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My visit with Megan's Menagerie
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Brian Link - 14 Jun 2005 06:09 GMT (Pictures to follow)
Since Megan gets a lot of crap from resident psychos here, and I usually express myself so inartfully, I had decided to hold off this post until now, when I saw this latest round of hateful posts. The usual maniacs will weigh in with their invective, but I've seen first hand the great work she does, and so decided to post a little more detail. She knows what she's talking about, and lies and suspicions about her brood of kitties are utterly without merit. First off, my sole purpose was to visit Henry (a stray we adopted that we were unable to integrate, who Megan subsequently rescued). Like a lot of folks here, finding out how many cats she fosters raised my eyebrows, but since she seemed pretty bright, knowledgeable and sane over the phone and in the first visits with Henry, I wasn't really worried that she was a hoarder. Though there are a lot of morons in this newsgroup who see her as Satan with a cat-fetish, it's pretty easy to spot their kookiness and ignore them. In fact, after wanting to visit Henry, seeing a houseful of cats was second on my list of interests. On top of it, she was having dinner, and my son was totally into that, even though he's not as big a cat nut as most of us here ( just big. And a teenager. I need say no more). I walked in the door and met the first wave of feline-greeters, and I was happy to see Henry among them! He was noticeably slimmer, and far-better groomed, though Megan's held off giving him a Marvin trim. With him were a gaggle of other cats, sniffing, some angling for a chance to zip out. The first thing Megan did once we were inside was to show me the permit from the city authorizing her to have a cluster of cats. I didn't think this was necessary, but she must have known that many folks have the same reaction seeing a houseful of cats. After all, what do we see on COPS, Animal Planet, the news and other sources regarding people with multiple cats? Invariably they're in a feces-filled wreck, with dozens of kittens everywhere, and frustrated uniforms trying to trap or net them. This was absolutely not what I saw. The first wave subsiding, Megan introduced us to her human guests, and gave me the tour of her place. Cats were seemingly everywhere, most of them napping or otherwise having their own little conversations or cat-fu sessions. She introduced me to everyone who was around, and gestured to the ones that were napping. Cat trees and shelves were everywhere, and it was 3D cats in every room. Cat on a rug, cat climbing a cat-tree, cat on a perch near the ceiling watching with feigned disinterest. We passed through the kitchen and I was totally delighted to see Henry batting around Marvin's bushy tail (Henry's a big guy, about 15 lbs, but Marvin is HUGE around 23 lbs iirc. He was impressively tolerant). We sat down to eat (rather, I joined my son as he started his second plate of spaghetti) and chatted with her other guests. The second wave of greeters came out, and sniffed and hopped on our laps. Princess fell in love with my son, and was chattering away about something very important at him, though sadly he doesn't speak cat. I think I saw about 90% of Megan's Menagerie that night. Every single one of them was happy, contented and napping -- or curious and playful.
There was no growling, no fighting, no panicked explosion of hidden cats as one came around the corner. All of their coats were beautiful and shiny (wet, premium cat food), their eyes were clear, and I took a look at ears, butts and teeth, knowing at some point I'd be testifying in front of the kooks and undecideds in this newsgroup. No pools of urine or piles of feces, no evil smells of defecation or disease, but a bevy of clean, odor-free litter boxes. No closetfulls of kittens, no open wounds, no volumes of "How To Prepare Curried Cat" sitting on the shelves. That I feel compelled to make this defense is a sad commentary on the warped views of the resident kooks and nutcases on RPCHB. But it occurs to me that the newbie who can't recognize a kook at first glance might actually ignore the solid advice Megan gives, or if given the opportunity to work with her would turn her down because of misinformation. I have no vested interest. Megan doesn't pay me. She got my family and an incredibly wonderful stray (and an intransigent Bengal as well) out of a horrible predicament. She helped me move Louis back towards continence (one week and counting). Her advice is sound and verifiable, and her critics are simple Usenet kooks. I know this may come off as a panygeric. Lord knows I can see people's issues with Megan's personality. With her, it's about the cat, and whether the owner and cat have the proper understanding of each other. I trusted her handling Henry, and after this visit, I trust her even more. This was a houseful of extremely varied, beautiful, happy, healthy cats. They are lucky to own a human like Megan. BLink
Phil P. - 14 Jun 2005 06:49 GMT > She knows what she's talking about, How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- you're another dim- witted babbling idiot.
