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What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? Sick cats coming out of them, and so on. Seems like they could just evacuate the place (if it was possible) Fumagate it and then put all the inmates back in. (sounds simple, but I guess if they are full it could be hard to do). -- Barry ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... Then I wonder if there is a chance these germs can be passed to humans. Most of the pandemic viruses that humans have suffered from came from animals. -- Barry ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... "bigbadbarry" Very few viruses cross genii. > Then I wonder if there is a chance these germs can be passed to humans. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... > "bigbadbarry" > Then I wonder if there is a chance these germs can be passed to humans. > > Most of the pandemic viruses that humans have suffered from came from > animals. My mother-in-law suggested that I caught a viral ear infection from my cat. (She does not like cats. I like cats better than I like her.) My doctor AND my vet said "horse sh.t." As in any crowded environment and stress factory, URI's are usually to be counted upon when getting a cat from a shelter. This is not new. > What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. > Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... Yeah! Just look at ANY cubicle farm. > As in any crowded environment and stress factory, URI's are usually > to be counted upon when getting a cat from a shelter. This is not new. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... THis is true. > Yeah! Just look at ANY cubicle farm. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >> > >> ... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ... > What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. > Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? > Sick cats coming out of them, and so on. What you trying to, you stupid f.cking moron-perpetuate fear and panic about shelters? Your kind of stupidity usually results in the death of more animals because people will be afraid to adopt from shelters. Your mindless stupidity will also encourage people to support backyard breeders- and even more cats will end up in shelters and/or put to death. Try thinking before you type mindlessly. > Try thinking before you type mindlessly. come again > > Try thinking before you type mindlessly. > > come again Well, thinking is good. Phil, by the way, puts a lot of hours into rescuing cats and kittens. And saves lots of kitty lives here, with his good advice. Like me, he can be a little blunt when riled. "Mary" > Well, thinking is good. Phil, by the way, puts a lot of hours > into rescuing cats and kittens. And saves lots of kitty lives here, with his > good advice. Like me, he can be a little blunt when riled. You're gonna defend that garbage? It's a legitamate question. Lets put things into perspective. How many people headed to a shelter are gonna check out thier news reader prior to going, as if any web search is not already littered with advice. Bottom line, people are going to do what they want. Phil is just an a.s, and your defending it? Talk about a snake pit. > "Mary" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You're gonna defend that garbage? It's a legitamate question. It is a legitimate question. It is just that Phil's concerns are legitimate too. > Lets put things into perspective. How many people headed to a shelter are > gonna check out thier news reader prior to going, as if any web search is > not already littered with advice. Bottom line, people are going to do what > they want. Maybe. But think about the good that shelters do, almost always operating on donated funds. So many cats would suffer and die without the good work they do. I would think twice before suggesting that there is any reason *not* to adopt a cat from a shelter. > Phil is just an a.s, and your defending it? Phil is "just an a.s" when he disagrees with you. He is a Godsend when your cat is sick, and a cornucopia of good information for keeping your cat from getting sick. Then he is a very valuable, helpful a.s. > Talk about a snake pit. Barry, you know very well that you frequently post without thinking through the implications of your words. Hence "crazy pills." If you are going to do that, you may expect strong reactions at times. > Barry, you know very well that you frequently post without thinking > through the implications of your words. Hence "crazy pills." If you > are going to do that, you may expect strong reactions at times. No, I knew what I said when I said it. I meant to say it. ------------- I don't have to qualify myself to anyone to use the word crazy pill, it's only offensive...to someone looking to pick a fight. I realize that by the very nature of the things that go on in shelters, I can see someone who works there defending it..but thing is... I said in my 1st post. I said: Can these viruses be passed to humans? If you read my post line by line, why it almost looks like a FAQ brochure you might find at a shelter. It was a golden oppurtunity for someone like Phil to dispel mis-beliefs...instead he actually, creates a smoke screen, whereas if I was wanting to get a cat from a shelter, now after his first response, I would think he is hiding something. (so now...he is actually doing just the opposite of what he was trying to do) Not one time did I say one bad thing about a shelter. The truth is..it could have and should have been a catalyst to dispell common misunderstanding about them (I mean if anything!) My post was like a gun, like some of my others what people choose to do with it is their business. And the thing is, if he setup and ran every shelter on Gods green earth, it does not give him a carte blanche to be abusive. No matter how much knowledge he has about cats and medicine...If he was a CAT god. My comments were general, they we're designed to envoke converstation surrounding a topic I was interested in. Thats all. If someone came in, during our pissing match, sure, they could easily see and "go with" Phil's fear, but that's just it. Phil read my post, and in his answer, he re-defined my post. This was the first mistake. He let fear rule his mind. But let's be real, Phil was not fearful. He needed to re-define my post, else he may have no other oppurtunity tonight to vent. Cause that's all he did, he had ZERO interest in educating anyone about cats or shelters..not until he had done pretty much exhausted himself..what about 2 hours venting? He was hostile! dam Donating time to shelters, and knowing plenty about cats, is no excuse to be rude, no more than it would give an attorney the right to resist arrest. > > Barry, you know very well that you frequently post without thinking > > through the implications of your words. Hence "crazy pills." If you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I realize that by the very nature of the things that go on in shelters, > I can see someone who works there defending it..but thing is... > I said in my 1st post. I said: Can these viruses be passed to humans? Your first post said *nothing* about viruses being passed to humans. And that's the post I commented on. Don't you even know what you write? LOL! > If you read my post line by line, why it almost looks like a FAQ > brochure you might find at a shelter. You're not only a moron, you're delusional! Here's your post, line by line: bigbadbarry" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:ONCdneMD_ZKSBznfRVn-3g@adelphia.com "What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? Sick cats coming out of them, and so on. Seems like they could just evacuate the place (if it was possible) Fumagate it and then put all the inmates back in. (sounds simple, but I guess if they are full it could be hard to do)." Nothing remotely close to a shelter's FAQ- > It was a golden oppurtunity for someone like Phil to dispel > mis-beliefs...instead [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not one time did I say one bad thing about a shelter. Bullshit. You don't even know what you're saying when you type! This is exactly what you said: "What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? Sick cats coming