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I adopted a stray cat who was diagnosed with FIV.

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graciedv - 15 Jun 2005 04:04 GMT
Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decide
to adopt him because he is so sweet and follows us around like a puppy
We took him to the vet to be neutured etc.  and found out he has FIV.
Does anyone have experience with this?

We have another indoor cat who is used to being queen of the castl
about 10 years old.  How do we go about introducing them?  

Any other safety precautions/tips?

How many days should you keep cats in separate rooms when introducing
new cat before you know for sure they won't fight?

Thanks :-

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graciedv
KellyH - 15 Jun 2005 12:51 GMT
> Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decided
> to adopt him because he is so sweet and follows us around like a puppy.
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>
> Thanks :-)

FIV is only transmitted through deep bite wounds.  An FIV+ cat and an FIV-
cat can coexist in perfect harmony.
Since the new cat was just neutered, I would keep him separated at the
minimum for a week, let his hormones calm down.  There is no set time for
separation for intros.  What I usually do is first exchange something with
each cat's scent on it, like I would take the bed out of the new cat's room
and swap it with your other cat's bed.  Let them get to know each other's
scent.  Then open the door a crack, and they will sniff each other.  If
hissing ensues, then I close the door and try again another time.  I start
letting the new cat out for supervised visits with the other cat and see how
it goes.
Others have advice for more involved intros.  I've been lucky that I haven't
really had to do those.  My cats have usually accepted a newcomer in a
couple days to a week.

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-Kelly

Smokie Darling (Annie) - 15 Jun 2005 15:09 GMT
> > Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decided
> > to adopt him because he is so sweet and follows us around like a puppy.
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>
> FIV is only transmitted through deep bite wounds.

Not true, at least in my case.  Madison (RB) may have gotten FIV that
way, but he didn't transmit it to Tuppence by a deep bite.  She was
spayed, he wasn't at first.  He died of it, she has been hanging in
since 95 (or 94, I can't remember when she was dx'd).  They never
fought, and would only occasionally wrestle with nips, but no deep
bites.

Until we got her FIV under "control", we were told that we could not
get any new cats until she died.  The vets in the area knew I had her
(it was shared around through a "memo" kind of thing).  After we got it
controlled (to their satisfaction) we were allowed to get a new cat.

None of the others has ever tested positive for it, and they are
checked every other year.

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Smokie Darling (Annie)
Karen - 15 Jun 2005 17:52 GMT
> > > Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decided
> > > to adopt him because he is so sweet and follows us around like a puppy.
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> None of the others has ever tested positive for it, and they are
> checked every other year.

Do you suppose she actually had it all along?  I mean, it can be dormant. It
seems every clinical paper I've seen says they really think it's bite wounds
(or probably copulation too) that transmits it.
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 15 Jun 2005 18:15 GMT
> > > > Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decided
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> > > > --
> > > > graciedv
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> seems every clinical paper I've seen says they really think it's bite wounds
> (or probably copulation too) that transmits it.

Well, in Denver (where I got her), the vet at Fitzsimmons Army Medical
Center was new, and he wanted to run a bunch of blood tests, just
because.  Once I was assured that they wouldn't be taking tons and tons
of blood (she was only 6 weeks old when I "rescued" her from some
meanies), I agreed that he could run his gamut of tests.  Everything
came back normal (although some of her levels were low, since she
hadn't been properly weaned< <imo only).

I had asked the vet who diagnosed her (Bingham) if it were possible
(that she'd had it longer and nothing to do with Maddy), and he said
anything was.  He had been studying FIV in cats, and didn't have any
"live" ones (he asked for and received permission to necropsy Madison).
He told me that FIV cats could live long, relatively productive lives
if cared for.  I asked if it would cause her pain, and he said no,
so...  He also wanted to study a live cat with FIV.

She was born 1/31/89, and was diagnosed in Spring of either 94 or 95.
Could it have remained undetected that long?  Because she has always
been so skinny, whenever I took her in for her check up, the vet always
ran a full panel.  Since finding she has FIV, I discovered that Bingham
(who'd been her vet from 92 through 99) had been testing all my babies
for FIV.

