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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Indoor cats and declawing
With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. It sounds barbaric to me, to pull the claws out of a cat, it would be like having your fingernails pulled out! > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. > Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. It sounds barbaric to me, to pull > the claws out of a cat, it would be like having your > fingernails pulled out! Having your fingernails pulled out tickles compared to declawing. A cat's claw is not a nail as is a human fingernail, its part of the last bone (distal phalanx) in the cat's toe. Declawing involves 10, separate amputations of entire distal phalanx is the at the joint. http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm Then it is disgusting that this is allowed. Why are the vets allowed to do this? > Then it is disgusting that this is allowed. Why are the vets allowed > to do this? Because pretentious politicians with their ostentatious furniture and carpeting support declawing, and the vets that declaw support them. > Then it is disgusting that this is allowed. Why are the vets > allowed to do this? Too much money at stake. For some reason, a lot of people here think declawing is okay. I suspect a lot of them have absolutely no idea what they're doing to the cat.  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Then it is disgusting that this is allowed. Why are the vets > > allowed to do this? > > Too much money at stake. For some reason, a lot of people here think > declawing is okay. I suspect a lot of them have absolutely no idea > what they're doing to the cat. Then please let them read that link that Phil gave, nobody who had an ounce of decency, would put their cat through that. > -- > monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Then please let them read that link that Phil gave, nobody who had > an ounce of decency, would put their cat through that. There will still be people that justify it simply because their vet is more than willing to do it. You know... if the vet says ok, it can't be that bad. L. Agree. But we already know that there are many more people with zero decency than those with some decency. It's a no-win situation. Just leave it be. Concentrate your efforts on something else. As long as cats are forced to stay indoors like most here advocate, declawing will continue. You can say whatever you want, but there is a strong correlation between keeping cats indoor and declawing. > Then please let them read that link that Phil gave, nobody who had > an ounce of decency, would put their cat through that. > Agree. But we already know that there are many more people with zero > decency than those with some decency. It's a no-win situation. Just > leave it be. Concentrate your efforts on something else. As long as > cats are forced to stay indoors like most here advocate, declawing > will continue. You can say whatever you want, but there is a strong > correlation between keeping cats indoor and declawing. Plenty of people keep their cat indoors and don't declaw. Me, for example. There are foxes, coyotes, and mountain lions, just to name a few, within only a few miles of my house, and certainly closer at night. Nevermind the human dangers. It would be irresponsible of me to let Oscar roam the streets. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Then it is disgusting that this is allowed. Why are the vets allowed > to do this? Because they are greedy bastards who give in to emotional blackmail from people who say they'll get rid of the cat if it isn't declawed. Unfortunately, declawing does not save a cat his home. All a person has to do is look at the cats at their local shelter to see how many declawed cats are dumped by the owner once it exhibits declaw related behaviors such as peeing outside the litterbox (due to pain in the cat's paws), and biting and/or aggression. Lauren chrisoakey@msn.com wrote: > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing > until I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, > in the UK. Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. Hopefully you at least have them fixed and vaccinated. > It sounds barbaric to me, to pull the claws out of a cat, it > would be like having your fingernails pulled out! More like having your fingers pulled off. I am not a bleeding heart, my opinion comes from learning about the creatures. With enough observation, you can see that cats use their claws like we use our fingers. Cats need claws for many things. ... hunting ... self defense -- climbing ... exercise -- climbing ... play They exercise their whole upper body with the help of their claws. Also, clipping an aggressor's claws can help manage multiple cats. If they don't have claws, they can still bite. Good luck. > > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing > > until I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Also, clipping an aggressor's claws can help manage multiple cats. > If they don't have claws, they can still bite. Then what would the torturer do, pull their teeth out????? I just read that link that Phil gave to declawing, and it made me feel physically sick just reading it. It is just plain cruelty. Cant something be done to stop it? > Good luck. > > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing > > until I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, > > in the UK. Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. > > Hopefully you at least have them fixed and vaccinated. But of course! Vaccinated yearly and fixed only once!! > > It sounds barbaric to me, to pull the claws out of a cat, it > > would be like having your fingernails pulled out! