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Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 15:07 GMT
In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two
feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat,
has made this transition without problem. My intention was to convert
gradually, but when Jade came racing into the kitchen as soon as I
opened the can I knew I wouldn't have any problems and she has been on
moist food since.

Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I
tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't
touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the
kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping
the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped
kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions?

Matthew
PawsForThought - 21 Jun 2005 15:53 GMT
> Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I
> tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't
> touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the
> kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping
> the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped
> kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions?

Maybe Koshka just doesn't like the flavor of the canned food.  If it's
beef, then maybe you could try turkey instead.  Also, you might try a
different brand as well.

Good luck,
Lauren
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT
> > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I
> > tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't
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> beef, then maybe you could try turkey instead.  Also, you might try a
> different brand as well.

Thanks for the suggestion. I saw in another post someone called Fancy
Feast "kitty krack." Maybe that would do it.

Matthew
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 17:18 GMT
> In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two
> feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Matthew

I had to practice "tough love" in my attempts to convert Holly and Duffy
(but especially Duffy) from dry food to canned food.  However, it was worth
it.  I use Wellness, and their coats showed an almost-immediate improvement
(again, especially for Duffy -- but I had just adopted him after he spent
several months in a shelter, so Holly was in much better condition when I
started).  By "tough love," I mean that after going through the procedures
you mentioned, I then put out canned food with no dry food.  It almost made
me cry because they simply would not eat and I felt like I was starving
them.  I left the food out for about an hour, then cleaned their bowls and
did not replace the food until the next scheduled feeding.  I really felt
terrible depriving them of the food they wanted, but they started to eat on
the second day.  They didn't eat full portions at first, but that soon
changed and they adjusted very quickly to scheduled meals (12-hour feeding
schedule).  They still really like dry food, so I now give them a small
amount of Wellness dry food every 3 or 4 days as a "treat" -- but not on a
daily basis because I don't want them to again begin demanding dry food.

MaryL
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT
> > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two
> > feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> amount of Wellness dry food every 3 or 4 days as a "treat" -- but not on a
> daily basis because I don't want them to again begin demanding dry food.

I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full
pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous?
She was 13lbs when I started caring for her.

Matthew
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 19:45 GMT
>> > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the
> two
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> when I
>> started).
<snip>
> I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full
> pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous?
> She was 13lbs when I started caring for her.
>
> Matthew

Yes, that would be *much* too rapid if the weight loss were to continue.
However, I think you could afford to experiment with putting out only canned
food for a day or two.  You could also spoon a little tuna juice over the
canned food to tempt Koshka.  Incidentally, I assume Koshka is healthy and
has been seen by a vet.  That is very important.
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MaryL
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 20:08 GMT
> >> > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> canned food to tempt Koshka.  Incidentally, I assume Koshka is healthy and
> has been seen by a vet.  That is very important.

Indeed, Koshka received vaccinations and evaluation last month. The
only concern the vet mentioned was her weight. She continues to be
active and to my untrained eye continues to be healthy. Shiny coat,
regular bowel movements, urination, no vomiting, etc. She did lose a
whisker yesterday, I assumed it was similar to shedding but I'm not
sure.

Another random question: is it advisable to give a cat an egg yolk?
Due to my own diet, I throw several down the garbage disposal every
morning, but perhaps this is another possible food option.

Thanks bunches!
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 21:16 GMT
>> >> > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food.
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Thanks bunches!

An occasional raw egg yolk would be fine, but do not use raw egg white
(which a cat cannot digest).  Of course, the same warnings about salmonella
in raw eggs pertain to cats as to people.

MaryL
Phil P. - 21 Jun 2005 22:30 GMT
> I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full
> pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous?

Yes.  Any more than 1 pound/4 weeks could initiate a sequence of events that
can cause serious liver problems.

> She was 13lbs when I started caring for her.

..especially if she is overweight or obese.

Phil
Phil P. - 21 Jun 2005 22:30 GMT
> In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two
> feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped
> kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions?

Put down a smorgasbord of different brands and flavors and let her choose
her favorite.  A good group of foods would be Wysong Chicken Gourmet, Wysong
Liver Gourmet; PetGuard Turkey & Rice, PetGuard Rabbit, PetGuard Chicken &
Wheat; Innova Lite; Nutro Beef & Egg Skillet; Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken in
Gravy, Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey in Gravy, Fancy Feast Minced Beef, Fancy
Feast Grilled Beef.

Best of luck,

Phil
equalizer - 21 Jun 2005 23:15 GMT
>> In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two
>> feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Phil

Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats
Wellness Chicken. This new batch was giving tem all very soft stools.
So, today I picked up Hill's Liver & Chicken Entree to try. How do you
feel about this one?
---MIKE--- - 22 Jun 2005 00:21 GMT
>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness
>> Chicken. This new batch was giving
>> them all very soft stools.

