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KellyH - 06 Jun 2005 07:19 GMT

Did anyone catch the 20/20 segment this past Friday about SPCA's "absuing"
power? It was horribly biased, and defended scumbag backyard breeders who
had been busted. It made me mad, I was yelling at the TV the through the
whole thing.
John Stossel has no idea what he is talking about. He kept saying the
Dallas SPCA was "selling" the siezed animals and said "but they call it
adoption fees". UGH!! Does he have ANY clue what goes into making a typical
siezed dog or cat adoptable? They are usually in worse shape than a stray!
Here's a link to the story.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=817494&page=1

-Kelly

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Philip - 06 Jun 2005 08:24 GMT

> Did anyone catch the 20/20 segment this past Friday about SPCA's
> "absuing" power? It was horribly biased, and defended scumbag
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> -Kelly

I just read the ABC 20/20 article at the above link.

As a long time pet owner (overwhelmingly cats), never a breeder nor a pet
crusader ... and considering what I've learned and experienced personally in
the very recent acquision of "Conan" (a stray tabby cat from the pound), my
impression is John Stossel walked a pretty neutral path. There ARE little
people with a little power inhabiting these animal care and pet adoption
organizations. There ARE animal owners and breeders who neglect pets in
their charge. And there IS a bottom financial line that has to be met in
spite of The Volunteers.

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Innovo - 06 Jun 2005 14:59 GMT

> > Did anyone catch the 20/20 segment this past Friday about SPCA's
> > "absuing" power? It was horribly biased, and defended scumbag
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> >
> > -Kelly

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t replied:

> I just read the ABC 20/20 article at the above link.
>
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> their charge. And there IS a bottom financial line that has to be met in
> spite of The Volunteers.

***I agree with your response Philip. Very well put. I, personally would
think that that the SPCA are indeed incorrect in their assessments
sometimes, because that is human nature and happens freqently with many/any
businesses. I felt very sorry for several of the women who had their animals
taken away and sold, who obviously, didn't have near the money or clout to
hire a lawyer like the guy with all the fine houses who actually won his
case against them and got his horses back.

The head guy of the SPCA, whathisname, did apparently lie and say the
animals were absolutely examined by vets, which they initially were not. The
TV crew actually had a vet with them during the raid, undercover, who stated
that the animals did not* appear to be negliated and abused.

We don't have an SPCA where I live, and wish to heck we did. At least a
group that had some real bite, not just silly legal hand 'taps', who
wouldn't shirk their responsibities and wind up pitting you/ the caller
against the person(s) who are acting out thier neglect on an animal, like
they recently did with me. Nope, all we have here is a tiny animal control
group, sooo bogged down with pratically zero aothority 'power' to do
practically anything much in saving and rescuing neglected and abused
animals. And that is a crime by our commmunity and government, IMO.

ML

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KellyH - 06 Jun 2005 15:10 GMT

> ***I agree with your response Philip. Very well put. I, personally would
> think that that the SPCA are indeed incorrect in their assessments
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> hire a lawyer like the guy with all the fine houses who actually won his
> case against them and got his horses back.

I have absolutely no sympathy for BYB's. Those dogs deserve a better life
than to be kept in pens and be breeding machines.

-Kelly

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Philip - 06 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT

>> ***I agree with your response Philip. Very well put. I, personally would
>> think that that the SPCA are indeed incorrect in their assessments
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>
> -Kelly

Kelly ... your compassion fascism prevents meaningful objectivity and
reasonable corrective actions were you empowered with legal authority.

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Ron Herfurth - 06 Jun 2005 20:29 GMT

> Did anyone catch the 20/20 segment this past Friday about SPCA's "absuing"
> power? It was horribly biased, and defended scumbag backyard breeders who
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>
> -Kelly

And if Dave Garcia worked at the Charlottesville SPCA what would keep him
from seizing all 19 of my rescued cats? All spayed and neutered by the way.
The only reason Dave seized some of those dogs was he said they were
malnourished and starving but John, the vet acting as a cameraman, and a
volunteer at the Dallas SPCA said some of them were over weight. Dave said
they were all urine soaked but everyone was handling and hugging them like
they just been bathed. Dave said the judge agreed that these animals were
abused but the judge never saw the animals, the judge just took Dave's word
for it.
Ron

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Philip - 06 Jun 2005 21:14 GMT

>> Did anyone catch the 20/20 segment this past Friday about SPCA's
>> "absuing" power? It was horribly biased, and defended scumbag
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> saw the animals, the judge just took Dave's word for it.
> Ron

Ron: NINETEEN cats? Rescued or otherwise, you deserve one of these!

http://www.accoutrements.com/products/11377.html

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KellyH - 06 Jun 2005 21:27 GMT

> And if Dave Garcia worked at the Charlottesville SPCA what would keep him
> from seizing all 19 of my rescued cats? All spayed and neutered by the
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> for it.
> Ron

Our shelter took in dogs from a BYB and some of them were overweight,
probably from living in a pen with no exercise. As for handling the dogs, I
only handle the cats at the shelter, but when handling an unfamiliar cat,
you have to hold them tightly and close (dirty or not), or you lose control.
I would imagine it's the same with dogs.
No one would come seize your cats if you are taking proper care. I did not
see that these dogs were being cared for properly.
No shelter that I know of goes looking for animals. There are plenty coming
in. When our shelter gets large amounts of animals from a breeder or
collector, we go into crisis mode. It's very difficult to manage. At least
in this state, if there are abuse charges being filed, the animals have to
be held as evidence. This means the animals have to be held for months
before the case comes up in court. In the end, if the charges are
dismissed, the person can take them back. How did that benefit the shelter?
Believe me, we don't go looking for these people.
We also don't charge higher adoption fees for purebreds then a mixed breed,
and like I said before, breeder dogs and cats need much more work in general
than a stray.

-Kelly

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