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Elizabeth Blake - 22 Jun 2005 16:52 GMT
At work, every so often (once or twice a month) I'll find a single turd on
the floor.  Usually in one same area but the turds have appeared in a few
other places.  This morning, I was going to go upstairs and I saw Harriet
squatting on the rug down in the basement.  She dropped a turd, saw me and
ran upstairs.  I tried to catch her but she hid under tables.  Finally
caught her and brought her back down to the litterbox.  She stuck all her
limbs out so I couldn't get her in and then she wriggled free and ran.

I went and checked the other three cat boxes (we have 4 total for Harriet &
Stinky) and when I got back to my office, Harriet was in her favroite box,
finishing up her business.

I think maybe she sometimes has a hard time starting her bowel movement, and
this is why she'll do it on the rug.  There is only ever ONE single turd on
the rug, so I guess once she knows she can go she heads back to the box.
Does that sound right?  She pretty much only poops downstairs, not up in the
actual bookstore.  I hate to think she's having pain when she goes.  I have
some Laxaire (I think) that I'm going to start giving daily.  She never
cries out when she's going, and she always sticks around to bury her waste
when she's finished.

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Liz
Karen - 23 Jun 2005 00:58 GMT
> At work, every so often (once or twice a month) I'll find a single turd on
> the floor.  Usually in one same area but the turds have appeared in a few
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> --
> Liz

I'd sure give her the laxatone. She may be having a bit of problem that way.
Poor thing. I always feel bad for them if that happens.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 03:03 GMT
<snip>

> I hate to think she's having pain when she goes.  I have
> some Laxaire (I think) that I'm going to start giving daily.
> She never cries out when she's going, and she always sticks
> around to bury her waste when she's finished.

It does sound like she's straining to go if the result is a small
round turd. Try to observe her when she goes, and even try to
observe any signs of pain before she goes. My RB cat Marley had
megacolon and before I ever noticed him in any pain, I'd find small
round hard poops on the floor. Soon after that (and I didn't think
anything of the small poops -- I didn't know much about cat health
then; I'd never had a sick cat) I noticed him making weird noises
that turned out to be groans. He's stretch himself out and groan,
then go try to poop. After I knew what his problem was, I
discovered that it was too hard to move his bowels standing in the
litterbox which is why he'd walk around trying. Let us know if the
laxative helps at all. I know the vet could feel when his bowels
were impacted just by touch, but I'm not sure I could tell if I had
to.

In addition to the laxative, maybe a little canned pumpkin mixed in
her food. Also, make sure she's drinking enough. Try adding
additional sources of water for her to drink from. In different
places around your home. Keep it freshened.

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Elizabeth  Blake - 23 Jun 2005 03:29 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> were impacted just by touch, but I'm not sure I could tell if I had
> to.

She had been in my office maybe a minute or two before I found her pooping
on the rug.  She had been begging for her morning treat but I was busy doing
something, so she gave up and left.  I finished what I was doing and got the
treats (freeze dried chicken) and went to look for her, and found her in
pooping position.  When she was in my office she seemed fine, jumping on my
desk, head butting me and wondering why I wasn't opening the desk drawer
that contains the treats.

Last year, she was blocked and stayed overnight at the vet's to be cleaned
out.  Last year, I'd see her in position in a box, but when I looked later
there was nothing there.  I then noticed that she'd go from box to box doing
the same thing but nothing was coming out.  One time I caught her squatting
on a bag on the floor and didn't bother her, hoping she'd go but it didn't
work.  The vet said she had the biggest hairball he'd ever seen inside her.
On Monday she did puke up a hairball.

She does go back to the box once she leaves that first turd somewhere.  She
hasn't seemed "off" in any way, still following me around begging for
treats, and jumping onto my desk 40 times a day begging for treats.  FYI -
freeze dried chicken is like cat crack.

> In addition to the laxative, maybe a little canned pumpkin mixed in
> her food. Also, make sure she's drinking enough. Try adding
> additional sources of water for her to drink from. In different
> places around your home. Keep it freshened.