Brian Link - 14 Jun 2005 08:24 GMT >> She knows what she's talking about, > >How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and >turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- >you're another dim- witted babbling idiot. Once again, I am awed by your command of logic and the reasoned rebuttal.
Perhaps when you are sober, you could give me a response I could discuss with you.
Looking forward to our future chats.
BLink
Phil P. - 14 Jun 2005 09:32 GMT > >> She knows what she's talking about, > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Once again, I am awed by your command of logic and the reasoned > rebuttal. Rebut what, your blather?
> Looking forward to our future chats. If I were you, I wouldn't be.
Brian Link - 15 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT >> >> She knows what she's talking about, >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >If I were you, I wouldn't be. Aw crap. You're even more useless than Mary.
Well, at least I'm building a list of the nutjobs to ignore on this newsgroup - till I need some entertainment.
BLink
Mary - 14 Jun 2005 15:29 GMT > >> She knows what she's talking about, > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Perhaps when you are sober, you could give me a response I could > discuss with you. This from a man who keeps complaining that his cats keep him up by knocking beer bottles off of the table all night.
Brian Link - 15 Jun 2005 03:39 GMT >> >> She knows what she's talking about, >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >This from a man who keeps complaining that his cats keep him up >by knocking beer bottles off of the table all night. Aw, you're not even gonna give me credit for a great come-back? That was really funny.
Still convinced you're a bot.
Tell me - what was on the front page of the New York Times today? That's a nice Turing..
BLink
John Doe - 14 Jun 2005 10:54 GMT Troll
> Path: newssvr31.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:51:52 -0500 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- > you're another dim- witted babbling idiot. Mary - 14 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT > Troll Oh yes, John. I imagine this is because Phil (and everyone else) knows that cats are not displaying submissive behavior when they lie on their backs, as you claimed?
Pfft.
Brian Link - 15 Jun 2005 03:41 GMT >> Troll > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Pfft. Wow - do you keep a notebook or something? If your encyclopedic knowledge of cats were closer to your encyclopedic knowledge of each of your adversaries' posts, you might actually be able to contribute something here other than comic relief.
BLink
Joe Canuck - 14 Jun 2005 12:57 GMT >>She knows what she's talking about, > > How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and > turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- > you're another dim- witted babbling idiot. Hairballs are pepperoni sticks with hair.
Turds are plain pepperoni sticks.
;)
Mary - 14 Jun 2005 15:28 GMT > > She knows what she's talking about, > > How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and > turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- > you're another dim- witted babbling idiot. But worse, poor Henry. The woman Megan assured Brian would grow to love him and keep him did not, just as I expected due to her cold reception of him. Poor Henry.
Brian Link - 15 Jun 2005 03:42 GMT >> > She knows what she's talking about, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >grow to love him and keep him did not, just as I expected due to >her cold reception of him. Poor Henry. Eh - you just have a selective memory.
That's fine. You're harmless.
BLink
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 05:15 GMT > >> > She knows what she's talking about, > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's fine. You're harmless. Poor Henry. It must be like being in a shelter.
Brian Link - 15 Jun 2005 05:51 GMT >> >> > She knows what she's talking about, >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Poor Henry. It must be like being in a shelter. Good god.. you're approaching "useless to respond to".
What about Herny's disposition warrants "Poor Henry"? He's happy.
How is a happy house, integrated with other cats in a wonderful home, playing with them, watched over by a cat expert like "a shelter"?
Wait I know -- "Poor Henry - you're such a bastard", which of course is no answer.
However, this is all Google-able, and I want to set the record straight that you're just a harridan.
PLEASE seek some help Mary - your disease is treatable. Do so before you actually own a cat and can do damage to it.
BLink
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 06:00 GMT "Brian Link" <blink@visi.com> wrote :
> >> That's fine. You're harmless. > > > >Poor Henry. It must be like being in a shelter. > > Good god.. you're approaching "useless to respond to". Well, what a shame.
> What about Herny's disposition warrants "Poor Henry"? He's happy. I'm sure he is. He lived with you for six months, then got shuffled off to that woman's place and now is living in a one-bedroom apartment with 23 other cats.