I have gone through two cases of the new batch and have not seen any
difference in their stools.

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
equalizer - 22 Jun 2005 00:42 GMT
>>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness
>>> Chicken. This new batch was giving
>>> them all very soft stools.
>
>I have gone through two cases of the new batch and have not seen any
>difference in their stools.

Thanks

>                  ---MIKE---
>>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
> >> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
Jean B. - 22 Jun 2005 22:15 GMT
>>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness
>>>Chicken. This new batch was giving
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>
>                   ---MIKE---

Happily, Mingy has not had a problem with Wellness either....
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equalizer - 23 Jun 2005 03:55 GMT
>>>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness
>>>>Chicken. This new batch was giving
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Happily, Mingy has not had a problem with Wellness either....

Thanks
Phil P. - 22 Jun 2005 13:20 GMT
> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats
> Wellness Chicken.

Smart play.  Who knows whose manufacturing Wellness now or what's in it.
They could even be brokering the contract to the lowest bidder.  Quality
control is major problem with third party manufacturing.

This new batch was giving tem all very soft stools.
> So, today I picked up Hill's Liver & Chicken Entree to try. How do you
> feel about this one?

Liver & Chicken Entree isn't my favorite but its on my acceptible foods
list.  What happened with the Turkey?

Phil
equalizer - 22 Jun 2005 14:14 GMT
>> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats
>> Wellness Chicken.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Phil

They didn't have it this time, so I bought the Liver & Chicken. They didn't
think is was so great, but they ate it. Floppy as usual required a sample to be
put in a seperate dish, carefully warmed up to the right temperature, and placed
on top of the kitchen table before he would eat it, but he did.

As a caveat, Mike in NH has reported no change in his cat's stools on the
Wellness Chicken.
Phil P. - 22 Jun 2005 15:22 GMT
> >> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats
> >> Wellness Chicken.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> put in a seperate dish, carefully warmed up to the right temperature, and placed
> on top of the kitchen table before he would eat it, but he did.

What a character!  ;-)

> As a caveat, Mike in NH has reported no change in his cat's stools on the
> Wellness Chicken.

Some cats are less sensitive to changes in the diet than others.

I'd really like to find out the whole story about what's going on with
Wellness.  Their vagueness isn't inspiring consumer confidence.  Its really
too bad, because Wellness was a pretty good food.

Phil
---MIKE--- - 22 Jun 2005 23:12 GMT
>>Who knows whose manufacturing
>> Wellness now or what's in it. They
>> could even be brokering the contract to
>> the lowest bidder. Quality control is
>> major problem with third party
>> manufacturing.

Phil, I thought you were above spreading false rumors.  Beverly at OMH
tells me that the Canada processing plant is controlled by OMH and they
are very careful to maintain their quality.  The new batches smell the
same and if Amber likes it, it must be fine.

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
equalizer - 25 Jun 2005 16:07 GMT
>> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats
>> Wellness Chicken.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Phil

Ivan's been on Hill's Liver & Chicken for 2 days now, and no sign of the
runs. If he goes through this case without developing them, I'll buy
some more Wellness Chicken and see if he gets the runs back.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:25 GMT
> Put down a smorgasbord of different brands and flavors and let
> her choose her favorite.  A good group of foods would be Wysong
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Feast Grilled Turkey in Gravy, Fancy Feast Minced Beef, Fancy
> Feast Grilled Beef.

Matthew, this is what I've done to convert to canned. Just a little
bit of many different flavors -- a sort of kitty buffet. You'll waste
some food at first, but you also discover her likes and dislikes. Be
aware, though, that even a flavor that she seems to like at first
will be rejected if you go out and buy a case of it.  ;)  

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biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 00:48 GMT
<Major Problem>
> Matthew

Do you really really believe she would starve herself?
Matthew - 22 Jun 2005 01:08 GMT
> <Major Problem>
> > Matthew
>
> Do you really really believe she would starve herself?

I only have two data points, so there may be some noise but she lost 13 oz.
in one week. Also, as of late she has not had food freely available so it's
not like she can race to the fridge for a midnight snack.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT
On Tue 21 Jun 2005 07:48:27p, biggerbadderbarry wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1119397707.212428.74540
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com):

> <Major Problem>
>> Matthew
>
> Do you really really believe she would starve herself?

Yes, they sure will. Bonnie, my dry food junkie, will pull her fur
out if she is stressed over the food being served. She's slowly
switching over to canned, and I'm putting out less and less dry,
but she's an example of how cats can get stressed over the simplest
of things. And refuse to eat it.

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Meghan Noecker - 24 Jun 2005 03:12 GMT
>On Tue 21 Jun 2005 07:48:27p, biggerbadderbarry wrote in
>rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1119397707.212428.74540
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>but she's an example of how cats can get stressed over the simplest
>of things. And refuse to eat it.

