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How to (not?) wash a cat
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223rem - 28 May 2005 18:52 GMT I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because they both stank. The female was more or less ok with it but the male struggled desperately to get out of the sink so I had to give up on him half-way through and he's scared shitless now. What I did was fill the sink with warm water and a little shampoo, dip them in, and then rinse them with warm water.
Is this the right procedure? Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? Thanks for your input
chrisoakey@msn.com - 28 May 2005 19:03 GMT Most cats (apart from Turkish van cat) think thats the one, dont like water. I have only bathed mine once ever, and that was when he got oil on him, and then I only filled the sink an inch or two deep. My back was full of scratches, he hated it, but it was an emergency because the oil was worse for him.
Chris
Elle - 28 May 2005 19:45 GMT Next time a bath is absolutely necessary, you might try washing them down with a wet paper towel, then using a pet 'Handy Wipe,' available at places like PetsMart. They're scented, pretty effective, and safe for cats. Of course the cat is less traumatized, too, by being wiped down as opposed to being set into a basin of water.
I only bathe a cat if (a) s/he's new from the shelter and smells bad; (b) had fleas (then I use a flea shampoo); or (c) gets into something really malodorous.
> I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? > Thanks for your input friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 28 May 2005 20:47 GMT > Next time a bath is absolutely necessary, you might try washing them down > with a wet paper towel, then using a pet 'Handy Wipe,' available at places [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > had fleas (then I use a flea shampoo); or (c) gets into something really > malodorous. We used to bath cats a couple times a year, and my first cat was really difficult. This very mild cat would turn into the attack cat from hell if you took her into the bathroom with a partially filled sink. She would scream and bite before you even got her wet. We would actually hold her on the counter next to the sink and use a towel on her. Still took 3 people.
I've been much luckier since. Kira has only been bathed twice in almost 11 years. Both times, she got into something dirty and needed it removed. But she was really great. She clawed at the fixtures, but retracted her claws when it came to me. And I found that if I held my left arm out, she would hold onto my arm and calmly "stand" in the sink. I could use my right hand to do the whole bath. I was really surprised at her gentleness with me, and how fast we were able to get her done and dry.
Maynard was a bit harder, but not because of fighting. He was waterproof. You could dunk him in the sink, and his skin would still be dry. I had to put the soap on first before the water would get anywhere near his skin. I only had to do him a few times in 19 years, and he was pretty good too. He would play in the sink, so unless you got water on his head, he didn't mind too much. And I do their heads with a washcloth anyway.
I haven't tried Chase yet - no reason to in 4 1/2 years. And I've only had Jay Jay for a few months. I think he will be more difficult. He bit me when I took a washcloth to his rear when he had diarhea. I had the vet shave the area for me, and they said he wasn't too happy. But I did prevent more nasties as he got over the diet change. So, it was better for both of us. And I have a package of the pet wipes to try first next time.
Philip - 28 May 2005 20:48 GMT > I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? > Thanks for your input Elle posted a good method of introducing cats to the bath concept. Soak a bath towel in water and get the cat thoroughly wet. There will be resistance but less than dipping or dunking. Funny how cats resign themselves (relatively speaking) to further bathing once they realize they are soaked to the skin. Anyway, just do plain warm water towel baths until you sense the cat offering less resistance to the whole process. This may be months. Be patient and always stay out of claws reach.
bigbadbarry - 28 May 2005 20:52 GMT > I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? > Thanks for your input Nah, you did fine. The Tom cat I have now, He's a big ol cat and I've bathed him twice. The Tom before him...I actually used the shower on him. I'd pick him up, put him on my chest...shampoo...and rinse...real simple...he loved it. Cried a little...but after they are all wet..they give in.
