Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005
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Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 15:07 GMT In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat, has made this transition without problem. My intention was to convert gradually, but when Jade came racing into the kitchen as soon as I opened the can I knew I wouldn't have any problems and she has been on moist food since.
Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions?
Matthew
PawsForThought - 21 Jun 2005 15:53 GMT > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I > tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't > touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the > kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping > the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped > kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions? Maybe Koshka just doesn't like the flavor of the canned food. If it's beef, then maybe you could try turkey instead. Also, you might try a different brand as well.
Good luck, Lauren
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT > > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I > > tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > beef, then maybe you could try turkey instead. Also, you might try a > different brand as well. Thanks for the suggestion. I saw in another post someone called Fancy Feast "kitty krack." Maybe that would do it.
Matthew
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 17:18 GMT > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two > feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Matthew I had to practice "tough love" in my attempts to convert Holly and Duffy (but especially Duffy) from dry food to canned food. However, it was worth it. I use Wellness, and their coats showed an almost-immediate improvement (again, especially for Duffy -- but I had just adopted him after he spent several months in a shelter, so Holly was in much better condition when I started). By "tough love," I mean that after going through the procedures you mentioned, I then put out canned food with no dry food. It almost made me cry because they simply would not eat and I felt like I was starving them. I left the food out for about an hour, then cleaned their bowls and did not replace the food until the next scheduled feeding. I really felt terrible depriving them of the food they wanted, but they started to eat on the second day. They didn't eat full portions at first, but that soon changed and they adjusted very quickly to scheduled meals (12-hour feeding schedule). They still really like dry food, so I now give them a small amount of Wellness dry food every 3 or 4 days as a "treat" -- but not on a daily basis because I don't want them to again begin demanding dry food.
MaryL
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT > > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two > > feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > amount of Wellness dry food every 3 or 4 days as a "treat" -- but not on a > daily basis because I don't want them to again begin demanding dry food. I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous? She was 13lbs when I started caring for her.
Matthew
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 19:45 GMT >> > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the > two [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > when I >> started). <snip>
> I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full > pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous? > She was 13lbs when I started caring for her. > > Matthew Yes, that would be *much* too rapid if the weight loss were to continue. However, I think you could afford to experiment with putting out only canned food for a day or two. You could also spoon a little tuna juice over the canned food to tempt Koshka. Incidentally, I assume Koshka is healthy and has been seen by a vet. That is very important. -- MaryL
Matthew - 21 Jun 2005 20:08 GMT > >> > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > canned food to tempt Koshka. Incidentally, I assume Koshka is healthy and > has been seen by a vet. That is very important. Indeed, Koshka received vaccinations and evaluation last month. The only concern the vet mentioned was her weight. She continues to be active and to my untrained eye continues to be healthy. Shiny coat, regular bowel movements, urination, no vomiting, etc. She did lose a whisker yesterday, I assumed it was similar to shedding but I'm not sure.
Another random question: is it advisable to give a cat an egg yolk? Due to my own diet, I throw several down the garbage disposal every morning, but perhaps this is another possible food option.
Thanks bunches!
MaryL - 21 Jun 2005 21:16 GMT >> >> > Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Thanks bunches! An occasional raw egg yolk would be fine, but do not use raw egg white (which a cat cannot digest). Of course, the same warnings about salmonella in raw eggs pertain to cats as to people.
MaryL
Phil P. - 21 Jun 2005 22:30 GMT > I'm a little bit afraid to do this because Koshka lost almost a full > pound last week. Do you think weight loss this quickly is dangerous? Yes. Any more than 1 pound/4 weeks could initiate a sequence of events that can cause serious liver problems.
> She was 13lbs when I started caring for her. ..especially if she is overweight or obese.
Phil
Phil P. - 21 Jun 2005 22:30 GMT > In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two > feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped > kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions? Put down a smorgasbord of different brands and flavors and let her choose her favorite. A good group of foods would be Wysong Chicken Gourmet, Wysong Liver Gourmet; PetGuard Turkey & Rice, PetGuard Rabbit, PetGuard Chicken & Wheat; Innova Lite; Nutro Beef & Egg Skillet; Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken in Gravy, Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey in Gravy, Fancy Feast Minced Beef, Fancy Feast Grilled Beef.
Best of luck,
Phil
equalizer - 21 Jun 2005 23:15 GMT >> In my first post to this group I shared my desire to convert the two >> feline friends I am caring for to canned food. Jade, the black cat, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Phil Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats Wellness Chicken. This new batch was giving tem all very soft stools. So, today I picked up Hill's Liver & Chicken Entree to try. How do you feel about this one?
