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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Poor Conan
I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something like the Rainbow Bridge or that cats have an afterlife, too, so that Conan finally feels love and happiness now after an earthly life of being dumped and put in shelters repeatedly. It's such a sad, sad story. Candace > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something > like the Rainbow Bridge or that cats have an afterlife, too, so that > Conan finally feels love and happiness now after an earthly life of > being dumped and put in shelters repeatedly. It's such a sad, sad > story. Saddest thing that has ever happened here. I feel sick. > > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Saddest thing that has ever happened here. I feel sick. It *is* sad. It's watching a cat get killed and not being able to do anything about it. I don't understand the bullshit innuendos about Conan having "more than a URI" or something. The poor cat probably just had herpes or something that was triggered active by all the stress. I hate people sometimes. Sherry > > Saddest thing that has ever happened here. I feel sick. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry If he is still alive, maybe we can all send him prayers, healing thoughts, positive energy, whatever we believe that is good, and hope that he truly does get veterinary care, a good foster home, and ultimately a forever home that he certainly deserves after all he has been through. At best, he is back in a cage now, feeling sick, and confused that the home he was getting used to is gone. It's f.cking awful. Candace > > > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > > > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > had herpes or something that was triggered active by all the stress. > I hate people sometimes. He obviously has no tolerance, respect or compassion for cats- especially sick cats. So, I think treatment failed because his lack of compassion and gentleness probably added to the cat's stress and exacerbated the disease. Phil > > > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > > > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sherry Thank God all people aren't like that. We had a horrible time with URIs with the really early litters of kittens this year. If their adoptive people had been like this we'd have them all back by now. I just saw one girl at the vet last weekend with one of my former fosters. The poor baby had her eye infection flare back up from the stress of moving to her new home. I don't see her new mommy resenting having to vet her and from what I heard the love the little kitty is giving back is more than making up for the vet visits. > Thank God all people aren't like that. We had a horrible time with > URIs with the really early litters of kittens this year. If their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > having to vet her and from what I heard the love the little kitty is > giving back is more than making up for the vet visits. Thank God not all cats deteriorate so dramatically starting the second day home or ... you *would* be getting cats back for exchanges. The new kitten is quite ball of energy. He's already relieved himself in the litter box, eaten well, and is checking out the back alleys of every appliance and piece of furniture in one end of the house. This one does chortle and roll his rr's. Funny. Quite a vocabulary too. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/Kitten1.jpg > > Thank God all people aren't like that. We had a horrible time with > > URIs with the really early litters of kittens this year. If their [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The new kitten is quite ball of energy. Why did you adopt a kitten when you have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel? You'll probably be dead before the cat is neutered. "Euthanasia candidates" like you should adopt older, senior cats that might not outlive you- or didn't you think about anything but your own decrepit self? > > Thank God all people aren't like that. We had a horrible time with > > URIs with the really early litters of kittens this year. If their [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/Kitten1.jpg I don't know about anybody else, but I *DON'T* want to hear about this kitten and I'm *NOT* going to look at pictures because I don't want to have that picture in my mind when he gets sick and this a.shole take him in to be killed because he can't be bothered with a sick cat! > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something > like the Rainbow Bridge or that cats have an afterlife, too, so that > Conan finally feels love and happiness now after an earthly life of > being dumped and put in shelters repeatedly. It's such a sad, sad > story. Just this side of the Rainbow Bridge, there is a land of meadows, hills and valleys with lush green grass. When a beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place... But some of them here by the Bridge are different. They were beaten, starved, tortured, and unloved. They watch wistfully as their friends leave one by one, to cross the Bridge with their special person. But for them there is no special one. Their time on Earth did not give them one. But one day, as they run and play, they notice someone standing by the road to the Bridge. They see a person wistfully watching the reunions of friends, for during life, this person had no pet. This person, too, was unloved. Standing there alone, one of the unloved pets approaches, curious as to why this person is also alone. And as the unloved pet and the unloved person get nearer to each other, a miracle occurs, for these are the ones who were meant to be together; the special person and the beloved pet who never had the chance to meet while on Earth. Finally, now, at the edge of the Rainbow Bridge, they meet, their pain and sorrow disappear, and two friends come together. They cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be separated. * * * * * * * * * The little dog arrived at the Rainbow Bridge, and a pack of dogs rushed up to greet him. He braced himself, expecting a fight, but this was the first pack that wagged their tails and kissed him instead of attacking him. It was beautiful here, and everyone was nice to him. None of them had been born in a puppy mill, like he had, and used for dog-bait fighting and left to die in a shelter because he was a mix-breed battle-scarred cur and wasn't cute. They explained why they were waiting...for their humans who loved them. "What is love?" he asked, and God let him go back to earth, and find out. Warm, and dark, he squeezed in with the others and waited for the day to be born. Scared, he held back as long as he could, but finally got dragged out, by his hind feet. Hands without fur held him gently and rubbed him dry and opened his mouth and guided him to a warm nipple with milk He didn't get a good hold on it, because one of his big fat brothers pushed him aside. The human hand moved the other puppy to another nipple and held his body, so he could drink. "Ahhh, that's better," he thought, and drank until his jaws got tired and he curled up to sleep next to his warm hairy mother. "I remember this," he mused..."Too bad I'll have to grow up to be hit, left out in the cold and rain, and used for dog-bait fighting, and die as an unclaimed rescue dog. I remember what it's like, being a dog." he thought sadly. That night, he crawled up to his mother and tried to nurse, but he kept getting pushed off to the side. When they were full, the big brothers and sisters got their bottoms cleaned and he finally latched on to a nipple, but the human hands weren't there to hold him up, and there wasn't any milk in any of the nipples, anyway. He was weak and so tiny. It was even hard to stay upright, and he