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Sick Cat - Second Opinion or Specialist?  Lymphoma?

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Pat - 01 Jun 2005 00:55 GMT
Hello all - this is my first post and I'm hoping you all have some
advice for me.

My cat Snowball is about 10 years old.  We adopted her when she was
around 2 from Humane Society.  She's been having normal checkups since
then (around 1998) with the last normal one June 2004.

In December 2004 we noticed she had lost what we thought was a lot of
weight.  This was coupled with my husband feeding her people food and
her turning her nose up at regular cat food.  So we made an appointment
with the vet.

Tests done:  General Health Profile BP2; CBC and Electrolyte
Panel;        FELV/FIV Test.  Vet said all were normal.

1/2005 - Back for recheck - Tests done:  Glucose Blood
Test;Cystocentesis;    Thyroid Level Profile T4.  Vet said all were
normal.

We stopped the people food, started giving wet cat food and her
appetite started improving.  So much so that she started always begging
for food!  We were advised to keep this up and bring her in for
periodic weighing.  We did and she always seemed to be gaining a little
bit each time.

5/2005 - Decided to bring back for a formal appointment because even
though she was hungry all the time I did not feel she was gaining
enough weight. Also she was more lethargic and it seemed like she was
vomiting more often than usual.

THIS time the vet was alarmed by the cat's distended abdomen/thickened
intestines and said based on everything so far, she felt that Snowball
was not absorbing nutrients no matter how much she eats and thinks
it's lymphoma.  SHe advised us to see a specialist for a colonoscopy.

A couple of questions:
1.    Wouldn't lymphoma have shown up on any of those tests?
2.    Why colonoscopy? Why not biopsy? Or ultrasound?
3.      Should I get a 2nd opinion from another regular vet or just go
to the specialist and see what they say?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give based on your
experiences.

Pat
Karen - 01 Jun 2005 04:34 GMT
> Hello all - this is my first post and I'm hoping you all have some
> advice for me.
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>
> Pat

My cat had advanced stomach lymphona (lining thickeded to 3 times or more of
normal, almost no normal tissue left) and his blood tests were fine and
until he began throwing up two weeks before we put him to sleep he ate
normally (even piggishly) and and showed no distress. I guess if I were you,
I'd see the specialist right away for as firm a diagnosis as you can get.
Sometimes, they just can't tell with out directly looking at the affected
areas.
KellyH - 01 Jun 2005 11:03 GMT
> Hello all - this is my first post and I'm hoping you all have some
> advice for me.

<snip>
> A couple of questions:
> 1. Wouldn't lymphoma have shown up on any of those tests?
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>
> Pat

From what I understand, and I may be wrong, you will want to ask this of the
vet, if they do a colonoscopy, they will do a biopsy at that time.
If I were you, I would ask the vet to repeat the bloodwork, since the
previous results were a while ago.  If she has an elevated white blood cell
count, she may have lymphoma.
If you do not want to go invasive with the colonoscopy right away, you could
opt for the ultrasound.  However, the ultrasound cannot make a distinction
between lymphoma and IBD, but it can give you an idea as to how widespread
this is.
My cat Dash died of probable instestinal lymphoma.  She had a bad heart
murmur, and could not undergo the anesthesia, so we only had the ultrasound.
In a way, I wish I could have known for my own piece of mind whether or not
it was cancer, although it would not have affected her treatment plan much.
She had some other health issues and was not a good candidate for chemo.  IF
your cat is otherwise in good health, this may be an option for you.

Good luck,  I'm sorry your kitty is suffering with this.

-Kelly
Phil P. - 01 Jun 2005 20:04 GMT
> Hello all - this is my first post and I'm hoping you all have some
> advice for me.
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> 1. Wouldn't lymphoma have shown up on any of those tests?
> 2. Why colonoscopy? Why not biopsy?

Your vet probably wants to try a colonoscopy first and spare your cat the
trauma of surgery.

> Or ultrasound?

Ultrasounds aren't really good for IBD/lymphoma because clinically both
appear the same. Biopsy is really the only reliable method of distinguishing
IBD from lymphoma. IBD might actually be precursor to lymphoma.