> How is a happy house, integrated with other cats in a wonderful home, > playing with them, watched over by a cat expert like "a shelter"? The only difference I can see is that a shelter is bigger.
> Wait I know -- "Poor Henry - you're such a bastard", which of course > is no answer. I didn't--and never have--said a thing about you being a bastard. I just said "poor Henry." He thought he had a home, and he didn't. He thought he had another home, and he did not. And now he's in a one-bedroom apartment with 23 other cats. I think it is sad.
> However, this is all Google-able, and I want to set the record > straight that you're just a harridan. Sure.
> PLEASE seek some help Mary - your disease is treatable. Do so before > you actually own a cat and can do damage to it. > > BLink Right.
Poor Henry.
Phil P. - 15 Jun 2005 08:28 GMT > > >> > She knows what she's talking about, > > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Poor Henry. It must be like being in a shelter. A well-run shelter wouldn't keep 23 cats together in such a small area. Cats should be kept small groups of 4-6 cats to reduce stress and epidemics.
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 17:09 GMT > > > >> > She knows what she's talking about, > > > >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > A well-run shelter wouldn't keep 23 cats together in such a small area. > Cats should be kept small groups of 4-6 cats to reduce stress and epidemics. Megan says that you have lied about her living in a one-bedroom apartment with 23 cats, though I thought I recalled her talking about being licensed for 25 but only having 23.
Alison - 15 Jun 2005 15:43 GMT > > She knows what she's talking about, > > How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and > turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- > you're another dim- witted babbling idiot.>>. What's this all about Phil? I didn't realise you had a problem with Megan. Alison
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 15:55 GMT >> > She knows what she's talking about, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Megan. > Alison This forum is in desperate need of a MODERATOR who will censor all postings without bias or hesitation. I seem to recall a "kb" (?) website that drew from the postings here and exercised just such editorial license.
Really!! :^(
Matthew - 15 Jun 2005 16:47 GMT > This forum is in desperate need of a MODERATOR who will censor all postings Moderated usenet boards suck. I recommend learning to use a killfile.
Matthew
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT > > This forum is in desperate need of a MODERATOR who will censor all > postings > > Moderated usenet boards suck. So does Philip.
I recommend learning to use a killfile.
He claims to use one. Proclaims it loudly, in fact.
daddypop - 15 Jun 2005 17:07 GMT > Moderated usenet boards suck. I recommend learning to use a killfile. > > Matthew Yes and invariably the moderator is posting under another username, and will abuse his authority. By the time you get ready to knock his views out of the park, they just pull the carpet. I will never be a part of a moderated group again; a moderator can tear down a lot of ground work. I mean we're all lobbying for something.
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 21:54 GMT >> Moderated usenet boards suck. I recommend learning to use a killfile. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > moderated group again; a moderator can tear down a lot of ground work. > I mean we're all lobbying for something. Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and censor. As a user, you should know only their username and nothing more.
Take your lobbying elsewhere.
daddypop - 15 Jun 2005 22:31 GMT > Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and > censor. As a user, you should know only their username and nothing more. > > Take your lobbying elsewhere. Right, and a Judge is not supposed to take bribes, and policeman are not supposed to partake of the "booty", Im just being realistic. I am being practical. Sure I would agree that it works in theory.
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 22:56 GMT >> Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, >> and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not supposed to partake of the "booty", Im just being realistic. I am > being practical. Sure I would agree that it works in theory. I have several examples in the automotive arena for both moderated successes and unmoderated failures.
daddypop - 15 Jun 2005 23:02 GMT > I have several examples in the automotive arena for both moderated successes > and unmoderated failures. I can believe that - considering the topic.
I mean, I can't really see two women arguing over a sears wrench to the point it would require a moderator. lol
OTOH, this group is inclusive of behavior. not just any behavior, but CAT behavior. lol
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 23:37 GMT >> I have several examples in the automotive arena for both moderated >> successes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > OTOH, this group is inclusive of behavior. not just any behavior, but > CAT behavior. lol Men participating in automotive forums do not perpetuate the caliber of human catfights like I've witnessed here. The stars are Mary, Phil P, Catnipped, Catprotecter, and a one other. But let men stray off into politics or religion unabaited .... the forum turns to litter.
equalizer - 15 Jun 2005 23:54 GMT >> Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and >> censor. As a user, you should know only their username and nothing more. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >not supposed to partake of the "booty", Im just being realistic. I am >being practical. Sure I would agree that it works in theory. A Christian pastor isn't supposed to buttfuck little boys.....
