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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2005Broken Tail (I think)
my daughters 3 month old kitten has a cut on his tail and I dont know how it got there and I think it might be broken. I have no money to take him to the vet because my mom just died and I had to pay for everything...please can someone help me on what I can do for him hes playing and eating but when I try to look at the tail he runs from me and I cant get a good look at it please help its my daughters kitten that she got exactilly 2 or 3 weeks after my mom died. > my daughters 3 month old kitten has a cut on his tail and I dont know how > it got there and I think it might be broken. I have no money to take him [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cant get a good look at it please help its my daughters kitten that she got > exactilly 2 or 3 weeks after my mom died. Sell your computer and take him to the vet. And do not get another animal that you cannot or will not take care of. We are talking about maybe $50 here, and you just paid for a funeral? Bullshit. You know what you should do, you just don't intend to do it for a mere animal. Ugh. Mary...stfu ok?! and for your info its not my computer LADY! > Mary...stfu ok?! and for your info its not my computer LADY! So, is it a computer GENTLEMAN? > Mary...stfu ok?! and for your info its not my computer LADY! No, doll, I'm not going to shut the f.ck up just because you don't want to hear the truth. You have a kitten to take care of, but you are choosing not to get her vet care because you do not want to spend the money. And you just went thousands in the hole to bury your mother. (Condolences, by the way, and I do mean that.) Get some of that money back from relatives. You must not think it was right for you to pay for all of it or you would not have brought it up. In any case it is not a badge of honor to be "too proud" to ask for money to help a suffering creature. Now stop whining and take care of that kitten. > Mary...stfu ok?! and for your info its not my computer LADY! > > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Elaine! What are saying? What is this > > Mary...stfu ok?! and for your info its not my computer LADY! > > > > -- > > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com > > Elaine! What are saying? What is this Oh, Barry. I sense our relationship may be in crisis. Elaine is a pile of caca, as is Phillip. But you must be your own man. Let there be spaces in our togetherness, and all that. :) and for your info Mary my mom passed away on March 30th so but out! > and for your info Mary my mom passed away on March 30th so but out! "but" should be "butt" > > and for your info Mary my mom passed away on March 30th so but out! > > "but" should be "butt" Pardon me sir, but your an assshole! (is a.s spelled with 2 or 3 s's?) > > > and for your info Mary my mom passed away on March 30th so but out! > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (is a.s spelled with 2 or 3 s's?) Yes, well, Barry, it seems from your anti-vet comments you and Joe should probably form a f.cking club. What happened to you? > and for your info Mary my mom passed away on March 30th so but out! I heard you the first time. That's a tough thing, but are you thinking that for some reason this justifies your neglect of this kitten? f.ck no. It does not. Has she had her shots? How are you going to pay for spaying her? Horse sh.t. My mother is dead, and died when I was a whole lot younger than you. She would have come back to GET me had I used her death as an excuse not to care for a suffering living thing of any species. yes he has his shots and NO I am not getting him nutered as I dont want to have him nutered but I think your mom should have you spayed ya b.tch thats what you are > yes he has his shots and NO I am not getting him nutered as I dont want to > have him nutered but I think your mom should have you spayed ya b.tch thats > what you are Elaine, this is your (or your daughter's kitten), and so it's definitely your decision to make, but may I ask why you don't want to have him neutered when he's a little older? Have you talked to your vet (on the phone), at least briefly, about this, so you know the pros and cons of neutering/spaying cats? Again, I and other folks here know this is your call. Just want to double check that you know there are good reasons (at least in many people's opinions) to have him neutered when he's old enough. I will be getting him nutered but...he is full breed persain a blue one that is and I have had others that want me to use him to breed with their cats when he gets older but I am not sure thats what I want to do at this time so I am thinking hard and long about breeding him out and stuff and his litter mate I am doing the same hard and long thinking and Elle I want to thank you for your help and not b.tching me out like Mary and I have done what you told me about the cleaning and all and it looks a lil better :) Oh okay, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining, Elaine. Also, I'm glad you have a vet who would talk to you over the phone and only have you come in if things looked worse. Sounds like a "keeper," as far as vets go. :-) > I will be getting him nutered but...he is full breed persain a blue one > that is and I have had others that want me to use him to breed with their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > done what you told me about the cleaning and all and it looks a lil better > :) > Oh okay, that makes sense. It does, does it? :) >Thanks for explaining, Elaine. Also, I'm glad you > have a vet who would talk to you over the phone and only have you come in if > things looked worse. Sounds like a "keeper," as far as vets go. :-) Oh, yes, I just bet "Elaine's vet" is a real keeper. He's a bit on the thin side, though, being imaginary. I hope you have a good nite Elle as I am headed to a different room to watch some TV with the kittens and my fiancee have a good one for th enite and maybe we will talk tomorrow if you want to e mail me my e mail addy is naughty_cateyez(at)yahoo(dot)com > I hope you have a good nite Elle as I am headed to a different room to > watch some TV with the kittens and my fiancee have a good one for th enite > and maybe we will talk tomorrow if you want to e mail me my e mail addy is > naughty_cateyez(at)yahoo(dot)com Is that naughty_cateyez@yahoo.com ? Very classy. :) Nitey nite now. > I will be getting him nutered but...he is full breed persain a blue one > that is and I have had others that want me to use him to breed with their > cats Ugh. I should have known. Poor baby. You GO, Elaine! It's only a cat, after all. > I will be getting him nutered but...he is full breed persain a blue one > that is and I have had others that want me to use him to breed with their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > done what you told me about the cleaning and all and it looks a lil better > :) All right, I was determined to stay out of this, but I just have to ask... you could afford to buy a full breed persian, a blue one, but you can't afford to take him to the vet? Let me guess, someone gave him to you, right? Well