out of them, and so on." Sounds bad to me. > The truth is..it could have and should have been a catalyst to dispell > common misunderstanding about them (I mean if anything!) > > My post was like a gun, like some of my others what people choose to do > with it is their business. > And the thing is, if he setup and ran every shelter on Gods green > earth, it does not give him a carte blanche to be abusive. No matter [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to be rude, no more than it would give an attorney the right to resist > arrest. Wow! Did you conjure up that entire delusion all by yourself? LOL! I'll say one thing for you- you sure have an imagination! You sure gave me a good laugh! Like I say, my post looks like a FAQ you might find at a shelter. How you use it is a house of another color. > Like I say, my post looks like a FAQ you might find at a shelter. It may look like a shelter's FAQ in your deluded mind, but it doesn't look like one in reality. "bigbadbarry" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:ONCdneMD_ZKSBznfRVn-3g@adelphia.com... > What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. > Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Fumagate it and then put all the inmates back in. (sounds simple, but I > guess if they are full it could be hard to do). I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another. > I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another. This thread sure has a provocative title! > > I replied to this an hour ago; it won't show up untill I post another. > > This thread sure has a provocative title! Philip has ISyooos, people, I'm telling you. However, he is damned near charming when he discusses Conan. Happily, even flaming jerks have a shot at heaven if they adopt a shelter cat. Way to go, Philip! > I don't have to qualify myself to anyone to use the word crazy pill, > it's only offensive...to someone looking to pick a fight. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I said in my 1st post. I said: Can these viruses be passed to humans? Barry, this is your first post in this thread: ---------------- What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? Sick cats coming out of them, and so on. Seems like they could just evacuate the place (if it was possible) Fumagate it and then put all the inmates back in. (sounds simple, but I guess if they are full it could be hard to do). ------------------ No where do you ask if any diseases can be passed to humans. The way I took your post was that "cats that come from shelters are sick. What is going to be done about it?" There is nothing about you wanting to volunteer and being concerned for yourself. Perhaps you need to work on how you phrase things. I have a hard time understanding the point of your posts, as I'm sure others do. FYI - I'm not telling you HOW to post, just saying you may want to change if you wish to be understood. To answer your questions: The only two diseases that come to mind that can transmit from cats to humans are rabies and ringworm. You have very little chance of encountering rabies at a shelter. Any cat that has rabies symptoms would likely be euthanized, or isolated depending on state law and shelter policy. Ringworm would also depend on shelter policy. Some shelters euth immediately if a cat has ringworm. Others put the cat in foster care or in an isolation room where gloves and gowns must be worn. The other issue is bringing home something on your clothing to your cat. You could theoretically bring home URI on your clothing. It's a good idea to either change at the shelter when your shift is over, or change clothes and shower immediately when you get home. URI outbreaks at shelters are real and do happen. Some shelters handle the situation by euthanizing all the cats, bleaching out the cages, and starting over. It's happened at the shelter I'm with, but that's not what we did. We did have to close to intakes, except for cats in immediate need. All cats were put on Clavamox and Lysine. Cats were not allowed out of their cages. Cages were washed out with a bleach and water solution each day. Once a cat had URI and was better, we slowly allowed them to get adopted. Once all the cats in one room were adopted, we totally bleached that room and let cats start coming in again. I think this took about two months. I hope this answered some of your questions.  Signature-Kelly > > I don't have to qualify myself to anyone to use the word crazy pill, > > it's only offensive...to someone looking to pick a fight. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Barry, this is your first post in this thread: > ---------------- No it's not, I changed the topic to whipping post for Phil's sake. I'm talking about the top end of the thread called Shelters (I think you replied in it) > What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters. > Maybe it's like a hospitol the germs end up drug resistant? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No where do you ask if any diseases can be passed to humans. In the second post just after my initial post...I think there must be different methods of viewing topics. I have several views, I can see every topic, as well as subsequent posts. It shows me in a "Tree" view, who replied to who. In my Outlook, I can "Hide" read messages, but since no topic usually flows top to bottom, when someone comes along and decorates halfway up the tree, I have to view all the messages to see who the reply was for. > The way I took > your post was that "cats that come from shelters are sick. What is going to > be done about it?" There is nothing about you wanting to volunteer and > being concerned for yourself. Here again, it's an assumption on the part of the reader, and really; a perfect oppurtunity to the optimist, to enlighten that one. I see a little about what you mean, but just like in the FAQ's brochures, The question is always blunt and confronting. It is not up to the reader to assign anything beyond what is stated, I think that's fair enough. >Perhaps you need to work on how you phrase > things. I have a hard time understanding the point of your posts, as I'm > sure others do. FYI - I'm not telling you HOW to post, just saying you may > want to change if you wish to be understood. Between you and me, I think my words we're very fertile ground for someone wanting to educate another on the subject. Like I said, a post can be like a gun, and depending on how it's weilded one could do some good with it, or one can start firing into the crowd like a maniac. > To answer your questions: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > -Kelly Interesting. To be honest; I did have concerns about bringing something home to my cat. Now I don't know about medicine, but I would have done the same thing as far as cleaning the facility. It would be better to have it empty (as you say ya'll did), then sterilize everything in there with bleach. Thanks for taking the time to educate me in this; I really didn't want to show up with a watermelon under my arm you know...green as hell. > No it's not, I changed the topic to whipping post for Phil's sake. > I'm talking about the top end of the thread called Shelters (I think > you replied in it) What I quoted (the quote that starts "What is going on with all I'm hearing about shelters") is the first post in the thread titled "Shelters". > Between you and me, I think my words we're very fertile ground for > someone wanting to educate another on the subject. Like I said, a post > can be like a gun, and depending on how it's weilded one could do some > good with it, or one can start firing into the crowd like a maniac. Well, I have no idea what your point is half the time. -Kelly > The only two diseases that come to mind that can transmit from cats to > humans are rabies and ringworm. You have very little chance of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > start coming in again. I think this took about two months. > I hope this answered some of your questions. This was educational. Thank you Kelly. This morning, my vet sold me a course of amoxicillin, 100 mg, 2X daily for Conan's URI. There is also a 500 mg lysine tablet that has to go in Conan. I pulverize the HUGE lysine tablet, add just enough Nutri-Cal cat