She's always loved drinking water, and there's a Drinkwell fountain in my
office.  While I'm at work, she comes in several times a day for a long
drink.  Because she's in a store, we don't have many counter spaces for
water bowls, and the place can get very dusty so I don't like putting their
water anyplace except my office.  Harriet is not a fan of wet food.  They
get dry food in the morning, because I rarely get to work on time and it
seems that none of my co-workers know how to open a can.  Also, the manager
at the store has cats and feel she knows everything about cats and she is
always right.  She is right about everything, not just cats!  So, I have had
a million arguments about the cats with her.  She insists that wet food is
no good for them and they should only have dry.  We had that argument again
last week and she just walked away after a minute.  Every vet she's taken
her cats to has been (according to her) awful, stupid, wrong etc.  As long
as a vet agrees with her thinking, he's okay.  She feeds her cats tuna every
day, and leaves half & half for them.  She does also free feed dry food,
fish flavors only.  If she does buy canned, that is also fish.  Whenever she
starts in about the cats at work I flat out tell her that I'm making the
final decision.

I'll just keep an eye on Harriet and give her the laxative and watch her
every time I see her using a box.  They're due for an annual checkup, shots
etc in September but I'll bring her in earlier if she seems to be having
problems.

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Liz
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 22:49 GMT
<snip>

> I'll just keep an eye on Harriet and give her the laxative and
> watch her every time I see her using a box.  They're due for an
> annual checkup, shots etc in September but I'll bring her in
> earlier if she seems to be having problems.

Good luck and keep us updated ok? Pooping problems are another one of
those miserable things for them. :(  

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IBen Getiner - 23 Jun 2005 09:20 GMT
> At work, every so often (once or twice a month) I'll find a single turd on
> the floor.  Usually in one same area but the turds have appeared in a few
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> --
> Liz

Turd is a nasty word coming from a woman. But at any rate, she might
just be leaving you a little present! That's what the wife's little
Yorkies always do!  When we go off and leave them, and  they somehow
break out of their confined area. They will leave us one in every room!
No sh.t!
Seriously though, Elizabeth... it's probably just a little dingleberry
problem. Try clipping the fur around her little butthole. They won't
have much to hang onto that way.
                          IBen
Rhonda - 24 Jun 2005 02:51 GMT
Hi Liz,

One thing I wanted to pass along, is that it's probably best to not
forcefully put her in the litter box. I have an unwritten rule with ours
that the litter box is off-limits to us -- except to clean.

We had a cat that I caught standing up in the litter box and peeing
against the wall. I ran to her and pushed her rear down to try to get
her to pee in the box. That succeeded in freaking her out and she ran,
and did not use the box again for months. It was a nightmare, but it was
my fault. It turned out she had arthritis in her back and it was hard
for her to squat, so it was medical problem, and I made it into a
behavioral problem!

Good luck with your girl,

Rhonda

>  I tried to catch her but she hid under tables.  Finally
> caught her and brought her back down to the litterbox.  She stuck all her
> limbs out so I couldn't get her in and then she wriggled free and ran.
Elizabeth  Blake - 24 Jun 2005 03:07 GMT
> Hi Liz,
>
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>
> Rhonda

I definitely won't be putting Harriet back in the box.  It was actually
funny how she stuck all of her limbs straight out, like in a cartoon.  She
did go back in the box on her own within minutes, and finished up there.

At home I have a 15 year old female who has only used the box (for peeing)
once a day.  She's done it all her life, and no vet was ever able to find
anything wrong with her and told me to just let her go on her own schedule.
Tiger has peed outside the box at times (usually on my bed or my laundry on
the floor).  For the last few years I've been putting her in the box every
night at the same time.  That way I know she's gone, and she can have access
to my bedroom.  Every once in awhile she'll refuse to go.  It usually means
she wants to poop, but I think that having me standing over the box makes
her nervous and she won't do anything.  When that happens, my bedroom door
stays shut during the night and stays that way until I get her back to her
usual night pee time.  This works out well, and I don't have to worry about
waking up to any wet surprises.  And yes, after the incidents she was at the
vet and she was proclaimed to be healthy.  They've all said it's a behavior
issue.

This morning at work there was poop in two boxes, so it looks like both cats
at work went between the time I left Wednesday night & got in Thursday
morning.