fell over on his back and couldn't right himself. So he began to cry, and suddenly the human hands were there, holding him up and puting a rubber thing in his mouth. It didn't taste or feel like mother, but it was warm and made the ache in his tummy go away. He was having trouble breathing...His lungs weren't fully developed, because he had waited too long to join the others in the womb, as he took one last romp at the Rainbow Bridge. He could feel the heartbeat of the human, who had laid him on her chest and covered him with a soft cloth, keeping him warm, and soothing his boney body with gentle circling touches. He kept thinking of his new friends who had been so nice to him at the Bridge and asked God if he could go back. God said "Yes, but not just yet. You wanted to experience Love." So for several hours (seemed like days but it was dark and he couldn't tell what time it was), the human supplemented his feeding and let him experience the warmth of his mother's body and tongue, and the pile of warm soft littermates. He got weaker, and the human held him more often, leaving the littermates to sleep in a pile while he got carressed, kissed, and got to listen to the heartbeat which was strong and loving. Finally God came back and asked, "Are you ready to come back to the Rainbow Bridge? "Yes," he responded, with a little sorrow, because the human didn't want to let him go, and was crying. He pushed the air out of his lungs and floated back to the Rainbow Bridge and looked back at the human, who was still crying and holding the limp body that he had borrowed for his trip. "Thank you, God," he said. "Love is beautiful, and I will wait near the Bridge and let the human know, when she arrives, that I loved her, too." --Joy LaCaille > > I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > * * * * * * * * * Thanks, Nick. It is really hard to think about Conan. > The little dog arrived at the Rainbow Bridge, and a pack of dogs rushed > up to greet him. He braced himself, expecting a fight, but this was the [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Bridge and let the human know, when she arrives, that I loved her, too." > --Joy LaCaille > Standing there alone, one of the unloved pets approaches, curious as to > why this person is also alone. And as the unloved pet and the unloved [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > They cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be separated. I never heard either one of those. Waaaaah, now I'm sobbing. Life just plain sucks for most animals and they're so much better and purer than we are. I really hope the Rainbow Bridge or something very similar exists; otherwise, what's the point? Candace > > Standing there alone, one of the unloved pets approaches, curious as to > > why this person is also alone. And as the unloved pet and the unloved [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > than we are. I really hope the Rainbow Bridge or something very > similar exists; otherwise, what's the point? I can't sleep thinking about beautiful Conan, his red nose and russet stripes. I would take him if I could. >>>Standing there alone, one of the unloved pets approaches, curious as to >>>why this person is also alone. And as the unloved pet and the unloved [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I can't sleep thinking about beautiful Conan, his red nose > and russet stripes. I would take him if I could. I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is just f*ed up big time. My sleep patterns are all weird. On top if it all, i have walking pneumonia and tonsilitis. Im a real ball of fun! The flurry of posts was fun...where'd everyone go? ;) > I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. > Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is > just f*ed up big time. My sleep patterns are all weird. On top if it > all, i have walking pneumonia and tonsilitis. Im a real ball of fun! The > flurry of posts was fun...where'd everyone go? ;) Beddy-bye, no doubt. It seems like the majority of posters are in the eastern or midwestern US. Kinda late back there. Snuggle a kitty and send good thoughts to all those less fortunate... Candace >>I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. >>Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Candace Yeah, i may just have to wake jasper from his slumber and bring him to bed. If i dont, he'll wake up all confused and yowl until he finds us anyway. :) Here's to Conan, Lex, and all the other kitties of the world. xoxox, pam > I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. > Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is > just f*ed up big time. That has to be weird. (I thought of you last week when I had a scare-- it turned out to be okay. Had the whole big checkup thing, thought and one thing looked suspicious.) Make sure they put you on one of the synthetic thryoid preparations, or be very careful about storing your medication. Animal thyroid goes bad easily. My sleep patterns are all weird. On top if it > all, i have walking pneumonia and tonsilitis. Im a real ball of fun! Dayum, Payum! (As we say down south!) I hope you don't have to go to work tomorrow. Did you catch that crap in the hospital? Those places will kill you. ;) The > flurry of posts was fun...where'd everyone go? ;) To bed! Guess I will try again. >>I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. >>Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it turned out to be okay. Had the whole big checkup thing, thought and > one thing looked suspicious.) Glad it was just a scare. > Make sure they put you on one of the synthetic thryoid preparations, > or be very careful about storing your medication. Animal thyroid goes > bad easily. I'll be on Synthroid next week, right after I have the RAI (radioactive iodine treatment)!! Im getting nuked! zoiks! > My sleep patterns are all weird. On top if it > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to go to work tomorrow. Did you catch that crap in the hospital? > Those places will kill you. ;) No more work til August. Gotta love the life of a teacher. :) Didn;t catch it at the hospital. But my immune system is definitely whacked out right now. In prep for RAI, they keep you off meds and induce you into a severely hypothyroid state. That way the thyroid tissue that remains will suck up the iodine like crazy. (I think you already know this stuff). I get to start synthroid next week and I have NEVER, EVER been so excited for a drug in my entire LIFE! Hopefully, I'll start getting back to normal soon. Whatever the hell normal is... > The > >>flurry of posts was fun...where'd everyone go? ;) > > To bed! Guess I will try again. Yeah, i'll be trying soon too. :) Good luck! >>>I cant sleep either. Cant say it has to do with Conan, but at any rate. >>>Since I have no thryoid and am not currently on thryoid meds, my body is >>>just f*ed up big time. > > I'll be on Synthroid next week, right after I have the RAI (radioactive > iodine treatment)!! Im getting nuked! zoiks! Both the wife and I have been on synthroid for about ten years. Typical age related hypothryroidism. Wife needs 225 mcg while mine is 125 mcg daily to keep TSH in range. "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:83fse.5239 > Both the wife and I have been on synthroid for about ten years. Typical age > related hypothryroidism. Wife needs 225 mcg while mine is 125 mcg daily to > keep TSH in range. Now that's a pair of "euthanasia candidates" for you! > Glad it was just a scare. Thanks, I wish yours had only been a scare. It was hell waiting for the MRI results, but I sure was happy once I got them. (Because I had parents who died young primarily because they did not go for preventive care, or even really when they needed to, I am really careful about screening. They died suddenly. I want notice! :) > > Make sure they put you on one