could the person who could afford hundreds of dollars on a cat to give you and was generous enough to do so possibly give you the money to take him to a vet??????? Breeding? Does he have papers going back 3 generations? Did you know that only "backyard breeders" breed without papers and just try to get what they can? Have you read any of the horror stories here or in other cat groups about backyard breeder??? my mom paid for the kitten before shie died and we got the kitten after my mom died so there you have it and yes he does have papers...both of them have papers...now what more do you want to know because I dont have to tell you and I am not gonna tell you as I am done with this part of the group as I got the help I needed from Elle and a vet.! > All right, I was determined to stay out of this, but I just have to ask... > you could afford to buy a full breed persian, a blue one, but you can't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to > take him to a vet??????? I was going to stay out of this too, but this just makes me sick and very sad inside. I predict this cat will be in a shelter within one year. > Breeding? Does he have papers going back 3 generations? Did you know > that > only "backyard breeders" breed without papers and just try to get what > they > can? Have you read any of the horror stories here or in other cat groups > about backyard breeder??? Please don't breed this cat. I would actually give you money not to do it. There are enough BYB Persians in the world, we really don't need any more. Did you do research on the Persian breed? Do you have any idea how high maintenance they are? Google a thread a while back called "Vent/Rant Persians".  Signature-Kelly > > yes he has his shots and NO I am not getting him nutered as I dont want to > > have him nutered but I think your mom should have you spayed ya b.tch [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > check that you know there are good reasons (at least in many people's > opinions) to have him neutered when he's old enough. Because she is a flaming f.cking idiot. And because she can save a few bucks. > yes he has his shots and NO I am not getting him nutered as I dont want to > have him nutered but I think your mom should have you spayed ya b.tch thats > what you are You bet. Why won't you have him neutered? Like the smell of tomcat pee on your furniture and walls, do you? > yes he has his shots and NO I am not getting him nutered as I dont want to > have him nutered but I think your mom should have you spayed ya b.tch thats > what you are Translation of the above: "I'm trailer trash." oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! <yawn> Threats to acquire more felines. Wow, I'm shivering in my boots. > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! That's great. So there will be three kittens that you cannot afford to care for. You should have been aborted. actually Mary you should have been aborted as I think you are RETARTED and so does the others that are seeing this > actually Mary you should have been aborted as I think you are RETARTED > and so does the others that are seeing this You bet. Retartation runs in my family. And still, I take care of my cats. They go to the vet when they are hurt or sick or just seem like they might be. So, retarted as I may be, I'm still a whole lot smarter than you. An' you big bad boo. whatever Mary I got better things to do than sit here and argue with some low life b.tch so buh bye freak > > actually Mary you should have been aborted as I think you are RETARTED > > and so does the others that are seeing this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they might be. So, retarted as I may be, I'm still a whole lot smarter > than you. An' you big bad boo. Cats Out of the bag Mary. Why don't you start from the beginning and tell us about what you did or did not do for a cat. This is why you're so mean to people about caring for thier cats. Anytime somebody continaully toots their own horn about what they do... it's a lie! So...fool yourself. Me and you know the truth. I think you ought to be very real right here, and tell these nice folk why you are so cruel and cold to people and thier cats. Did you let one die? Did you buy pot with vet money and it died? Tell the truth! I want to hear it, If your not woman enough to be real, then your not worth your own salt. >>> actually Mary you should have been aborted as I think you are >>> RETARTED and so does the others that are seeing this [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I want to hear it, If your not woman enough to be real, then your not > worth your own salt. Can Mary be harvested for parts? 1chip-state1@earthlink.net IP # 64.203.38.114 OrgAbuseName: ABUSE TEAM OrgAbusePhone: +1-404-815-0770 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@abuse.earthlink.net > > > actually Mary you should have been aborted as I think you are RETARTED > > > and so does the others that are seeing this [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I want to hear it, If your not woman enough to be real, then your not > worth your own salt. Okay, Bar-bar. Here is the truth: You are an idiot. HTH. > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! Yes dear, you can. You can get as many kittens as you want, breed them, sell them in the paper to unqualified people, and continue the cycle of pet overpopulation until you have to move or the landlord throws you out or you just get tired of the cats. Then you will call someone like me to come clean up your mess. Take the cats, finally have them spayed and neutered and relieve them of the hell of being breeding machines, get those Persians groomed for once in their life so they can actually walk with a full range of motion again, and find them good homes where they will be loved as a member of the family. Signature-Kelly > > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of motion again, and find them good homes where they will be loved as a > member of the family. Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively stupid person to blame. > > > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > > > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively > stupid person to blame. Mary just admit you can't stand yourself and leave other people out of it. You go from an abusive approach on helping anyone you suspect is acting like you, then you go on and on about that person "clinging" to anyone who will agree with your POV. Most everyone agrees with you, it's not your message, it's your delivery. If I say, beotch pick that up! why, you probably would tell me where to get off. If I say (real quickly) Would you be so kind, (slower now) to pick that up for me? I feel quite shure you wouldn't mind. This is all Im saying. Why are you so hard on everyone. Does this make you feel better about yourself. What did you tell someone the other day? Get over it? Well get over your pity party. I like you. I like all the funny things you say, I like that you are compassionate about animals. But you are telling the world just how small your world is, when you zoom in and focus on someone, for a little flaw...You don't even give them a chance. Just