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Brandy Alexandre - 31 May 2005 16:23 GMT Kami and I have returned from our nearly 4-month excursion to Los Angeles. The old fart still surprised me handling the long two-day car ride out and back. I was prepared to make each way three days for shorter time in the car, but as she didn't complain, I kept on driving.
While it would have been safer to keep her in her carrier, that's the only time she whined. A siamese whining is something one does not want to tolerate for long, so I let her do as she pleased, which was at times sleeping in the litter box. She also did some VERY unsafe time on the floor of my side, and she learned quickly that there are some ways she could not lay. I warned her I will step on her before I crash the car.
She seemed to thrive in The Valley, where she is native, and regained lost weight. Aside from the asthma emergency and the "never get in the litter box with wet feet" feet of clay hilarity, she's unscathed.
Kudos to Motel 6 for being both inexpensive and allowing pets. The biggest tragedy of the trip was that I left my Mickey Mouse watch in Gallup, New Mexico.
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Barb - 01 Jun 2005 15:18 GMT Glad you had such a good trip. Cats are so adjustable!
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
Brandy Alexandre - 02 Jun 2005 06:40 GMT Barb <bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Glad you had such a good trip. Cats are so adjustable! > > -- > Barb > Of course I don't look busy, > I did it right the first time. It's so hard to tell when they are so "high maintenance" otherwise. I mean, she's a PRINCESS and don't I understand how to treat ROYALTY?
Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was necessary. Feliway was a help, too.
BTW, I don't think I ever posted about "feet of clay." Kami had some litter stuck to her hind paws and I ran them under the faucet to get it off. She acting like I was killing her and wouldn't allow me to dry them. Ran off doing that odd "wet feet" dance.
About an hour later she came out again with litter totally caked to her two hind paws and REALLY doing the dance. She apparently got back into the box with her wet feet and they were completely covered with clump litter. It was hysterical and I accidentally laughed out loud. You know how easily cats are humiliated.
Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until she was dry.
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Joe Canuck - 02 Jun 2005 12:05 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Barb <bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It's so hard to tell when they are so "high maintenance" otherwise. I > mean, she's a PRINCESS and don't I understand how to treat ROYALTY? We know, what with the declawing and other nonsense you have put her through just so your nylons don't get runs.
> Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD > burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until > she was dry. equalizer - 02 Jun 2005 23:13 GMT >Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >We know, what with the declawing and other nonsense you have put her >through just so your nylons don't get runs.
>Yeah, you are trying and failing miserably. > >Take your complaints about Steve to email. > >They do not concern the group. Yeah, you are trying and failing miserably.
Take your complaints about Brandy to email.
They do not concern the group.
>> Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD >> burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until >> she was dry. Joe Canuck - 03 Jun 2005 20:43 GMT >>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > They do not concern the group. <ahem>
I am pointing out to the group a history here that not everyone may be aware of or want to do the extensive digging to find out since Missy B has placed the "X-No-Archive: yes".
She was caught contradicting herself many times until she decided the solution was the "X-No-Archive: yes" to prevent the archiving of posts into Google.
I consider it a public service annoucement. :)
>>>Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD >>>burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until >>>she was dry. equalizer - 04 Jun 2005 00:27 GMT >>>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >I consider it a public service annoucement. :) No explanation needed, Joe! If you want to wallow around in "Do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy, who am I to meddle?
eq
>>>>Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD >>>>burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>>Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until >>>>she was dry. Joe Canuck - 04 Jun 2005 00:48 GMT >>>>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > eq In your own mind.
>>>>>Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD >>>>>burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>>>Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until >>>>>she was dry. Steve G - 04 Jun 2005 00:58 GMT So, Joe - do you actually charge Brandy for her occupancy of your head, or is it a rent free deal?
Steve.
Mary - 04 Jun 2005 01:29 GMT > So, Joe - do you actually charge Brandy for her occupancy of your head, > or is it a rent free deal? I can see Joe's point. It is disgusting to have a cat declawed for any reason--including Brandy's--that Kami's her scratches showed up in her porno pics. It's annoying to have her show up and masquerade as a cat lover.
Meanwhile, you seem to like to post about how people post more than you like to post about cats, eh Stevie?
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> So, Joe - do you actually charge Brandy for her occupancy of your >> head, or is it a rent free deal? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Meanwhile, you seem to like to post about how people post > more than you like to post about cats, eh Stevie? That's one of Joe's (or Phil's?) lies. They're obsessed with me being in porn and attribute my every move and thought to it. You know, the things people used to flame with are things that are important to them. Just like when somebody uses the "illiterate" flame, they're really saying they're fearful about their own literacy. Therefore, since this guys uses declawing Kami because of pictures or whatever as his flame, he's really say that in a similar position he would actually be one to take such an ugly, egotistical step.