of the synthetic thryoid preparations, > > or be very careful about storing your medication. Animal thyroid goes > > bad easily. > > I'll be on Synthroid next week, right after I have the RAI (radioactive > iodine treatment)!! Im getting nuked! zoiks! Kid, you are going to feel so much better. And if you have ever had trouble keeping a couple of pounds off (you do not look like you have) those days should be over. They can just regulate the amount you get until your metabolism is perfect. Tell me, how do they protect you from the radiation, given that you are so young and will likely want children? (Perhaps there is no danger, I don't know. My mother was post-menopausal when she had the treatment.) > > Dayum, Payum! (As we say down south!) I hope you don't have > > to go to work tomorrow. Did you catch that crap in the hospital? > > Those places will kill you. ;) > > No more work til August. Gotta love the life of a teacher. :) How could I forget?! > Didn;t catch it at the hospital. But my immune system is definitely > whacked out right now. In prep for RAI, they keep you off meds and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > NEVER, EVER been so excited for a drug in my entire LIFE! Hopefully, > I'll start getting back to normal soon. Whatever the hell normal is... You will. And I know you feel lousy right now. Feel free to sleep the time away, if that makes you feel better. Get some good books or movies, take the cats to bed, and pamper yourself. And go in every single year from now on for a physical. If your insurance will not pay for a Mammogram every year since you are so young pay for it yourself. My mother was completely cured of her thyroid cancer. Yours will likely never return. But take no chances. >>I'll be on Synthroid next week, right after I have the RAI (radioactive >>iodine treatment)!! Im getting nuked! zoiks! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have) those days should be over. They can just regulate the amount > you get until your metabolism is perfect. I must photograph well, cuz I am definitely overweight. It has been a struggle for me ever since I left high school, was a big stoner, and ate a lot of late nite pizza. ;) I *really* hope they can get my metabolism under control!!!!!!!!!!! :) > Tell me, how do they > protect you from the radiation, given that you are so young and > will likely want children? (Perhaps there is no danger, I don't > know. My mother was post-menopausal when she had the > treatment.) Studies show that the RAI has little to no effect on fertility! I have read of some women that seemed to have early menopause after RAI, but I think I am luckily still a bit too young for that. (I'm 33) Basically, I just have to wait a year after any radioactive treatments and then can go ahead as normal. The biggest bummer is taht Tim and were gonna start working on babies this summer, but obviously that all came to a screeching halt. >>Didn;t catch it at the hospital. But my immune system is definitely >>whacked out right now. In prep for RAI, they keep you off meds and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for it yourself. My mother was completely cured of her thyroid > cancer. Yours will likely never return. But take no chances. Insurance will cover yearly body scans now because thyroid cancer has a high level of recurrence. (30%) So, some people say that once you are treated, you are watched so closely for the rest of your life that nothing gets by them. I hope that's true. After my treatment dose next week, I'll have a body scan a week later to see where the uptake is and hopefully it will just be in the thyroid bed and the few icky lymph nodes it went to and no where else. Then, I just have to sit back and wait for the radioactive stuff to do its job. This is hardly how I imagined spending my time as a newlywed, but at least I am not alone. And at least we have Jasper and Luna. :) >>>>Standing there alone, one of the unloved pets approaches, curious as to >>>>why this person is also alone. And as the unloved pet and the unloved [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > i have walking pneumonia and tonsilitis. Im a real ball of fun! The flurry > of posts was fun...where'd everyone go? ;) After the orgy, the males are sleeping and the females are having a cigarette. ;^) "Do you smoke after having sex?" "Don't know honey ... I've never looked" > I can't sleep thinking about beautiful Conan, his red nose > and russet stripes. I would take him if I could. I know, he looks like my Scottie. Only my Scottie is asleep on the ironing board (a permanent fixture, practically) having just finished some Bast'ems, his favorite treat, and hanging out with his little sister. All kitties deserve a good home; it makes you wonder why so many never get one and others do, doesn't it? Hope you get some sleep; it's pretty late where you are, only midnight here. Candace > > I can't sleep thinking about beautiful Conan, his red nose > > and russet stripes. I would take him if I could. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some Bast'ems, his favorite treat, and hanging out with his little > sister. I just sat in the guest room Cheeks likes best, trying to read. (Where I go so I won't wake John.) She was on the pillow next to me, then got down and stretched, kicked the snot out of her FatCat catnip toys, jumped down and scratched her Alpine Scratcher, had a snack, came back up with a "mrrp!" This little cat had an asthma attack the day I brought her home from the shelter. The woman instantly said she would take her back. (I just called to ask if they had seen her have an attack before.) I could not even imagine it. And though I have to watch her, not wear perfume, be careful about cleaning products and get her the Depo shots every few months, she is the sweetest, funniest, smartest creature I have ever known. All kitties deserve a good home; it makes you wonder why so > many never get one and others do, doesn't it? For this bastard to actually show photos of him leaping, tell us all about him, then actually have the heartlessness to take him back to be killed just gets me.I've got tears running down my neck and the back of my throat aches from it. > Hope you get some sleep; it's pretty late where you are, only midnight > here. It's nearly 3 and i have some early appointments but, man, some things are hard to get out of your mind. > This little cat had an asthma attack the day I brought her home > from the shelter. The woman instantly said she would take her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > get her the Depo shots every few months, she is the sweetest, > funniest, smartest creature I have ever known. Sounds very much like my Meesha. I can't imagine ever giving her up, ever. Her having asthma only makes me want to take care of her that much more. I know you feel the same about Cheeks. Lauren > > This little cat had an asthma attack the day I brought her home > > from the shelter. The woman instantly said she would take her [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ever. Her having asthma only makes me want to take care of her that > much more. I know you feel the same about Cheeks. I had terrible dreams last night and tried to pull myself out of them (I lucid dream sometimes) and could not--until I heard this meowing. She heard me having the nightmares and woke me up. :) Then when I lay back down and closed my eyes she meowed her head off, like "don't do that, it got you into trouble before!" She had never cried that many times in a row so for a minute I thought she was hurting or sick, but she is fine. Just making sure I'm okay! She has done this before when I was not breathing properly, when I had asthma myself but had not been diagnosed. What is interesting is that Cheeks got asthma before I did--so in reading up on it I knew what to expect when I was diagnosed. Yeah. she is