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Liz
Elizabeth  Blake - 24 Jun 2005 15:34 GMT
> At home I have a 15 year old female who has only used the box (for peeing)
> once a day.  She's done it all her life, and no vet was ever able to find
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> after the incidents she was at the vet and she was proclaimed to be
> healthy.  They've all said it's a behavior issue.

I jinxed myself.  After writing the above and sending it last (Thursday)
night, I went into the bathroom to clean the litter box, in preparation for
putting Tiger in for her nightly pee.  I do that between 10pm-midnight.  In
the covered box, I saw what looked like a good sized quantity of pee.  It
was right on the bottom of the box, on the side.  Those are always annoying
to get out cleanly, since they're stuck to the box.  I figured Tiger had
gone in on her own when I wasn't paying attention, which she'll do
sometimes.  This morning, shortlay after 8:00am, I'm in bed and I'm awake
but not yet ready to get up.  All of a sudden I feel something warm & wet on
my leg.  TIGER!!!!  I must have been wrong about the box last night.  It was
probably Otto's work, but since it wasn't a clean clump and was spread out
it looked like it was a bigger volume than it was.

I jumped out of bed and found TIger, whose back end was soaked, and washed
her off in the sink.  Stripped the bed, jumped in the shower and then went
to the laundry to wash everything.  A year or two ago I took off the
waterproof mattress cover, since she had gone a long time with no accidents.
I think I'll call for an appointment for her next week.  I've got to find a
new vet, as I've hated the last two we've seen.  A few years ago I took Otto
somewhere else when he had an eye infection at Christmas, and the regular
vet at the time was on vacation.  I'll try that place again.  I don't drive,
so my choices are limited.

Tiger spent about a half hour in the bathroom drying off on a towel.  When I
went in she did her usual happy grunts and came over and started purring,
and wanting to know what time breakfast was being served.

I had a feeling I should have shut my bedroom door last night.

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Liz
Meghan Noecker - 24 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT
>I think maybe she sometimes has a hard time starting her bowel movement, and
>this is why she'll do it on the rug.  There is only ever ONE single turd on
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>cries out when she's going, and she always sticks around to bury her waste
>when she's finished.

Kira sometimes has trouble. Often, it is harder than normal, and more
uncomfortable for her. She leaves the box.

Or she has another problem. She has hair that passes through her
system and is contained in more than one piece of poop. So, one piece
may come out and the other one is still inside. She then runs around,
and eventually settles down and tries to chew it off.

Anytime, I see her fussing like that, I check. If it is a hair causing
one to hang, I can fix it with a pair of scissors. I'm sure it is
still uncomfortable, but not as painful.

And sometimes, she gets one caught in her fur and it just falls off
later, in the wrong place.

In all cases, I think it is more a physical issue than a behavioral
issue, so I don't blame her. If it looks like she still has to go, I
will take her back over and put her next to the box, but I don't force
her. I don't want to associate bad things with the box, and I can
always clean it up easily.

Today, she hacked up a hairball, and I just moved stuff out of her
way. She doesn't need the added stress of somebody yelling at her or
moving her. So, I just make sure she can't hit anything important.
She's usually pretty good at jumping down off the furniture when she
feels the need.

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Elizabeth  Blake - 24 Jun 2005 15:40 GMT
> Kira sometimes has trouble. Often, it is harder than normal, and more
> uncomfortable for her. She leaves the box.

The turd she dropped on the rug this week did look a little large/hard.  I
guess it did cause her some discomfort.  I can't remember what the rest in
the box looked like, as she buried them and I just scooped without paying
much attention.

> Or she has another problem. She has hair that passes through her
> system and is contained in more than one piece of poop. So, one piece
> may come out and the other one is still inside. She then runs around,
> and eventually settles down and tries to chew it off.

My cats at home have done that.  Once in awhile they'll bolt out of the box
and go running, and I can see something hanging out of their rear.  They've
also had them just stick in their fur even though they're shorthaired.  One
time Tiger had one hanging out and I could tell it was attached to hair.  I
gently pulled it (using paper towels!) and it came out attached to a lot of
hair.

> In all cases, I think it is more a physical issue than a behavioral
> issue, so I don't blame her. If it looks like she still has to go, I
> will take her back over and put her next to the box, but I don't force
> her. I don't want to associate bad things with the box, and I can
> always clean it up easily.

