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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Megan DOES Live in a 1-bedroom Apt. With 20-some cats.
Megan will be so proud of me! I Googled her! Here is the game she is playing. She can say it is a lie that she lives in a one-bedroom apartment with 23 cats because she really lives in a one-bedroom apartment with 24 cats. What a pathetic attempt to avoid telling the truth. And how sad for the cats. Here is the first thread that came up: http://tinyurl.com/c6elf While I am sure she has the best of intentions, anyone who thinks that many cats living in ANY SIZE one-bedroom apartment are in the best possible place is nuts. Getting back to Henry: I am very sad for him. He had the run of a good-sized place at Brians, got shuffled to some woman's home who never wanted him, and now is stuffed into Megan's little apartment with 20-some other cats. That was my point. Poor Henry. > Megan will be so proud of me! I Googled her! > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > That was my point. Poor Henry. Just curious, but are they all permanent or are some staying there on their way to somewhere else? I have a friend who does trapping/rescuing and she lives in a two bedroom apt. Her population can reach 20+ at times, but most of them are waiting for placement. She also has cages in her second bedroom, and at this time of year the population is mostly kittens. I think she has about 5 cats that are hers. I've been to her place and it's always neat and tidy. Heck, I've had like 13-14 cats in here when I have a momma and a litter.  Signature-Kelly > > Megan will be so proud of me! I Googled her! > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > are hers. I've been to her place and it's always neat and tidy. > Heck, I've had like 13-14 cats in here when I have a momma and a litter. I don't know. I know she is trying to do something good. But when I think of the cramped quarters from which I rescued Cheeks, and the way she stretched and stretched when she got here, like she had not had room to for a long time, I just feel sad for the cats that stay there for a long time. The shelter where I got Cheeks is in a four-bedroom house with maybe forty cats at any one time. > Here is the game she is playing. She can say it is a lie that she lives in a > one-bedroom apartment with 23 cats because she really lives in a one-bedroom > apartment with > 24 cats. (...) > http://tinyurl.com/c6elf Yes, but nowhere at that link does she herself say she lives / lived in a one bedroom apt. Again, no-one has provided words from 't horses mouth as it were. S. > > Here is the game she is playing. She can say it is a lie that she lives in a > > one-bedroom apartment with 23 cats because she really lives in a one-bedroom [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a one bedroom apt. Again, no-one has provided words from 't horses > mouth as it were. Read more carefully. There is a discussion of Phil's idea of a one-bedroom apartment versus the one she "might" have. In any case, she has not denied it, and she certainly would. (...) > Read more carefully. There is a discussion of Phil's idea of a > one-bedroom apartment versus the one she "might" have. In > any case, she has not denied it, and she certainly would. The only "mights" I saw were in relation to what someeone else "might" think (about her). Certainly people think she has a 1-bed apt., but thus far no-one has managed to find her ever actually stating this. Whether she would deny or not ... well, there's no guarantee of either behaviour. She could find all these shenanigans amusing... Anyway, I'll leave you chaps to your Normally Scheduled Programming. S. > (...) > > Read more carefully. There is a discussion of Phil's idea of a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Whether she would deny or not ... well, there's no guarantee of either > behaviour. She could find all these shenanigans amusing... Yes, you're right. Most single women who clean houses for a living live in large houses. Or four-bedroom apartments. The only reason she does not deny it is because it is true. >Yes, you're right. Most single women who clean houses for a living >live in large houses. Or four-bedroom apartments. I better check what my house cleaner lives in - she sure charges enough :-) My previous cleaner quit the business so she and her husband could open their fishing lodge which apparently was their lifetime dream. -mhd > >Yes, you're right. Most single women who clean houses for a living > >live in large houses. Or four-bedroom apartments. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My previous cleaner quit the business so she and her husband could > open their fishing lodge which apparently was their lifetime dream. Great! Next question: what did her husband do? Steve wrote: >Again, no-one has provided words from 't >horses mouth as it were. Exactly. Mary is relying on a post from someone who was responding to the same lame accusations Mary and Phil are making. It's not proof of anything other than that I have never posted such a thing. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Steve wrote: > >Again, no-one has provided words from 't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the same lame accusations Mary and Phil are making. It's not proof of > anything other than that I have never posted such a thing. I know you do your best. It's just sad for the cats. It would be sad for the cats if you lived in a four-bedroom house. > Steve wrote: > >Again, no-one has provided words from 't > >horses mouth as it were. Don't explain nothing to these clowns. Your dealing with hostile people who have missed their calling in life. They should take all this hostile energy and put it to BETTER use, like the war against drugs, and rape, and crime... you know, help build a better tommarrow. I'd bet my last dollar that Mary would trade places with you in the drop of a hat. She's just jealous because your doing what you imagined youi wanted to do. Your having all the fun. Don't you feel the least bit wrong, or anything like that. If your house is small, I'm sure your already planning a larger place Maybe an old farmhouse, converted into a rescue or something... if that's what you want to do. Mary should help you in this. Mary's got a computer, she has the power to write grants and find the money that could help you in something like this. I doubt very seriously that Brian would lie about something like this. Even if..Even if...your house was trashed and stinking, at least your trying, and I'd rather have a cat live in a stink house, than wander from garbage can to garbage can with his little belly swollen looking for a crust of bread. >> Steve wrote: >>> Again, no-one has provided words from 't [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > from garbage can to garbage can with his little belly swollen looking > for a crust of bread. WHOA, pardner. TRYING is *not* good enough. You have to succeed otherwise ... you had better recognize early your failing and then hand off to those who will succeed. A case in point was some woman out in northern Los Angeles earlier this year, caring for some 80+ cats in her *house* ... well intentioned but ... FAILING to provide a healthy environment for so many cats. >>>Steve wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > year, caring for some 80+ cats in her *house* ... well intentioned but ... > FAILING to provide a healthy environment for so many cats. Agreed. I just do not think that Megan is a hoarder. I *do* think that 25 cats or whatever is a lot. Too many? Not for me to decide. I've looked at her pix though and they seem to be happy, playful kitties. Just lots of them. I could never live like that. I'd probably die of an asthma attack. I digress... Pam >>>> Steve wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > I digress... > Pam The true test of how many cats is enough is: Invite a neighbor in for coffee. Watch their reaction to seeing the number of cats you have. Take note of their reluctance to sit on anything upholstered. Watch their face for wrinkled nose or flinching eyes. I'm convinced many "cat people" have a high tolerance to kitty smells and dander. When you are a cat fancier, it is really difficult to be objective about the level of care you are providing. Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes home for the first time. <snip> >Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes >home for the first time. Wow, you gave up on him already? That was fast. Poor cat. > <snip> > >Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Poor cat. You shouldn't be surprised. He said disable cats are 'euthanasia candidates'. When he adopted Conan, I said I hope the cat never gets sick or else the cat is a gonner. Sure enough he 'returned' the cat because he had a URI. Phil > > <snip> > > >Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or else the cat is a gonner. Sure enough he 'returned' the cat because he > had a URI. He was such a beautful cat. They will likely put him down. > He was such a beautful cat. They will likely put him down. If the vet really said what a-hole claims he did, I'm sure he's dead already. I know this: neither Megan nor Phil would do anything like this. They are not the enemy. Candace > > He was such a beautful cat. They will likely put him down. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know this: neither Megan nor Phil would do anything like this. They > are not the enemy. No, I know. I have no words right now. > > He was such a beautful cat. They will likely put him down. > > If the vet really said what a-hole claims he did, I'm sure he's dead > already. More than one vet told me that one of the most complicating factors in diagnosis and treatment is the fact that many owners will lie about what is actually happening or what has happened so not to look at fault or to save face. My guess is the vet might have been worried that Philip would dispose of the cat- possibly cruelly, if treatment didn't produce results fast enough or became expensive. Almost all of the rehabs I get from vets are cats that were owned by people who didn't want to spend the time and/or money to treat the cats- not can't treat due to lack of funds or time or ability- they just didn't *want* to be bothered. Some of the people actually want the cat killed- not rehomed and treated- killed. Figure that one out. When people return cats to me for silly and petty reasons, I don't try to talk them out of it. My only concern is getting the cat away from them as quickly as possible- I'll even return their money- from my pocket on the spot and consider it money well spent. > I know this: neither Megan nor Phil would do anything like this. They > are not the enemy. She sure thinks I am! Phil >I'll even return their money- from my pocket on the > spot and consider it money well spent. The shelter tried to give me my money back for Lex. I refused and whenever I go there I give them more money. Maybe some day I'll grow out of the guilt. Pam > >I'll even return their money- from my pocket on the > > spot and consider it money well spent. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Maybe some day I'll grow out of the guilt. > Pam I don't know or remember the situation concerning Lex. If you'd like, you can tell me what happened via email. I'd like to know. I seriously doubt you circumstances were anything like "Mr. Warmth's". I have very little tolerance for surrenders because most of my rehabs didn't take much effort or expense to rehabilitate. However, in some (few) cases, rehoming is the best (only) solution for the cats and people. Phil >>>I'll even return their money- from my pocket on the >>>spot and consider it money well spent. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > can tell me what happened via email. I'd like to know. I seriously doubt > you circumstances were anything like "Mr. Warmth's". Check your email...and have mercy on me please! ;) > More than one vet told me that one of the most complicating factors in > diagnosis and treatment is the fact that many owners will lie about what [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bothered. Some of the people actually want the cat killed- not rehomed and > treated- killed. Figure that one out. Yep, that is so true. Our shelter has gotten a number of cats from local vet hospitals because the people wanted to put the cat down instead of treating, and not for expensive procedures either. > When people return cats to me for silly and petty reasons, I don't try to > talk them out of it. My only concern is getting the cat away from them as > quickly as possible- I'll even return their money- from my pocket on the > spot and consider it money well spent. Me too. Then I email all the area shelters and tell them never to adopt to this person. Signature-Kelly >> He was such a beautful cat. They will likely put him down. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Candace You know .... nothing, Candace. You only have your imagination running wild. > <snip> >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Poor cat. My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day (June4). The following Saturday (June11), the follow up evaluation was "Cut your loses now ... Conan's condition is not simple URI." Six days of hand/force feeding 2-3 times a day with additional symptoms appearing was not up to the vet's standards nor mine. Please people ... just calm down. > My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day (June4). The > following Saturday (June11), the follow up evaluation was "Cut your loses [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please people ... just calm down. I don't know any vet who would say "cut your losses". RIP Conan. Signature-Kelly > > My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day (June4). The > > following Saturday (June11), the follow up evaluation was "Cut your loses [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't know any vet who would say "cut your losses". > RIP Conan. Neither do I - unless the vet is as emotionally bankrupt as Philip. He's definitely a DNA. > > > My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day (June4). > The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > He's definitely a DNA. He's probably lying. The vet probably said "give him another wee, he'll be fine." > > > > My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day (June4). > > The [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > He's probably lying. After his remark about disabled cats being 'euthanasia candidates', there's no doubt in my mind about it. The vet probably said "give him another wee, he'll be > fine." I'll tell you one thing with absolute certainty, many people lie about the reasons for surrender and euthanasia to assuage guilt and responsibility and save face. The old fart shouldn't be adopting a young cat to begin with (or any cat, actually). > > > > > My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day > (June4). [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The old fart shouldn't be adopting a young cat to begin with (or any cat, > actually). Of all the a.sholes I've read here, Philip is the first whose guts I actually hate. I mean, hate. What a bastard. > He's definitely a DNA. I think you mean a DNR. Our own Terry Shiavo and just about as brain dead. >> He's definitely a DNA. > > I think you mean a DNR. Our own Terry Shiavo and just about as > brain dead. I felt really bad for her parents when the results of the autopsy came out today. They really believed what they believed. Maybe now they can find some peace. :( SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> He's definitely a DNA. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > came out today. They really believed what they believed. Maybe now > they can find some peace. :( The parents were and remain .... scum. > > He's definitely a DNA. > > I think you mean a DNR. Our own Terry Shiavo and just about as brain dead. No. I mean DNA- Do Not Adopt. > > > He's definitely a DNA. > > > > I think you mean a DNR. Our own Terry Shiavo and just about as brain dead. > > No. I mean DNA- Do Not Adopt. Although, "do not resusitate" is not an altogether bad idea in Philip's case. >> My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day >> (June4). The following Saturday (June11), the follow up [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't know any vet who would say "cut your losses". > RIP Conan. :( SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day >>> (June4). The following Saturday (June11), the follow up [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > :( Cheryl ... I am still conflicted over the decision I had to make. I have never been one to beat myself up with "what ifs" after making the best decision at the time so ... this too will pass. >>>> My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day >>>> (June4). The following Saturday (June11), the follow up [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > after making the best decision at the time so ... this too will > pass. Yeah, I can tell that. I really can. But I was really pulling for Conan. Now the thing I worry about is that kittens can come down with URI much more easily than older cats, and its harder to resolve. One of my now-9-month old kittens not only had URI, but "failure to thrive" and she got an infection after her spay and I'm convinced that it was because she wasn't totally healthy at the time of her op. It was hard to get weight on her and I thought for a bit there she was going to die. Kittens can really be a lot more work than an older cat with just a URI to get past. When you get your little tabby baby, and if you can't get help from the vet, and you feel at your wits end and feel like you're going to lose him/her, please ask for help. Among all of the flames and ridiculousness, we will help you with your kitten. It's all about the cats here. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >When you get > your little tabby baby, and if you can't get help from the vet, and > you feel at your wits end and feel like you're going to lose > him/her, please ask for help. Among all of the flames and > ridiculousness, we will help you with your kitten. It's all about > the cats here. I must be missing a thread somewhere because I don't see any reference to him getting a tabby baby and barely any reference to Conan being returned (i.e. killed). I'm sorry, but I think he's an asswipe. I'm sure as we are all typing away here that poor Conan is no longer of this world. I sincerely hope there is something like the Rainbow Bridge and that this poor kitty now knows love and happiness finally. Candace >> Cheryl ... I am still conflicted over the decision I had to >> make. I have never been one to beat myself up with "what ifs" >> after making the best decision at the time so ... this too will >> pass. > > Yeah, I can tell that. I really can. Please, I hope this not sarcasm. > But I was really pulling for Conan. I conveyed to the shelter Conan being well socialized. That alone put him on a fast track to a foster home for care and treatment whereas. "If he were a chronic pisser, fighter, etc then his chances for foster care would be much lower," said the shelter worker. > Now the thing I worry about is that kittens can come down > with URI much more easily than older cats, and its harder to > resolve. When I pick up the new kitten, his total time in the shelter will have been four days and not in the general population. But who knows what airborne diseases find their way into the lungs of animals? Keep in mind, Conan had more going on that JUST a respiratory infection. snip > When you get > your little tabby baby, and if you can't get help from the vet, and > you feel at your wits end and feel like you're going to lose > him/her, please ask for help. Among all of the flames and > ridiculousness, we will help you with your kitten. It's all about > the cats here. My vet (if I dropped her name here you'd know her clinic) is quite capable. Thank you for your offer. Sadly, this forum is not "all about the cats." I am wiser