special. a.sholes like Philip would call this just so much "female" nonsense though. >I feel certain that Conan's return to a high-kill shelter has probably > resulted in his death already. Let's all hope that there is something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Candace I wish Conan wasn't on the other side of the country or I would get him into the shelter I'm with. I think Phillip is in So. Cal, I'm in MA. He's probably gone so it's too late :(  Signature-Kelly > I wish Conan wasn't on the other side of the country or I would get him into > the shelter I'm with. Does anyone know that this story is true, or could it be trolling? SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I wish Conan wasn't on the other side of the country or I would get him into > > the shelter I'm with. > > Does anyone know that this story is true, or could it be trolling? It's true. I wish it were a troll. And the worst thing is, this a.shole Philip does not even see anything wrong with what he has done. >>>I wish Conan wasn't on the other side of the country or I would get him > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's true. I wish it were a troll. And the worst thing is, this a.shole > Philip does not even see anything wrong with what he has done. Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and get in touch with the shelter? Pay for his health care until he is better? If Philip would be willing to let us get in touch with them, I'd be more than willing to spend some money to help Conan. > Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and get > in touch with the shelter? Pay for his health care until he is better? If > Philip would be willing to let us get in touch with them, I'd be more than > willing to spend some money to help Conan. Is anyone in the SoCal area? Could they pull him out of the shelter at least while we get something together? I would help contribute too. Signature-Kelly > > Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and get > > in touch with the shelter? Pay for his health care until he is better? If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is anyone in the SoCal area? Could they pull him out of the shelter at > least while we get something together? I would help contribute too. Somebody email Philip and find out where Conan is. Maybe we can save him. I should have thought of this last night instead of going off the deep end. I have appointments. Can someone maybe email Philip then post a note in the rescue group to see if there are any rescuers in LA who could help with leg work if we provide money? > I have appointments. Can someone maybe email Philip then post > a note in the rescue group to see if there are any rescuers in LA > who could help with leg work if we provide money? I Googled and found a post where Phillip said "Orange County Animal Shelter". I can't find a shelter in CA with that exact name, but there is one called Orange County Animal Care Services that could be it. Here's their website: http://www.ocpetinfo.com/ I looked through the cat list and couldn't find one that looked like Conan. Signature-Kelly > > I have appointments. Can someone maybe email Philip then post > > a note in the rescue group to see if there are any rescuers in LA [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > -Kelly Can you call them, then maybe e-mail Conan's picture to identify him? > > > I have appointments. Can someone maybe email Philip then post > > > a note in the rescue group to see if there are any rescuers in LA [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Can you call them, then maybe e-mail Conan's picture to identify him? I have a few calls into Rolling Rescue, Flying Paws and SkyArk to arrange transportation. I'm also awaiting a call from the Orange County Humane Society- which I think might be the shelter. These are the only shelters in Orange County that I could find. Maybe calls from a few of us will get Conan a reprieve and stay of execution until we get the transportation arranged. If we find the cat, perhaps group members that live in the area could hold the cat until transport is arranged. Animal Shelters - Dana Point Animal Rescue Foundation of Dana Point PO Box 756, Dana Point, CA 92629 949 240-2899 Animal Shelters - Huntington Beach Orange County Humane Society 21632 Newland St, Huntington Beach, CA 92646 714 536-8480 Animal Shelters - Irvine Irvine Animal Care Center 6443 Oak Canyon, Irvine, CA 92618 949 724-7740 Animal Shelters - Laguna Beach Laguna Beach Animal Shelter 20612 Laguna Canyon Road, Laguna Beach, CA 92651 949 497-3552 Animal Shelters - Newport Beach National Cat Protection Society 6904 W. Coast Highway, Newport Beach, CA 92663 949 650-1232 Newport Beach City Animal Control 870 Santa Barbara, Newport Beach, CA 92660 949 644-3717 Animal Shelters - Orange Orange County Animal Control 561 City Drive South, Orange, CA 92668 714 935-6848 Animal Shelters - San Clemente San Clemente Animal Shelter 535 Avinda Fabricante, San Clemente, CA 92672 949 492-1617 Animal Shelters - Seal Beach Seal Beach Animal Care Center Est. 1986 1700 Adolfo Lopez Dr, Seal Beach, CA 90740 562 430-4993 >If we find the cat, perhaps group members that live in the area could hold >the cat until transport is arranged. If you manage to get him, please post where we can send donations. Perhaps a paypal account. I felt horrible last night, and while I don't remember the dreams very well, but I know I dreamed about a cat, and I kept waking up upset. It was either Conan or Henry. I was upset about both last night. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com [snip] I found an Orange County Humane Society at: http://www.ochumanesociety.com/cats.php I don't know what Conan looks like but I don't think he's listed on their page. Stacia > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Stacia Conan is a red kitty, very cute. I believe Philip named him so I don't know if the shelter would refer to him as that name. He was only returned yesterday so he probably is not up for adoption yet...if he is still alive, that is. BTW, I will also donate for Conan's reprieve. It would be a very kind thing if Philip would tell us where Conan is but he seems to be blatantly ignoring any mention of Conan at all and just blathering about his new cat. Help save your former kitty, Philip. Candace >>>Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and get >>>in touch with the shelter? Pay for his health care until he is better? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > a note in the rescue group to see if there are any rescuers in LA > who could help with leg work if we provide money? I just emailed him. I can;t do much more than that since I am not in or near LA. And as of next week (MOnday) I will be out of comission because of my cancer treatment, or else I'd be happy to organize the payment/money collection process. But like I said before, I'm MORE than willing to donate. Someone could perhaps setup a paypal account. Pam >>>> Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and >>>> get [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Pam Also, I hvae a friend in the LA area. I can ask him if he would be willing to get involved and help at all. > >>>> Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and > >>>> get [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Also, I hvae a friend in the LA area. I can ask him if he would be > willing to get involved and help at all. I will pay him to go get Conan and keep him until either we can get him to me or another good home. If he will go get him tomorrow I will send him a PayPal tonight. Please have him email me if you can get up with him and he agrees. If we can just get him out of the shelter, in safe hands, we can buy time to figure out what to do. I found some flights from LA X to Raleigh for $300-$500, but who will fly a cat, and can he fly in the