multivitamin/mineral syrup to make a paste, pour into a 10cc syringe, pry open kitty's mouth, and squirt it in. Isn't this "lovely." :^( He has not eaten anything for 48 hrs. > This morning, my vet sold me a course of amoxicillin, 100 mg, 2X daily for > Conan's URI. There is also a 500 mg lysine tablet that has to go in > Conan. I pulverize the HUGE lysine tablet, add just enough Nutri-Cal cat > multivitamin/mineral syrup to make a paste, pour into a 10cc syringe, pry > open kitty's mouth, and squirt it in. Isn't this "lovely." :^( He has > not eaten anything for 48 hrs. Try syringing in some regular food, too. What I do is mix canned food (the ground kind, not chunks) with warm water and syringe that in. He really needs to eat. It could be that his little nose is stuffed up and he's not smelling his food. Take him into the bathroom with you when you take a shower, it helps clear the passages. Personally, I always have better luck with liquid medicine, but I hear a lot of people say they have an easier time with pills. I guess it's all technique. We use Lysine capsules at the shelter that are powder in a gelatin capsule. We usually open the capsule and mix it in with something tasty like smelly canned food or baby food (meat only). Good luck, I hope Conan feels better soon. Signature-Kelly >> This morning, my vet sold me a course of amoxicillin, 100 mg, 2X daily >> for Conan's URI. There is also a 500 mg lysine tablet that has to go in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (the ground kind, not chunks) with warm water and syringe that in. He > really needs to eat. Done that too today but with milk. This is getting a bit much. He protested a lot. snip > Take him into the bathroom with you when you take a shower, it helps clear > the passages. Did that too this morning. He just kept his head down and closed his eyes. Granted I ain't nothin' to look at in the shower anymore but hey ... I have feelings! ;^) > Personally, I always have better luck with liquid medicine, but I hear a > lot of people say they have an easier time with pills. I guess it's all > technique. I've got practice getting medicine in animals. It's largely a confidence/reward game. > We use Lysine capsules at the shelter that are powder in a gelatin > capsule. We usually open the capsule and mix it in with something tasty > like smelly canned food or baby food (meat only). > Good luck, I hope Conan feels better soon. Part of the "deal" with the shelter is a 15 day return/exchange agreement. That date is next Wednesday. Like anyone else, I bargained for a healthy cat .... not a science project. I going to do what's reasonable to do from now until then. >> Try syringing in some regular food, too. What I do is mix >> canned food (the ground kind, not chunks) with warm water and >> syringe that in. He really needs to eat. > > Done that too today but with milk. This is getting a bit much. > He protested a lot. Maybe try using KMR (kitten milk replacement formula) rather than milk. It'll add calories. Since he tolerates milk, he'll tolerate that. > Part of the "deal" with the shelter is a 15 day return/exchange > agreement. That date is next Wednesday. Like anyone else, I > bargained for a healthy cat .... not a science project. I going > to do what's reasonable to do from now until then. Was Conan fostered? Did he maybe have a special human who could come visit him? Shelter and rescue org people will do nearly anything to make an adoption "stick" and visits aren't out of the question. If they come visit, they might have some suggestions for you, too. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> Try syringing in some regular food, too. What I do is mix >>> canned food (the ground kind, not chunks) with warm water and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > milk. It'll add calories. Since he tolerates milk, he'll tolerate > that. I saw that stuff at Petco today. I wondered if it might not be a bit rich for an adult cat. >> Part of the "deal" with the shelter is a 15 day return/exchange >> agreement. That date is next Wednesday. Like anyone else, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > question. If they come visit, they might have some suggestions for > you, too. Conan was clearly labeled "Stray." I don't need visits from well meaning strangers. I expected to buy a reasonably healthy cat. This ain't it. This morning, Conan hopped up on the bed just as I was coming to .... at about 6:00 AM. Just as I rolled over and pulled down the comforter, he sneezed ... twice ... the second sneeze landing a small glob of viscous snot alongside my forehead. NOT FUNNY. My first coherent thought was this cat is not staying here much longer in this condition. Apparently, infected animals are not unusual as evidenced by the shelter's "no questions" return/exchange policy. >> Maybe try using KMR (kitten milk replacement formula) rather >> than milk. It'll add calories. Since he tolerates milk, he'll >> tolerate that. > > I saw that stuff at Petco today. I wondered if it might not be a > bit rich for an adult cat. I had a sick cat with a feeding tube for 2 months and I put some in his "sick cat mix" for the calorie content. He handled it well during that time. What happened after wasn't related to the KMR - he had IBD. At the time I fed him food through a feeding tube with KMR, he had hepatic lipidosis and it was imperative to get the calories in him to heal his liver. > Conan was clearly labeled "Stray." I don't need visits from > well meaning strangers. I expected to buy a reasonably healthy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > infected animals are not unusual as evidenced by the shelter's > "no questions" return/exchange policy. Based on this, my suggestion would be to return him and not get another cat. I'm sure you mean well, but they do get sick, and they need someone who will nurse them back to health after their stressful ordeal. It's usually temporary, and they usually get past this. Especially an adult cat. Definitely don't get a kitten. If you think this is bad, kittens require closer monitoring and more responsibility. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >>> Maybe try using KMR (kitten milk replacement formula) rather >>> than milk. It'll add calories. Since he tolerates milk, he'll [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > you think this is bad, kittens require closer monitoring and more > responsibility. Cheryl. I'm going to completely disregard your last paragraph because it is totally at odds with my ownership of cats ... all but one being from kitten stage. Sick cats have never been in my experience. The indoor/outdoors ones years ago would sustain fight damage ... but that's it. The one Siamese had a lesion on his anus when he got to be about 10-12 yrs old. Is that just luck? You "professionals" appear to have a lot more serious health experiences with personal cats in your care than I ever have. Let's look at what I got. When I picked up Conan, he was very active and alert. He had been in shelter captivity for 7 days. I brought him home. After the first 24 hrs he started declining. What happened? He got a couple of vaccinations and the stress of transport. I WILL find out tomorrow exactly what shots were administered and when. Is there no possibility this whole thing is fallout from whatever they injected into him just before releasing him to me? Your ideas. > >> Maybe try using KMR (kitten milk replacement formula) rather > >> than milk. It'll add calories. Since he tolerates milk, he'll [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > you think this is bad, kittens require closer monitoring and more > responsibility. a.shole that you may be, Cheryl, I have to agree with you. > a.shole that you may be, Cheryl, I have to agree with you. Why, thank you Mar. You'll see as you catch up that I waffled, but I wouldn't want to let you down in that dept. I'm glad to see you back. You've been gone for 24 hours and that's so unlike you! I was afraid that the lambasting of your internet love scared you off. Did you feel as if you were between a r0ck and a hard place? LOL SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > a.shole that you may be, Cheryl, I have to agree with you. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > scared you off. Did you feel as if you were between a r0ck and a > hard place? LOL Barry can take care of himself. :) Meanwhile, I am in love with Conan and hate Phillip. Life can be tough. > Conan was clearly labeled "Stray." I don't need visits from well meaning > strangers. I expected to buy a reasonably healthy cat. This ain't it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > infected animals are not unusual as evidenced by the shelter's "no > questions" return/exchange policy. A URI will pass. He will probably be over it in at least a week. If you honestly don't feel like you are up for dealing with a URI, which is a minor problem, then return the cat, if this was a no or low kill shelter. If it was an open admission place, he will probably be put to sleep. About the KMR: It's fine for adult cats who haven't been eating. Much better than regular milk. Signature-Kelly >> Conan was clearly labeled "Stray." I don't need visits from well meaning >> strangers. I expected to buy a reasonably healthy cat. This ain't it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > About the KMR: It's fine for adult cats who haven't been eating. Much > better than regular milk. I just posted to Cheryl, you might take a look at that post. Conan is not presenting a "minor problem" here. I bought a can of KMR this evening and syringed 30-40cc down his throat. How much and how often do you feed this stuff to an adult? He's also starting to smell a bit like urine all over but is hind area is dry and he is not leaking where he sleeps. This is new. I don't want to take him back partly because this IS a high kill shelter. But through no fault of the cat's, this situation is not one I can live with indefinitely. As I said to Cheryl, Conan was active and alert until about 24 hrs after arriving home. The shelter DID give him a shot or two along with chipping him just before releasing him to me. Do you know of any vaccination that would bring about a URI or a condition mimicking a URI? *IF* one of the vaccinations he got could bring on these symptoms, then there is NO WAY I will accept another animal from this shelter. > I just posted to Cheryl, you might take a look at that post. Conan is not > presenting a "minor problem" here. I bought a can of KMR this evening and > syringed 30-40cc down his throat. How much and how often do you feed this > stuff to an adult? He's also starting to smell a bit like urine all over > but is hind area is dry and he is not leaking where he sleeps. This is > new. I have no idea about the urine smell. If he is eating absoultely nothing, I would give him KMR at least several times a day. I'm not a vet, and all I have to go on are your posts. To me, what you posted sounded minor, except for the not eating. Is he still active? Using the litterbox? If he is lethargic and seems generally unwell, I would take him back to the vet. > I don't want to take him back partly because this IS a high kill shelter. > But through no fault of the cat's, this situation is not one I can live [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > URI? *IF* one of the vaccinations he got could bring on these symptoms, > then there is NO WAY I will accept another animal from this shelter. Phil P (if you will listen to him) knows much more about vaccines than I do. The old HESKA vaccine (a brand of FVRCP vacc) we used up until several months ago would bring on URI-like symptoms. Also, if he had a URI brewing, the stress of coming into a new home and the vaccines, and probably a recent neuter could have caused the URI to surface. I do hope that you will take him back to the vet instead of back to the shelter. Signature-Kelly >> I just posted to Cheryl, you might take a look at that post. Conan is >> not presenting a "minor problem" here. I bought a can of KMR this evening [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have no idea about the urine smell. It's a musty smell ... rather dog-like but reminicent of cat urine. > If he is eating absoultely nothing, I would give him KMR at least several > times a day. > I'm not a vet, and all I have to go on are your posts. Don't "go" on my posts. The liquid will short out your computer screen. > To me, what you posted sounded minor, except for the not eating. Is he > still active? Slept ALL day, very similar Monday and Sunday. > Using the litterbox? Yes but ... little going in, little coming out. > If he is lethargic and seems generally unwell, I would take him back to > the vet. I had audience on the phone with the same vet who saw him Saturday. Now I have to pop an Amoxicillin 100 mg down Conan, twice a day. So now it's KMR (all I can get him to injest via syringe under protest) 2-3 times a day, two antibiotic tablets, and crushed up 500 mg Lysine tablet in water, syringed in the mouth. I'll do this for a week but by then, there must be an improvement trend in evidence. >> I don't want to take him back partly because this IS a high kill shelter. >> But through no fault of the cat's, this situation is not one I can live [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> URI? *IF* one of the vaccinations he got could bring on these symptoms, >> then there is NO WAY I will accept another animal from this shelter. snip > The old HESKA vaccine (a brand of FVRCP vacc) we used up until several > months ago would bring on URI-like symptoms. OH REALLY!!!! I will ask specifically that question when I call the shelter tomorrow. > Also, if he had a URI brewing, the stress of coming into a new home and > the vaccines, and probably a recent neuter could have caused the URI to > surface. Stress, could be part of the picture. He came to the shelter already altered. The vaccines are on my radar. He was alert and active until after the first 24 hrs home. They did innoculate him with one or two things, plus the ID chip JUST before the turned him over to me. > I do hope that you will take him back to the vet instead of back to the > shelter. I asked the vet speak frankly. She said that Conan's condition on Saturday had the appearance of a URI .... but she was not specific about it being a herpes or some other virus AND NOTHING was mentioned about this apparent URI being caused by a vaccine administered by the shelter. The vaccination connection is an idea of my own. Thank you, Kelly I wrote: >> The old HESKA vaccine (a brand of FVRCP vacc) we used up until several >> months ago would bring on URI-like symptoms. You wrote: > OH REALLY!!!! I will ask specifically that question when I call the > shelter tomorrow. What we would see from the HESKA vacc is sneezing with clear discharge. No loss of appetite or lethargy. Another feeding trick: Try microwaving some canned cat food. It makes it smell more and he might start eating. Signature-Kelly >Another feeding trick: Try microwaving some canned cat food. It makes it > smell more and he might start eating. If you do microwave the food, be very careful do only do it for a few seconds at a time. Microwaving can heat the food unevenly and there could be some really hot spots. I do agree with Kelly, microwaving for a few seconds can make the food more aromatic and more enticing to the cat. Lauren See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe >>Another feeding trick: Try microwaving some canned cat food. It makes it >> smell more and he might start eating. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Lauren > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe The hot spots in microwaved foods is largely the result of using a microwave oven that has no turntable built in. For a half can of food placed on a microwaveable dish, it took about 5 seconds (1100 watt oven). Conan sniffed ... walked away. So, he got nearly 40ccs of KMR syringed to him. >I wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Another feeding trick: Try microwaving some canned cat food. It makes it > smell more and he might start eating. Got the first symptom set, not the second set. Warming the cat's food hasn't sparked his interest. The aroma did draw comment from the wife the first time she smelled it ... not knowing what I was up to. >:^) **Hi Phil, I'd forget about the cat food, try any* food that he will eat. This is at a critical stage, and it's crucial now that he eats. Try feeding him some broiled and salted chicken breast, cut up in small pieces, and, try some (slightly diluted w/ water) milk, give him ham, turkey, whatever* he will eat, as much as he wants. Hand-feed him and gently coax him to eat. I am so very sorry he is sick and his health is faltering.. I bet it was that blankly blank vaccine they gave him! Plus the stress of adjusting his new environment so quickly. Poor guy. I'm so very sorry. Just try feeding him anything* that he shows interest in, and* I'd get him an appetite stimulant, pronto! Good luck to you and your sick boy, Conan. ML -- Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and in fullness of faith. Let us hold to the hope we profess, without wavering, for the one who has promised is faithful. Heb 10:19-25 > >I wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > hasn't sparked his interest. The aroma did draw comment from the wife the > first time she smelled it ... not knowing what I was up to. >:^) >> >I wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> hasn't sparked his interest. The aroma did draw comment from the wife the >> first time she smelled it ... not knowing what I was up to. >:^) > **Hi Phil, > I'd forget about the cat food, try any* food that he will eat. This is at [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Heb 10:19-25 I like being a little informal but "Phil P" on this forum has made it abundantly clear there must be a separation between himself "Phil P" and me ... "Philip" Being that Animal Control brought him in as a stray, do you suggest I try a live mouse? I've never prepared mouse before and would appreciate a stir fry recipe if you have one. JUST KIDDING! Today's drama continues on "Re: !!Re: Rescued from Shelter" Conan has been on the appetite stimulant since Saturday afternoon but the effect was short lived, even at twice the vet's original dose. We're at syringe force feeding with AD formula now. > "Innovo" <InnovoBegins@home.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ML > > -- Phillip replied: > I like being a little informal but "Phil P" on this forum has made it > abundantly clear there must be a separation between himself "Phil P" and me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > effect was short lived, even at twice the vet's original dose. We're at > syringe force feeding with AD formula now. ***Phillip: I'm sorry I missed the post, I didn't read all the gazillion posts under this thread. So, he will not eat any* people food?! That's frankly hard to swallow..sorry ;-). Most every single cat I have known has at least some type of favorite people food that they will eat gladly. I say, if he hates the 'medicine' type of cat food that you are now force feeding him, then I'd try something different. Buy some Gerber brand baby food jars, veal or ham or lamb. Heat slightly (5 seconds) in microwave. See if he will eat it on his own, if not, then force feed him some of that. Buy a can of Swanson brand chicken broth and get some of that in him/ via syringe every 2 hours or so. Again, I'm really sorry that you and Conan have had to go about terrible ordeal! Hang in there! ML >> snip >> Today's drama continues on "Re: !!Re: Rescued from Shelter" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > swallow..sorry ;-). Most every single cat I have known has at least some > type of favorite people food that they will eat gladly. Well, I asked Conan if he would like to try Hometown Buffet or some fresh knishes from Canter's Delicatessen but I couldn't make out the response as being positive. I don't think either establishment would allow a Cat Scan of their food anyway. > I say, if he hates the 'medicine' type of cat food that you are now force > feeding him, then I'd try something different. Buy some Gerber brand baby [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ML So far, KMR and now Hill's A/D (liquid replacement diet) is tolerated. It's my technique of administering it that had to be honed for this cat. > >> snip > >> Today's drama continues on "Re: !!Re: Rescued from Shelter" [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > ML *Phillip replied: > So far, KMR and now Hill's A/D (liquid replacement diet) is tolerated. It's > my technique of administering it that had to be honed for this cat. **Phillip, You still didn't say whether or not you had already tried letting him eat people food? I do remember a post about him eating a can of tuna., weell try that again! But ,keep in mind that male cats are not supposed too eat much fish because it can cause health issues, but for right now, just focus on getting him to eat something*, period! Please, at least*, try feeding him a jar of 'Gerber' brand baby food, and/or some chicken or turkey. Cheryl right, you've got to get a significant amount food in him, by whatever method it takes to do it. Then he can build some straight by the nutrition to battle this bad cold/ pneumonia-SP? or whatever he has. BTW, I've neeever known a cat to turn down turkey, but considering he's very ill, he very well might. Just keep trying and loving him, because that's the best you can do and you are* doing a GREAT job! :-) May God bless you for your efforts! ML > You still didn't say whether or not you had already tried letting him eat > people food? I do remember a post about him eating a can of tuna., weell [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ML He's force-feeding him plenty of KMR and A/D food. People food can be used to stimulate his appetite and getting back to eating on his own, but it sounds like he's getting enough nutrition right now. Signature-Kelly > Conan has been on the appetite stimulant since Saturday afternoon but the > effect was short lived, even at twice the vet's original dose. We're at > syringe force feeding with AD formula now. We had a stray at the shelter one time that would not eat. No apparent signs of illness, just wouldn't eat. She was finally adopted even with this situation (we were force-feeding her and the new owners took this on). The new owners reported back to us that they finally found one flavor of Friskies that she would eat, and that was it. FWIW, my cat Antonio had a raging URI when I brought him home. I was fostering him at the time. Poor thing sounded like Darth Vader he was so congested. He was on Zenequin and would eat, fortunately. I did the heated up food for him and also poured juice from a tuna can on it so he could smell. He got over the URI in about two weeks, and hasn't been sick since. Are you still leaving food out for him? Leave a small amount of canned and if you leave any dry, leave a number of kibbles that's easy to count so you can keep track of how many he eats. Signature-Kelly >> Conan has been on the appetite stimulant since Saturday afternoon but the >> effect was short lived, even at twice the vet's original dose. We're at [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and if you leave any dry, leave a number of kibbles that's easy to count > so you can keep track of how many he eats. Yup. JUST got finished administering the afternoon teat. 80cc's + antibiotic tablet. There's dry food, a little wet, and water set out. When the fresh sits out for a few hours, it gets tossed. Conan's nose had a little pale green discharge this afternoon. Has constant sniffles. Please don't expect me to count kibbles. Come on! LOL > I just posted to Cheryl, you might take a look at that post. Conan is not > presenting a "minor problem" here. I bought a can of KMR this evening and > syringed 30-40cc down his throat. How much and how often do you feed this > stuff to an adult? He's also starting to smell a bit like urine all over > but is hind area is dry and he is not leaking where he sleeps. This is new. Yeah I reckon he didn't need no vaccine till he got settled in. mmhmmm All this stress done got him tied up in a not. Stress is a real bad thing. You gotta love that cat into believing he is home, and he'll stop worrying about you taking him back. I read your post. I know you're doing right by him. You hang in there, that cat is going to be fine. mmhmmm Conan was active and alert until about 24 >hrs after arriving home. Lets be realistic here Fillup I read two of your posts and I was so ill I felt like upchucking.......to have something thats alive actually living with you.......sigh.....I can't imagine the horror.....please give the cat a chance and get rid of him..