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dgk - 18 Sep 2003 18:37 GMT
I have two cats right now, one just about a year old and the other
maybe one and a half. Both fixed males. A friend is worried about a
very cute cat named Puff that was thrown out of his home by a
neighbor. Puff was having trouble locating the litterbox.

My understanding is that the neighbors had 6 cats (now 5) and aren't
the best about cleaning the litterbox. I'm not sure how many boxes
there were but cleanliness may have been a problem. I do not believe
that they checked to see if there was a medical problem.

Puff is fixed, about a year old and fairly long haired. Adorable and
sweet. He is supposed to have had his shots. They're still sort of
taking care of him and he hangs out outside their house so he still
gets some food but my friend is worried that winter is coming. Plus,
Puff has a tendency to take naps in the street.

I figure that I can maybe give it a trial run but my understanding is
that each additional cat causes problems to multiply geometrically.
Clearly Puff will need a trip to the vet just to make sure that he is
negative for bad things and probably to de-flea him. Plus, could I
turn him out if it doesn't work? Well, yes if he's permanently down on
litterboxes.

I have a small house but there is certainly plenty of room for three
cats. But I have two litterboxes now (yes, I know the formula is
#ofCats+1) and do not plan on adding any more.

My friend would take him in but she has a 17yo cat and doesn't want
him to have to deal with a newcomer, so I get the guilt trip.

So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
right?
Karen Chuplis - 18 Sep 2003 18:50 GMT
They threw him OUT?? Egad. Number one,  get some Feliway, to ease the
transition. Fix Puff up a room with a box for himself. You may not need to
keep the box, but he needs to be introduced to the others slowly. Some
kindness and understanding may go a very long way to helping Puff. Get Puff
an appointment to make sure there isn't an UTI going on (though, that rarely
shows even when its there). I know others will have great tips. I think Puff
needs a friend.

Karen
> I have two cats right now, one just about a year old and the other
> maybe one and a half. Both fixed males. A friend is worried about a
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> So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
> right?
dgk - 18 Sep 2003 19:22 GMT
>They threw him OUT?? Egad. Number one,  get some Feliway, to ease the
>transition. Fix Puff up a room with a box for himself. You may not need to
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>
>Karen

Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of
"NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".

I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...

>> I have two cats right now, one just about a year old and the other
>> maybe one and a half. Both fixed males. A friend is worried about a
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>> So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
>> right?
kaeli - 18 Sep 2003 19:40 GMT
> Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of
> "NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".
>
> I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
> tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...

He'll probably be dead by then. Busy streets and all.

Please get a cat rescue group to take him if you feel you can't. If you
think you might have to abandon him for litterbox issues, this is
probably the best solution. Why get him all comfy and nice in your home
just to make him leave his home again? Moving homes can be very
stressful to cats. Better to let a rescue take him and get him a forever
home.

BTW, I have 3 cats and 2 boxes and no problems...but some cats are
*really* picky.

As my Mom says, if you really don't know what you want to do, toss a
coin and call heads or tails. When the coin is in the air, you will find
youself hoping for the head or the tails. That's what you go with.  :)

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dgk - 18 Sep 2003 20:13 GMT
>> Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of
>> "NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".
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>BTW, I have 3 cats and 2 boxes and no problems...but some cats are
>*really* picky.

Puff apparently.
Karen Chuplis - 18 Sep 2003 20:18 GMT
> >They threw him OUT?? Egad. Number one,  get some Feliway, to ease the
> >transition. Fix Puff up a room with a box for himself. You may not need to
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> I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
> tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...

Some cats adapt quickly to indoors. You have other cats, do you have cat
trees and a window? It is entirely possible to convert them. By the time it
snows, he could be very happy.

Karen
dgk - 18 Sep 2003 20:57 GMT
>> I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
>> tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...
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>
>Karen

I'll have to put up a picture (as soon as I find a place to host it).
I have lined my little backyard with, well, fancy chicken wire. The
cats probably could get out if they really tried climbing it but so
far they haven't. So they do go out when I'm there with them.

I wouldn't want Puff going back there until he is very used to being
in the house.
Cheryl - 18 Sep 2003 21:57 GMT
> Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines
> of "NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".
>
> I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
> tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...