Philip - 16 Jun 2005 00:30 GMT >>> Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, >>> warn, and censor. As a user, you should know only their username [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > A Christian pastor isn't supposed to buttfuck little boys..... Umm... check the news .... it's Catholic priests that are in the most hot water.
WHY does Michael Jackson like twentyeight year olds so much:
Ans: 'Cuz there's twenty of them!
equalizer - 16 Jun 2005 01:00 GMT >>>> Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, >>>> warn, and censor. As a user, you should know only their username [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Umm... check the news .... it's Catholic priests that are in the most hot >water. Ooooops! Sorry -- they weren't Christians, they were Catholics. My bad!
eq
>WHY does Michael Jackson like twentyeight year olds so much: > >Ans: 'Cuz there's twenty of them! Mary - 16 Jun 2005 03:05 GMT > >>>> Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, > >>>> warn, and censor. As a user, you should know only their username [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ooooops! Sorry -- they weren't Christians, they were Catholics. My bad! I was gonna bust you on that.
Alison - 16 Jun 2005 21:39 GMT > > >Umm... check the news .... it's Catholic priests that are in the most hot
> >water. > > Ooooops! Sorry -- they weren't Christians, they were Catholics. My bad! > > eq They're still Christians! Alison:)
equalizer - 16 Jun 2005 22:06 GMT >> > >Umm... check the news .... it's Catholic priests that are in the >most hot [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > They're still Christians! > Alison:) Yep, I know. You got the point, wonder if Philip did too?
Here, let me re-do it:
<sarcasm> Ooooops! Sorry -- they weren't Christians, they were Catholics. My bad! </sarcasm>
eq
Alison - 17 Jun 2005 12:05 GMT > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:39:33 +0100, "Alison" > > > <sarcasm> Ooooops! Sorry -- they weren't Christians, they were > Catholics. My bad! </sarcasm> > > eq>> . It's offensive that some priests were/are abusers but there's no need to offend Catholics by saying Catholics aren't Christian. Alison
equalizer - 17 Jun 2005 12:56 GMT >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:39:33 +0100, "Alison" >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >no need to offend Catholics by saying Catholics aren't Christian. > Alison Man, even explicitly spelled out, it goes over a few heads! Sorry, I can't type any slower to help you keep up, maybe someone else can explain it to you in understandable terms.
eq
Mary - 17 Jun 2005 17:47 GMT > >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:39:33 +0100, "Alison" > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > any slower to help you keep up, maybe someone else can explain it to you in > understandable terms. What's a village without an idiot? 8)
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 16 Jun 2005 01:18 GMT >> A Christian pastor isn't supposed to buttfuck little boys..... > >Umm... check the news .... it's Catholic priests that are in the most hot >water. Christian pastors prefer cheap ugly prostitutes. It it's a cross dresser all the better.
-mhd
daddypop - 15 Jun 2005 22:49 GMT > Take your lobbying elsewhere. You only say this because you lobby for a "good" moderated forum.
"Take your, Take yours somewhere else". said the cat.
Glitter Ninja - 15 Jun 2005 23:08 GMT >Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and >censor. Yeah, and censorship is such a good idea. Let people say what they want. You are not obligated to read what they write; killfile them, skip them, or ignore them. The idea of telling people that they are forbidden to say what they want is repulsive and it has no place here. Besides, you can't change a Usenet group to moderated once it's been created. You'd have to create a whole new newsgroup, probably rec.pets.cats.health+behavior.moderated. You are welcome to try, the Usenet rec.* hierarchy guidelines are available all over the web. Say hi to Jay Denebeim for me.
Stacia
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 23:28 GMT > >Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and > >censor. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stacia Philip is a major f.cking idiot. I am so *not* surprised he would be in favor of censorship. There is nothing like a flaming, aggressively stupid a.shole who then cannot take it when people point out that he is a flaming, aggressively stupid a.shole.
