I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge concer
to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try to answe
everyones questions and offer some more info as well. I ask tha
anyone who comments about "putting her down" and wants her t
live...Adopt her. Although the decision I make may cost her, he
life....I must make the right decision for my family and our wel
being. We will exhaust all options before we decide to put her down.
Willow is 3 years of age black as night with yellow eyes and we've ha
her since she was a kitten. She is absoulutely beautiful. She wa
never a lap cat and always had a independant side to her. Very vocal a
well, not afraid to meow...about anything. Over the past two years sh
has developed into this behavior, so it has not happened overnight.
We've had her checked out by the vet and he found her fit as a fiddle
other then the aggresive nature. She has all of her shots and rabie
as well. She's spayed, and clawless, thank god. She's basically 12lb
of pure muscle, very strong.
Her behavior.....
Willow is the type of cat that doesn't like to be touched, and we'v
let her go at her own pace. Lilly her sister is the complete opposit
and is the lover of the family Lilly has developed OCD and lick
herself raw, because of Willow's behavior. Now she has a cone on he
head to help with her OCD. I'd post pictures if I could. It used to b
that Willow just didn't want to be picked up or held and when you di
pick her up she jumped down immediatly. Now if I pick her up I have
good chance of getting bit in the face or attacked in some matter.
Willow has grown attached to my 9 year old daughter, and show
affection towards her, yet even she must be careful. Willow ha
attacked her but she wasn't going for blood, just a warning. Latel
she has been very nasty and crying at the door, so we let her ou
hoping this would help with her anger. The first couple of nights sh
got into fights; we had to get involved and bring her in. She ****e
all over herself...I presume becasue she was scared. She now ha
learned to stay in our area..and doesn't get into as many fights. W
thought this might make her a bit more tollerable but now she doesn'
want to come in and she won't even come in to eat. If we bring her i
she attacks us. We would just leave her outside but she will get int
fights, ans if she gets hurt I have to take care of her, also she ha
been going inside our next door neighbors house..through the cat door
I also learned the reason why she doesn't want to eat is because sh
killing everything in site. I have dead birds, mice and moles al
over. I didn't think she would be able to hunt with no claws but I wa
wrong. When she does come in, she's nasty, and will hiss and growl a
Lilly and us. She stays in the guest room all by herself until m
daughter gets home..then hangs out with her. My wife and I are goin
to have more children and we are planning it right now. We will no
have a beast like this in our house with a child. Something mus
change drastically.
I have four options for her:
1) Send her to a farm, she can catch food and she will have littl
human interaction..hopefully we can find one.
2) Put her on medicine but I've had to spend 5 days in the hospital fo
a cat bite to my thumb, so I'm not looking forward to that. Not onl
was I on IV antibiotics, but morphine as well. FOr a damn ca
bite..too. Never knew they were that dangerous, I almost lost m
thumb.
3) No kill shelter
4) put her down
For anyone who who comments about putting her down....I will be happ
to put her on a plane and send her to you. I don't think the No kil
shelter will take her becasue she has no chance for adoption.
Dav
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Philip - 07 Jun 2005 19:36 GMT
> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge
> concern to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try
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> life....I must make the right decision for my family and our well
> being. We will exhaust all options before we decide to put her down.
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> Dave
Your responsible head is in the right place. The safety of your children
and guests in your home comes first. Of this there can be no exception and
no "even ifs."
Rhonda - 07 Jun 2005 19:46 GMT
Well, you may know this already, but many, many declawed cats turn mean.
They have lost their most valuable defense, and can very easily get
angry and turn into biters.
She will never be able to be outside because of that -- she cannot be a
barn cat as you mentioned.
I hope you try the medication. I don't know what else you can try since
you cannot give her her sense of safety back again.
Good luck,
Rhonda
> She's spayed, and clawless, thank god.
Magic Mood Jeep© - 07 Jun 2005 19:47 GMT
> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge
> concern to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try
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> shots and rabies as well. She's spayed, and clawless, thank god.
> She's basically 12lbs of pure muscle, very strong.
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Have you ever thought that maybe being declawed might be why she's biting???
And then you let her OUTSIDE??!?!?!?!?!
Oh man - that's not the smartest thing to do. As a matter of fact, that's
one of the DUMBEST thing you can do - let a declawed cat outside to get in
fights (like you say she does later)
And you also state later on that you think she might be able to survive on a
farm - how can she catch her prey and defend herself without any claws.
That "12lbs of pure muscle" is probably in pain with every step she takes.
You don't mention if her sister is declawed or not, but she probably is -
and you will probably ask how come she hasn't turned mean - well, amybe her
surgery wasn't botched like Willow's, so therefore she's not in pain.
There are others here who will also jump in at this level, who have more
information re: declaw, and they will point you to websites about it.
This is a prime example of why some counties otlaw declawing.
(now I know some of you will jump down my throat for spouting out here
agianst declaw, when I have 2 declawed cats of my own - but I have learned
my lesson!!! I also have 6 fully clawed cats as well, and for the most
part, they all get along)

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> Her behavior.....