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Conan was active and alert until about 24 >> hrs after arriving home. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Brad You just earned the K-file. > > Conan was active and alert until about 24 > >> hrs after arriving home. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You just earned the K-file. Phillip, you earned the Eternal Dickhead file for simply mentioning that you might return Conan just for being sick. Brad is right. You're a selfish, shallow old sot who should leave cats to those who love them. >>> Conan was active and alert until about 24 >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > You're a selfish, shallow old sot who should leave cats to those who love > them. I, too, would really like to see Phillip stick it out. I just have a gut feeling that Conan will beat the URI and once he does, he'll be the greatest cat Phillip could have ever wanted. However, I, too, once returned a cat to the shelter. He only lasted at my house a week after peeing EVERYWHERE. I had no idea what I was in for and certainly did not have the skills or education at the time to deal with it. DH wanting to let poor Lex outside (with no front claws!!!) did not help matters. The main problem was that poor Lex had already been returned to the shelter before we took him. They told us "the behavior has changed. He does not spray or pee outside the box at all" which was totally false. He did it everywhere!!! We took him back a week later. I cried the WHOLE time. I felt miserable for months. The shelter is a no-kill shelter and Lex still lives there. I went to visit him several times after we returned him. I watched him pee outside his litter box before my very eyes. Right after the techs told me he really doesnt do that there. How can they keep a 24 hour watch on him, ya know? Well, I went to visit him recently. He is STILL there. And STILL peeing outside the box. The shelter wont adopt him out but fortunately wont put him down either. In the meanwhile, we ended up with Jasper. And you all know from my Jasper tales that I am willing to go the distance! Just because we realize we have limitations, does not mean we are not responsible pet owners or that we dont love cats. Personally, I think the whole Lex situation worked out the way it did just so I *would* have room in my home for Jasper when the time came. Of course, I didn't know that at the time and after returning Lex I swore I'd never get another cat as long as Luna was still with us. And maybe never again...EVER. I truly felt like low-life scum the day we brought Lex back to the shelter. But I know better now. I was just accepting what I could not control or handle. All that being said, I *still* hope that Phillip can find it in his heart to stick it out. Conan sounds like a wonderful cat and just needs some serious TLC and medical care. YOU CAN DO IT, PHILLIP! :) Pam -looking at Jasper sleeping soundly :):) >>>> Conan was active and alert until about 24 >>>> hrs after arriving home. >>>> >>>> Lets be snip >>>> Brad >>> >>> You just earned the K-file, Brad. >> >> Phillip, you earned snipped Mary's talons. > I, too, would really like to see Phillip stick it out. I just have a > gut feeling that Conan will beat the URI and once he does, he'll be > the greatest cat Phillip could have ever wanted. The matter is in God's hands. I'm going through the motions of seeing to it he takes nutrition against his will for the short term. If this is supposed to be, Conan will show progress toward wellness. But I did not bargain for a long term science project. > However, I, too, once returned a cat to the shelter. He only lasted at > my house a week after peeing EVERYWHERE. I had no idea what I was in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > STILL there. And STILL peeing outside the box. The shelter wont adopt > him out but fortunately wont put him down either. Crudely put, you cut your losses early and wisely. Don't keep looking back. Doing so is akin to picking at a scab. You learned a bit about how you think and that will benefit future choices in pets. > In the meanwhile, we ended up with Jasper. And you all know from my > Jasper tales that I am willing to go the distance! > > Just because we realize we have limitations, does not mean we are not > responsible pet owners or that we dont love cats. Mary will take you to the mat on that point. > Personally, I think > the whole Lex situation worked out the way it did just so I *would* [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Pam > -looking at Jasper sleeping soundly :) I would not have put up with a neurotic piss bag in the house either. Talk about self inflicted MISERY. A few days will tell about Conan. > I would not have put up with a neurotic piss bag in the house either. Talk > about self inflicted MISERY. Well, here is how we differ. I didn't think of Lex as a "neurotic piss bag". My heart still breaks for him because his personality is WONDERFUL. He originally came to the shelter as a stray...one that had been declawed but NOT neutered. What kind of asshat would do that to a cat? DECLAW but NOT NEUTER??!! SO, he was defenseless, yet totally a TOM. His piss stunk to high hell because he was neutered so late. (I have never smelled anything like his pee...it made you gag...and at the shelter, they open the windows when Lex pees...it is that distinctive!!!) I'm sure he spends his time wondering why the f.ck his life sucks so bad. And that just kills me. When he wasnt busy peeing everywhere, he was playful and sweet. He purred and climbed up on your shoulder. See: http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/shelter_cats/lex06.html All the time. Even though he's a big boy, he just wanted to hang on you like that. Here are a few more shots of him. http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/shelter_cats/lex03.html http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/shelter_cats/lex04.html http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/shelter_cats/hidinglex.html http://public.fotki.com/kitkatluna/miscellaneous/shelter_cats/rafterslex.html (look how high he jumped on that last one!) I havent uploaded the pix I took of him during his week at my house. Makes me too sad. Needless to say, you'd get a real idea of his fine personality if you saw him sprawled out on the couch (that he later peed on) and playing with us. It makes me sad and MAD that he *is* so f'ed up that no one will ever enjoy his fantastic personality as a pet. I would like to KILL the person that put him thru declaw surgery and didn't have the decency to have him fixed...and then LET HIM RUN FREE!!! > A few days will tell about Conan. Well, I'll be rooting for him. Do you know if the shelter he came from is a no-kill shelter? I sure hope so. There would be NO NO NO reason to put that kitty down. Good luck. I mean it. Pam >> I would not have put up with a neurotic piss bag in the house >> either. Talk about self inflicted MISERY. > > Well, here is how we differ. Well ... you and I do not differ in the decision to remove the problem from the household. Men and women can look at the same condition quite differently yet come to same conclusion or ... close to it. > I didn't think of Lex as a "neurotic piss bag". Might be the first time you ever hear the phrase! LOL > My heart still breaks for him because his personality is WONDERFUL. He > originally came to the shelter as a stray...one that had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > everywhere, he was playful and sweet. He purred and climbed up on your > shoulder. See: snip I would stop nursing the pain and loss in spite of any secondary gains. > > A few days will tell about Conan. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Good luck. I mean it. > Pam High kill shelter. Two weeks is an average stay for an adult cat. I know this. Conan is asleep on the high back of a Lazy Boy with a snot rag under his red snoot ... a little light green discharge from time to time. I'm waiting for somebody here or the vet to recommend a saline nasal wash (perish the thought). Or this might connected to the amoxicillin. Thank you for your well wishes. > High kill shelter. Two weeks is an average stay for an adult cat. I know > this. Conan is asleep on the high back of a Lazy Boy with a snot rag under > his red snoot ... a little light green discharge from time to time. I'm > waiting for somebody here or the vet to recommend a saline nasal wash > (perish the thought). Or this might connected to the amoxicillin. Thank > you for your well wishes. Ugh. Not what I wanted to hear. If you do decide that you won't keep Conan, maybe someone on this board could put you in touch with another shelter (no-kill) or help set up an adoption. I don't mean to speak for anyone, but there have been instances where the contacts on this board have saved kitties from certain death. I imagine that Conan would be put down immediately *because* of his URI since they are so contagious. If I knew of a saline nasal wash for cats, I'd recommend it. Have you checked petco/petsmart for such an item? Pam > Ugh. Not what I wanted to hear. If you do decide that you won't keep > Conan, maybe someone on this board could put you in touch with another > shelter (no-kill) or help set up an adoption. I don't mean to speak for > anyone, but there have been instances where the contacts on this board > have saved kitties from certain death. I imagine that Conan would be put > down immediately *because* of his URI since they are so contagious. If Philip wasn't on the other side of the country, I would get Conan into the shelter I'm with. A sweet, orange boy? Those fly out the door here. I know I could get a foster while he recovered from his URI. Signature-Kelly Philip wasn't on the other side of the country, I would get Conan into > the shelter I'm with. A sweet, orange boy? Those fly out the door here. I > know I could get a foster while he recovered from his URI. Philips withdrawal from Conan updates is bothering me. > >>>> Conan was active and alert until about 24 > >>>> hrs after arriving home. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> Phillip, you earned > snipped Mary's talons. You don't need any more pussies in your house, Bud. You are pussy enough for all of flash and trash LA. >> Conan was active and alert until about 24 >>> hrs after arriving home. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >You just earned the K-file. NO NO NO!!!!!! Not the dreaded killfile.....never mind I think I am going to hang myself......goodbye Fillup......sigh.....do you think anyone would be upset about YOU Fillup killfiling them...???...lol..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Lets be realistic here Fillup I read two of your posts and I was so > ill I felt like upchucking.......to have something thats alive > actually living with you.......sigh.....I can't imagine the > horror.....please give the cat a chance and get rid of him..... Let's be realistic Brad, the idea here is not to get everyone to be the same. No matter our personal opinions and belief systems. If you read all of Philip's post or just 50% of them, you will find that much time and diligence has been put into conan. I know what Philip said in his post about returning the cat; but what people say and what people do are usually two different things. If I was a salesman, I interpretted what Philip said as... "I am going to keep this cat", I am just disapointed right now. I have learned to work with what I have. Regardless of any emotion involved and or again; my personal belief system. It matters not! my personal opinions, or likes or dislikes. I just think it is better to stay focuced on the task at hand. I am a salesman from the old school, when I was 15 years old (this is the truth) I was breaking old company records for highest sales for newspaper subscriptions. I went door to door cold calling, I had a closing ratio somewhere around 1 out of 3? so it was just a numbers thing with me. Everyone else? say... 1 out of 7. The difference was that I knew how to talk a snake out of tree. It is best to un-inhibit your target, you WANT to know thier fears. You don't want it sugar coated and white washed, you want the facts. Philip set himself up for the kill, when he told the truth, he feared that this would be an ongoing matter, he expressed he is 70 yrs old, and did not want to live out the rest of his life nursing a cat. He was disapointed. My point is, I sold more subscriptions, changed more peoples minds when they had "Do Not Solicit" on their door. The sign said "Do Not Solicit" but what understood the sign to say is... "Be easy on me, I am an easy target for sales pitches...and uh..I buy anything". lol It's not over till it's over. And if in the end, the desired result is produced; then I don't care what someone says, I don't want to in-hibit that one from being honest with me. Besides, Philip is just nursing a cat that landed in the shelter and statistically, that cat came from one of the breeders I hear you support. >> Lets be realistic here Fillup ... snip Which cleared Brad for the K-file where he now resides. > Let's be realistic Brad, the idea here is not to get everyone to be the > same. No matter our personal opinions and belief systems. If you read [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > "I am going to keep this cat", I am just disapointed right now. Have you and my wife been talkin'? >:^/ snip > It is best to un-inhibit your target, you WANT to know their fears. You > don't want it sugar coated and white washed, you want the facts. Philip > set himself up for the kill, when he told the truth, he feared that > this would be an ongoing matter, he expressed he is 70 yrs old, and did > not want to live out the rest of his life nursing a cat. He was (is) > disappointed. snip > It's not over till it's over. And if in the end, the desired result is > produced; then I don't care what someone says, I don't want to in-hibit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > statistically, that cat came from one of the breeders I hear you (Brad) > support. Speaking of nursing, it's time to administer via syringe the Hill's A/D gruel and two pulverized appetite & Lysine tablets ... this under equal protest. > I know what Philip said in his post about returning the cat; but what > people say and what people do are usually two different things. I hope you're right but the fact that he has a time limit on the cat's recovery concerns me. I'm sure the poor cat will get better; I just don't know if it will be within the parameters he is demanding. > I am a salesman from the old school, when I was 15 years old (this is > the truth) I was breaking old company records for highest sales for > newspaper subscriptions. I went door to door cold calling, I had a > closing ratio somewhere around 1 out of 3? so it was just a numbers > thing with me. Everyone else? say... 1 out of 7. The difference was > that I knew how to talk a snake out of tree. Was that it? i think most people find it hard to resist a kid selling the paper when they do it directly. We just recently subscribed to our local rag just because we felt sorry for the kid. It was an 8 week subscription deal. We never once opened the paper in those 8 weeks, just threw it directly into the recycle bin. Now we're just going to avoid the kid in the future. Candace > Was that it? i think most people find it hard to resist a kid selling > the paper when they do it directly. We just recently subscribed to our [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Candace So long as the end result is the desired result. but I also set sales records later in life (several years later) running my own independent insurance agency with one of the largest insurance companies in the nation at that time, they are now defunct. The trick, is to discover the fear and undo the fear, and diffuse it. In Philips case, I think it is important that he is allowed to be honest without fear of being rejected or berated because of it. He's going to do what he wants no matter what people say, and you know human nature! it tends to want what it cannot have. I'd rather want what I don't have, than have something I don't want. "bigbadbarry" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote : > In Philips case, I think it is important that he is allowed to be > honest without fear of being rejected or