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grasshopper - 06 Jun 2005 21:52 GMT
I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses a
everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you stop he
from going outside or anything that she wants to do.  When she bite
it's not a love bite she's going for blood and will go after the face.
I have no idea how this came about but I'm at my wits end.  I'm ready t
have her put down, because I can't have her hurt someone who doesn'
know better.  Our other cat is now having nevous problems becsaue o
this and licks herself raw.  Our vet stated she is high strung..an
stated she need anti depressants and valium but come on..this i
getting ridiculous...Does anyone know of what to do?

Dav

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mlbriggs - 07 Jun 2005 01:29 GMT
> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses at
> everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you stop her
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Dave

I guess a car can become crazy just like people do.  Is there rabies in
your area?   Put her in a cage to see if she quiets down then take her to
the Vet.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jun 2005 01:29 GMT
> Our vet stated she is high strung..and stated she need anti
> depressants and valium but come on..this is getting ridiculous...Does
> anyone know of what to do?
>
> Dave

You'd rather put her to sleep than try medication that your vet
suggests?

This I do not understand.

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mlbriggs - 07 Jun 2005 01:40 GMT
>> Our vet stated she is high strung..and stated she need anti
>> depressants and valium but come on..this is getting ridiculous...Does
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> This I do not understand.

From the description of her actions, this is beyond naughty cat behavior.
He could get sued and lose everything if the cat were to attack someone
else.   He could also get injured trying to medicate the cat.    

A couple of years ago my cat fell off my lap.  She is a loving girl and it
was an accident.  But that incident cost me hundreds of dollars and took a
year and a half to heal.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jun 2005 04:28 GMT
>>> Our vet stated she is high strung..and stated she need anti
>>> depressants and valium but come on..this is getting
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> attack someone else.   He could also get injured trying to medicate
> the cat.    

The phrase was "this is getting ridiculous."  Implying that the issue
isn't danger, but simply a gut feel that "it's silly to give a cat
antidepressants, so I'd rather put her to sleep."  If I misinterpreted,
mea culpa.  But that's certainly the impression I got.

> A couple of years ago my cat fell off my lap.  She is a loving girl
> and it was an accident.  But that incident cost me hundreds of
> dollars and took a year and a half to heal.

Youch!  Hundreds of dollars?  Year and a half?  Wow.  I guess I've
been lucky; I've never had a single medical issue related to Oscar.

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mlbriggs - 07 Jun 2005 05:51 GMT
>>>> Our vet stated she is high strung..and stated she need anti
>>>> depressants and valium but come on..this is getting
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> Youch!  Hundreds of dollars?  Year and a half?  Wow.  I guess I've
> been lucky; I've never had a single medical issue related to Oscar.

I've had lots of cats and it was a first (hopefully the last) for me.  It
was an accident and definitely nobodies fault.  It can happen.  Cat
scratches (or gouges as this was) can be very bad.  MLB
Ashley - 07 Jun 2005 11:23 GMT
> Youch!  Hundreds of dollars?  Year and a half?  Wow.  I guess I've
> been lucky; I've never had a single medical issue related to Oscar.

Lord you *are* lucky. One of my cats has twice cost me $1000+. And recently
cost me $350.
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Jun 2005 15:45 GMT
My cat costs me hundreds of pounds each year, even though he has
insurance, as it only covers each illness for a year.  I would never
put him down on the basis of cost, he's my responsibility and I take
care of his health no matter what.  If I ran out of money (as I did
years ago) - I took him to the Blue Cross hospital (in actual fact I
believe them to be better vets than "private" ones).  They were superb,
treated him no questions asked, then when they'd finished asked me if I
could afford to give a donation, if not that was OK too.  There's
always a way.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jun 2005 16:25 GMT
>> Youch!  Hundreds of dollars?  Year and a half?  Wow.  I guess I've
>> been lucky; I've never had a single medical issue related to Oscar.
>
> Lord you *are* lucky. One of my cats has twice cost me $1000+. And
> recently cost me $350.

I mean medical issues as in, my body being damaged by the cat.

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Mary - 07 Jun 2005 16:27 GMT
> > Youch!  Hundreds of dollars?  Year and a half?  Wow.  I guess I've
> > been lucky; I've never had a single medical issue related to Oscar.
>
> Lord you *are* lucky. One of my cats has twice cost me $1000+. And recently
> cost me $350.