You male cat is just scared your gonna drown him. He'll be ok. Best to try and let him stand up...but still keep him in check or he'll be under a bed somewhere. lol. If you have a tub...maybe put couple inches of water in the tub...they won't feel so confined in a basin of water. (less fear)
Mary - 28 May 2005 21:22 GMT > > I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > > female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > inches of water in the tub...they won't feel so confined in a basin of > water. (less fear) When I have to bathe my little funk muffins (!) I put a thick old towel in the bottom of the tub, then run about three inches of lukewarm water in there and stop it up. Meanwhile, I have filled several lightweight pitchers with the same lukewarm water and put the cat shampoo where I can easily reach it, put old towels down on the floor and two on the closed toilet seat so I can reach them and towel her off without taking my hand off the cat. Once everthing is ready, I get the cat and stand her up in there, lay her down briefly to get her underside wet if I can and lather her up from the ears back only. Meanwhile, if it is Cheeks she is attempting to climb out finding purchase where she can, usually in my back if she can reach over my shoulder and get it. You are absolutely right, they think you are going to drown them. (This is the only time Cheeky puts her claws out.) Lather thoroughly, use the pitchers to rinse because running water scares them even more, then onto the towels on the floor and dry with the towels on the toilet. I use two changes of towels to blot them, as once I let go I will not see the cat for a while.
Note: my cats do not bite, and they do not try to hurt me. If yours do, the above will not work!
Joe Canuck - 28 May 2005 21:53 GMT >>>I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and >>>female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > When I have to bathe my little funk muffins (!) Argh!
Look, we really don't want to hear about your personal hygiene routine in here... please!
This is a family group!
Buzz off!
;)
Mary - 28 May 2005 22:04 GMT > >>>I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > >>>female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > ;) And I have TWO. :) And they get really, really fonkeeeeeeee!
bigbadbarry - 28 May 2005 22:06 GMT > Argh! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;) Nah! I don't mind it at all...I get lots of good practical tips from her posts.
Hump a couple more of her posts and your going to come, bleed or blister.
Mary - 28 May 2005 22:12 GMT > > Argh! > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Hump a couple more of her posts and your going to come, bleed or > blister. Joe is funny and weird. I can't tell if he likes me or hates me but I don't care. I like funny, weird people.
bigbadbarry - 28 May 2005 23:01 GMT > > > Argh! > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Joe is funny and weird. I can't tell if he likes me or hates me but I don't > care. I like funny, weird people. Funny I can do Weird?, that's subjective...lol
Mary - 29 May 2005 00:16 GMT > > > > Argh! > > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Funny I can do > Weird?, that's subjective...lol You've got weird down too, my friend.
:-) You could teach Advanced Weirdness. bigbadbarry - 29 May 2005 00:46 GMT > > > > > Argh! > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You've got weird down too, my friend. > :-) You could teach Advanced Weirdness. It's not weird to me... Not if you understand it... Many people thought the same about Michaelangelo, Poe, Davinci, and so on... Your not the first to accuse me of this.
Mary - 29 May 2005 00:49 GMT > > > > > > Argh! > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Many people thought the same about Michaelangelo, Poe, Davinci, and so on... > Your not the first to accuse me of this. I love weird! I never use it as a negative term. It means creative, quirky, original, smart, spooky, fun, unusual, fresh and interesting!!!
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 29 May 2005 08:01 GMT > I love weird! I never use it as a negative term. It means > creative, quirky, original, smart, spooky, fun, unusual, > fresh and interesting!!! When I was in high school, I used to say, "I'm weird and proud of it."
My dad would always correct me and say, "You are not weird; you're different."
He didn't seem to understand that weird isn't always negative.
Now, years later, he says that all our animals are weird and we are too. Runs in the family. So, somewhere along the way, he learned that weird can be fun.
Mary - 29 May 2005 17:19 GMT > > I love weird! I never use it as a negative term. It means > > creative, quirky, original, smart, spooky, fun, unusual, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > too. Runs in the family. So, somewhere along the way, he learned that > weird can be fun. Ah, so that explains our natural affinity for one another, and why you hang in there with me despite my raw language! ;)
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 29 May 2005 20:53 GMT > Ah, so that explains our natural affinity for one another, and why you hang > in there with me despite my raw language! ;) Yep. There are times when it is too much, and I usually just back away for awhile. But overall, on actual cat issues, we do agree on most things.
Philip - 29 May 2005 18:33 GMT >> I love weird! I never use it as a negative term. It means >> creative, quirky, original, smart, spooky, fun, unusual, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > too. Runs in the family. So, somewhere along the way, he learned that > weird can be fun. You father has come to terms with the fact his GENES are showing. LOL
Catnipped - 29 May 2005 17:33 GMT > > > > > > > Argh! > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > creative, quirky, original, smart, spooky, fun, unusual, > fresh and interesting!!! Gotta agree! "Normal" people are just so freaking boring! ;>
Hugs,
CatNipped
Scratch - 29 May 2005 01:02 GMT > > > > > Argh! > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You've got weird down too, my friend. > :-) You could teach Advanced Weirdness. Hello Im new to this list
I've been setting back watching you guys...me and my lover! we're just laughing. We said...I bet we can get some funny stuff from the cats group, being that cat owners are bound to be unique.