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Mary - 04 Jun 2005 03:31 GMT > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > That's one of Joe's (or Phil's?) lies. They're obsessed with me being > in porn and attribute my every move and thought to it. So you did not declaw Kami? Or you did not declaw her because of scratch marks in photos? I have never seen you deny this before.
sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT > > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > showed up in her porno pics. It's annoying to have her show up > > > and masquerade as a cat lover before. The part that bugs me about declawing this particular cat really disturbs me since we got Bosley. Brandy claimed Kami would visciously attack her, the UPS guy, blah blah blah. So did Bosley. Bosley was so wild he not only attacked me, but he would *climb* the door facings when he'd have these aggressive spells. Bosley was overstimulated. His owner played too rough with him, teased him, talked in a loud voice to him. It took a *month* of isolation from the other cats, and showing him *nothing* but gentleness and leaving the room when he got mean for him to settle down. But he DID. He is the SWEETEST cat now. But you *still* have to watch his ears and tail, and leave him alone when he's had enough attention. So, I can't believe, now, that any cat's aggression can't be controlled without declaw. I just don't.
Sherry
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 04:12 GMT Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> That's one of Joe's (or Phil's?) lies. They're obsessed with me >> being in porn and attribute my every move and thought to it. > > So you did not declaw Kami? Or you did not declaw her because of > scratch marks in photos? I have never seen you deny this before. Most of the time I don't see the comments becuase others know better than to respond to the trolls and attacks. Only when they are quoted in a post from someone who's not killfiled do I ever know what's going, save the occasional email saying I should look.
Kami was declawed nearly 14 years ago. Attitudes were entirely different, or the negative ones not widespread, at the time.
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Mary - 04 Jun 2005 04:19 GMT > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Kami was declawed nearly 14 years ago. Attitudes were entirely > different, or the negative ones not widespread, at the time. So you did declaw her. Did you know what it entailed? And why did you?
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 04:43 GMT Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> So you did declaw her. Did you know what it entailed? And why did > you? No, not really. Kami has a Jekyl/Hyde disposition. I could be sitting on my couch watching TV and she's laying at the other end watching, too, or biting her toenails. The next time I look over I see nothing but teeth and claws coming at me for no reason at all. And she MEANS it. Bad dream, not the flavor food she wanted, any reason could flip her personality. Or it could just be that she's an Aries. ;)
I've often wondered about the fact that her mother's owners were pot smokers and liked to get the cat high. I've wondered if they did it while momma was pregnant and if it had effects on the kittens. No way to know for sure, but declawing at least cut in half the damage from completely unprovoked attacks. She's super sweet when she's sweet and no claws at least gave me a head start at protecting myself when suddenly slugged. And she has a good left hook, I much say!
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Mary - 04 Jun 2005 05:00 GMT > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > > > So you did declaw her. Did you know what it entailed? And why did > > you? > > No, not really. Not really? Either you understood that it was the amputation of the first joint of her toes or not.
Philip - 04 Jun 2005 06:07 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > reason could flip her personality. Or it could just be that she's an > Aries. ;) snip
I resemble that remark ... as would my last cat (departed). >:^( Dual personalities is Gemini. LOL
Joe Canuck - 04 Jun 2005 12:51 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's one of Joe's (or Phil's?) lies. If you can prove that, please do.
> They're obsessed with me being > in porn and attribute my every move and thought to it. Your background is your problem and you have to live with that.
The only thing I am currently obsessing over is which laptop to purchase and how I'm going to spend my summer.
You are simply not important enough to be obsessing over.
You are in effect an attention whore and have the delusion that anyone who gives you more than a passing interest on Usenet is obsessing over you. Get over it.
If porn was something you *did* and you have moved beyond it at this point in your life... then why do you continue to project that image on Usenet with the "From:" line and your signature line?
I would think you would want to participate as just another user of the Internet, but no you want that past to follow you around... that is your claim to "fame" and your way of attracting others to satisfy your "attention whore" tendancies.
> You know, the > things people used to flame with are things that are important to them. Declawing, yes that *is* important to me... that it NOT take place.
> Just like when somebody uses the "illiterate" flame, they're really > saying they're fearful about their own literacy. Therefore, since this > guys uses declawing Kami because of pictures or whatever as his flame, > he's really say that in a similar position he would actually be one to > take such an ugly, egotistical step. I have had cats for 40 years and NEVER considered declawing.
Suppose roles are reversed, as ridiculous as this sounds, and Kami is the owner and you are the "pet".
Your nails are growing and Kami is getting scratched because of it. Kami decides to have your finger tips at the first joint all chopped off.
...imagine the pain.
...imagine the things you will not longer be able to do.
Claws are as much as part of cats as are your finger tips to you.
Your excuse that 14 years ago there was a different attitude is an excuse and not a very good one. It shows that you shift like the sands of the Sahara... you swing with public opinion... you don't stand by your own convictions.
What a flake.
Enough said, now I'm going to obsess over where I'm going with my cycling session today.
equalizer - 04 Jun 2005 14:02 GMT >Brandy Alexandre wrote: <SNIP diatribe>
Please take your obsession with Brandy to email, this stuff doesn't concern the group.
eq
Mary - 04 Jun 2005 15:50 GMT > >Brandy Alexandre wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > eq I think he's right.
equalizer - 04 Jun 2005 16:06 GMT >> >Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I think he's right. If you go back to the thread : Newbie questions, cat food, and this specific post: l82dnZt-5-FH4grfRVn-pA@magma.ca, you'll see this has little to do with Brandy. It's just an example to help Joe live what he preaches.