and still a bit gun shy after the first go 'round here and will not give any of you another opportunity to shread me again. The member here with the most to offer have proven to be the worst offenders. Phillip wrote: Keep in mind, Conan had > more going on that JUST a respiratory infection. OK, then what? WHAT did he have "going on", exactly? Sherry > Phillip wrote: > Keep in mind, Conan had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry And are we really to believe that a high-kill shelter as Philip called it is really going to foster a cat that has a serious illness? If it's just a URI, maybe, although I doubt it, but if it's something bad then they are not going to bother. They have plenty of healthy cats and it's not cost-effective to nurse a sick one back to health. Do you agree as I know you are active in your shelter? Candace > > Phillip wrote: > > Keep in mind, Conan had [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Do you agree as I know you are active in your shelter? A high-kill shelter? You're right. Conan is a goner. If it's high-kill, like a municipal shelter, and the cat is sick with *anything*--let's all get real for a minute. This is kitten season. They're probably inundated with cats right now, just like everyone else. Sherry Sherry > Candace > A high-kill shelter? You're right. Conan is a goner. If it's high-kill, > like a municipal shelter, and the cat is sick with *anything*--let's > all get real for a minute. This is kitten season. They're probably > inundated with cats right now, just like everyone else. He said it was very high kill last week when he posted the ultimatum on Conan to be better by 6/15 or back he would go. Unfortunately, I can't find the post right now... Candace > > A high-kill shelter? You're right. Conan is a goner. If it's high-kill, > > like a municipal shelter, and the cat is sick with *anything*--let's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Conan to be better by 6/15 or back he would go. Unfortunately, I can't > find the post right now... I remember it. > When I pick up the new kitten, his total time in the shelter will have > been four days and not in the general population. But who knows what > airborne diseases find their way into the lungs of animals? Keep in mind, > Conan had more going on that JUST a respiratory infection. So what was it? What else did he have? The kittens not being in the shelter long is absolutely no guarantee that they will not get something. I don't know what this shelter does to prepare kittens for adoption since it's a high-kill municipal place. I have fostered many, many kittens and can tell you just about every litter has had some type of illness, and they were not in the shelter. They came straight from whereever they were (someone's house, animal control, etc) to me. Kittens born outside often have worms, earmites, fleas, and coccidia just to name a few. I had a litter once with giardia that would not clear up, it took months. Even indoor born kittens can have problems too. I have dealt with some nasty URI's in kittens. > Sadly, this forum is not "all about the cats." I am wiser and still a > bit gun shy after the first go 'round here and will not give any of you > another opportunity to shread me again. The member here with the most to > offer have proven to be the worst offenders. I tried to help you with Conan, even though I don't like you personally, but you stopped posting about him. Then you keep insulting me with all of that silly woman crap. Signature-Kelly > > When I pick up the new kitten, his total time in the shelter will have > > been four days and not in the general population. But who knows what [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > you stopped posting about him. Then you keep insulting me with all of that > silly woman crap. EVERYONE tried to help him with Conan. Even after he announced that he would give him until Weds. (yesterday) to get better or send him to his death. Philip's sense of entitlement is astounding. It is, indeed, all about the cats. How the hell does he expect people who love them to accept what he has done? Especially after seeing photos of Conan and hearing about him? Yes, it is all about the cats and keeping monsters like Philip as far away from them as possible. He will throw the kitten away at the first sign of trouble.They're all dispensible if they become a pain in the a.s. On Thu 16 Jun 2005 12:40:58a, Philip wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:up7se.5313$VK4.659 @newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net): >>> Cheryl ... I am still conflicted over the decision I had to >>> make. I have never been one to beat myself up with "what ifs" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Please, I hope this not sarcasm. It is sincere. I'm not looking for excuses or anything, and I've done a little time as a rescuer/fosterer and I know not everyone is like us "hardcore cat people". I've also had to endure what seemed like critisism from my own parents when they would find out how much money and time I've spent on my cats when they get ill or have serious behavioral issues. They just wouldn't do it. Not many would. To me that's sad. >> But I was really pulling for Conan. I'm glad you wrote the shelters name and number so that all of the hardcore cat people here could do what they could for Conan. I sincerely wish you the best with your new kitten and we're sending good thoughts that he stays healthy. He's sure cute. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > On Thu 16 Jun 2005 12:40:58a, Philip wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:up7se.5313$VK4.659 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > sincerely wish you the best with your new kitten and we're sending > good thoughts that he stays healthy. He's sure cute. Thank you for your concerns and efforts .... without 97% of the rude, crude, judgemental, low class, verbal abuse. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/BigRedKitty/KittenOnLap.jpg >> On Thu 16 Jun 2005 12:40:58a, Philip wrote in >> rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:up7se.5313$VK4.659 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Thank you for your concerns and efforts .... without 97% of the rude, > crude, judgemental, low class, verbal abuse. OOPS ... I thought I was addressing Pam. >>> On Thu 16 Jun 2005 12:40:58a, Philip wrote in >>> rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:up7se.5313$VK4.659 [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >OOPS ... I thought I was addressing Pam. Alzheimer's is an ugly thing..... eq >> My vet did the customary first office visit on the third day >> (June4). The following Saturday (June11), the follow up evaluation [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't know any vet who would say "cut your losses". > RIP Conan. You don't know many vets and you certainly do not know mine. What you may not have considered is that woman to woman vocabulary is different than woman to man vocabulary. An effective communicator is practiced in both styles. Thank you for sparing me an emotional outburst. > You don't know many vets and you certainly do not know mine. How do you know how many vets I know? I'm one of those fanatical rescue nutjobs, so wouldn't you think I know a few vets? >What you may not have considered is that woman to woman vocabulary is >different than woman to man vocabulary. An effective communicator is >practiced in both styles. WTF does that have to do with anything? I don't care if it's a woman speaking to a man, "cut your losses" is a pretty damn cold thing to say. Who knows, maybe your vet is just an unfeeling person like you. Signature-Kelly >> You don't know many vets and you certainly do not know mine. > > How do you know how many vets I know? I'm one of those fanatical > rescue nutjobs, so wouldn't you think I know a few vets? VERY safe bet. Add up the total number of vets you have done business with and compare that to the total number of vets in the USA ... or whatever country you are a resident. See .... you do not know very many vets. >> What you may not have considered is that woman to woman vocabulary >> is different than woman to man vocabulary. An effective [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > speaking to a man, "cut your losses" is a pretty damn cold thing to > say. As you have just proven, a person schooled and practiced in effective communication you are not. What is "cold" in your ears can be a welcome, matter-of-fact recommendation in the ears of another considering the known choices available. Ever wonder why men equate dating women to buying used cars? Or in baseball terminology? You could start out with a helpful little book called "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" on the subject of communications between the sexes. > Ever wonder why men equate dating women to buying used cars? Or in > baseball terminology? > > You could start out with a helpful little book called "Men are from Mars, > Women are from Venus" on the subject of communications between the sexes. Oh please. I'm sick of your crap. f.ck off. Signature-Kelly > > Ever wonder why men equate dating women to buying used cars? Or in > > baseball terminology? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh please. I'm sick of your crap. f.ck off. Happily, he is old and sick and will die fairly soon. Yes, I am serious, I will be happy when Philip dies of whatever natural causes will get him, and can no longer f.ck with any cats or the people who love them. Until that happy day, life is far too short to bother with him. >> Ever wonder why men equate dating women to buying used cars? Or in >> baseball terminology? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh please. I'm sick of your crap. f.ck off. I am sure I do not understand what you are really trying (feebly) to say. Come again, won't you? >> WTF does that have to do with anything? I don't care if it's a >> woman speaking to a man, "cut your losses" is a pretty damn [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > from Mars, Women are from Venus" on the subject of > communications between the sexes. Ever wonder why the ratio of single women to single men is so off? Not that there are more lesbians, but because maybe women aren't going to put up with it any more. Women on the most part are more sensitive (with the exception of Mary) and you've just proven it with a simple thread and a couple of weeks with a sick cat who really needed you. You can't deny that you felt a bond with Conan while you were trying to make him well. If you do, well, then maybe there is another difference between men and women. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> WTF does that have to do with anything? I don't care if it's a >>> woman speaking to a man, "cut your losses" is a pretty damn [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Not that there are more lesbians, but because maybe women aren't > going to put up with it any more. Womens Lib ... liberated men FROM women and made it desireable for women to behave like men which ... is against their nature. > Women on the most part are more sensitive (with the exception of > Mary) and you've just proven it with a simple thread and a couple > of weeks with a sick cat who really needed you. You can't deny that > you felt a bond with Conan while you were trying to make him well. > If you do, well, then maybe there is another difference between men > and women. The "sensitivity" is different ... not "more." Is there something you are expecting me to respond to here? On Thu 16 Jun 2005 12:05:13a, Philip wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:ZT6se.5061$eM6.1257 @newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net): > Is there something you are expecting me to respond to here? LOL No. It was way past my bedtime, I was tired and ranting. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields (...) > I don't know any vet who would say "cut your losses". > RIP Conan. You think not? A friend of mine has a cat, and a new baby. Apparently, the cat was occasionally attacking - not 'seriously' - the kid. When the owners / parents spoke to the vet about what to do about the issue, vet suggested killing the cat. True. Steve. > You think not? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve. That's really sad then. I hope they didn't take the vet's "advice". Signature-Kelly >> You think not? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That's really sad then. I hope they didn't take the vet's "advice". But you hope the baby will survive future cat attacks until such time the baby-child gets big enough to toss the cat out a closed window? Hmmm? There are child endangerment laws that deal specifically with maintaining any animal in the home that attacks infants and children. The cat goes. > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Steve. Oh, man. That is a *horrible* story. Our vets sometimes just downright refuse to euthanize a healthy cat for no good reason. They send the people to us. I honestly thought all vets were probably like that. > Oh, man. That is a *horrible* story. Our vets sometimes just downright > refuse to euthanize a healthy cat for no good reason. They send the > people to us. I honestly thought all vets were probably like that. I would hope all vets would be like that. But then again, a lot of them declaw cats :( Lauren > > <snip> > >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Please people ... just calm down. Gah. You make me sick. Your plonkability(TM) just went through the roof. Unfortunately, I can't plonk. Or I would. I'm just gonna have to skip over your posts. I don't want to hear about your wonderful new cat. Gag. Sherry The > > following Saturday (June11), the follow up evaluation was "Cut your loses > > now ... Conan's condition is not simple URI." Then what was it? In the highly unlikely event the vet did say that, wouldn't a *human* owner want to know before sentencing the cat to death? Six days of hand/force > > feeding 2-3 times a day with additional symptoms appearing was not up to the > > vet's standards nor mine. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > skip over your posts. I don't want to hear about your wonderful new > cat. Gag. Wonderful until the cat gets sick. Then he becomes another 'euthanasia candidate' who will be replaced in a week. To matters worse, he doesn't even show any remorse. I'd wish the next cat pisses on his head and tries to cover it while he's sleeping if I didn't know it would be death-wish. The absolute worst part of animal welfare work is people like him. Phil > > > <snip> > > >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > skip over your posts. I don't want to hear about your wonderful new > cat. Gag. Shewwy. I towd you how to go and pay $3.95 one time and have a news server forever that you can use with OE and killfile to your heart's content. Do we know where Philip lives? > > > > <snip> > > > >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > news server forever that you can use with OE and killfile to your heart's > content. <whi-i-i-i-ne> But OE is so unstable. You don't understand. I'm not only a mouth-breathing AOL user, but a Dell owner too. > Do we know where Philip lives? Duh. You want I should whack him, boss? Sherry > <whi-i-i-i-ne> But OE is so unstable. You don't understand. I'm not > only a mouth-breathing AOL user, but a Dell owner too. I am an AOHeller, too. I use mozilla. It rules. It is stable. I get no viruses. I can PLONK! (though i dont...unless it's one of those whack jobs from a cross posting group...those are the only ones I wont waste my time reading) you can doooo eeet! > > <whi-i-i-i-ne> But OE is so unstable. You don't understand. I'm not > > only a mouth-breathing AOL user, but a Dell owner too. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > you can doooo eeet! So is Mozilla your news server and news reader? >>><whi-i-i-i-ne> But OE is so unstable. You don't understand. I'm not >>>only a mouth-breathing AOL user, but a Dell owner too. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So is Mozilla your news server and news reader? I am one of those weirdos that has Comcast and AOL. (I just wont give up my AOL) When AOL dropped usenet, i got mozilla. I still use comcast as my server but mozilla as my reader. Pam >>>> <whi-i-i-i-ne> But OE is so unstable. You don't understand. I'm not >>>> only a mouth-breathing AOL user, but a Dell owner too. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pam http://www.patik.com/guides/usenet Check out this link. This is how I learned to set up mozilla and it also tells you how to get a free news server or something. Let me know if it helps. Pam > > > > > <snip> > > > > >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Duh. You want I should whack him, boss? Well, nice as that might be, neither of us are well-suited for prison. I just want to be very specific in the target of my dark thoughts. There are some good people in LA. I would hate to miss and f.ck them up, you know? ;) > <snip> > >Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Poor cat. I never doubted he would. I hate people like Philip. I hate Philip. > The true test of how many cats is enough is: Invite a neighbor in for > coffee. Watch their reaction to seeing the number of cats you have. Take [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > home for the first time. I wonder what Noah would think about all this? Congratulations on your forthcoming cat! I know you guys are excited. (just don't lock your keys in the car) >> The true test of how many cats is enough is: Invite a neighbor in >> for coffee. Watch their reaction to seeing the number of cats you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Congratulations on your forthcoming cat! I know you guys are excited. > (just don't lock your keys in the car) Some accountings of the Great Flood indicate God put all the animals into a deep sleep ... like hibernation. I've since put a hide-a-key box behind the radiator grill. LOL Pictures when practical. "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:0U3se.5020> The true test of how many cats is enough is: Invite a neighbor in for > coffee. Watch their reaction to seeing the number of cats you have. Take > note of their reluctance to sit on anything upholstered. Watch their face > for wrinkled nose or flinching eyes. Lets see. We have ONE cat. That would be a solo, singular feline. Not two, not twenty two. One cat. The majority of our neighbors absolutely DESPISE our cat, and wrinkle their nose and flinch when he comes near them. We do have dander, and although we have several cat boxes for this ONE cat, and the boxes are freshened regularly and cleaned at least 2-3 times daily, our house smells like cat. It isn't just the neighbors, I can smell it and I can't stand the odor. So, your true test is just a true joke. Sorry. > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:0U3se.5020> The true test of how many cats is enough is: Invite [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So, your true test is just a true joke. Sorry. You're not sorry. You are offended that I spoke the truth. But thank you for sharing. I will side with your guests. ONE cat has the capacity to foul a home all by itself with indiscriminate chronic urination (not saying that you cat is doing so). Another frequent problem is homes where the windows and doors are closed all day and night (as much as possible) and the room temperatures are up. There are solutions. Another frequent source of litter box-like smell are kitchen garbage cans with opened cans of cat food inside. > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > home for the first time. You assfuck. When is Conan being killed? This is too sad of a story. How can you show yourself here anymore? Candace > > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > > home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Candace I hate him, Candace. I honestly hate him. For all the words exchanged over the years, this is the first time I have actually hated anyone who posts here. Did you see that beautiful boy? Who