You and these guys are a something else!
You three should make a show together. 3's compnay, two weirdos and a weirdo enthusiast. How funny would that be.
Mary - 29 May 2005 01:08 GMT > > > > > > Argh! > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > You three should make a show together. 3's compnay, two weirdos and a > weirdo enthusiast. How funny would that be. Hi Scratch! Welcome. We love people who have a sense of humor. You may note over time that there are some people who post here who are lacking in the humor and the wit department!
Got any cats? If so, want to tell about them? Got any Kitty Porn?
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 29 May 2005 08:06 GMT > Got any Kitty Porn? Now that's funny :)
I photograph animals, and you never know when a magazine might need photos of breeding issues, so I have photographed horses breeding as well as some cougars. My sister was downright embarrased, and one of my friends took one look and said, "ooh! Horsie porn!"
Oh, and the stallion owner's favorite photo of 3 days shooting was one of the breeding photos. She actually posted it to a huge mailing list to show off her horse.
Mary - 29 May 2005 17:34 GMT > > Got any Kitty Porn? > > Now that's funny :) It is a term I lifted from others--for example, my sister, who gardens, calls her big beautiful coffee table books of garden photos "garden porn." Because she drools over it!
> I photograph animals, and you never know when a magazine might need > photos of breeding issues, so I have photographed horses breeding as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of the breeding photos. She actually posted it to a huge mailing list > to show off her horse. Ahhh. I think breeding photos would be Hardcore Kitty Porn. :)
Joe Canuck - 29 May 2005 13:33 GMT >>>Argh! >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Joe is funny and weird. I can't tell if he likes me or hates me but I don't > care. I like funny, weird people. Hmm, we can build on this.
Philip - 28 May 2005 22:48 GMT >> Argh! >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Hump a couple more of her posts and your going to come, bleed or > blister. What a primer ... getting tips from women about washing pussys.
Joe Canuck - 29 May 2005 13:34 GMT >>>Argh! >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What a primer ... getting tips from women about washing pussys. Did you take notes? ...because someday your turn will come.
Better start doing those tongue exercises today!
Philip - 29 May 2005 18:33 GMT >>>> Argh! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Better start doing those tongue exercises today! "At our ages, we're limited to oral sex ... hurling four letter words from separate bedrooms." -Unknown Author
Joe Canuck - 28 May 2005 21:46 GMT > I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and > female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? > Thanks for your input Unfortunately, dipping is good for chicken nuggets but not for cat bathing.
Start the bath by given them a good combing to remove the loose hair.
Then give them a thorough rinsing with warm water, followed by a lathering up with a diluted solution of Dawn dishwashing soap and water. When lathering try to avoid going against the grain of the fur.
Thoroughly rinse that out.
Then use a good animal shampoo such as "Mane 'n Coat" which is also diluted with water. Lather that up, once again trying to avoid going against the grain of the fur, and rinse.
If they are really stinky and dirty, they may require a third shampooing with the "Mane 'n Coat".
William Hamblen - 28 May 2005 22:32 GMT >I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and >female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? >Thanks for your input That's about it. Sometimes you have no choice but to bathe the cat. I always use the bathtub, as the kitchen sink is too small and I don't have a laundry sink. Having the water warm but not too hot is helpful. Wet cats get chilled easily. Using the bathroom means you can turn on the bathroom heater, which I do even in summer. Another important rule is to never let go of the cat. You might not be able to catch it again. Some cats tolerate getting wet and others can't stand it at all. I had one that would howl at the top of his lungs with every breath he took, but he wouldn't struggle much. It sounded like a cat torture session. Others were resigned to their fates. Don't try to use the hair dryer. Most cats will be terrified and will hurt you trying to get away from that monster.
bigbadbarry - 28 May 2005 22:34 GMT > I had one that would howl at the top of his lungs > with every breath he took, but he wouldn't struggle much. It sounded > like a cat torture session. I know what you mean, I think; what are the neighbors going to think is going on in here.