---MIKE--- - 22 Jun 2005 00:21 GMT >>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness >> Chicken. This new batch was giving >> them all very soft stools. I have gone through two cases of the new batch and have not seen any difference in their stools.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') equalizer - 22 Jun 2005 00:42 GMT >>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness >>> Chicken. This new batch was giving >>> them all very soft stools. > >I have gone through two cases of the new batch and have not seen any >difference in their stools. Thanks
> ---MIKE--- >>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Jean B. - 22 Jun 2005 22:15 GMT >>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness >>>Chicken. This new batch was giving [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ---MIKE--- Happily, Mingy has not had a problem with Wellness either....
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equalizer - 23 Jun 2005 03:55 GMT >>>>I stopped feeding my cats Wellness >>>>Chicken. This new batch was giving [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Happily, Mingy has not had a problem with Wellness either.... Thanks
Phil P. - 22 Jun 2005 13:20 GMT > Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats > Wellness Chicken. Smart play. Who knows whose manufacturing Wellness now or what's in it. They could even be brokering the contract to the lowest bidder. Quality control is major problem with third party manufacturing.
This new batch was giving tem all very soft stools.
> So, today I picked up Hill's Liver & Chicken Entree to try. How do you > feel about this one? Liver & Chicken Entree isn't my favorite but its on my acceptible foods list. What happened with the Turkey?
Phil
equalizer - 22 Jun 2005 14:14 GMT >> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats >> Wellness Chicken. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Phil They didn't have it this time, so I bought the Liver & Chicken. They didn't think is was so great, but they ate it. Floppy as usual required a sample to be put in a seperate dish, carefully warmed up to the right temperature, and placed on top of the kitchen table before he would eat it, but he did.
As a caveat, Mike in NH has reported no change in his cat's stools on the Wellness Chicken.
Phil P. - 22 Jun 2005 15:22 GMT > >> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats > >> Wellness Chicken. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > put in a seperate dish, carefully warmed up to the right temperature, and placed > on top of the kitchen table before he would eat it, but he did. What a character! ;-)
> As a caveat, Mike in NH has reported no change in his cat's stools on the > Wellness Chicken. Some cats are less sensitive to changes in the diet than others.
I'd really like to find out the whole story about what's going on with Wellness. Their vagueness isn't inspiring consumer confidence. Its really too bad, because Wellness was a pretty good food.
Phil
---MIKE--- - 22 Jun 2005 23:12 GMT >>Who knows whose manufacturing >> Wellness now or what's in it. They >> could even be brokering the contract to >> the lowest bidder. Quality control is >> major problem with third party >> manufacturing. Phil, I thought you were above spreading false rumors. Beverly at OMH tells me that the Canada processing plant is controlled by OMH and they are very careful to maintain their quality. The new batches smell the same and if Amber likes it, it must be fine.
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>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') equalizer - 25 Jun 2005 16:07 GMT >> Phil -- sorry to hijack the thread. But, I stopped feeding my cats >> Wellness Chicken. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Phil Ivan's been on Hill's Liver & Chicken for 2 days now, and no sign of the runs. If he goes through this case without developing them, I'll buy some more Wellness Chicken and see if he gets the runs back.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:25 GMT > Put down a smorgasbord of different brands and flavors and let > her choose her favorite. A good group of foods would be Wysong [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Feast Grilled Turkey in Gravy, Fancy Feast Minced Beef, Fancy > Feast Grilled Beef. Matthew, this is what I've done to convert to canned. Just a little bit of many different flavors -- a sort of kitty buffet. You'll waste some food at first, but you also discover her likes and dislikes. Be aware, though, that even a flavor that she seems to like at first will be rejected if you go out and buy a case of it. ;)
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biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 00:48 GMT <Major Problem>
> Matthew Do you really really believe she would starve herself?
Matthew - 22 Jun 2005 01:08 GMT > <Major Problem> > > Matthew > > Do you really really believe she would starve herself? I only have two data points, so there may be some noise but she lost 13 oz. in one week. Also, as of late she has not had food freely available so it's not like she can race to the fridge for a midnight snack.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT On Tue 21 Jun 2005 07:48:27p, biggerbadderbarry wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1119397707.212428.74540 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com):
> <Major Problem> >> Matthew > > Do you really really believe she would starve herself? Yes, they sure will. Bonnie, my dry food junkie, will pull her fur out if she is stressed over the food being served. She's slowly switching over to canned, and I'm putting out less and less dry, but she's an example of how cats can get stressed over the simplest of things. And refuse to eat it.
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Meghan Noecker - 24 Jun 2005 03:12 GMT >On Tue 21 Jun 2005 07:48:27p, biggerbadderbarry wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1119397707.212428.74540 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >but she's an example of how cats can get stressed over the simplest >of things. And refuse to eat it. Jay Jay is a chow hound and will attack food bags (attacked the kitty litter bag last night), but he will not eat the food on the bathroom counter.