berated because of it. I think you are right. I also think he is a flaming f.cking a.shole who thinks he is entitled to snap his fingers and get whatever he wants. He has swapped genuine emotion for expediency. He is part of what is wrong with the world today. He actually has the gall to sneer at people who still have intact hearts. It is a typical thing with these dried up 1960s studs. The kind who used to tell young women who were hurt by being treated like punchboards "the problem with you is that you cannot separate your emotions from your sex drive." The fact is, that is not a problem. It's a symptom of the kind of sickness Phillip exhibits now. > He's going to do what he wants no matter what people say, and you know > human nature! it tends to want what it cannot have. > > I'd rather want what I don't have, than have something I don't want. The problem is, these are not things. They are cats. > The problem is, these are not things. They are cats. lol I didn't mean that about a cat. For some reason, I don't why, when I wrote that line, I was thinking about a wife for example...but if it is looked at in Philips case, I don't mean it this way. Not at all. > > I know what Philip said in his post about returning the cat; but what > > people say and what people do are usually two different things. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > just threw it directly into the recycle bin. Now we're just going to > avoid the kid in the future. And yet, Barry does have a good point here. That *anyone* is willing to talk to Dickhead Phillip at this point is a good thing. And consider this: people generally mellow with age. Bet this a.shole has left a trail of destruction in his fetid wake. Women, animals, Ugh. >Let's be realistic Brad, the idea here is not to get everyone to be the >same. No matter our personal opinions and belief systems. If you read >all of Philip's post or just 50% of them, you will find that much time >and diligence has been put into conan. >Besides, Philip is just nursing a cat that landed in the shelter and >statistically, that cat came from one of the breeders I hear you >support. I have a history with Fillup......Fillup is a wonderful person as long as you agree with what he is saying......he has done a lot of research about cats but his people skills are nada, nope, zippo.....his first post to me was full of filth and name calling because he didn't agree with something I said......I wasn't addressing anyone or being arguementative in any way he just felt differently than I did and thats a big time no no.......I would say he is a perfect a.s but no is perfect....... And as for supporting breeders.....I don't quite look at it that way.....I found a breed that interested me very much and went about finding one.......so yes I funded the breeder when I bought his cat but my next one will most certainly be from a shelter.....I get drawn to their cages every time I go into Petsmart and usually leave a donation.......not a lot but I have donated at least equal to the purchase of two cats by now.......Mary just lables people immediately and didn't plan on falling for me......luckily I am a forgiving person except for Fillup...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > I have a history with Fillup......Fillup is a wonderful person as long > as you agree with what he is saying......he has done a lot of research > about cats but his people skills are nada, nope, zippo.....his first > post to me was full of filth and name calling because he didn't agree > with something I said oh did he now : ......I wasn't addressing anyone or being > arguementative in any way he just felt differently than I did and > thats a big time no no.......I would say he is a perfect a.s but no is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > finding one.......so yes I funded the breeder when I bought his cat > but my next one will most certainly be from a shelter well hell, that cat was headed for the shelter you just cut out the middle man, Brad, until I started reading on this group, I had never so much as heard the term back yard breeder. >.....I get drawn > to their cages every time I go into Petsmart and usually leave a > donation.......not a lot but I have donated at least equal to the > purchase of two cats by now We used to have a petsmart in the mall, I always felt soo sad when I left from there, I wish I could take them all home. (and all the animals at the circus too) >.......Mary just lables people immediately > and didn't plan on falling for me...... You have recovered quite well from my B36 Modulator! To be honest, I only had it on taze level, it just felt like you was being mmmhodulated. heh heh heh "I said dance!" O #<r------------------------* woaahh!! >-<O H > luckily I am a forgiving person > except for Fillup...... For a small fee, I could lend you my modulator, but if you get caught, you didn't get it from me. >To be honest, I only had it on taze level, it just felt like you was >being mmmhodulated. heh heh heh Thats a good thing.......I felt something akin to a mosquito bite....but a damn big one though....... >"I said dance!" >O [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >For a small fee, I could lend you my modulator, but if you get caught, >you didn't get it from me. I would much rather just hire you out and not be involved with the whole ugly mess......be careful not to get any spatter on the cats though........that might be tough though I have a feeling they would be on his neck as soon as he hit the floor...... Just remember something though.....fun is fun but I'm serious about you staying away from my woman.....my fantasies about me and my Cat Woman are pretty intense.......except for the part when I get her declawed she gets pretty pissed about that...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >To be honest, I only had it on taze level, it just felt like you was > >being mmmhodulated. heh heh heh [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Woman are pretty intense.......except for the part when I get her > declawed she gets pretty pissed about that...... f.cking groupies. >> >To be honest, I only had it on taze level, it just felt like you was >> >being mmmhodulated. heh heh heh [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >f.cking groupies. YES YES YES!!!!.......Talk dirty to me Mary.....you know how I like that........more more..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A > WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, > SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" One more thing. It's not over till it's over. Philip got the cat from the shelter as a direct result of the people in this group. Philip has opened a small window into his home for all the world to see by way of this group... snipped > One more thing. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > this group. Philip has opened a small window into his home for all the > world to see by way of this group... Indeed. Two things became very apparent by the end of the second day visiting this forum. First there are *some* focused and informed people here. Second, there are *some* compassion fascists here that rival al Qaida followers with their fervor. And there are people who swing from one group to the other as the subject matter focus changes (technical vs. personal catfights) in each thread. This forum is more than a library, it's a women's club. I'm here for the library part and as repayment, to share the story as it develops. So thanks to those of you who have helped thus far. Now if you will excuse me, it's time to poke food and meds into the cat. > snipped > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Now if you will excuse me, it's time to poke food and meds into the cat. This is a pretty accurate assessment. Phillip recognizes the "swing" group because he swings like a pendulum between sexist, shallow dickhead and what almost passes for an okay human. An emotionally bankrupt human, but *almost* a cat lover. > Indeed. Two things became very apparent by the end of the second day > visiting this forum. First there are *some* focused and informed people > here. Second, there are *some* compassion fascists here that rival al Q |
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