> 3.      Should I get a 2nd opinion from another regular vet or just go
> to the specialist and see what they say?

I'd see what the specialist has to say.  If you're not satisfied, you can
always get a second opinion.

> Thanks in advance for any advice you can give based on your
> experiences.
>
> Pat

Best of luck,

Phil
Pat - 01 Jun 2005 21:08 GMT
Thank you all.  I think I will call the specialist for an appointment
for a consulation.  I guess I was thinking ultrasound, Phil, because I
was assuming it might show a tumor and would be easier on the cat.  But
it sounds like the vet recommended colonoscopy for the reason you
state.
Pat - 16 Jun 2005 16:03 GMT
Update on Snowball - took her to the specialist who has diagnosed her
with Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency.  Great news because we just get
an enzyme to sprinkle on her food, special diet (at least for a while),
and an antibiotic for 10 days.  So happy we don't have to think about
an endoscopy!
Mary - 16 Jun 2005 17:56 GMT
> Update on Snowball - took her to the specialist who has diagnosed her
> with Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency.  Great news because we just get
> an enzyme to sprinkle on her food, special diet (at least for a while),
> and an antibiotic for 10 days.  So happy we don't have to think about
> an endoscopy!

Yay, Snowball! Tell us more about this disease if you have time. I have
never
heard of it. It sounds scary, will it be cured in just 10 days?
Pat - 17 Jun 2005 18:27 GMT
It's apparently very rare in cats - my vet said Snowball is a minor
celebrity around the office ;-).

It won't be 'cured' in 10 days - we actually have to give her enzymes
for the rest of her life whenever she eats food or the symptoms will
return.  However, I'm grateful it's not lymphoma as we originally
suspected.

Thanks!
Mary - 17 Jun 2005 22:57 GMT
> It's apparently very rare in cats - my vet said Snowball is a minor
> celebrity around the office ;-).
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> return.  However, I'm grateful it's not lymphoma as we originally
> suspected.

Sending best wishes and good purrs for a long, happy
life for Snowball. She is very lucky to have someone who takes
such good care of her. Now, we cannot possibly help you
further without seeing some photos. :) Got a photo
web site?
Pat - 20 Jun 2005 01:56 GMT
LOL - been meaning to.  I just uploaded a 'shell' which I plan to
improve when time permits.  For now, go here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cordes_3.  Click on the 'My Pets' link and
you'll see Snowball (and Maggie too!).
Pat - 19 Jul 2005 19:30 GMT
It's been 6 weeks now and although Snowball does not seem 'famished'
anymore, she hasn't gained weight yet.  The prozyme info says it could
take 8 weeks.

The problem now is excessive urination.  She seems to be drinking more
and urinating excessively - like 1/2 the litter box is wet!

Even though she was just tested for diabetes 6 weeks ago, I'm guessing
I'll have to take her back in.  The specialist vet said that they can
develop diabetes at any time.  Any ideas what else it could be?
Phil P. - 16 Jun 2005 22:04 GMT
> Update on Snowball - took her to the specialist who has diagnosed her
> with Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency.  Great news because we just get
> an enzyme to sprinkle on her food, special diet (at least for a while),
> and an antibiotic for 10 days.  So happy we don't have to think about
> an endoscopy!

Pat, speak to your vet about a cobalamin (vitamin B12) supplement (not much-
about 100-250 mcg/wk IM), an oral folate supplement (~400 mcg orally) and an
antacid (cimetidine).  Cats with EPI almost always have severe depletion of
total body cobalamin stores.  This causes villous atrophy and intestinal
inflammation and also malasbortion, so the pancreatic enzymes may not work
by themselves.  EPI cats are also often hyperacidic- which can inactivate
the pancreatic enzyme supplement.  An antacid will help reduce gastric acid
secretion and help the enzyme supplement work more efficiently. I'm glad
you're using powder- the pills don't work as well (if at all).

Best of luck.

Phil
Pat - 17 Jun 2005 18:29 GMT
Hmm - I didn't know that.  I will have to give the vet a call and do
some research on my own.  Thanks!
 
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