Jay Jay is a chow hound and will attack food bags (attacked the kitty
litter bag last night), but he will not eat the food on the bathroom
counter.

I have actually used that in my feeding plan for him because he gained
weight whe I got him. He was definitely not used to free feeding. I
also discovered that his favorite choice of kibble was giving him the
runs. But it is also Chase's favorite. So, I leave that one upstairs
on the counter, and he won't touch it. And I keep his kibble down in
my room, and I feed him smaller amounts at a time. He runs out during
the night and sits there patiently in the morning as my snooze alarm
goes off, waiting for me to put some in his bowl. And then it runs out
all day while I am at work and cannot be tempted to refill it.

He has lost over half a pound so far :)

For a hungry cat with physical access to food 24/7, he is stopped by s
simple unwilliness to jump on the counter. Even with two of his
favorite foods up there. And he wouldn't drink the water up there
either. I had to move it to the floor for him. Same with the bowl
downstairs. He just won't drink it if it is up on a counter.

Also, when I got Jenny, the rescued dog, she was outdoor only. So,
coming inside and facing linoleum was a hige challenge for her. She
was scared stiff, literally. Set her down in the kitchen, and her legs
would splay out stiffly, and she would tremble. People told me to just
leave the food in the kitchen, and she would get over it. But she
would have starved., She couldn't even cross a hallway to get to the
water bowl. She paced back and forth at the edge of the rug.

So rather than torture her, we moved the water bowl to the dining room
rug, and we fed her in the dining room for the first 4 months. Then we
slowly worked her into the kitchen, with the use of a small rug. The
bowl was on the rug, so her front feet could be on the rug, and he
view was of the rug. It was probably a full year before she became
comfortable in the kitchen and could eat without the rug, though we
still keep it in there. And there were still times where fear would
keep her from eating. Thunderstorms, fireworks, etc. Sometimes, I
think she heard stuff that we never knew about. I would just take her
found down the basement and she'd usually eat.

So, yes, some animals would  starve  rather than overcome certain
barriers.
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biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 00:55 GMT
<...>
> Matthew

Oh, hell, she'd eat an old rat if she had to.

But she knows you will come through.

I have the same exact problem

I swithed to Science Diet, he eats it like its going out of style.

I buy, 4-5 cans of best can food I can find...try to slip it in

He just won't eat it, and I feel bad when he doesn't eat.

He just goes over to it, smells it one time...gives me a sad sad look.
and goes off to suffer. They ain't suffering, he's just not hungry.
------------
I did same as you, exept for the kibble fondu! lol
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biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 02:02 GMT
> <...>
> > Matthew

> ------------

I replied above, before your post came to my reader.

I think we know the answer, but I myself keep giving in, so how could
I ever suggest that you hold out.

Ah! what about, puree' the dry food she loves, this would introduce the
texture...hehehe...I might be onto something, then cut the can food
into it, little a day.
Matthew - 22 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT
> > <...>
> > > Matthew
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> texture...hehehe...I might be onto something, then cut the can food
> into it, little a day.

I think this I what I will try next. I bought every canned variety the store
stocked and tried a couple this evening. She finally did eat the kibble, but
not the canned or any of the kibble even remotely close to the canned. So
far she has avoided the kibble mixed with "gravy" but I'm going to give her
a few more minutes.

Thanks all for your help. Here is a picture to put a face with a name:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/matthew_venhaus/detail?.dir=db43&.dnm=225b.jpg&.src=ph
or http://tinyurl.com/dj8ln.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT
> Thanks all for your help. Here is a picture to put a face with a
> name:
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/matthew_venhaus/detail?.dir=db43&.d
> nm=225b.jpg&.src=ph or http://tinyurl.com/dj8ln.

Oooo! I love black cats! She's very pretty and sleek.

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Meghan Noecker - 24 Jun 2005 02:59 GMT
>Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I
>tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't
>touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the
>kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping
>the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped
>kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions?

Jay Jay is the same way. He won't even sniff at it most of them.
Different brands, flavors, and textures. No deal. The other cats chow
on just about anything.

He's a bit weird though. There is dry food available 24/7, and then I
feed canned at night. The kibble is on the bathroom counter, and he
can get up there fine. On very rare occasions, I see him up there. But
he will not go up there on a daily basis. I had to give him a bowl
downstairs.

Meanwhile, he is a chow hound. He will attack te bags of food, so I
put them in a plastic container now. Which he also attacks. Even if
there is food in his bowl. He is obsessed with food (former stray),
but only in certain locations.

Last night, he attacked a bag of kitty litter! The litter was fine,
and the food was in his bowl. But it was a bag that looked like cat
food, sitting on the foor. So, he shredded it.

I do hope to find the magical flavor soon, but it would be nice if he
could tell me what it is. I'm very happy with his dry food (Royal
Canin Maine Coon), but I would like him to get some of the canned food
too.

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