This gets filed under "if you can dish it out but you can't take it, hand in your spoon." He's likely a netcop too.
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 23:37 GMT >>Good moderators do not participate in forum threads. They read, warn, and >>censor. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stacia True, the immediate power I have is using the kill file. But the continued presence of ongoing bitch fights has got to be discouraging to all but the most thick skinned new visitor. Certainly how long newcomers stay is affected.
I'm of the view that 'free speech' has been abused to the detriment of the forum largely due to a few individuals proving themselves incapable of staying on subject. MUCH of what I have read here in the past week belongs on alt.low.self.esteem.psychobitch.a.shole .
PawsForThought - 17 Jun 2005 01:05 GMT >Certainly how long newcomers stay is > affected. Good, now don't let the door hit you in the a.s...
Mary - 17 Jun 2005 01:12 GMT > >Certainly how long newcomers stay is > > affected. > > Good, now don't let the door hit you in the a.s... Honest to Dog.
Philip - 15 Jun 2005 21:54 GMT >> This forum is in desperate need of a MODERATOR who will censor all > postings > > Moderated usenet boards suck. I recommend learning to use a killfile. > > Matthew Sorry Mathew but we'll have to agree to disagree. On other subjects I have subscribed to both moderated and "free for all" forums. As soon as politics, or race supremacy, or issues of unbridled compassion, or religion find a home, the whole forum gets distracted and spirals down. Kill files don't restore quality. THIS forum is a very good example of having to put up with a lot of self righteous, judgemental sh.t just to gain a little insight even from the most qualified to give the advice.
I have also noted that persons who believe their free speech rights are being abridged by the presence of an unbiased moderator are often the ones who test the moderator the most.
Catnipped - 16 Jun 2005 15:32 GMT > politics, or race supremacy, or issues of unbridled compassion, or religion I'd be laughing if this weren't so sad. Only an a.shole like Phillip could come up with the phrase "unbridled compassion". Heed his warning folks, put a bridle on your compassion so it doesn't get out of hand. There's nothing worse in the world than an out pouring of compassion! I shudder to think what would happen if everybody just freely released compassion into the world - what a hellhole it would be!!!
*SHEESH* what a f.cking misogynistic a.shole.
Phil P. - 15 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT "Alison" <Alison@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> What's this all about Phil? I didn't realise you had a problem with > Megan. She's the one with the problem- You've never seen me start the sh.t with her- its *always* she who draws first blood, and then whines when I counter-attack.
Alison - 15 Jun 2005 17:29 GMT > "> > > > What's this all about Phil? I didn't realise you had a problem with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > her- its *always* she who draws first blood, and then whines when I > counter-attack.>>. You have a lot in common, you both care for unwanted cats and are passionately anti-declaw . It's a shame this has happened If this could be resolved, with your vet knowledge and Megan's behaviour knowledge you would be quite a team-:) Alison
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 17:29 GMT > "Alison" <Alison@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > her- its *always* she who draws first blood, and then whines when I > counter-attack. It began when she attacked you for trying to help Candace. And yes, Megan has in inflated sense of her own effectiveness, shall we say? So she frequently picks a fight then gets her a.s kicked and whines. Pathetic.
Mary - 15 Jun 2005 17:26 GMT > > > She knows what she's talking about, > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Megan. > Alison Megan is being an a.shole. Phil offered to send Candace an inhaler and some albuterol for her very ill cat, and Megan jumped in to tell him he was commiting a crime. When of course Candace would not have used the medicine without her vet's approval. All because Megan the pathetic must be the resident "expert" on cats. Bleah.
SuperZee - 15 Jun 2005 17:15 GMT Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
Phil and Mary HATE Megan and BLink and Barry!!
>> She knows what she's talking about, > >How would you know? You couldn't tell the difference between a hairball and >turd without tasting it. You rank right up there will blabbering Barry- >you're another dim- witted babbling idiot. daddypop - 14 Jun 2005 14:48 GMT > (Pictures to follow) Please excuse me for appearing to be dialectic ~ purley co-incidental.
I would have enjoyed something like that - Looking fwd to pics.
Good read! I printed it and read it while I took a Phil.