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From: 223rem <223rem@sbcglobal.com>
>Is this the right procedure? >Was it a mistake to force them to take a bath? >Thanks for your input Well, on the rare occasions when a cat needs a bath in our house, here's how my wife and I do it.
1) Take an old coffee can and wash it out. 2) Put a bar of Ivory soap in the bathtub. 3) With NO water in the tub, put the cat in the tub. 4) Wife fills the coffee can with warn water from bathroom sink. 5) I take the can and rinse the cat (repeat until we have a soaked kitty) 6) Lather up the cat with the bar of soap (do not soap up head or face) 7) rinse and repeat. 8) rinse again. 9) Pour a little water in cupped hand and wet head and face. !0) remove cat from tub and towel dry while offering apologies.
Tim Hogard - 30 May 2005 07:43 GMT : I have 2 6month-old kittens, male (whole) and : female (fixed). I just gave them a bath because [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : a little shampoo, dip them in, and then rinse them : with warm water. Different cats need different tricks. Old Grey when he was about 5 would get in such a mess that he needed a dunking. He was the type of cat the vet always used the leather glove with. Depending on what kind of mess he had gotten into, he either got the garden hose or droped over the shower door unless he was into something very foul in which case he would sit in the bath tub. This is how I learned that skunks are good at clearing up a stuffed up nose.
My sisters cat Shadow was a very long haired (3 inch hair) cat that had been adopted after being beaten. She would jump in the bath with my sister. The only time I gave shadow a bath, the tub was covered in black fur and she looked like a skiny rat.
My current cat Piper gets a bath every once in a while because I think it keeps her coat looking far better. I also think that its importaint to get wet from time to time since they will get wet in the wild. The only cats that don't get wet seem to be indoor cats and they all seem to have dandruf on their backs. Most cats will object to getting wet but calm down once they are soaked. Just make sure the water isn't too hot or too cold. If your not sure if the water is too warm, use colder, just make shure the cat has a warm place to dry off.
Different cats deal with different levels of water differently. Your not going to drown a cat in a deep tub since they are good swimers but they can get stresssed by not having a way out. If the cat is well behaved, a few inches of water works well and you can rinse them off with the running tap water. Other cats work better with the drop them in the tub method when there is no running water. you just have to figure out whats stressing the cat and minimize it. For some the idea of water and the running water and the sight of the tub and the prostes of other cats is just too much. Sometimes the best thing is full up the tub, wait a 1/2 hour, pick up the cat and drop it in the tub. He will then try to jump out and you can wash the bits that stay dry and its amazing how much of a cat will stay dry when they swim.
I've found that if you start kittens off with baths, they are much more accpeting of water later in life. At 6mo it will be very late, its time to start giving the boy a bath every week until he figures out hes not going to die. 6 baths now will make future baths much easier when he gets bigger and stronger. I also would bathe him 1st since his sisters cries will upset him.
Be sure to rinse all the soap off the cat since its a posion. It will take some expiermentation to figure out what works best to dry the cat off since they won't like towles. Also they may change their minds about your help a few minutes after they get out of the tub. Make sure it doesn't get too cold after its been wet. I tend to give snacks about a 1/2 hour after the bath. Don't worry about blood in the bath water, since it will be yours. Never forget that unhappy cats tend to have sharp bits at 5 ends.
Piper will now jump in the bath if there is less than an inch of water just to play but shes not about to go too near the hot tub again. I guess shes not up for doing laps yet.
-tim http://web.abnormal.com
Philip - 30 May 2005 14:29 GMT trimmed to the best parts
> Most cats will > object to getting wet but calm down once they are soaked. Just > make sure the water isn't too hot or too cold. If your not sure > if the water is too warm, use colder, just make sure the cat has > a warm place to dry off. snip
> I've found that if you start kittens off with baths, they are much > more accpeting of water later in life. snip
> Be sure to rinse all the soap off the cat since its a posion. > > -tim > http://web.abnormal.com I've used Johnsons Baby Shampoo on my cats for over 30 yrs. Just soaking a cat up to it's neck will send any flea scurrying to the cat's dry head for safety ... which is when the flea comb comes out. Amazing how fleas know where the only dry place is.
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