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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Behavior help......not me the kitten
Sorry about the length of this posting but I can't seem to make it any shorter and give all the information of what I tried and so on. I'm at my wits end on this one my kitten is four months old, I realize this is sort of early for training but he does come when I call him. I have been using a different brand of kitten food that I got from a sample from the vet for treats to aid in training rather than treats which a lot of people frown upon my point in this is that he is trainable. The hissing from a can of compressed air has kept him from scratching on the furniture and he is using his scratching posts exclusively now. He seems to understand no pretty good. He gets the run of the house except for the kitchen cupboards which is where my problem lies I am losing that battle big time. He will run off the cupboards from the compressed air and a loud no but comes right back and tries to get back up I have a small baking pan that I throw on the floor and that also scares him to run but comes right back again. I have resorted to an assortment of cereal boxes and assorted things to block his entry but obviously I can't continue with that and he still jumps up and knocks the boxes over. I haven't tried squirting as I have heard some people frowning on that method. I just finished loading a can of coins to try scaring him with that but I have little faith it will work. Does anyone have any other ideas that I can try its not only sanitary reasons that I want him off the cupboards but I have one of those flat surface stoves and I am afraid that some day he will walk on a hot surface and burn his feet even though I would obviously try to avoid that from happening. Someone mentioned something about packaging tape but someone else said it was mean and didn't recommend it, well mean would be burned feet in my eyes and if this packaging tape thing worked I don't see how it can that bad. The thread didn't say how to use the packaging tape so if anyone knows that method I would like to consider it along with any other ideas. Thanks in advance for any help. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Someone mentioned something about packaging tape but someone else said > it was mean and didn't recommend it, well mean would be burned feet in > my eyes and if this packaging tape thing worked I don't see how it can > that bad. The thread didn't say how to use the packaging tape so if > anyone knows that method I would like to consider it along with any > other ideas. Thanks in advance for any help. Try putting sheets of aluminum foil on surfaces you want the cat to avoid. I trained a cat off my couch that way. The foil feels weird to their feet. >> Someone mentioned something about packaging tape but someone else said >> it was mean and didn't recommend it, well mean would be burned feet in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >avoid. I trained a cat off my couch that way. The foil feels weird to >their feet. Rebecca should I fold it over the side so that it also causes him to fall if it slips off? I'm going to try the foil it sounds good. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> Try putting sheets of aluminum foil on surfaces you want the cat to >> avoid. I trained a cat off my couch that way. The foil feels weird to >> their feet. > > Rebecca should I fold it over the side so that it also causes him to > fall if it slips off? I'm going to try the foil it sounds good. No, the goal isn't to make him slip off. You just want him to hear and feel the crunch of the foil. For some reason, many cats just don't like the surface.Don't make it really tightly smooth, or it'll just feel like the surface to an appliance, and that doesn't deter as well. > Try putting sheets of aluminum foil on surfaces you want the cat to > avoid. I trained a cat off my couch that way. The foil feels weird to > their feet. But they love how foil reflects their body heat and warms their tummies! LOL! http://www.maxshouse.com/Ours/jade_in_space.JPG http://www.maxshouse.com/Ours/jade_in_space2.JPG > > Someone mentioned something about packaging tape but someone else said > > it was mean and didn't recommend it, well mean would be burned feet in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > avoid. I trained a cat off my couch that way. The foil feels weird to > their feet. The cats I am caring for LOVE foil. Especially rolled into little balls. Foil soccer, yeah! > He gets the run of the house except for the kitchen cupboards which is > where my problem lies I am losing that battle big time. He will run > off the cupboards from the compressed air and a loud no but comes > right back and tries to get back up I have a small baking pan that I > throw on the floor and that also scares him to run but comes right > back again. Scraminal (or similar). S. 1. Get your kitten a *very* tall cat tree that he can climb and play on and position it in front of a window. If he has something of his own that is up high, he'll be less likely to bother with the cupboards. Pics of a couple of good cat trees here: http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/scratch 2. Keep pots on the stove even when not in use. I have a gas stove and always have something sitting on the burners because I don't want my cats *ever* jumping on the stove. My method has been very effective. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray You gas stove has pilot lights? Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. That's a pretty old stove, Meghan! > 1. Get your kitten a *very* tall cat tree that he can climb and play on > and position it in front of a window. If he has something of his own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Megan > You gas stove has pilot lights? Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. That's > a pretty old stove, Meghan! Millions of people use natural gas...I just looked it up.. 61,857,913 - Residential users in America. (this is gross), maybe heat, maybe hot water, but definetely for cooking. click click click whooom! it's on. >> You gas stove has pilot lights? Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. >> That's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it's on. >\ Good morning. The point was "pilotless ignition" (electric arc) has been a mainstream feature of gas stoves for quite a while. With pilotless, the stovetop is a danger to kitties walking on the stove and there is not carbon monoxide generation when the stove is not in use. >>> You gas stove has pilot lights? Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. >>> That's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > stovetop is a danger to kitties walking on the stove and there is not > carbon monoxide generation when the stove is not in use. Proof read error: "With pilotless, the stovetop is *no* danger.... " Need coffee. ;^) > >>> You gas stove has pilot lights? Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. > >>> That's [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Need coffee. ;^) There's not enough coffee in the world. >Proof read error: "With pilotless, the stovetop is *no* danger.... " > >Need coffee. ;^) I brought up the danger and I noted I had one of the newer style electric stoves with the flat top and no burners the entire surface gets hot and stays hot for quite a bit after the electricity is turned off....... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >>Proof read error: "With pilotless, the stovetop is *no* danger.... " >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >gets hot and stays hot for quite a bit after the electricity is turned >off....... There are certain things that I want off limits 100% of the time. The stove is one of them. a burner can still be hot after it has been turned off. I prefer them to think they can never go there. Same thing with the dryer. When I was 4 years old, my mom's cat liked to sleep on warm clothes. My mom did not see him in the dryer, tossed in some more clothes and turned it on. I don't remember much from that age, but I remember the crying, and I grew up with the rules that the door stays shut, cats are not allowed near it, and if you put shoes in the dryer, you must announce it to everybody in the house. It still bothers my mom to hear the thumping noise of shoes in the dryer. So, when a cat approaches the dryer, even to take a sniff, I do react with a threatening movement to make the dryer a fearsome object. I never want them to consider that a good thing. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>>Proof read error: "With pilotless, the stovetop is *no* danger.... " >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >with a threatening movement to make the dryer a fearsome object. I >never want them to consider that a good thing. Thats the exact reason I am being so adament about the cupboards but this is one area that I am having one hell of a time with but I won't give up he can have the run of the house but not the cupboards so he doesn't get near the stove...... I never thought about the dryer but I can sure see how it could happen, my kitten at first was adamant about jumping onto the bottom shelf of the fridge when I opened the door I had to block or yank him out every single time I opened the door until one day when I turned to look where he was he had already snuck into the fridge and way to the back of the bottom shelf I closed the door and a few minutes later I could hear him crying but couldn't find him until sure enough he was in the fridge......that was the last time he bothered me with the fridge I'm just glad I didn't close it and leave to go somewhere..... With the temp of the fridge I am not sure how dangerous this was he is a siberian which used to live in the frigid temps of Siberia but still a young kitten right now..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > I never thought about the dryer but I can sure see how it could > happen, my kitten at first was adamant about jumping onto the bottom [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in the fridge......that was the last time he bothered me with the > fridge I'm just glad I didn't close it and leave to go somewhere..... There have been two recent stories about small children who died in appliances, one (age 3) in a dryer and another (age 5) in a washing machine. > With the temp of the fridge I am not sure how dangerous this was he is > a siberian which used to live in the frigid temps of Siberia but still > a young kitten right now..... It's the lack of air that's dangerous. Be vigilant. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >> I never thought about the dryer but I can sure see how it could >> happen, my kitten at first was adamant about jumping onto the bottom [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Be vigilant. Yes I realized that also wondering how long a small animal would be able to breath anyway hes a pretty quiet cat I'm glad he started making some noise this time...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >You gas stove has pilot lights? Yes, and the surface above the pilot lights gets very hot. >Otherwise there is no heat when OFF. Yes there is, as I described above, and the burners will remain hot for awhile after cooking. The bottom line is, I do not want my cats on the stove at ANY time and will not give them opportunity to think being on the stove is ok. EVER. One of my cats, Chloe, lost her home because of this. She had been abused by someone who thought it would be fun to pour gasoline on her and set her on fire. She was brought into animal control, where she was going to be euthanized because she was in poor shape and was also so traumatized she refused to use a litterbox. I saw her, advocated for her with the supervisor who gave her a conditional reprieve, and I subsequently arranged an adoption for her. I worked with her adopter extensively to retrain her to use the litterbox and all was well for awhile. Then one day she jumped on the stove, which had just been used, and was burned again. This set her off and she again refused to use the litterbox. The adopter was moving and her new roommate would not agree to allow her to bring Choe, so, as I had promised to the supervisor at A/C and the adopter from the outset if it didn't work out, I took her and give her a home for life. All this could have been avoided if her original adopter had taken care to make sure she didn't jump on the stove. >That's a pretty old stove, Meghan! So? (And my name is not Meghan.) Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >1. Get your kitten a *very* tall cat tree that he can climb and play on >and position it in front of a window. If he has something of his own >that is up high, he'll be less likely to bother with the cupboards. Pics >of a couple of good cat trees here: >http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/scratch I have two one about three feet higher than the cupboards placed so he can see 360 degrees around him and one about the same height as the cupboards placed by the patio doors, the pots and pans on the stove is a great idea thanks. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" <How to make cat jittery> I will be in prayer for you muh hoo hahahah I hope he sh.ts your cabinets full > <How to make cat jittery> Just kidding! Just out persist him, for as many times as he goes up there just bring him down. At some point the cat is going to give up. I could see this going on for maybe 2-3 days tops. Then yure done. ><How to make cat jittery> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I hope he sh.ts your cabinets full ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aaaaahhh!!! Christianity in action -- it always just warms me to hear it. All the Bible Thumper types can now run with the above line about warming and say something about Hell. > Someone mentioned something about packaging tape but someone else said > it was mean and didn't recommend it, well mean would be burned feet in > my eyes and if this packaging tape thing worked I don't see how it can > that bad. The thread didn't say how to use the packaging tape so if > anyone knows that method I would like to consider it along with any > other ideas. Thanks in advance for any help. Buy a few running yards of clear plastic carpet runner. Turn the runner upside down with the nubs facing up. Cut the runner into the shape and size of the area you want the cat to stay off of and place it there- upside down. Just make sure the nubs aren't too sharp- it they are, slide the runner over a sidewalk or concrete floor to dull them a little so they don't puncture skin. |
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