I've got to say, if it's a choice between cleaning up poop or pee outside
the box, I'll take the poop every time.  Even if they drop to the floor and
scoot their butt on the ground, a skidmark is still easier to clean up.

> Today, she hacked up a hairball, and I just moved stuff out of her
> way. She doesn't need the added stress of somebody yelling at her or
> moving her. So, I just make sure she can't hit anything important.
> She's usually pretty good at jumping down off the furniture when she
> feels the need.

Otto is the opposite.  He loved to deposit hairballs on the couch, his bed
and my desk chair.  His #1 spot is on a mat on the floor in front of the
kitchen sink.  He likes a soft surface to spit up on.  A hairball alone is
easy to clean but if food is involved it gets messy.  The ones with food he
usually saves for his bed.

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Liz
Meghan Noecker - 25 Jun 2005 10:42 GMT
>I've got to say, if it's a choice between cleaning up poop or pee outside
>the box, I'll take the poop every time.  Even if they drop to the floor and
>scoot their butt on the ground, a skidmark is still easier to clean up.

Yes, I don't mind it much at all. A simple paper towel or kleenex and
the mess is gone.

What I do mind is what Kira did today. She spent the whole day
downstairs with the door shut. I usually don't keep the door shut to
the basement, so, she usually isn't stuck with Chase all day. And he
has a tendency to harrass her at the litter box.

So, she peed on the top of the cat tree and pooped over the edge. It
doesn't happen often, but if she is harrassed or feels cornered, she
will pee on the spot. Why she had to pick the top of the cat tree, Ii
don't know. She then didn't have a place to hang out.

So, I came home, sat down at the computer, and caught the smell. It
took me awhile to find it. I cleaned and scrubbed, but it still
smells. It's a small cat tree that I keep on top of the table to make
it taller, so I may just shove it in the bathtub and hose it down. I
haven't figured out the best way to dry it if I do that.

>Otto is the opposite.  He loved to deposit hairballs on the couch, his bed
>and my desk chair.  His #1 spot is on a mat on the floor in front of the
>kitchen sink.  He likes a soft surface to spit up on.  A hairball alone is
>easy to clean but if food is involved it gets messy.  The ones with food he
>usually saves for his bed.

I have been fortunate with Kira. She is the most active with hair
balls since she is long hair. But she is almost always in the walkway
when she does it, so I can just clean it off the rug. Not too bad.

When she was younger and would start to hack, I would gently pick her
up and move her to the floor. Quietly and calmly. So, she figured out
that was the best place to go. And she usually does it on her own.
She'll be on the bed, suddenly jump down to the floor, and then hack.

Maynard rarely barfed anything up, but he was dangerous when he did.
He even barfed on my phone bill once. Although one time, he was
sitting on my desk and managed to lean over the edge and send it into
the garbage can. Good boy!

But usually, it was on my bed. And Kira used to get separation anxiety
when I went out of town overnight.Nothing like geting home tired and
ready for bed, only to find you have 3 loads of laundry to do first. I
used to put a vinyl tablecloth on the bed, fuzzy side up, when leaving
town. Then I could peel off the mess and go to bed with no problem.

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biggerbadderbarry - 25 Jun 2005 17:20 GMT
> --
> Liz

I've read the whole thread, I just wanted to mention
excersize.

Knowing that the heart is ultimately the driving force behind all body
functions, and knowing that the heart spends most of it's life on
digesting and distributing food.

You never said, but I just think for constipation, some good old
fashioned excersize cannot hurt.

I've been forcing Ruprecht to GET UP, and GET OUT!

Him and I play alot, but it's not the same as a cardiovascular
excersize, or aerobics.
biggerbadderbarry - 25 Jun 2005 17:25 GMT
> Him and I play alot, but it's not the same as a cardiovascular
> excersize, or aerobics.

Of course, I realize, meds can constipate, stress, lack of priivicy

and so on...lol

As far as excersize

Think about it, in the wild, they would have to hunt for their food.

Here we hand it to them; and we even go as far as to talk them into
eating it, and they never had to work to get it (pro se)Not like a
hunt!
 
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