is what is going on. If she does have it it can be controlled with medication. Also, throwing shoes at your cat and squirting her won't help and is mean. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray It'a possible that your kitty could be going deaf. Sometimes when cats are going deaf, they vocalize a lot, just like people who are hard of hearing sometimes talk too loud. She also could be going a little senile. Yes, 13 is early old age for a cat, but I think it could be possible. My cat, who was 13 when she passed away, used to do what I would call "pinging" me. She would wander around the house yowling, waiting for me to answer. I would say "over here!" and she would follow my voice till she found me. She would be quiet while she was with me. Would it be possible to keep food, water, and litterbox in your bedroom at night? You could just keep her in the bedroom with the door closed all night, so she doesn't wander too far and forget where you are. If you can afford it at all, I think a checkup with the vet would be a good idea. She should have a senior blood panel run just to rule out things like hyperthyroid, kidney failure, liver problems, etc. Good luck! Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com > its not new, but it's worse > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > whose it was and whether they were enjoying it > ~Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > It'a possible that your kitty could be going deaf. Sometimes when cats are > going deaf, they vocalize a lot, just like people who are hard of hearing > sometimes talk too loud. She also could be going a little senile. Hey, I just posted the same things, and then read your post. GMTA . . . Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ << Sam is 13 or 14, spayed...still very active >> It could be hyperthyroidism which, unfortunatley, can only be diagnosed with bloodwork. Once diagnosed, it can be treated inexpensively with tapazole. Actually, untreated hyperthyroidism is definitely life-threatening. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace >From: ensoul100@aol.com (Ensoul100) >Sam is 13 or 14, spayed...still very active > >healthy, she eats well, coat is great shape, litter box no problems, curoius >as >hell >friendly Has she had a complete physical with a full blood panel recently? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Subject: Re: tried everything for Yowling >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter >Has she had a complete physical with a full blood panel recently? no...my husband has cancer and he's on SSI...the hospital he gets treated at is 70 miles, btwn gas and everthing else we a broke and poor...we have credit cards vets wont take us without money up front I can't borrow from nayone because I cant afford to pay them back ensoul > Sam is 13 or 14, spayed...still very active I've heard of older cats yowling. One of my friends had an older yowler. She had two theories: Hearing loss (the cat couldn't hear herself and didn't realise she was yowling) and/or dementia. Just her theories. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ |
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