Madison slipped in through the cracks (he was my brother's cat and when
R moved, I got Maddy), and wasn't taken to a vet (R had records of
Maddy's shots, so I waited until their normal visit< < <stupid, stupid,
stupid, stupid!).  I've never done that since, but it's too late to cry
over it now.

He (Bingham) said that he believed it was from some of the "nips"
though they barely broke the skin.  They had put her "under" to clean
her teeth, then shaved off all her hair, we do this every year, because
she mats so bad and her teeth were never great (still think it was
being weaned too soon that contributes to that).  She didn't have any
scars from bite marks (and considering Maddy's teeth, she would have
gotten infected if it'd been deep).

She's still around, but I think she's beginning to see the bridge, and
it's breaking my heart.  So far, still eating alright, but I can see
I'm going to have to make a tough decision sooner than I'd like.

Smokie Darling (Annie)
Karen - 15 Jun 2005 20:32 GMT
> She was born 1/31/89, and was diagnosed in Spring of either 94 or 95.
> Could it have remained undetected that long?  Because she has always
> been so skinny, whenever I took her in for her check up, the vet always
> ran a full panel.  Since finding she has FIV, I discovered that Bingham
> (who'd been her vet from 92 through 99) had been testing all my babies
> for FIV.

I think so. It seems I read (I'm sure someone here can correct any misinfo
here) that it can be dormant many years. I'm thinking the longest I've heard
it like 8 years. At any rate, I would just bet she had it, but it just
didn't blow up until later. Did he run panels later than when she was such a
young kitten? Because I believe that you have to keep testing past 6 months
of age to be sure.
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 15 Jun 2005 21:40 GMT
> > She was born 1/31/89, and was diagnosed in Spring of either 94 or 95.
> > Could it have remained undetected that long?  Because she has always
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> young kitten? Because I believe that you have to keep testing past 6 months
> of age to be sure.

>From 92 until present, the panels are/were run every year (especially
on the negatives).  Anything is possible, but considering that she was
being tested and never tested positive until Maddy was in the house,
that's what I'm thinking happened.

Smokie Darling (Annie)
KellyH - 15 Jun 2005 19:32 GMT
> Not true, at least in my case.  Madison (RB) may have gotten FIV that
> way, but he didn't transmit it to Tuppence by a deep bite.  She was
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> None of the others has ever tested positive for it, and they are
> checked every other year.

Sorry if I spread misinformation.  Everything I've ever read says FIV is
transmitted through deep bite wounds and/or intercourse.  Could it be that
Tuppence mounted her while he was unneutered?

One more thing to add for the OP:  Get a Western Blot test for FIV.  The
"snap" test that is done at the vet's office can sometimes be incorrect,
I've seen it happen.  The Western Blot is a little more costly (about $50, I
think) but well worth it.

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-Kelly

Smokie Darling (Annie) - 15 Jun 2005 21:42 GMT
> > Not true, at least in my case.  Madison (RB) may have gotten FIV that
> > way, but he didn't transmit it to Tuppence by a deep bite.  She was
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> transmitted through deep bite wounds and/or intercourse.  Could it be that
> Tuppence mounted her while he was unneutered?

Well, that's always possible (Tuppence is the girl, Madison was my
brother's boy cat), but I'd think there would have been a heck of a
fight over it.

> One more thing to add for the OP:  Get a Western Blot test for FIV.  The
> "snap" test that is done at the vet's office can sometimes be incorrect,
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> --
> -Kelly

Smokie Darling (Annie) - who had heard any bite that breaks the skin
could pass it, deep or otherwise.
IBen Getiner - 17 Jun 2005 08:33 GMT
> Hi.  We've had a stray cat at our house for a month or so.  We decided
> to adopt him because he is so sweet and follows us around like a puppy.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> --
> graciedv

The best thing you could do for him would be to have him put to sleep.
Why do you want him to go on suffering?

                               IBen
Candace - 17 Jun 2005 09:02 GMT
> The best thing you could do for him would be to have him put to sleep.
> Why do you want him to go on suffering?