I consider it a public service annoucement. :)
eq
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 16:12 GMT Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> >Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think he's right. My email is and always has been available.
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Mary - 04 Jun 2005 16:31 GMT > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > My email is and always has been available. You knew you were mutilating her when you declawed her. "Attitudes" being different matters not a whit.
Since I like to remind people that Carl declawed his three kittens while knowing full and well what the procedure is, I would be a hypocrite to get on Joe's case for reminding us that you did this with Kami.
I agree with Sherry--there is never a reason for declawing.
And though I don't care what you did or do for a living, Joe has a point when he says that if you wanted the porn part left out of things you would not post under your porn name.
Point is, Joe is not lying about what you did--and Phil swears that you actually posted about scratches showing up in photos.
Eq's point that Joe is a hypocrite is another point. But as far as what Joes says about you, evidence suggests that it is true.
Have the integrity to at least own up to what you did and why. And if you post with your porn name expect people to bring up your past career.
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 17:03 GMT Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Eq's point that Joe is a hypocrite is another point. But as far as > what Joes says about you, evidence suggests that it is true. You know he's madly jerking off with glee that he actually got some idiot to believe it. What evidence are you talking about? Their say- so. You are a gullible twit.
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Mary - 04 Jun 2005 18:01 GMT > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > idiot to believe it. What evidence are you talking about? Their say- > so. You are a gullible twit. You said you had her declawed because she bit and scratched. That evidence. You did indeed know that the process was mutilation. Why not own up to it. Or are you saying you did not do this?
sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jun 2005 18:05 GMT > > Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That evidence. You did indeed know that the process was mutilation. > Why not own up to it. Or are you saying you did not do this? You know, I know a lot of people who declawed because they didn't know better. They were misled by veterinarians, and pre-internet, even I didn't know how bad and mutilating the procedure was. But we all know NOW. And the thing about Brandi that pisses me off more than anything is when she made the statement, and I remember specifically, that if she had the chance to do it again, she would.
Sherry
Joe Canuck - 04 Jun 2005 23:08 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You know he's madly jerking off with glee that he actually got some > idiot to believe it. No, I spent the wonderfully warm and sunny day cycling. Then I went grocery shopping. Ice cream was on sale!
BTW, Mary isn't an idiot.
> What evidence are you talking about? Their say- > so. You are a gullible twit. I agree with Mary.
Your background is of very little consequence to me, but when you started whining about getting too much attention your background and newsreader configuration definitely does come into play.
On Usenet you alone control how much attention you get. To that end, you have chosen to make your porno name very visible by placing it both in the "From:" line and your signature.
Don't want the attention? Drop the infamous name, but you only do that for the occasional sock puppet personality.
I say the sock puppets are infinitely better than the originating personality. :)
Joe Canuck - 04 Jun 2005 23:32 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Mary <marys@catlover.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > >>Eq's point that Joe is a hypocrite is another point. But as far as >>what Joes says about you, evidence suggests that it is true. > > You know he's madly jerking off with glee... <snipped>
I've also noticed with the above your tendancy to mention sexual related items when you get emotional which just happens to relate to the porno "industry" which you referred to yourself in an earlier post...
> They're obsessed with me being > in porn and attribute my every move and thought to it. It is *you* who conducts yourself online with reference to your past activities.
You just don't let us forget about it, almost as though you are throwing it in our faces every time you post here.
Then you try to act all innocent like and distance yourself from your past. <laughable>
equalizer - 04 Jun 2005 01:47 GMT >So, Joe - do you actually charge Brandy for her occupancy of your head, >or is it a rent free deal? > >Steve. It's not like he has a choice -- she pretty much owns the space by virtue of squatter's rights......
eq
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 02:57 GMT Steve G <news@stevethepsycho.co.uk> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> So, Joe - do you actually charge Brandy for her occupancy of your > head, or is it a rent free deal? > > Steve. Definitely rent free, though small.
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equalizer - 04 Jun 2005 01:47 GMT >>>>>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >In your own mind. Huh?!? That doesn't even parse. But, like, whatever!
eq
>>>>>>Okay, bad for kidneys but no worse than not eating, she got a McD >>>>>>burger patty again. Well, a little less than half. Only what was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>>>>Anyway, I cleaned them off again and closed the door to the box until >>>>>>she was dry. Brandy Alexandre - 04 Jun 2005 02:57 GMT equalizer <> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>I am pointing out to the group a history here that not everyone >>may be aware of or want to do the extensive digging to find out [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > eq Good grief. Is he still running around making up things to flame me with? Isn't the truth interesting enough that he'd make himself a liar for trolling?
I have used the x-no-archive header for YEARS, and certainly LONG before I ever came to this group. The point is, and others should learn the same, little of what we say is in the least bit valuable. It's better to have the header on as default and turn it off when you want to put something in the archive, then to just have ever streaming- of-consciousness fit of idiocy go there.
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