cabin unaccompanied? I cannot quite do a round trip for a human plus a one-way for Conan, but I can do a one-way for Conan if we can find someone who would put him on the plane and an airline that would fly him. I could get a carrier, etc. My husband does NOT want another cat and does not want a male cat. However, I want to save Conan and always have wanted a big orange boy. I could work it out. Or I could pay to fly Conan to wherever anyone is who we trust to keep and love him. >>>>>>Maybe there is a way the folks on this group could band together and >>>>>>get [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > the shelter, in safe hands, we can buy time to figure out what to > do. I am trying to get in touch with my friend out there. No avail yet. What is coincidental is that he used to live in Raleigh. ;) I have a bunch of hippie friends there. ;) > I just emailed him. I can;t do much more than that since I am not in > or near LA. And as of next week (MOnday) I will be out of comission [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pam Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber traffic. The ID # that may help you: P0710740 (714) 935-6943 OC Animal Care Center >>I just emailed him. I can;t do much more than that since I am not in >>or near LA. And as of next week (MOnday) I will be out of comission [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (714) 935-6943 OC Animal Care Center Thank you, Philip. > Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber > traffic. > > The ID # that may help you: P0710740 > > (714) 935-6943 OC Animal Care Center Thank you very much. I hope Phil can sweet talk them. Phil is in the shelter biz so he would know how to proceed. I think there will be an outpouring of $$ from this group for Conan's salvation. Candace >>Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber >>traffic. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Candace im on hold with this shelter right now. i have no idea what to say, but i'll try! phil...if you are also calling...let me know! i am sure you are much better suited for this kind of phone call than I am!!! > >>Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber > >>traffic. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > i'll try! phil...if you are also calling...let me know! i am sure you > are much better suited for this kind of phone call than I am!!! I just got off the phone with them. Let me know what told you. Phil >>>Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber >>>traffic. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >i'll try! phil...if you are also calling...let me know! i am sure you >are much better suited for this kind of phone call than I am!!! I got through, and she told me there was another one of us on hold, must've been you! He's still there, and they expect to put him back up for adoption. I expressed my concern that they were a high kill shelter and explained what was going on here, and asked that he be bumped further down the euth list to give us a chance to mobilize. She said as far as she knew, he wouldn't be euthed just because he was ill right now, but keep calling! eq >>>>Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber >>>>traffic. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > eq I'm kind of sitting here in amazement at all of us. :) >>>>>Hi Pam. No email from you but ... email sometimes gets delayed in cyber >>>>>traffic. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >I'm kind of sitting here in amazement at all of us. >:) Why? Haven't you ever seen a bunch of hyper-compassionate nut-jobs before?! Caveat -- you should see what happens when this energy is used to harness the "Dark Side". eq >> I'm kind of sitting here in amazement at all of us. >> :) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > eq Ok, for all this flurry of phone calls and mobilization, what has changed in the past three hours? Anybody here going to adopt Conan? Anybody (Phil P) find out the diagnosis and treatment that apparently brought Conan's health back ... if such is the case? >>> I'm kind of sitting here in amazement at all of us. >>> :) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >and treatment that apparently brought Conan's health back ... if such is the >case? What a fuckwad -- you couldn't put up with him for 2 weeks, and now you're complaining that nothing's happened in 3 hours? LMAO, what a f.cking moron! eq >>>I'm kind of sitting here in amazement at all of us. >>>:) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and treatment that apparently brought Conan's health back ... if such is the > case? With all due respect, Philip, it's out of your hands. We appreciate you giving us the info to find out about him. Clearly nothing has "changed" other than we know Conan is not dead and will not be PTS in the immediate future. This is what we hoped to prevent. If you do care, and since you are the local one there, maybe *you* might put in a call to find out about his health. Apparently it was not as grave as you thought as he seems to be doing quite well. It does seem that there is some discrepancy between your vet's opinion and the shelter's. I might hope it would be of personal interest to you. I know *I* am furious about the situuation and this was not even my pet. Keep in mind, I have been nothing but nice and respectful towards you, so none of this should be taken as a flame. The others here do that job. ;) But believe it or not, we truly care about Conan's situation and wanted to do what we could to help. Pam >> Ok, for all this flurry of phone calls and mobilization, what has >> changed in the past three hours? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it would be of personal interest to you. I know *I* am furious about > the situuation and this was not even my pet. Thank you for your civility. As I have said earlier, with the professional information I had at hand, AND that the OC shelter will not treat any adopted animal, I was left with either spending a lot of money thru my vet or to relinquish ownership of the cat back to the shelter so he could be treated and then making another adoption. Those were my options last Monday. > Keep in mind, I have been nothing but nice and respectful towards you, > so none of this should be taken as a flame. Pam, I believe you based on email we've had. > The others here do that job. ;) The band of merry cat crusaders with all the suave of the Spanish Inquisition or the KKK. > But believe it or not, we truly care about Conan's situation and wanted to > do what we could to help. > > Pam Let's reflect. I revealed Conan's condition as it progressed, what sort of feedback did I get? 80% foul mouthed, judgmental, condemnations from nearly all of those who responded the moment I mentioned the shelter's 14 day exchange policy. You and Barry were the only ones who contacted me privately and were civil. The rest ... all Mary/Phil P sycophants in large degree. At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... should I fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in a very short time (supposedly). At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the shelter veterinary cost level, a blood panel is what .... $25? And a shot ... $10? Result, cured Conan (so we're told). As is, we now have a kitten who (AT THE MOMENT) is fit as a fiddle, very friendly (cuddles up on my shoulder and purrs & follows me around the house), is very talkative, is litter box trained but, doesn't match any of our furniture. We could redecorate (nudge nudge, wink wink). Well, the little fella is giving me the "feed me" look so I bid you all adieu and, a special thanks to you Pam. >At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive > estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the shelter [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > house), is very