Mary - 14 Jun 2005 15:26 GMT "Brian Link" <blink@visi.com> wrote:>
> I walked in the door and met the first wave of feline-greeters, and I > was happy to see Henry among them! Oh Jesus. So the reluctant woman who adopted Henry gave him back to Megan? I knew she would not keep him. You miserable son of a bitch.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Jun 2005 16:08 GMT maryscatlover.com wrote:
>So the reluctant woman who adopted >Henry gave him back to Megan? She didn't "adopt" Henry. She agreed to foster him until a home could be found. That was very clear in Brian's post about the situation. We hoped she would fall in love but the recent death of her cat really affected her and she wasn't ready.
I had another home lined up with a really wonderful couple that have a cat they wanted a playmate for, but Christina became gravely ill and was hospitalized, then faced a long recovery and also had to learn to walk again. It wasn't fair to the foster or Henry to have to wait for who knows how long, so I decided to bring him home with me I'm glad I did because, even though he is a great cat, he has some issues that require someone with a lot of experience in introductions and behavior to deal with. He's 100% improved already and gets better all the time.
You can rail at Brian all you want about giving Henry up, but expecting Henry to live in a house where he is attacked any time Louis laid eyes on him and has to be isolated for the majority of the day is cruel on your part and it's a life NO cat should have to live. Brian did the right thing and Henry is happy.
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§cratch - 15 Jun 2005 06:42 GMT <Un-related to Our Comments>
Hello, my SO and me just wanted to say WOW!! We read about Brian's recent visit to your home. You are very dedicated; are you ever able to take a vacation? Ha ha We've been looking at the pictures from your posted links.Mistopheles is very cute.
We are curious if you are looking for homes for some of the cats, or are most of them your pets.
Thanks for your contributions to the cat world at large, as well as the picture albums.
Alison - 15 Jun 2005 19:36 GMT Brian , you were asking about anti depressant drugs a little while ago and I found this :-
From FLUTD by Danielle Gunn-Moore in Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery . April 2003 Tricyclic antidepressants Tricyclic antidepressants have been found to be beneficial in the treatment of some humans with interstitial cystitis, and in a number of cats with FIC, however, there are few well-controlled studies available. These drugs have both behavioural and organic effects. They have anticholinergic (including increasing bladder capacity), anti-inflammatory (including preventing histamine release from mast cells), anti- adrenergic, analgesic, and antidepressant effects. While long-term administration may be of benefit in some cases of FIC, short-term treatment does not appear to be effective. In cats, tricyclic antidepressants should be used with caution and reserved for those cats with very severe or chronic disease. . Amitriptyline (AmitriptylineT) 2.5-10 mg/cat PO q24 h (evening) Side effects include somnolence, urinary retention, and raised liver enzymes. Liver function should be assessed prior to starting therapy, reassessed 1 month later, then every 6-12 months while the cat is on treatment.
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Lorraine - 15 Jun 2005 19:54 GMT >(Pictures to follow) So, where are the pictures? I like pictures.
L.
Justin L - 16 Jun 2005 01:51 GMT >(Pictures to follow) <snip story about how Megan rules>
I am just curious about a couple of things..(for Megan)
Doesn't having so many cats get rather expensive? I seem to recall you feed the expensive canned food, so you have to be spending a small fortune on food alone, not to mention all of the other expenses like litter, etc.
How do they all manage to get along without fighting?? I have a hard time keeping my 2 cats from fighting.
Doesn't 4 am at your place get like totally insane?? 25 cats (or whatever) all with the zoomies....sounds like a nightmare to me!
Mary - 16 Jun 2005 03:21 GMT > >(Pictures to follow) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 25 cats (or whatever) all with the zoomies....sounds like a nightmare > to me! They are likely all in cages at 4 am.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jun 2005 04:29 GMT marys@catlover.com wrote:
>They are likely all in cages at 4 am. My cats don't live in cages and I have none set up for them. The cat playpen I do own is packed away in the basement and is only used for socializing ferals or during an introduction.
At 4 am many of my cats are snuggled in bed with me and the rest are wherever they choose to be.