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> grasshopper
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 23:13 GMT
>> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge
>> concern to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try
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> that's one of the DUMBEST thing you can do - let a declawed cat
> outside to get in fights (like you say she does later)
Perhaps to you the cat's welfare is more important than the welfare of the
family and very small children in the house. If such is the case with you,
then you sir have a broken moral compass. If this cat is unlikely to
"sweeten up" with another owner, in another household then ... the humane
thing must be done.
KellyH - 07 Jun 2005 19:47 GMT
> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge concern
> to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try to answer
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> life....I must make the right decision for my family and our well
> being. We will exhaust all options before we decide to put her down.
I hate to say it, but you did some harmful things along the way here and now
Willow is one messed up cat.
You had her declawed. If she came that way, then it's not your fault, but
the declawing may be playing a major part in this. When a cat can't scratch
anymore, all that's left is for them to bite. Almost every cat I have
encountered with biting issues was declawed.
It may be a long shot, but have her paws x-rayed to see if she is having
arthritis or regrowth of her claws which is causing her extreme pain.
Letting her outside was a BIG mistake. For one thing, as you noted as well,
it is hard for a declawed cat to make it in the world outside. You said she
was getting into fights, well take a big guess who was probably on the
losing end of these fights? This could be contributing to her behavior.
You may want to have her retested for FeLV and FIV. Is there anyway you can
build a safe enclosure for her outside, so she can come and go at will, but
be safe? Look at the KittyWalk system on Drs. Foster and Smith website.
You are right about one thing, a no kill shelter is not going to take her.
Doing a farm/barn placement is not good either because she is declawed.
Medication is a viable option. It would be safest to cage Willow for now.
If you absolutely cannot physically put the meds in her mouth, then start
out putting them in a very small amount of her favorite food. Once she is
on the meds, she will be easier to deal with.
It sounds to me like you have already made up your mind, though.
Under normal circumstances, I would take your cat, I absolutely can't right
now. Not because she bites, I can't even take a sweet cat at the moment.
Please do consider the medication, it's not as bad as you think.

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Mary - 07 Jun 2005 20:00 GMT
"grasshopper" \\
WHY did you get her declawed? It was this mutilation that made her a biter.
And now she may die because of your mistake?
No matter what you do, never, ever get another cat.
Please.
Jen M. - 08 Jun 2005 00:22 GMT
Grasshopper--I feel that the answer is already evident to you--either a
farm--which doesn't sound like the best of plans or putting her down.
On a side note--I had six cats declawed--this was before I was aware that
it wasn't a good thing and all the cats were loving, healthy, and showed no
type of agression that I keep being said here of declawed cats. Never once
did one turn aggressive or showed any signs of physical or mental post-
related issues with being declawed.
Now, of course, I wouldn't do this now. I didn't know that they took off
the whole first joint--I guess I didn't really think about it. I related
it to most people buying meat wrapped in celphane mindlessly. I thought it
was a fair trade-off--declawed in trade of a long-term, healthy, loving
home.
I certainly wish you all the best.
Sincerely,
Jen
>"grasshopper" \\
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>No matter what you do, never, ever get another cat.
>Please.
Rhonda - 08 Jun 2005 00:44 GMT
You are very lucky. I have vivid memories of my friend's declawed cat
(said she didn't know better) facing me off in her hallway -- spitting
and puffed up like I was there to kill her. The cat lunged at me and I
actually screamed. First time I had ever met an aggressive cat.
Rhonda
> On a side note--I had six cats declawed--this was before I was aware that
> it wasn't a good thing and all the cats were loving, healthy, and showed no
> type of agression that I keep being said here of declawed cats. Never once
> did one turn aggressive or showed any signs of physical or mental post-
> related issues with being declawed.
Innovo - 08 Jun 2005 01:24 GMT
Dave,
She might have picked up a parasite from eating wild birds or moles or
rats/mice/. It is very* possible, as they are not* free from many parasites
and can carry all kinds of disease.
Before you 'put her down', Pleease go to another good* vet and ask them to
do blood work and specifically, have her brain and all of her joints checked
out. Call around and relay your problem and deep concerns, and flat-out ask
them what they* think and would recommend.
It is my* guess, and I'm not a vet, that she definitely has something very
weird going on with her and it's probably in her brain. The fact that she's
had a drastic personality change over the past 2 years is a big red flag in
my book. Please get a second opinion for her sake, because rarely do cats
exhibit this kind of strange and scary behavior, at least not without a
definite medial reason/issue.
Who knows, like one poster suggested, she might have arthritis, which would
be extremely painful, or maybe, she's been exposed and/or eaten yard
pesticide which has damaged her brain, and now essentially made her 'mad'.
Please do keep us posted, because you really sound like a thoughtful guy who
cares a lot about your cat's welfare.
ML
> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge concern
> to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try to answer
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> --
> grasshopper
hantayo - 08 Jun 2005 19:53 GMT
Are both of your cats de-clawed? I'm sure Willow's condition has been
brought on because of being de-clawed. I also do believe Lilly's OCD is also
caused by de-clawing. I've seen both behaviors in de-clawed cats. If a
person doesn't want a cat to have their claws then DON'T get a cat -
please....
Kathy >^.,.^<
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> I would like to first thank everyone for repling..this is a huge concern
> to us and Willow is a part of our family. I'm going to try to answer
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>
> Dave