because you have to budget your money hard, so that you can fit the cats into your lifestyle, that doesn't facilitate the need for everyone else to do it. You put yourself in that situation. (I don't wanna hear about your love for you cats right here...I'm sure you love them greatly) Take a deep breath. It's not about Cats or people, tell the truth, you could care less...haaa! Hey, you don't have to convince me, be honest with yourself. Your unhappy about things that have nothing to do with the people here, the cats, or how they treat thier cats. I think your just ready to bust at the seams, but it has nothing to do with the people here. You're probably so lonely, your ready to sell bologna sandwiches out of your living room window to anyone that would see the sign. "Thick Cut Bolonga Samiches Right Here"... FREE...Just to have someone to talk to. Iiiiii see a lonely girl. Uh huh, your lonesome, and your frustrated. I get loneley too, I find groups and forums to join, a little peice of the outside world. A window to the world. But what is the use of sitting on a pedastool, who are you fooling but yourself?, and so what if someone buys your high-mindedness...your not sold on it. Sure, you can find a yes man anywhere, but as soon as you got them yessing, you have nothing but contempt for them, for you see they care nothing of you, but of what chair you can make them appear to sit in. It ain't fittin, it ain't fittin, it ain't fittin. It just ain't fittin that's all ---- It ain't fittin. > Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively > stupid person to blame. Unfortunately, I can believe it. I have met some of the world's biggest losers through the shelter. They all start like this, thinking the kittens are going to make them tons o' money, but then they just get sick of the cats and/or get thrown out of their house and that's when they call for help. Signature-Kelly > > Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days > > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > -Kelly Oh get your head out of Mary's rank a.s! She's the biggest foul mouthed hypocrite on here. Your better than this! You actually get out and make a difference. Mary just sits on the bleachers and heckles the players. > > > Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days > > > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You actually get out and make a difference. Mary just sits on the > bleachers and heckles the players. I take that back. I was just angry. I don't really think Mary is a hypocrite. I apologize. > Oh get your head out of Mary's rank a.s! She's the biggest foul mouthed > hypocrite on here. Your better than this! My head is not in Mary's a.s. We disagree greatly on some things, and she knows how I feel about her foul language and posting style. This doesn't prevent me from conversing with her on other issues. I guess the Mary/BBB romance is over. Signature-Kelly > > Oh get your head out of Mary's rank a.s! She's the biggest foul mouthed > > hypocrite on here. Your better than this! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I guess the Mary/BBB romance is over. Hee! When it comes down to it, it's the cats. That's it. >>> Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days >>> I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You actually get out and make a difference. Mary just sits on the > bleachers and heckles the players. It was on the 3rd day visiting this forum that I entered her name in the killfile. But now John Boy is keeping her company. Talk about purgatory. LOL 1chip-state1@earthlink.net IP # 64.203.38.114 OrgAbuseName: ABUSE TEAM OrgAbusePhone: +1-404-815-0770 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@abuse.earthlink.net > > Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days > > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > cats and/or get thrown out of their house and that's when they call for > help. I could never do what you do, but I am so glad there are people like you who are strong enough to do it. I understand there are lots of things motivating posters, but it seems to me that in the interest of being "nice" to others (whether because they live in trailers or their mother died or they can't form a blinking decent sentence) some people forget the CATS. I'm thinking about that kitten and I see what you and Sherry see for him down the road. People like Phillip who have the "a cat's just a cat" attitude and whoever are entitled to their opinions. But I really like cats and it is hard to think about them being neglected and abused. To have people do it and come in here and expect everyone to say, as Elle said, "Good for you!" just does not make sense to me. > > > Honest to DAWG, Kelly H, can you believe this?? One of these days > > > I am just going to explode and when I do, there will be an aggressively [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > said, "Good for you!" just does not make sense to > me. I don't live in a trailer! but so what if I did. I wouldn't let you untie my shoes. > Mary wrote: > > People like Phillip who have the "a cat's just a cat" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > said, "Good for you!" just does not make sense to > > me. This is the second time in two days you have misquoted and misrepresented my comments, Mary. Just let my posts speak for themselves. After all, you agreed with me that there are some problems with presuming that "going to the vet NOW" by itself is always good advice. Then you have the nerve to pretty consistently ignore that I suggested in my first post to Elaine that she ask the vet about an installment plan. > I don't live in a trailer! but so what if I did. > > I wouldn't let you untie my shoes. I appreciate your not looking the other way at Mary's bad behavior, Barry. > > Mary wrote: > > > People like Phillip who have the "a cat's just a cat" [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I appreciate your not looking the other way at Mary's bad behavior, Barry. Elle, you are an idiot. Here is why: 1. You had a bad experience at the vet and now use it as a rationale to condone people not taking their cats to the vet. 2. You kissed the a.s of the cat-abusing Elaine and said "Good for you" to her when she refused to take her injured cat to the vet. HTH. > I could never do what you do, but I am so glad there are people > like you who are strong enough to do it. Thanks. Sometimes it sucks big time, but there are rewarding moments. I think I'm going to have to take a leave of absence soon, though. > I understand there are lots of things motivating posters, > but it seems to me that in the interest of being "nice" to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > said, "Good for you!" just does not make sense to > me. I have found that you have to be nice to people, though not in that letting someone off the hook way, in order to motivate them to do the right thing. I could fly off the handle and call the people that contact me a f*cking moron, but in the end, I want them to surrender the cat, get it spayed/neutered, or whatever the issue is. So, I sort of tune out to the surrounding drama that they are telling me (believe me, there's