I have actually used that in my feeding plan for him because he gained weight whe I got him. He was definitely not used to free feeding. I also discovered that his favorite choice of kibble was giving him the runs. But it is also Chase's favorite. So, I leave that one upstairs on the counter, and he won't touch it. And I keep his kibble down in my room, and I feed him smaller amounts at a time. He runs out during the night and sits there patiently in the morning as my snooze alarm goes off, waiting for me to put some in his bowl. And then it runs out all day while I am at work and cannot be tempted to refill it.
He has lost over half a pound so far :)
For a hungry cat with physical access to food 24/7, he is stopped by s simple unwilliness to jump on the counter. Even with two of his favorite foods up there. And he wouldn't drink the water up there either. I had to move it to the floor for him. Same with the bowl downstairs. He just won't drink it if it is up on a counter.
Also, when I got Jenny, the rescued dog, she was outdoor only. So, coming inside and facing linoleum was a hige challenge for her. She was scared stiff, literally. Set her down in the kitchen, and her legs would splay out stiffly, and she would tremble. People told me to just leave the food in the kitchen, and she would get over it. But she would have starved., She couldn't even cross a hallway to get to the water bowl. She paced back and forth at the edge of the rug.
So rather than torture her, we moved the water bowl to the dining room rug, and we fed her in the dining room for the first 4 months. Then we slowly worked her into the kitchen, with the use of a small rug. The bowl was on the rug, so her front feet could be on the rug, and he view was of the rug. It was probably a full year before she became comfortable in the kitchen and could eat without the rug, though we still keep it in there. And there were still times where fear would keep her from eating. Thunderstorms, fireworks, etc. Sometimes, I think she heard stuff that we never knew about. I would just take her found down the basement and she'd usually eat.
So, yes, some animals would starve rather than overcome certain barriers.
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biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 00:55 GMT <...>
> Matthew Oh, hell, she'd eat an old rat if she had to.
But she knows you will come through.
I have the same exact problem
I swithed to Science Diet, he eats it like its going out of style.
I buy, 4-5 cans of best can food I can find...try to slip it in
He just won't eat it, and I feel bad when he doesn't eat.
He just goes over to it, smells it one time...gives me a sad sad look. and goes off to suffer. They ain't suffering, he's just not hungry. ------------ I did same as you, exept for the kibble fondu! lol ------------
biggerbadderbarry - 22 Jun 2005 02:02 GMT > <...> > > Matthew
> ------------ I replied above, before your post came to my reader.
I think we know the answer, but I myself keep giving in, so how could I ever suggest that you hold out.
Ah! what about, puree' the dry food she loves, this would introduce the texture...hehehe...I might be onto something, then cut the can food into it, little a day.
Matthew - 22 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT > > <...> > > > Matthew [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > texture...hehehe...I might be onto something, then cut the can food > into it, little a day. I think this I what I will try next. I bought every canned variety the store stocked and tried a couple this evening. She finally did eat the kibble, but not the canned or any of the kibble even remotely close to the canned. So far she has avoided the kibble mixed with "gravy" but I'm going to give her a few more minutes.
Thanks all for your help. Here is a picture to put a face with a name: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/matthew_venhaus/detail?.dir=db43&.dnm=225b.jpg&.src=ph or http://tinyurl.com/dj8ln.
Cheryl - 23 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT > Thanks all for your help. Here is a picture to put a face with a > name: > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/matthew_venhaus/detail?.dir=db43&.d > nm=225b.jpg&.src=ph or http://tinyurl.com/dj8ln. Oooo! I love black cats! She's very pretty and sleek.
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Meghan Noecker - 24 Jun 2005 02:59 GMT >Koshka, the Russian Blue, absolutely refuses canned food. First I >tried mixing a small amount of moist into her kibble and she didn't >touch it at all. Next I tried serving a small amount alongside the >kibble and she still refused everything. My last attempt was dipping >the kibble into the moist, removing and then serving just the dipped >kibble. She still refused it. Anybody have any other suggestions? Jay Jay is the same way. He won't even sniff at it most of them. Different brands, flavors, and textures. No deal. The other cats chow on just about anything.
He's a bit weird though. There is dry food available 24/7, and then I feed canned at night. The kibble is on the bathroom counter, and he can get up there fine. On very rare occasions, I see him up there. But he will not go up there on a daily basis. I had to give him a bowl downstairs.
Meanwhile, he is a chow hound. He will attack te bags of food, so I put them in a plastic container now. Which he also attacks. Even if there is food in his bowl. He is obsessed with food (former stray), but only in certain locations.
Last night, he attacked a bag of kitty litter! The litter was fine, and the food was in his bowl. But it was a bag that looked like cat food, sitting on the foor. So, he shredded it.
I do hope to find the magical flavor soon, but it would be nice if he could tell me what it is. I'm very happy with his dry food (Royal Canin Maine Coon), but I would like him to get some of the canned food too.
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