talkative, is litter box trained but, doesn't match any of > our furniture. We could redecorate (nudge nudge, wink wink). Why on earth did you ever adopt another animal? What makes you think that at some point in time your new cat won't require $300 or maybe even more in upkeep. Clearly you are in no position to afford a pet if you dumped your previous one because he would have cost you $300 in vet bills. Oh wait, you can just dump the new one when it's vet time. Isn't that how you work? I can understand why people have been going off on you. It's hard not to call you the miserable f.ck that you are. Lauren > >At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive > > estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the shelter [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Isn't that how you work? I can understand why people have been going > off on you. It's hard not to call you the miserable f.ck that you are. I hate him. I honestly do. And I have never said that about anyone who posted here. Although I have said *other* things. > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote in message > Why on earth did you ever adopt another animal? What makes you think [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I hate him. I honestly do. And I have never said that about anyone who > posted here. Although I have said *other* things. I missed all the posts when he had first adopted Conan so I really didn't know anything about him or the cat. But I sure have had my eyes opened in the past couple of days, and I totally agree with you. What makes me really hate him is that he has absolutely no remorse about Conan whatsoever. All he cared about was his wallet. All of us here would want to do everything possible to help a sick pet, not dump him because he became inconvenient. He's a real scumbag, that's for sure. Lauren > > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote in message > > Why on earth did you ever adopt another animal? What makes you think [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > would want to do everything possible to help a sick pet, not dump him > because he became inconvenient. He's a real scumbag, that's for sure. Can you even begin to see the implications for the poor creature he calls "the wife?" To be married to a man this emotionally bankrupt? *Shudder* >> At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive >> estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lauren Lauren. Shut up. Better yet ... into the kill file ya go with you ilk. > Thank you for your civility. As I have said earlier, with the professional > information I had at hand, AND that the OC shelter will not treat any > adopted animal, I was left with either spending a lot of money thru my vet > or to relinquish ownership of the cat back to the shelter so he could be > treated and then making another adoption. Those were my options last Monday. Is this common? I thought that a shelter would treat its own animals immediately after adoption. I seem to recall my Luna coming home with a URI and the humane society did treat her...for that and the fleas she was kind enough to bring home. If its something they come to you, isnt the shelter usually the one to treat? I may not like what you did, but I also dont like the shelter policy which is to send you off to treat the cat on your own, knowing full well how much more expensive it is to do so. > Let's reflect. I revealed Conan's condition as it progressed, what sort of > feedback did I get? 80% foul mouthed, judgmental, condemnations from nearly > all of those who responded the moment I mentioned the shelter's 14 day > exchange policy. Again, I hate that stupid shelter. "Exchange policy"...is that what it is really called? Like the cat is some kind of damn piece of furniture. At any rate, the 80% of crap you got does not discredit the good advice that you DID get. I know you got a lot of advice about hand feeding, etc. You were doing it. It seemed that you were doing it well! I think I even posted that you should try to hang in there because sometimes these things are hard to clear up. And in that post or another one, I remember saying something like "let the group know before you return him"...not that you owed *us* anything, but this group of people has a lot to offer in terms of cat care. Anyway, I'm babbling. > At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... should I > fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in a very short > time (supposedly). At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive > estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the shelter > veterinary cost level, a blood panel is what .... $25? And a shot ... $10? > Result, cured Conan (so we're told). Well, if it were me, I'd be calling the shelter to find out what his diagnosis was and how he was treated. Then I'd be on the phone with my vet. And I'd be raising hell. But, it would also imply that you might be interested in actually having Conan. You gave up on him. That is the big bummer for me. The shelter policy makes no sense. Something here doesnt make sense. I mean, if the shelter wont treat the cat after you adopt it, but then you return it under its "warrantee"...the shelter is going to treat it then. And apparently they did. So, why wouldnt they help out with low cost vet care in the first place. Are you sure you are really telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? > As is, we now have a kitten who (AT THE MOMENT) is fit as a fiddle This is what has everyone on edge. The kitten is fit as a fiddle "AT THE MOMENT". What are you going to do if on day 15, kitty is not so fit? You wont be able to return him. Will you care for him? Will you give up on him, too? This is why you are getting the reaction you have gotten. Most people can not understand why you didn't go the distance for Conan...and wonder if you would go the distance for any cat... Pam >> Thank you for your civility. As I have said earlier, with the >> professional information I had at hand, AND that the OC shelter will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is this common? I thought that a shelter would treat its own animals > immediately after adoption. My vet believed such to be the case however ... when I called the shelter vet, I was told the only way they treat adopted animals is if the owner relinquishes the animal to them entirely. There is a 14 day grace policy where you can exchange an adoption for another which on the cue from my vet, I decided to do. But those who have raced off half cocked and crazy still don't get that fact. The shelter adoption process permits you 72 hrs to schedule an office visit with a vet of your chosing provided that vet is on The List at no charge. I took advantage of that provision. Conan was sneezing and sniffling at the vet office visit. > I seem to recall my Luna coming home with > a URI and the humane society did treat her...for that and the fleas she [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > treat the cat on your own, knowing full well how much more expensive it is > to do so. Such is way it's done here. >> Let's reflect. I revealed Conan's condition as it progressed, what >> sort of feedback did I get? 80% foul mouthed, judgmental, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is really called? Like the cat is some kind of damn piece of > furniture. Early on when I mentioned the policy, I got flamed for likening the policy to a new cell phone contract. People here are just too tightly wound for the greater good. > At any rate, the 80% of crap you got does not discredit the good > advice that you DID get. The price was way too high. Professional people in a white collar industry do not conduct themselves as is evidenced here in abundance. > I know you got a lot of advice about hand feeding, > etc. You were doing it. It seemed that