always a drama) about how they got kicked out of their house and the boyfriend left and now she's got 6 cats, started out with two and the males are spraying and the females are pregnant, etc, etc. I just go "gee, how awful" and try to move her along to convincing her to surrendering the cats. Sometimes in these situations, they want to keep the kittens so they can sell them or just because they are cute and I have to explain how the whole cycle will continue. I have to be nice, but in sort of a passive-aggressive way, I guess. I did actually yell at someone the other day, you would be proud of me :) -Kelly > > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > -Kelly Yes! Finally. THIS is what is scaring me about this poster. Did anybody else pick up on the phrases "purebred" "littermate" "brother" and GETTING ANOTHER KITTEN??? She's got a passel of those poor Persians already. And if she's not already got the BYB thing in motion, she's thinking about it. Sherry > > > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > > > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sherry Apparently she can't make enough money on her back. > Apparently she can't make enough money on her back. This is about as slutty as it gets. What a gal! > > oh and Mary I have 2 kittens and I am getting another one because I want > > another one and theres nothing that you can do to stop me!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of motion again, and find them good homes where they will be loved as a > member of the family. Kelly, this makes me sick too. I told Percy's story on rpca, but haven't told it here... Percy was a "purebred" silver-tipped Persian. But I found him in a cage with the other rescues at Sunmart, (the people who run the rescue out of the local PetsMart here where I live). They said he'd been there for quite a while since nobody wanted him - he was old and ragged looking. I was looking for a kitten since my oldest was going on 14 and my other two were 4 and 5, but when I walked next to his cage he licked my hand and he had me right then and there even though he certainly wasn't a kitten (and even though he was a purebred, silver-tipped Persian, he certainly wasn't a handsome cat with his matted-beyond-belief hair, stained and runny eyes, and ears black with ear mites)! The ladies there said he was a breeder's stud his whole life and the breeder was taking him to the pound to be put down because he wasn't "performing" any more. They intervened to ask if they could take him instead of letting him be euthanized simply because he wasn't making the breeder money any more and the breeder handed him over like a used Kleenex he was throwing away. I brought him straight to my vet from the rescue organization since he looked to be in pretty bad shape. The vet said he was about 10 years old, but he seemed much older - he hadn't been cared for his entire life and his teeth were bad as well as all the above-mentioned problems. He got a clean bill of health as far as transmittable diseases, so we brought him home right away to see if we could get him into any better shape. When we got him home and put him down on the floor of his room, he couldn't walk. We called the ladies at the rescue to see if they knew why he was lame. They said he wasn't lame, but he was unsteady on his legs because his entire life he was kept in a cage barely large enough to stand up in and only taken out when it was time to breed a female. He never really learned to walk well because he was never given the chance to walk around, much less run and play. He didn't know how to jump, and seemed puzzled when, after he was allowed out of his room, he saw my other cats running and jumping on things. After about a month he started walking better, and he managed limited jumping up to the seat of the sofa (that was as high as he would even attempt to jump). But he never got the concept of running down - when he tried he looked like those speed walkers you see - he just walked very fast and never loped along like cats do. After three months he even learned how to start playing (jingle balls were his favorite toy), and would *try* to run after my other cats, but still only managed that silly little fast walk instead. He was with us for a total of 9 months when his kidneys started failing. One week before we moved into our new home we had to release him from his pain. The people we bought the house from were nice enough to let us bury him in the back yard of our new home under a nice old tree (and even came out to say a prayer with us over him). We put a remembrance stone over his grave with his name and a word or two about how much we would miss him. This beautiful, sweet, loving creature lived for over 10 years, but only knew freedom, kindness and caring for 9 months of that time. The rest of his life he was used to make some a.shole lots of money. Right now, through my tears, I picture him running across a field at the Rainbow Bridge - in full graceful cat-style lope, not the stunted pace he was forced to use when he was alive. Yeah, backyard breeders are just wonderful people, aren't they? Hugs, CatNipped > Kelly, this makes me sick too. I told Percy's story on rpca, but haven't > told it here... CN, that story brought tears to my eyes. Poor Percy. I'm glad he got to know some kindness in his life before crossing the Bridge. BYB's are the scum of the earth. Signature-Kelly > > Kelly, this makes me sick too. I told Percy's story on rpca, but haven't > > told it here... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BYB's are the scum of the earth. At least his very last breaths were taken while he was surrounded by our love. My husband and I were both there when he was given that final injection. I was holding Percy and petting him (and wetting his face wtih my tears) and my husband was holding me and wetting my hair with his tears. Afterwards my husband picked him up and insisted on walking home (we lived 8 blocks from the vet), carrying him in his arms, just to have a little more time with his boy. It was the hardest thing we ever had to do. We still go outside and sit under the tree next to his grave and talk about him and remember him playing with his beloved jingle balls! Hugs, CatNipped > Yeah, backyard breeders are just wonderful people, aren't they? Very sad story, but so wonderful that you were able to give him some quality attention. We got a sheltie who was used as a puppy mill breeder dog. We already had one rescue and had been looking for another, but the rescue lady didn't have any that matched well with our family. About a month after contacting her, I got an email from her that there was a sheltie in a nearby town. The guy had gotten her free from a puppy mill, thought he'd have a nice free pedigreed dog. But she was not housebroken and was chewing up everything in teh house. He and his wife both worked and just didn't have the time to deal with a messed up dog like this. He wants the dog gone with 24 hours or she is going to the pound. Since she knew we had done well with our first rescue (we could handle a messed up dog), would we like first shot at her? My mom went and got her that evening. She was definitely messed