What happened, Ashley? Illness, injury, or both? That is a lot of money.
Barb - 07 Jun 2005 16:31 GMT
In a nutshell, try the medication.  Also Felway wouldn't hurt.  Doesn't
sound to me like you love this cat.

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Mary - 07 Jun 2005 16:49 GMT
> Doesn't
> sound to me like you love this cat.

Me either. I don't know the cure for that.
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 16:59 GMT
> In a nutshell, try the medication.  Also Felway wouldn't hurt.
> Doesn't sound to me like you love this cat.

A variation on one of the oldest lines in the guilt trip book.  "If you
really loved me, you would (fill in the blank)"
Mary - 07 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT
> > In a nutshell, try the medication.  Also Felway wouldn't hurt.
> > Doesn't sound to me like you love this cat.
>
> A variation on one of the oldest lines in the guilt trip book.  "If you
> really loved me, you would (fill in the blank)"

Oh, shut up Phillip. You are such an a.shole. I suppose if
Conan "turned mean" you would off him with no hesitation rather than
medicate him, it is so unmanly. Ecckk.
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT
>> Our vet stated she is high strung..and stated she need anti
>> depressants and valium but come on..this is getting ridiculous...Does
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> This I do not understand.

Let us drop a wild behaving animal who is attacking FACES and limbs in your
house.  Let's see how long your compassion lasts before you say ... enough.
When such a deranged cat takes out your child's eye or scratches his/her
face ... would you then open the front door and say to the cat "Have it your
way ... good riddance!"
KellyH - 07 Jun 2005 03:45 GMT
> Let us drop a wild behaving animal who is attacking FACES and limbs in
> your house.  Let's see how long your compassion lasts before you say ...
> enough. When such a deranged cat takes out your child's eye or scratches
> his/her face ... would you then open the front door and say to the cat
> "Have it your way ... good riddance!"

Ummm... you can cage the cat temporarily.  Mix the medication in with food,
use gloves when medding.  There are a number of things that can be done
before resorting to euthanizing the cat.
I also agree that perhaps the OP might want to get a second opinion, just to
cover everything.  It's possible it could be a brain tumor or injury.  A cat
doesn't have a 180° personality change for no reason.

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Philip - 07 Jun 2005 04:01 GMT
>> Let us drop a wild behaving animal who is attacking FACES and limbs in
>> your house.  Let's see how long your compassion lasts before you say ...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> to cover everything.  It's possible it could be a brain tumor or injury.
> A cat doesn't have a 180° personality change for no reason.

First, I wish to thank you for seeing the hyperbole in my posting.  :^)

I agree with your first paragraph.  My point always has been ... is now ..
and always will be ... your family's safety comes first, yourself included.
When the cat becomes a dangerous behavior problem (which I can define), your
family must not be exposed any further to attacks. Cat gets quarantined now
... the solution to be worked out at leisure.

Your second paragraph, I concur completely.
Innovo - 07 Jun 2005 01:38 GMT
***Need more info, Dave.  Like.. how old is she? How long has this
aggressive behavior been going on? Is she outdoors only, indoor/ outdoor, or
what? Has she been eating the same? Have you had any recent changes in your
household? Is she vaccinated for Rabies? Have you had her examined by a vet
since this behavior change?

There are just too many unanswered questions. But I would absolutely Not
'put her down'. Something is* definitely wrong with her. She might have a
brain tumor hence her drastic behavior change and aggression, or maybe she's
had a stroke?  Please do give us more info about her, so we can offer better
suggestions and solutions to help her and you.

ML

> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses at
> everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you stop her
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> --
> grasshopper
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT
Regardless if the cat has a brain tumor or is just nuts ... the cat MUST be
SEPARATED from people .... YESTERDAY !!

> ***Need more info, Dave.  Like.. how old is she? How long has this
> aggressive behavior been going on? Is she outdoors only, indoor/ outdoor,
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>> grasshopper
zuzu22@webtv.net - 07 Jun 2005 01:46 GMT
>Our vet stated she is high strung..and
>stated she need anti depressants and
>valium but come on..this is getting
>ridiculous...Does anyone know of what to
>do?

Follow your vet's advice. Just like people, animals can suffer from
anxiety, OCD and other mental issues and in many cases medicating the
animal is doing them a favor and brings them to a "normal" state. I find
it sad that you talk about killing your cat as an option, but have a
problem with medicating her.