you were doing it well! I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > before you return him"...not that you owed *us* anything, but this group > of people has a lot to offer in terms of cat care. Anyway, I'm babbling. Correct on each point. But I would never accuse you of "babbling". LOL >> At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... >> should I fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diagnosis was and how he was treated. Then I'd be on the phone with my > vet. And I'd be raising hell. In my younger days, I would. I've become a bit better at picking the battles I can win and acquiescing on the rest. > But, it would also imply that you might > be interested in actually having Conan. You gave up on him. That is > the big bummer for me. I know my limits. I'm not a veterinarian meaning ... my job is to gather what I trust to be the best information and make a decision I can live with. I did. And in spite of today's developments, I do not regret the decision to return Conan. His best interests and my wallet were best served by returning him. Remember, this is a cat I did not have a medical or personal history on ... zip. He was a stray, not a relinquished pet. > The shelter policy makes no sense. Something here doesnt make sense. I > mean, if the shelter wont treat the cat after you adopt it, but then > you return it under its "warrantee"...the shelter is going to treat > it then. And apparently they did. So, why wouldnt they help out with low > cost > vet care in the first place. snip Call them yourself. >> As is, we now have a kitten who (AT THE MOMENT) is fit as a fiddle > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pam Let me tell you this (directed to The Group, not yourself), I will NOT tell any of you anything further about medical matters. I'll go elsewhere. "Going the distance" has proven to be HIGHLY subjective so I am inclinded to disregard the statement. Behavior questions well ... we'll see. So far (10 hrs), he's behaved flawlessly for a kitten in totally new surroundings and without littermates with two giant hoomans handling him. ;^) His best interests and my wallet were best served by returning > him. Remember, this is a cat I did not have a medical or personal history on > ... zip. He was a stray, not a relinquished pet. Actually okay I agree with the first sentence- staying with someone like you wasn't in his "best interests" and when you mention your wallet that's the first honest thing you've said. As for that second line- it makes me shudder to think there are people like you in this World! You did have a personal history with Conan!!!! You'd brought him home and shared a home with him for a few weeks maybe not a long personal history but it was there and when you're faced with a bill you dumped the poor sick kitten back at the shelter....Yes sometimes adoptions don't work out and cats have to be returned to the shelter but to adopt Conan and then just dump him because he got sick...all I can say is your new kitten had better not even dare to sneeze because suddenly he won't be adorable anymore and off he goes!!!! I am frankly horrified that the shelter could have given you another kitten.... As for everyone here who is moving Heaven and Earth to get Conan into his onetruehome- It restores my faith in Human nature which frankly was getting pretty low after realising there are b****ards like Phil in the World. Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > His best interests and my wallet were best served by returning >> him. Remember, this is a cat I did not have a medical or personal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like you wasn't in his "best interests" and when you mention your > wallet that's the first honest thing you've said. snip Honest to you is telling you what you want to believe or hear. Please do not respond to any of my posts. They are not geared for judgemental bigots. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Lesley" <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> > It restores my faith in Human nature which frankly was >getting pretty low after realising there are b****ards like Phil in the >World. Just to keep things straight. There's a Phil and a Philip in this group. In simple terms: Phil - Good Philip - Bad Hmmm, things are not always that black and white... Rhonda > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Phil - Good > Philip - Bad > Hmmm, things are not always that black and white... Only to dimwits like you. > Rhonda > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Phil - Good > > Philip - Bad > His best interests and my wallet were best served by returning > > him. Remember, this is a cat I did not have a medical or personal history on [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Lesley Bless you, Lesley. I must make one distinction though: Phil (actually, Phil P.) while a bit acerbic when riled, is a good guy and our resident authority on vet care. Philip is the bastard. There will be a quiz on this material Monday morning! ;) Bless you, Lesley. I must make one distinction though: Phil (actually, Phil P.) while a bit acerbic when riled, is a good guy and our resident authority on vet care. Philip is the bastard. There will be a quiz on this material Monday morning! ;) Whoops! Sorry I know Phil P is the good guy and when I refer to him I call him Phil P- never my intention to confuse the two I know the difference and I'm sorry if I offended Phil P who is a great guy and knows all there is to know about cats Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs "Lesley" <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in news:1119018516.539677.155720 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: > You'd brought him home and shared a home with him for a few weeks maybe > not a long personal history but it was there and when you're faced with > a bill you dumped the poor sick kitten back at the shelter. Well, wait a minute here. Most shelters adopt out with the policy of adopters being able to return animals who are found to be unhealthy. Although I personally can't return anyone to the shelter once I've taken him/her home, I don't think it's wrong to refuse to adopt an ill cat. In fact, I would like to see shelters do more to ensure that the pets they adopt out *are* healthy. It's a lot to ask, to expect that people will take on an animal who has health problems from the start. I had the experience once of adopting a cat, Finster, who turned out to have feline leukemia and was FIV positive. I was unthrilled with the shelter but ultimately decided to give him the best life I could for as long as he had, which wasn't long. Because he totally won me over with his enormous tabby cat charm! But I can certainly understand someone making a different decision -- I had adopted him because my dear Madeline had died and we needed a cat in the house -- going through the pain of his illness and loss so soon after Madeline's death was tremendously difficult. SignatureCatherine & Zoe the cockerchow & Queenie the black gold retriever & Rosalie the calico > I had the experience once of adopting a cat, Finster, who turned out to > have feline leukemia and was FIV positive. I was unthrilled with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > his illness and loss so soon after Madeline's death was tremendously > difficult. There is a big difference between finding out a cat has incurable like FIV and FeLV and a cat coming down with a URI after going home. Conan was healthy at the time of the adoption. There is no way to know if a cat is going to develop something after adoption. In your situation, I do fault the shelter for not testing, although I realize this is the policy of some shelters, they leave it up to the adopter to get the cat tested. I don't agree with it. People need to know if a cat has FIV or FeLV, especially if they