up, but we had her housebroken within 2 weeks, and my mom is retired, so home almost all of the time. She only chewed on stuff out of nervousness, so that was easy to stop with plenty of loving attention and a crate for comfort. We actually took the door off a second crate and put it in the living room so that she had a "safe" place to retreat to. The really sad part was that you could tell the size of her previous cage by the small circle she would trot, even years later. And she never learned to play a single game. We tried, and there were times when it looked like she wanted to join the other 2 shelties in play. But she just didn't know what to do. And she was a spooky dog til the end. And much older than the puppy mill told to the guy. We only had her about 4 years. She had repeated bladded infections and eventually bladder cancer. She was a wonderful dog, and it was a shame that she was damaged so badly. She never had a chance to be the happy normal dog that she could have been. My own rescue dog was abused also. Her fears were much stronger, and she was much worse at the beginning. But the abuse was for a shorter time, and she was also smarter and more resiliant. So she managed to recover from most of it. She plays with toys and our own dogs. I actually had to get down on the floor and pretend to be a playing sheltie (arms down and butt wagging) before she would play with me. But it was all worth it. I know that many people would not be have the time or patience to work with these damaged animals, yet they are just as worthy as any other animal. I get so angry when I think of how many messed up dogs and cats are put down each year because some backyard breeder or puppy mill damaged them, making them "unadoptable". > I know that many people would not be have the time or patience to work > with these damaged animals, yet they are just as worthy as any other > animal. I get so angry when I think of how many messed up dogs and cats > are put down each year because some backyard breeder or puppy mill > damaged them, making them "unadoptable". Yeah, it's like when people have their cats declawed and then a few months later bring them to the pound because they're biting or not using the litter box. Things like that make me crazy! Hugs, CatNipped <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote snip > Since she knew we had done well with our first rescue (we could handle > a messed up dog), would we like first shot at her? My mom went and got > her that evening. She was definitely messed up, but we had her > housebroken within 2 weeks, and my mom is retired, so home almost all > of the time. That is so cool... snip for brevity great post on successes with abused creatures What are the indications that it's broken? If it's only a cut, then with one person holding him, have another person pour hydrogen peroxide into the cut. Thoroughly flush the cut. Then pack triple-antibiotic ointment (a.k.a. Neosporin, but available generically for less money) into the cut. Wrap the tail with the cut on it with gauze bandage and then First Aid adhesive tape. The cat might benefit from an oral anti-biotic. The above won't ensure there is no infection. If it's clearly broken, you could try googling to see how to set it. Otherwise, keep checking back here; call your local animal shelter; check with a local vet to see if he/she will let you pay on installment. > my daughters 3 month old kitten has a cut on his tail and I dont know how > it got there and I think it might be broken. I have no money to take him [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cant get a good look at it please help its my daughters kitten that she got > exactilly 2 or 3 weeks after my mom died. > If it's only a cut, then with one person holding him, have another person > pour hydrogen peroxide into the cut. Thoroughly flush the cut. Then pack > triple-antibiotic ointment (a.k.a. Neosporin, but available generically for > less money) into the cut. Wrap the tail with the cut on it with gauze > bandage and then First Aid adhesive tape. I forgot to add that the above should be repeated once a day. Hold the cat in the kitchen sink or a bathroom basin when flushing the wound. Backing up this approach: I had a cat that was hit by a car many years ago. He had a six-inch long cut down the length of his tail, literally to the bone. The vet directed me to do the above. (But I'm pretty sure the cat was also prescribed an anti-biotic.) I think well within a week the wound was clearly healing and closing beautifully. The site below shares a lot of other people's experience with broken tails on their cats: http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-21581.html The next site below is for longer term considerations: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1322&S=2&SourceID=42 well I looked as his tail tonite and it is all dried up (not bleeding) and he isnt acting like theres anything wrong with it so I am gonna clean it out like you said and go from there thank you for not being like Mary or Joe here I mean they are telling me to sell a libraries computer and drop my uncles internet connection LOL come on LOL have a good day or nite Yes, you will find on rare occasion Mary has something helpful to say, although for the most part she's just negative and makes alot of noise. Hope your kitten is getting well although if you can not afford adequate health care perhaps you should wait to get a pet until you can and return this one (s) until you can. Do not read in any nasty tone here, just honest opinion. Best wishes, Karl. well as of right now hes doing fine I got it wrapped up in gauze and neosporin and hes doing just fine for now LOL I am going to ask my vet to work out a payment plan to get the right meds that he needs for it and I am sure she will do it for me ... > well as of right now hes doing fine I got it wrapped up in gauze and > neosporin and hes doing just fine for now LOL I am going to ask my vet to > work out a payment plan to get the right meds that he needs for it and I am > sure she will do it for me ... Well, wonderful. Elaine Lilly has seen the light. You are a lying sack of kitty poo, Elaine. > Yes, you will find on rare occasion Mary has something helpful to say, > although for the most part she's just negative and makes alot of noise. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Best wishes, Karl. :) a.shole. Nice... > Nice... If you include a snippet of the post to which you are referring people might know to whom you are speaking Karl, you thin-skinned little pansy boy. :) HTH. > > Nice... > > If you include a snippet of the post to which you are referring people might > know to whom you are speaking Karl, Point well taken... >you thin-skinned little pansy boy. :) Well, guess I was proven wrong (about negativity and noise comming from Mary), huh? Is it possible to love Mary and hate Mary at the same time??? Food for thought if you enjoy food poisoning and stomach pumps. > HTH. What is "HTH" please? Translation to Mary language "Hey you dummy idiot stupid, you have to post abreviations so people know what you are saying you moron a-hole bla bla bla!!!!!!!!!!" Happy Memorial day to all, Karl. honda ruehs at cox dot net > > > Nice... > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Happy Memorial day to all, Karl. > honda ruehs at cox dot net Well I thought we were fine after I told you your mother dressed you funny, but then you posted that mean post to that miserable Elaine freak who would not take her cat to the vet. > > > HTH. > > > > What is "HTH" please? Must be "Highway To Hell" > Well I thought we were fine after I told you your mother dressed you funny, My Mom dresses me just fine, Thank you very much. > but then you posted that mean post to that miserable Elaine freak who would > not take her cat to the vet. Mean? =) Have fun, Karl. > > > > HTH. > > > > > > What is "HTH" please? > > Must be "Highway To Hell" "Hope This Helps." > > Well I thought we were fine after I told you your mother dressed you funny, > > My Mom dresses me just fine, Thank you very much. So you admit that your Mom dresses you. :) > > but then you posted that mean post to that miserable Elaine freak who would > > not take her cat to the vet. > > Mean? =) Yes. You were mean to me and nice to Elaine. Hang your head. > Have fun, Karl. I have way too much fun. It interferes with my popularity. > Yes. You were mean to me and nice to Elaine. Hang your head. You know you loved it, you were just askin' for it!!! > > Have fun, Karl. > > Yes. You were mean to me and nice to Elaine. Hang your head. > > > You know you loved it, you were just askin' for it!!! :) Heh. > well I looked as his tail tonite and it is all dried up (not bleeding) and > he isnt acting like theres anything wrong with it so I am gonna clean it > out like you said and go from there thank you for not being like Mary or > Joe here I mean they are telling me to sell a libraries computer and drop > my uncles internet connection LOL come on LOL have a good day or nite I'm a bit confused. In an earlier post, you mentioned going into the other room with your fiancee. Do you live at the library? Did I miss something? You might also try craiglist. They a have a free classified ads website for many cities around the country, allowing you to sell things fairly easily and quickly. And no fees like ebay. Elle, I did what you told me to do and its lookin so much better and its doin better too as I can handle it better and hes letting me clean it and I want to thank you for being nice to me unlike that Mary person (btw I dont really care for her) and the others and I would like to let you know that the kitten thanks you too LOL have a good nite and may God Bless you and Yours.... Elaine Attaway Elaine; way to help your kitten. Sounds to me like he's lucky to have you as a (grand?)parent. From the Cracker Jack Caramel Hop-A-Long Tabby, the Strawberry Blonde Tabby, and me, my cats' mom, you all take good care, and let your kitten take care of you, during what must be difficult days without your own mom... > Elle, > I did what you told me to do and its lookin so much better and its doin [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yours.... > Elaine > Attaway Elaine; way to help your kitten. :) Are you absolutely sure about that? > Attaway Elaine; way to help your kitten. Sounds to me like he's lucky to > have you as a (grand?)parent. Elle, I know you want to be nice - especially if you think by being nice could help a cat. And I know you have reason to distrust *A* vet. But a couple of points... first, you are being an enabler to Elaine. You are giving her validation that what she is doing is right when it's *NOT*. Everyone else here is telling her differently, but since it's what she wants to hear, she is listening to you and ignoring good (though, to her ears, harsh) advice. Second, you are not helping her cat by enabling her. If the cut on the kitten's tail gets infected it could get serious. If the tail *is* broken the kitten is probably in a lot of pain. Third, you dealt with a *very* incompetent vet and I'm sorry you lost a dear one because of it. But you are wrongly generalizing from that experience to come to the conclusion that all vets are incompetent. There are bozos in every profession and we have to watch out for those, but to tell people that vets are bad and you shouldn't take you cat to a vet is unconscionable! > "Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote > > Attaway Elaine; way to help your kitten. Sounds to me like he's lucky to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > could help a cat. And I know you have reason to distrust *A* vet. But a > couple of points... first, you are being an enabler to Elaine. And you are calling her a liar without proof. > You are > giving her validation that what she is doing is right when it's *NOT*. > Everyone else here is telling her differently, but since it's what she wants > to hear, she is listening to you and ignoring good (though, to her ears, > harsh) advice. Nonsense. > Second, you are not helping her cat by enabling her. If the > cut on the kitten's tail gets infected it could get serious. Did you not read her posts? She's in touch with a vet and they are monitoring the wound. > If the tail > *is* broken the kitten is probably in a lot of pain. Read her posts. Then read the links I posted on the subject. It is unlikely the kitten is in pain. > Third, you dealt with > a *very* incompetent vet and I'm sorry you lost a dear one because of it. > But you are wrongly generalizing from that experience to come to the > conclusion that all vets are incompetent. Not all vets are incompetent. However, I have made very clear that one should not blindly trust a vet or any health professional. One is one's best advocate, for reasons Candace, Phil, and I have given, and with which Mary at least partly concurred. > There are bozos in every > profession and we have to watch out for those, but to tell people that vets > are bad and you shouldn't take you cat to a vet is unconscionable! I never said this. Your failure to read my posts and attempt to slander me is unconscionable. snip > Not all vets are incompetent. However, I have made very clear that one > should not blindly trust a vet or any health professional. One is > one's best advocate, for reasons Candace, Phil, and I have given, and > with which Mary at least partly concurred. snip Talk about the Unholy Alliance! LOL > snip > > Not all vets are incompetent. However, I have made very clear that one [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Talk about the Unholy Alliance! LOL By God but it is fun watching aggressively stupid people twist in the wind. > > "Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote > > > Attaway Elaine; way to help your kitten. Sounds to me like he's lucky to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And you are calling her a liar without proof. ??? Where am I calling her a liar - I'm responding only to things she wrote. > > You are > > giving her validation that what she is doing is right when it's *NOT*. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nonsense. How so? > > Second, you are not helping her cat by enabling her. If the > > cut on the kitten's tail gets infected it could get serious. > > Did you not read her posts? She's in touch with a vet and they are > monitoring the wound. I've dealt with lots of vets, but I have *NEVER* known a vet to diagnose a wound over the phone without seeing it - *OR* advising an owner to treat an injured animal without asking them to at least take the animal in for a cursory examination at a minimal fee. Doctors wouldn't do it because of malpractise suits, and we're starting to see malpractise suits against vets - but aside from that it's just not ethical to give advice on treating a wound sight unseen. If you want to construe all that as calling Elaine a liar, well have at it - but I just don't believe any vet would do a phone consult regarding a wound. > > If the tail > > *is* broken the kitten is probably in a lot of pain. > > Read her posts. Then read the links I posted on the subject. It is unlikely > the kitten is in pain. I have read her posts - I just don't think she's qualified to diagnose an injury to her pet. > > Third, you dealt with > > a *very* incompetent vet and I'm sorry you lost a dear one because of it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > advocate, for reasons Candace, Phil, and I have given, and with which Mary > at least partly concurred. I agree to that 100%. I just know that, even educating yourself, reading all you possibly can, talking to experts, *WHATEVER*, is not the same as going to 4+ years of school 8 hours a day, years of internship 12+ hours a day, and however many years of practice seeing patients 8+ hours a day. Yes, educate yourself, but then take that education *AND YOUR PET* to a vet when your pet is injured or sick and get an *EXPERT* opinion! > > There are bozos in every > > profession and we have to watch out for those, but to tell people that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I never said this. Your failure to read my posts and attempt to slander me > is unconscionable. I am not slandering you. It's only slander when what you say is untrue - and from what I've read you are at the very least *implying* that you shouldn't listen to what a trained professional has to say in the treatment of your pets. I don't think that's good advice, and just as I do with Lyn's bad advice, I'm trying to counter it with a little common sense! > What are the indications that it's broken? > > If it's only a cut, then with one person holding him, have another person > pour hydrogen peroxide into the cut. Thoroughly flush the cut. Then pack > triple-antibiotic ointment (a.k.a. Neosporin, but available generically for Make sure any Neosporin or similar product used on a cat has no pain reliever. The version with pain relief has aspiren, which is dangerous for cats. > Elle wrote: > > What are the indications that it's broken? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > reliever. The version with pain relief has aspiren, which is dangerous > for cats. Good point. My vet tech also told me last week not to use any anti-biotic ointment with steroids (notably, she mentioned in particular hydrocortisone) in it on my cat's (mending) broken leg, now with abrasions and ulcers from the cast. All is healing nicely, but he was on anti-biotics for awhile, right after his surgery. Elaine, if you're still there, I forgot to mention that probably the biggest risk of one animal biting or scratching at another is infection. Their mouths are filthy, for one thing. If an abscess occurs (a pouch filled with pus under the skin of the cat near the wound, or even after the wound seems to have healed, and a sign of infection), things are very serious! Plus it will get expensive. So paying the vet to get prescription oral anti-biotics can be a good investment. Similarly, very thorough, regular flushing of the wound can be a good investment, even if it's only clean water. Maybe you know this, Elaine, but just to make sure the thread is complete... I'm sorry all the stuff on breeding and neutering wasn't presented in a more thoughtful, less hostile way, as you seem like a reasonable enough person, particularly given what can only be a trying time, with your mother's recent passing and the expense, time, and energy that goes with attending to her affairs. > my daughters 3 month old kitten has a cut on his tail and I dont know how > it got there and I think it might be broken. I have no money to take him [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cant get a good look at it please help its my daughters kitten that she got > exactilly 2 or 3 weeks after my mom died. A broken tail can be surgically repaired, but often isn't because it's an expensive procedure. Also, since it's not a life-threatening emergency, the chance finding an organization that will help foot the bill is remote. The truth is, however, that a broken tail usually heals reasonably well without treatment. You needn't be so concerned about the tail's appearance, but if that bothers you, you might try wrapping it in a stiff bandage to straighten it during healing (if you can get the kitten to cooperate, that is). Otherwise, you can probably leave the tail alone. After all, the kitten doesn't seem especially bothered by it. If you're greatly concerned about the cat's health and would prefer a veterinarian appointment, go to the vet's office, explain your personal situation to the vet--not the receptionist, not the nurse, but the vet--and ask if a payment plan is an acceptable option. Be prepared to be turned down, of course. But it doesn't cost anything to ask. > my daughters 3 month old kitten has a cut on his tail and I dont know how > it got there and I think it might be broken. I have no money to take him [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cant get a good look at it please help its my daughters kitten that she got > exactilly 2 or 3 weeks after my mom died. Dump your Internet connection for a month or two to pay for the vet visit. like I told Mary Joe this isnt my computer its the librarys computer then I go to my uncles house and no I dont like to ask family for money and I am just too proud to beg so I came here looking for ideas that might help so please if you dont have nothing nice to say then stfu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Elaine Lilly via CatKB.com" <forum@CatKB.com> >like I told Mary Joe this isnt my computer its the librarys computer then I >go to my uncles house and no I dont like to ask family for money and I am >just too proud to beg so I came here looking for ideas that might help so >please if you dont have nothing nice to say then stfu Go back to the library and check out a copy of "The White Trash Guide To Home Veterinary Care" by Bubba Beerswiller Look in the chapter titled "10 ways to fix up yer cat with Bondo" > Go back to the library and check out a copy of > "The White Trash Guide To Home Veterinary Care" > by Bubba Beerswiller The only trash in this thread is the idiot who posted the above. Over 40 million Americans are without health insurance now. The reason is that the insured well-to-do have pushed up health insurance prices ridiculously high by accepting every procedure their doctor prescribes, regardless of proven efficacy (because, ya know, 'more is always better'--not), and completely ignorant that the insurance-medical profession is a monopoly whose principal