Megan

                                   
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Mary - 07 Jun 2005 01:58 GMT
> >Our vet stated she is high strung..and
> >stated she need anti depressants and
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> it sad that you talk about killing your cat as an option, but have a
> problem with medicating her.

I have to agree.
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 02:59 GMT
> >Our vet stated she is high strung..and
>>stated she need anti depressants and
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Megan

In the process of medicating (psychotropic drugs) the cat, the owner will
likely get bitten and/or attacked.  Drug administration will not be a one
time thing.  This animal sounds quite dangerous and has already inflicted
serious bites on the owner.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 07 Jun 2005 03:13 GMT
Phili wrote:
>In the process of medicating
>(psychotropic drugs) the cat, the owner
>will likely get bitten and/or attacked. Drug
>administration will not be a one time
>thing.

There is more than one way to medicate a cat. I have worked with feral
cats for many, many years and have worked with cats much worse than the
one described and I have never been injured giving medication.

>This animal sounds quite dangerous
>and has already inflicted serious bites on
>the owner.

You seem to be suffering from a severe lack of logic. Maybe this didn't
occur to you, but if medication alleviates the aggression it follows
that the cat won't be dangerous and medicating it will become easier.

But here you are, basically advocating for killing the cat or throwing
it away like garbage. You should not have pets.

Megan

                                   
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Philip - 07 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT
> Phili wrote:
>>In the process of medicating
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> cats for many, many years and have worked with cats much worse than the
> one described and I have never been injured giving medication.

Do you REALLY expect anyone reading that passage to believe you?  I surely
do not.

>>This animal sounds quite dangerous
>>and has already inflicted serious bites on
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> occur to you, but if medication alleviates the aggression it follows
> that the cat won't be dangerous and medicating it will become easier.
snip hysterical judgements
> Megan

And then again, it may not. In the interim, the owner has himself and his
family and visitors to shield from harm (yes, visitors DO sue for cat
bites).  Priorities.
Cheryl - 07 Jun 2005 02:07 GMT
> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses
> at everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dave

Dave, medicating the cat for what could be only temporary is a good
idea. I'm medicating one with Clomicalm (clomipramine) which is
normally only used for dogs with separation anxiety or similar. I
asked the vet for it after doing some reading because I have a cat
who is very aggressive also. He attacked me, the other cats, and
was freaked out by certain sounds. The clomicalm is working
wonders. The vet hadn't used it for cats before, so this is a
learning experience for her, too. Give it a try, or at least ask!
My cat gets .7 cc daily; the dose had to be tweaked to work for him
without making him sleep all the time.

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Philip - 07 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT
Prioritize.  Who is most important?  The attack cat or your family? If you
have to think about this for more than 2 seconds, the first problem is ...
YOU.

> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses at
> everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you stop her
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Dave
Rhonda - 07 Jun 2005 03:15 GMT
I'm wondering if the vet has missed a medical problem. Is she spayed?
Did they do blood tests? Was she checked all over for injuries, big
splinters, etc? It almost sounds like she's in pain to be that grouchy.
I would try a second vet's opinion before you consider anything drastic.

I'm sure this is a pain for you, but don't give up on her yet.

Rhonda

> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses at
> everything and growls at everyone.  She also will bite if you stop her
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Dave
Philip - 07 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT
Rhonda:  Agreed ... but in the meantime, separate that aggressive animal
from people.

> I'm wondering if the vet has missed a medical problem. Is she spayed? Did
> they do blood tests? Was she checked all over for injuries, big splinters,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
>> Dave
bigbadbarry - 07 Jun 2005 03:55 GMT
> I have two cats and one has gone completely insane.  She hisses at

> grasshopper

In how many days time would you say the cat went from nice to mean.
Was there any yellow flags?

Yeah, cover your face if you goto cage him. They are fast little
boogers.

It really is odd, and definetely sounds like a medical problem not a
behavioral problem.
Jen M. - 07 Jun 2005 17:27 GMT
I wonder if it isn't some type of behavior thing.  I mean--getting all
pissy about boundaries and such.  I think caging for a week would do.
Also, try a spray bottle.

I agree that family safety and other animals being safe from an out of
control animal is first!  If after you have tried consulting with a vet and
ruling out an physical ailments, then behavior modification via medication
and physical modification--then I would consider putting her down.  You
wouldn't want this adopted by another unsuspecting family.

Maybe having her fostered for a month, or so, with an animal expert--
someone who knows how to handle such cats.

I wonder if she may be losing her site or hearing????????

Sincerely,
Jen
 
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