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Good luck. I too had never heard of it in the UK. Although the scratched furniture is a pain, if you get a cat you should expect it and of course there are things you can do to minimise it. Mine goes out in the garden for a sunbathe and a little wander, doesn't climb over the fences (he was an indoor cat til he was 14 and I moved to a house) - then comes back in for a scratch and a pee! I think it's obscene some of the things people do to animals for their own amusement/convenience. > I too had never heard of it in the UK. Although the scratched > furniture is a pain, if you get a cat you should expect it and of > course there are things you can do to minimise it. I have nice furniture and fully clawed cats. I trained my cats and provide them with appropriate places to scratch such as a nice tall cat tree, scratching posts and scratching pads. Mine goes out in > the garden for a sunbathe and a little wander, doesn't climb over the > fences (he was an indoor cat til he was 14 and I moved to a house) - > then comes back in for a scratch and a pee! I think it's obscene some > of the things people do to animals for their own amusement/convenience. Pretty sick, isn't it? :( Lauren > > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing > > until I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, > > in the UK. Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. > > Hopefully you at least have them fixed and vaccinated. I just want to point out that when Chris says "we rarely keep out cats inside " she or he means that in the UK, cats are generally kept inside but have outdoor access, they're not usually kept outside all the time. Good points about vax and spaying , also microchipping, worming , deflea , and an inside litter tray are necessities too. Most people do some or all of those , though sadly there are always some people who don't bother :( Alison > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. > Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. It sounds barbaric to me, to pull > the claws out of a cat, it would be like having your > fingernails pulled out! According to this link in the UK, declawing cats has been illegal for a while. >http://paw.purrfection.net/index.php?ukopinion > > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > According to this link in the UK, declawing cats has been illegal for a > while. Yes, along with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Brazil, Australia and New Zealand, and it says, that this is just a partial list so why is is still happening at your end? Who is responsible?? > >http://paw.purrfection.net/index.php?ukopinion >> > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until >> > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Australia and New Zealand, and it says, that this is just a partial > list so why is is still happening at your end? Who is responsible?? The pet owner is responsible. The death of common sense is born out by the proliferation of pervasive ad-hoc legislation governing every move you make. In our case (the US), the government has bigger and more important issues while the collective cat consciousness figures out the "value" of declawing on their own. > >> > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > >> > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > while the collective cat consciousness figures out the "value" of declawing > on their own. I agree to a point, I think there are many decisons that are taken away from people when it should be left to them to make them, when it concerns themselves, but when they harm a defenceless creature that cant stand up for itself, then its time for someone else to step in. >>>>> With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing >>>>> until [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > concerns themselves, but when they harm a defenceless creature that cant > stand up for itself, then its time for someone else to step in. Over the years I've seen plenty of evidence of what happens when people appoint themselves spokesholes for those who cannot speak. Witness PETA and numerous environmental whackos. Matter of fact, who is to say the voiceless would choose those people as their representatives! The voiceless can't vote or fire these people! It is Biblical that we care for the creatures in our charge in a humane manner. But I'm sure I'll hear shortly from the anti Judeo / Christian values crowd on that point. > Yes, along with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Germany, Austria, > Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Brazil, > Australia and New Zealand, Actually, it's not illegal in New Zealand, sadly, but it is pretty much unheard of. > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. > Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. It sounds barbaric to me, to pull > the claws out of a cat, it would be like having your > fingernails pulled out! It is worse than that. They saw off the first phalanx. > With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until > I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. > Also, we rarely keep our cats inside. It sounds barbaric to me, to pull > the claws out of a cat, it would be like having your > fingernails pulled out! Imagine how those of us who foster in the States feel. Tons of love and time put into the lives of cats and kittens, and when it's time for them to go up for adoption, we have no say over who they go home with. All this talk about declawing is ridiculous. There is no need for it. I had some arm-length leather Gucci gloves made up. Sweetums just loves them.. She minces about the house on her hind legs, "modeling" the gloves..Meowing and feeling very elegant. Only drawback was I had to get her a (fake) mink bed. And a tiara. Seriously, though...everytime this declawing argument comes back (and there is no argument - it's wrong)..It starts me surfing again, visiting the sites of horrors... People should be given a fact sheet about this sort of thing, before they agree to have this done. >> With the risk of starting a war, I had not heard of declawing until >> I came on this site, we do not do this, as far as I know, in the UK. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >put into the lives of cats and kittens, and when it's time for them to go up >for adoption, we have no say over who they go home with. |
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