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Mary - 16 Jun 2005 05:33 GMT > marys@catlover.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > At 4 am many of my cats are snuggled in bed with me and the rest are > wherever they choose to be. Why should I believe you?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jun 2005 06:26 GMT mars@catlover.com wrote:
>Why should I believe you? Because it's the truth, although with your history you've made it abundantly clear that you prefer to believe lies, discount the truth and post garbage for the sole purpose of creating conflict and hearing yourself sh.t.
A life in a cage is no life. Believe what you want. I know the truth and you obviously don't.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jun 2005 04:05 GMT >I am just curious about a couple of >things..(for Megan) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >not to mention all of the other expenses >like litter, etc. It is expensive and I spend an average of $800/month just on food, litter and vet bills. I don't mind the expense because the cats are worth it.
>How do they all manage to get along >without fighting?? They have lots of spaces, cat trees, window seats and places of their own so there aren't any real issues with territory. I also have a couple of Feliway diffusers in different rooms as an extra measure. Once in awhile one cat might whack another with a paw or do a little boxing, but nothing more than the normal dynamics in any multiple cat household.
>I have a hard time keeping my 2 cats >from fighting. Do you have a cat tree? Or two? Giving each cat some places they know are *theirs* and that they can retreat to might help with the conflict.
>Doesn't 4 am at your place get like >totally insane?? 25 cats (or whatever) all >with the zoomies....sounds like a >nightmare to me! They sleep through the night. I feed on a 12 hour schedule and tend to feed later, around 10-11 am and pm, which I think makes a difference. I don't have "alarm clock" cats because I don't feed them when I get up so they don't associate my getting out of bed with food. I vacuum, make the bed, wash dishes, scoop litter, etc. and then feed them. I have a similar routine in the evening before I feed them as well. Structure and routine are very good for cats and can make things much easier for the humans too. :-)
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22
"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
Glitter Ninja - 16 Jun 2005 04:55 GMT >Do you have a cat tree? Or two? Giving each cat some places they know >are *theirs* and that they can retreat to might help with the conflict. I have 4 cats now and I do have trouble with them fighting, especially since Reggie has been ill with an infected eye and tooth. I am going to take your advice and try more cat trees and places for them to sit. I took a quick inventory and we have only 10 places, two of which are dedicated to Spam alone.
Stacia
Ashley - 16 Jun 2005 06:16 GMT > They sleep through the night. I feed on a 12 hour schedule and tend to > feed later, around 10-11 am and pm, which I think makes a difference. I > don't have "alarm clock" cats because I don't feed them when I get up so > they don't associate my getting out of bed with food. I vacuum, make the > bed, wash dishes, scoop litter, etc. and then feed them. I have a > similar routine in the evening before I feed them as well. Good insight. I'd never thought of that one. I do have to say, one of my two sadly disillusioned me about his love for me the other day. Neither of them are allowed in to sleep with me at night, but frequently I wake at 5-5.30am to go to the loo, then go back to bed and lie there dozing and listening to the radio news before I get up at 7am. When that happens, I leave the door open and Cassius comes in and tells me how much he loves me and sleeps beside me until it's time to get up.
At the moment, I have someone staying with me for 6 weeks. Yesterday was my day off (but not really, I'm setting up a business so had heaps to do), so I allowed myself to sleep in till 7.30, having done the usual visit to the loo at about 5.30. Cassius was in there on the pillow beside me, when Carolyn got up at about 7, and headed downstairs at about 7.15. Cassius heard her rummaging around in the kitchen, took about 10 secs to think about it, then headed out the door to see if he could persuade her to feed him.
Tart! ;-)
Alison - 16 Jun 2005 11:37 GMT > How do they all manage to get along without fighting?? > I have a hard time keeping my 2 cats from fighting. > > Doesn't 4 am at your place get like totally insane?? > 25 cats (or whatever) all with the zoomies....sounds like a nightmare > to me!>>. Hi Justin, A lot can depend on the cats personalities but how you introduce them and then proceed is *very* important. A person who is experienced with introducing cats and able to resolve issues between them can have many cats that are happy while someone less experienced might have two cats that never get on. The 4am thing , it sometimes helps if you have a play session quite late in the evening which mimics hunting , wind down and then feed. It's not uncommon for reputable rescue folk in the UK to have many cats of their own though most have gardens (yards). Alison
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