have other cats at home. Signature-Kelly >snip >> As is, we now have a kitten who (AT THE MOMENT) is fit as a fiddle [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam Let me readdress your closing sentence. "Most people cannot understand why ...." It is NOT that any of you people "cannot understand." It is that you do not agree with my course of action. You people are enthusiasts and some are fanatics. Such people are overwhelmingly driven by their passion(s) with the fanatics often finding themselves manipulating others with guilt trips to fund their passions. "If you reeeeally loved (fill in the blank), you'd do this wonderful thing. It's quite transparent. I'm counting on responses marked by invectives. Don't disappoint me. > You people are enthusiasts and some are fanatics. It just seems that way to you because you're emotionally bankrupt. That was clearly evident by your comment that disabled cats are "euthanasia candidates". Such people are > overwhelmingly driven by their passion(s) with the fanatics often finding > themselves manipulating others with guilt trips to fund their passions. "If > you reeeeally loved (fill in the blank), you'd do this wonderful thing. > It's quite transparent. "This wonderful thing" is simply honoring the commitment, obligation and responsibility a person makes when they're entrusted with a cat's life. You failed to fulfill your commitment to Conan-- you simply backed out of your obligation at the first sign of a problem. That makes you a cheap, sleazy welsher. > Let's reflect. I revealed Conan's condition as it progressed, what sort > of feedback did I get? 80% foul mouthed, judgmental, condemnations from > nearly all of those who responded the moment I mentioned the shelter's 14 > day exchange policy. You and Barry were the only ones who contacted me > privately and were civil. The rest ... all Mary/Phil P sycophants in > large degree. People were reacting to your references to giving Conan a time limit to get better and that you would take him back to what you called a high-kill shelter. That's why people were hostile towards you. Again, I gave you a lot of useful information and tried to help, but you stopped posting about him and have done nothing but hurl insults at me for the crime of being a caring, sensitive person. Signature-Kelly >> Let's reflect. I revealed Conan's condition as it progressed, what >> sort of feedback did I get? 80% foul mouthed, judgmental, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you stopped posting about him and have done nothing but hurl insults > at me for the crime of being a caring, sensitive person. The time constraint was dictated by the 14 day exchange policy and the limits of my wallet which my vet seemed a bit eager to explore. I've had cats get ill before ... nothing new. But they always worked through such matters in 5-7 days except for catfight injuries when I maintained indoor/outdoor cats. As for hurling insults, you better review your posts for foul language and provocative accusations. Don't make excuses for the inexcusable. >At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... should I >fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in a very short >time (supposedly). At the retail customer level, I was handed an expensive >estimate to diagnose and then treat Conan, nearly $300. At the shelter >veterinary cost level, a blood panel is what .... $25? And a shot ... $10? >Result, cured Conan (so we're told). It sounds like yo do not believe that the cat has been treated and doing well. If so, you really need to call the shelter and ask them to confirm the information. Let them know that you are wondering if your vet misled you, and find out the truth. If the vet misled you, then you need to know now, before you take the next cat to the same vet and get fed the same line. I really doubt the shelter would tell 4 people that the cat is doing well if he is, in fact, very sick. So, it sounds like he is truly doing well. Either your vet lied to you, or you just didn't give him enough time. Maybe he was almost recovered when you gave him back. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... should I > >fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in a very short [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > doing well. Either your vet lied to you, or you just didn't give him > enough time. Maybe he was almost recovered when you gave him back. Meghan, he is just lying his a.s off. He may never have even force-fed the cat. Wait until he sees how much trouble a kitten can be. I did not and will not even look at the photo of the kitten. The woman at the shelter told me it was a brown tabby. >>>At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... should > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > will not even look at the photo of the kitten. The woman at the shelter told > me it was a brown tabby. He mentioned it, too. So did I. I just pray that little brownie stays healthy!!! > I really doubt the shelter would tell 4 people that the cat is doing > well if he is, in fact, very sick. So, it sounds like he is truly > doing well. Either your vet lied to you, or you just didn't give him > enough time. Maybe he was almost recovered when you gave him back. Whatever happened to second opinions? SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > I really doubt the shelter would tell 4 people that the cat is doing > > well if he is, in fact, very sick. So, it sounds like he is truly > > doing well. Either your vet lied to you, or you just didn't give him > > enough time. Maybe he was almost recovered when you gave him back. > > Whatever happened to second opinions? Oh, sure, Philip would really give that much of a sh.t. Please. >> At the present, I am faced with a new problem regarding my vet ... >> should I fire her in light of what the shelter vet was able to do in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It sounds like yo do not believe that the cat has been treated and > doing well. Considering the sources... you're darned right. > If so, you really need to call the shelter and ask them to > confirm the information. Let them know that you are wondering if your > vet misled you, and find out the truth. That is a reasonable course of action. > If the vet misled you, then you need to know now, before you take the > next cat to the same vet and get fed the same line. > > I really doubt the shelter would tell 4 people that the cat is doing > well if he is, in fact, very sick. Considering the gulf of credibility of those persons (their lying to and about each other on this forum), I believe nothing but for words coming directly from the treating veterinarian. > So, it sounds like he is truly > doing well. Either your vet lied to you, or you just didn't give him > enough time. Maybe he was almost recovered when you gave him back. You're guessing. Please reframe from that activity with me. Conan slept from Friday all through to Monday morning's trip to the shelter ... but for forced feedings, two bowel movements, and the Saturday vet office visit. HARDLY "almost recovered." > You're guessing. Please reframe from that activity with me. Conan slept > from Friday all through to Monday morning's trip to the shelter ... but for > forced feedings, two bowel movements, and the Saturday vet office visit. > HARDLY "almost recovered." Did you return him on Monday? I thought it was Wednesday. Not that it really matters at this point, I suppose. Candace >> You're guessing. Please reframe from that activity with me. Conan slept >> from Friday all through to Monday morning's trip to the shelter ... but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Candace It does not matter at this point. You would know the answer to your question had you been following this story. > "Candace" <maccandace@aol |
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