thought he had a loving and forever home and is now gone to his death? >> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement >> comes home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Candace What a delightful, spirited, and colorful vocabulary you have. Wildly active imagination too! > > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > > home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Candace What happened to Conan? > > > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > > > home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What happened to Conan? after posting photos and telling us all about what a great boy he is, Philip gave him ten days to get over his URI or go back to the kill shelter to his death. And sent him back yesterday. > "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws@anonymous.to> wrote in message > > What happened to Conan? > > after posting photos and telling us all about what a great boy he is, > Philip gave him ten days to get over his URI or go back to the kill > shelter to his death. And sent him back yesterday. UGH!!!!!!!!! and didn't he post that he is now getting another cat? What a sick piece of work :( > > Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's replacement comes > > home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Candace Just the thought that anyone could say "replacement" like that after dumping his previous cat is so disgusting! ugh! >>> Our house will be a one cat home again tomorrow. Conan's >>> replacement comes home for the first time. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Just the thought that anyone could say "replacement" like that after > dumping his previous cat is so disgusting! ugh! I'm not grieving and anguishing to your satisfaction. Have you ever noticed that widowers get remarried much sooner than widows? Think about it in those terms. :^) >> Just the thought that anyone could say "replacement" like that after >> dumping his previous cat is so disgusting! ugh! > >I'm not grieving and anguishing to your satisfaction. Have you ever noticed >that widowers get remarried much sooner than widows? Think about it in >those terms. :^) Well, most of them didn't cause the situation. You wouldn't have needed a "replacement" if you hadn't sent Conan back to the shelter. What happened to all that joy when you brought him home? It was obviously that he had chosen you, and you seemed pretty happy about that. What changed? The only negative I saw in the initial posts was the biting issue, but that seemed pretty small compared to the joy. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>> Just the thought that anyone could say "replacement" like that after >>> dumping his previous cat is so disgusting! ugh! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Well, most of them didn't cause the situation. Oh I beg to differ! Just look at the actuary tables. ;^) Married men live longer than single men but still die younger than their wives. > You wouldn't have needed a "replacement" if you hadn't sent Conan > back to the shelter. Hindsight is always 20/20 because ... it never gets tested. Nobody here knows from the treating veterinary if Conan would have died from starvation or whatever was -actually- going on with him had he not been treated hospitalized at considerable expense ... which is what my veterinary presented to me. I won't dwell on this much longer because the deal is done with a decision made on "qualified" information at the time. My concern going forward is whether to get a new vet or have a bit of soul bearing with my vet. I am not going through all this crap again. > What happened to all that joy when you brought him home? It was > obviously that he had chosen you, and you seemed pretty happy about > that. What changed? What happened? Guess you have not been following the threads. > The only negative I saw in the initial posts was the biting issue, but > that seemed pretty small compared to the joy. Biting and nipping settled down by the second vet visit ten days into ownership. Just a little trust issue. Conan is really a very well mannered cat but .... quickly turned sickly after the first day with no improvement by the 6th day of hand / force feeding (day 13 of ownership). >>> I'm not grieving and anguishing to your satisfaction. Have you ever >>> noticed that widowers get remarried much sooner than widows? Think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Oh I beg to differ! Just look at the actuary tables. ;^) Married men >live longer than single men but still die younger than their wives. Certainly less direct than you taking Conan back to the shelter. You were getting a replacement because you *chose* to get rid of the first one. That was *your* choice. >> What happened to all that joy when you brought him home? It was >> obviously that he had chosen you, and you seemed pretty happy about >> that. What changed? > >What happened? Guess you have not been following the threads. Yes, I have. How does that negate the joy you initially had? Why would the illness make you not love him anymore? Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >>> I'm not grieving and anguishing to your satisfaction. Have you ever > >>> noticed that widowers get remarried much sooner than widows? Think [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yes, I have. How does that negate the joy you initially had? Why would > the illness make you not love him anymore? You know, Meghan this is what made Conan's return to the shelter so hard for me. In the initial posts Philip made about him for the first time Philip seemed like a human being, and seemed to be smitten with Conan. Only a heinous person could feel that and ditch it due to convenience. Most importantly: he should not be responsible for any living thing. If this is what he did with a cat he was so taken by, how will the kitten fare? >You know, Meghan this is what made Conan's return to the shelter so >hard for me. In the initial posts Philip made about him for the first time >Philip seemed like a human being, and seemed to be smitten with >Conan. Only a heinous person could feel that and ditch it due to >convenience. Yes, that is what really hit me. I was really happy for him, and I really thought he had found the perfect match. Everything seemed great. And after recently adopting a cat without planning to, and finding him to be an absolute joy, I could really relate to that. So, to find out that he just gave him back was heartbreaking. And then the "replacement" was adding insult to injury. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can somebody love an animal, and then get rid of it, without any remorse or anything. And because of a cold? Geez. Cats don't do well in moving. Even moving to a new house when the family moves is a stressful thing. To go to a shelter is stressful, and then to a new home with new people, scary smells, maybe other pets, and new foods. It's surprising that more cats don't get sick. Shoot. I wasn't even planning to adopt Jay Jay. I went to that cat show as a vendor. I wasn't looking for a cat. I spent $75 to adopt him. Then needed to get a new litter box since he was huge compared to my other cats, and some other new supplies. I spent $80 there. And then within a week, he was having major diarhea because of the new food and stress with the move-in. He was afraid of dogs, and we have two. So, I spent more than a $100 there. So, that was $250 in a week when I wasn't even planning to get a cat. And I missed two days of work from getting sick myself, so it was a tough week. I certainly hadn't included that in my budget. And I almost took him back as he went 3 days without any bowel movements after the diarhea quit. I was actually getting ready to take him when he finally produced something. I never thought I would celebrate a piece of poop :) Since then, I have changed his food again. He was gaining weight on the regular chow. I've always free fed, so having a former neglected cat who wasn't fed on a regular basis - well, he chows more than he should. So, he gained weight in a hurry. He won't eat any of the canned that I have tried. He also has pretty stinky poop. I bet Philip would be horrified at the smell this cat can produce. I am hopeful that once he is completely switched to the new food that the smell will go down. I've been taking it slow in switching him since he had such trouble before. I would also add that he doesn't cover his poop, so that only makes the smell worse. He does paw at the litter, but he paws up front and doesn't get it anywhere near the pile. So, in my 29 years of having cats, I have never smelled something so bad so consistently. But this is an awesome cat, and I can't imagine giving up my boy. God help anybody who tries to get him away from me. I'm even thinking of showing him in the household pet class at a few shows to promote the shelter, especially at the show next year as the anniversary of his adoption day. And I have his photo on my business catalog since he isn't in my group photo. This winter, I will do a new group photo for the Zoo Crew. But I will wait awhile. As much as I want to add him, I am relunctant to remove Maynard. So, I have his photo below the group photo and a statement introducing him as the newest member of the crew. Also, 5 years ago, my mom found a cat who had been hit by a car. We did not have to pay for his vet bills. But my mom, after spending just two hours with him, wanted to be sure of his future and opted to pay the vet bills (over $700) so that we could find him a home. During that time, I fell in love with him, and he became mine. He was a stray, with no history, yet we loved him anyway. He only lived 2 1/2 weeks, and I only knew him for 2 weeks since I did not see him at the vet before he came home. He arrived home with disgusting drool that just hung there because his mouth was wired open, and his nasal passages were swollen shut. I actually got nauseous looking at him. And he stunk with blood still matted in his fur. But he was such a great cat with an awesome personality, that I really did devleop a relationship (and a history) with him in that short time. I spent hours just brushing out the gunk in his fur, feeding him, and cleaning off the drool. Within 2 days, he decided he did not want to be sequestered, so I took him to my bedroom and set him up on my bed. I had towels all over the place because of his accidents. (He also sprayed). It was a tough two weeks, but I loved him so much anyway. And to this day, the day that he died still remains the worst day of my life so far. That is how much he touched me in that short time. I still cry when I think of him. Yet I know he was luckier than Conan has been so far. He may not have lived, but he experienced true love. He had a home and knew he was a keeper. I cannot imagine somebody having a cat in their home for 10-14 days and then just returning them as if it was no big deal. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > He only lived 2 1/2 weeks, and I only knew him for 2 weeks since I did > not see him at the vet before he came home. He arrived home with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > him up on my bed. I had towels all over the place because of his > accidents. (He also sprayed). That's very sad, Meghan. Did he die from complications of his surgery or what happened? How terribly awful but I'm glad he had you for his last days. There's so much sadness in the world that, really, anytime one contributes to it, it really harms everyone. I know that sounds hokey and it's the middle of the night but it's true. All the animals that have crappy, unloved lives...we owe it to them and everyone to not compound that pain but to make life better for as many beings as possible. Candace >> He only lived 2 1/2 weeks, and I only knew him for 2 weeks since I >> did not see him at the vet before he came home. He arrived home with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Candace Rubbish. There is so much happiness and joy in this world when you choose to see it. But when you choose to project your internal unhappiness onto the world, it's little wonder that you could make the above statement, Candace. > > There's so much sadness in the world that, really, anytime one > > contributes to it, it really harms everyone. I know that sounds hokey [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Rubbish. There is so much happiness and joy in this world when you choose > to see it. ...and ignore the suffering and unhappiness of others. Life must be grand for you- not being inconvenienced or burdened with a conscience or compassion. > > > There's so much sadness in the world that, really, anytime one > > > contributes to it, it really harms everyone. I know that sounds hokey [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for you- not being inconvenienced or burdened with a conscience or > compassion. I bask in the happy things--my own deep satisfaction and happiness with the life I have built, among other things. Part of what makes me happy is trying to alleviate suffering for other creatures when I can. >> > There's so much sadness in the world that, really, anytime one >> > contributes to it, it really harms everyone. I know that sounds hokey [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >for you- not being inconvenienced or burdened with a conscience or >compassion. Just re-posting! |
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