interest is lining their own wallets for as long as ignorant middle and upper class folks buy into the Ponzi/pyramid scheme the insurance-medical profession promotes. All to the greater detriment of the poor. This has similarly translated to a sick mindset with regard to one's cat's or dog's health. The vet does not know all, or if s/he does, s/he won't necessarily tell you, because it may hurt his/her profits. > > Go back to the library and check out a copy of > > "The White Trash Guide To Home Veterinary Care" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or dog's health. The vet does not know all, or if s/he does, s/he won't > necessarily tell you, because it may hurt his/her profits. :) You are the ignorant bitch who claimed that a prompt visit to the vet "could hurt" then would not say why. Heh. > "Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote > > > Go back to the library and check out a copy of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > :) You are the ignorant bitch who claimed that a prompt > visit to the vet "could hurt" then would not say why. Heh. I see we had the following exchange on May 13: Elle: By itself, no [the advice to visit a vet NOW is always good], can be fatal. Mary: Oh, yes. It's very risky advice. Your response indicated agreement with this point of view. You did not ask for any elaboration. I assumed you were serious. Unfortunately I think I unsubscribed from the group that same day, or had others who asked for elaboration on killfile, and so I didn't see subsequent requests for elaboration. I'll try to pull up the thread and respond there, so we can keep this thread on-subject. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >From: "Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> >The only trash in this thread is the idiot who posted the above. Well, unlike the OP, I can write a sentence. >Over 40 million Americans are without health insurance now. The reason is >that the insured well-to-do have pushed up health insurance prices [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >scheme the insurance-medical profession promotes. All to the greater >detriment of the poor. Damn, is that what the voices in your head are telling you? "Monopoly"??? Check a dictionary! "ignorant middle and upper class folks"? As opposed to the poor who all have a Masters degree and a 180 IQ? "Ponzi/pyramid scheme"? Do you even know what that is? "All to the greater detriment of the poor." Ever heard of Charles Darwin? >This has similarly translated to a sick mindset with regard to one's cat's >or dog's health. Sure! That "sick mindset" that says people should be willing to pay a few bucks to take care of their pets. Those bastards!!! >The vet does not know all, or if s/he does, s/he won't >necessarily tell you, because it may hurt his/her profits. You know, there are some good medications for the treatment of paranoia. Oops. I'll bet the drug companies are in on the scam, too. And here's a newsflash for you. Walmart makes a profit, also. I just get pissed off at people like the OP who won't pay a few bucks to take care of a pet, but will go out next week and drop $100 'cause she's just GOT TO have a new pair of "f.ck Me" shoes. > I just get pissed off at people like the OP who won't pay > a few bucks to take care of a pet, but will go out next week > and drop $100 'cause she's just GOT TO have a new pair > of "f.ck Me" shoes. AMEN! But to clarify, it's not just trailer trash who do this. I live in a fairly upscale neighborhood and I can't tell you how many scarred, sick, unneutered cats I feed twice a day - and most of them are "owned" by neighbors who drive around in gas-guzzling SUVs and wear Versachi (sp? I've never paid a single penny more for an article of clothing just for the privilege of wearing somebody else's name on my a.s!) Hugs, CatNipped > > I just get pissed off at people like the OP who won't pay > > a few bucks to take care of a pet, but will go out next week [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > never paid a single penny more for an article of clothing just for the > privilege of wearing somebody else's name on my a.s!) People like Elaine would think a new double-wide was a palace. She had to put out for her "fiancee" to get computer access. :) what ever I have been with him for a while now and we are just mad at Mary because she thinks she is a know it all and like I have said before I have taken the kitten to the vet and theres nothing wrong with the tail its just a scratch and I was just worried at first because of the way it was bent and now its straight so lets get this straight I am DONE IN HERE FOR GOOD the kitten is fine and hes playing around with his litter mate and brother!! ! > what ever I have been with him for a while now and we are just mad at Mary > because she thinks she is a know it all and like I have said before I have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the kitten is fine and hes playing around with his litter mate and brother!! > ! Love your email: naughty_cateyez@yahoo.com Did your "fiancee" buy this advertizing? Do you think anyone believes you took this kitten to the vet? A first step to reforming might be to truly understand how stupid you are. The next step is to learn to take your cats to a vet-- not to Usenet--when they are hurt or sick. It is a simple thing. You do have the money for it, and we know it. And get them neutered asap. There is nothing more special about these cats than the cats at any shelter. Do not breed more cats when so many need homes. Pull your head out of your selfish a.s for once in your life and do the right thing. "Catnipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote snip > AMEN! But to clarify, it's not just trailer trash who do this. To refer to anyone who lives in a trailer categorically as "trash" is the worst kind of bigotry and suggests a character incapable of caring for any animal. > "Catnipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote > snip [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > worst kind of bigotry and suggests a character incapable of caring for any > animal. Oh for God's sake. Were you born without a sense of humor? Elaine is a trashy piece of sh.t. Her use of language AND her approach to her kitten make that clear. The term "trailer trash" does not actually refer to people who LIVE in trailers, get it? > > "Catnipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote > > snip [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The term "trailer trash" does not actually refer to people who LIVE in > trailers, get it? Your a hypocrite. and weird don't mean weird. In fact you like weird. Now that's weird, what is this to make you more comfortable with yourself? No...You said what you said. I'M STRAIGHT OUT DA TRAILAH! And I got ethics, common sense, morals, dignity, I even got a little pride. You better put that nasty attitude away, be yourself, be loved, and stop fighting everybody. > > > "Catnipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote > > > snip [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'M STRAIGHT OUT DA TRAILAH! And I go |
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