OP, don't listen to this neo-Nazi, white supremacist, racist piece of
crap.  His purpose is to stir up sh!t.

Her cat isn't suffering, bonehead.  Cats can live for years with FIV, a
totally normal lifespan.  She didn't say the cat was suffering.  It's
nice that she is keeping the cat and remaining levelheaded about the
FIV.

Put your hood back on.

Candace
IBen Getiner - 17 Jun 2005 21:41 GMT
> > The best thing you could do for him would be to have him put to sleep.
> > Why do you want him to go on suffering?
> >
> OP, don't listen to this neo-Nazi, white supremacist, racist piece of
> crap.  His purpose is to stir up sh!t.

Sticks 'n stones and all that jazz...

> Her cat isn't suffering, bonehead.

Oh, really? And just who told you this...? The cat?? LOL...!! Look, you
lying piece of Bowfin dung... I had a cat that died of that crap back
when they were first learning about it, and she died a very pitiful and
unpleasant death. And I say that putting her to sleep THEN would have
been a tender mercy to say the very least. But an unprejudiced,
open-minded tolerant individual like yourself should already know this.
So what gives...?

>  Cats can live for years with FIV, a
> totally normal lifespan.

Yes, and spread it to thousands of others who, if the above infected
cat was disposed of properly, would never have ever caught it! Stupid
little subhuman fukkker... You actually encourage this person to be
IRRESPONSIBLE and SELFISH. But AIDS and irresponsibility is something
that faggot pricks like you are reeeeeeeel up on, ain't it...?!

> She didn't say the cat was suffering.  It's
> nice that she is keeping the cat and remaining levelheaded about the
> FIV.

Oh, yes... By all means, let's be 'stylish'! Don't wanna be politically
incorrect around a cat with feline HIV! Might get all you faggot-queers
FREAKS down on us! LOL...!!!

> Put your hood back on.
>
> Candace

Let's hope it never has to come off. Then we might have to... get to
know each other a little better...

                           IBen Getiner
IBen Getiner - 17 Jun 2005 21:41 GMT
> > The best thing you could do for him would be to have him put to sleep.
> > Why do you want him to go on suffering?
> >
> OP, don't listen to this neo-Nazi, white supremacist, racist piece of
> crap.  His purpose is to stir up sh!t.

Sticks 'n stones and all that jazz...

> Her cat isn't suffering, bonehead.

Oh, really? And just who told you this...? The cat?? LOL...!! Look, you
lying piece of Bowfin dung... I had a cat that died of that crap back
when they were first learning about it, and she died a very pitiful and
unpleasant death. And I say that putting her to sleep THEN would have
been a tender mercy to say the very least. But an unprejudiced,
open-minded tolerant individual like yourself should already know this.
So what gives...?

>  Cats can live for years with FIV, a
> totally normal lifespan.

Yes, and spread it to thousands of others who, if the above infected
cat was disposed of properly, would never have ever caught it! Stupid
little subhuman fukkker... You actually encourage this person to be
IRRESPONSIBLE and SELFISH. But AIDS and irresponsibility is something
that faggot pricks like you are reeeeeeeel up on, ain't it...?!

> She didn't say the cat was suffering.  It's
> nice that she is keeping the cat and remaining levelheaded about the
> FIV.

Oh, yes... By all means, let's be 'stylish'! Don't wanna be politically
incorrect around a cat with feline HIV! Might get all you faggot-queer
FREAKS down on us! LOL...!!!

> Put your hood back on.
>
> Candace

Let's hope it never has to come off. Then we might have to... get to
know each other a little better...

                           IBen Getiner
Candace - 17 Jun 2005 09:11 GMT
> The best thing you could do for him would be to have him put to sleep.
> Why do you want him to go on suffering?

OP, don't listen to this neo-Nazi, white supremacist, racist piece of
crap.  His purpose is to stir up sh!t.

Her cat isn't suffering, bonehead.  Cats can live for years with FIV, a
totally normal lifespan.  She didn't say the cat was suffering.  It's
nice that she is keeping the cat and remaining levelheaded about the
FIV.

Put your hood back on.

Candace
 
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