Must add my .02.  :)  I just rehomed a stray cat 3 days ago and he
immediately took to the litterbox (without any dirt in it!) and shows
no signs at all of wanting out now that he's an indoor kitty and he
just loves his new Paw.  This stray has been living outdoors all of
the time I've known him, since last winter.  It is probably longer
than that but that is all I know about.  I think he has come into your
life for a reason.  :)
KellyH - 21 Sep 2003 23:57 GMT
> Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of
> "NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".
>
> I'm sort of worried about him not wanting to stay indoors having now
> tasted the wilds of Queens NY. Maybe if I wait until it snows...

Please, please, please don't wait a moment longer to bring that kitty
inside!  Every day he is outside means it's another day he could be run
over, attacked by a dog, tortured by some a.shole, shot, etc.  Even if you
are not 100% sure if you want to keep Puff, please bring him inside!  Set
him up in a spare room or a bathroom (good because it's easier to clean
accidents in the bathroom than on carpet), with a litterbox, food, and
water.  Have him checked out by a vet as soon as possible, too.  Since he's
a longhaired cat, he will need a thorough grooming and any mats clipped out.
At least have the heart to provide him with shelter and food while you
decide what to do.  If you don't want to add a third cat, contact a no-kill
rescue group.  Usually there is a waiting list to surrender a cat, but if
you can keep him in your home as a foster, then they can list him on their
website and add him as a possible adoptee.  He may get adopted before he
even has to live at the shelter.

Those neighbors that threw him out sound like trouble.  I would find an
excuse to get inside their house to see what conditions the cats are being
kept in.

Don't worry about him wanting to go back outside.  It's possible he may have
no desire to go back out there.  Two of my cats that were strays never even
head for the door.  I think they know life is much better inside than out
there in the world.

This story really got my attention because my brother's new kitten is named
Puff.  I think it's just the cutest name! Every time you mention Puff being
outside, I picture a little fuzzy kitten wandering around outside, wondering
why his family won't let him back in.

If you need any help, advice, anything, rescuing Puff, please email me
privately. - kelly@farringtons.net.  Put something obvious in the Subject,
I'm being slammed with spam because of that Swen virus. I'll try to do
whatever I can.
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dgk - 22 Sep 2003 02:02 GMT
>> Thanks Karen but I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of
>> "NO NO DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BE SORRY".
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>I'm being slammed with spam because of that Swen virus. I'll try to do
>whatever I can.

Thanks. He isn't in bad shape at the moment. He is hanging out with a
few other outdoor cats that the lady next door to his home feeds and
she's built a shelter for so it isn't like he's running wild. But I
will call my vet and try to take him in and at least see if he has a
UTI.
Bill - 18 Sep 2003 18:58 GMT
>"dgk" <sonicechoes@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote in message
news:ufqjmvcsholi3r3ke0dh4qr54tom6s4prd@4ax.com...
> I have two cats right now, one just about a year old and the other
> maybe one and a half. Both fixed males. A friend is worried about a
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
> right?

I'd say give it a try.  The litter box problem was probably associated with
the situation in his former home.

If things don't work out, talk to a cat rescue group in your area.  Some of
them will foster cats in their homes until they can be adopted.  They are
also a good resource for ideas to try for litter box problems.

Bill
Yngver - 18 Sep 2003 23:27 GMT
>I'd say give it a try.  The litter box problem was probably associated with
>the situation in his former home.
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>
>Bill

Yes, it sounds as though you want to give it a try. We took in a third cat (a
stray) a few months ago, with the idea that if it didn't work out, we'd find
her a good home. Well, it wasn't working out (she and one of our other cats
took quite a dislike to each other and fought a lot) but the good home we
thought we'd found for her fell through. So we still have her, and she's
getting along better with the other cats, although there are still a few
altercations. Just be prepared that if after a couple months, you can tell the
cats are never going to get along, you may be too attached to Puff at that
point to give her up to a rescue group. Even though I still think our stray
would be happier in a home with fewer or no other cats, at this point it would
have to be a REALLY good home before we'd let her go.
Sherry - 18 Sep 2003 20:39 GMT
>So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
>right?

I think you should give it a try. Three cats really isn't that many. I'm sure
you already know the drill about introducing Puff to your cats, making sure
he's vaccinated, etc. etc. So I say, go for it. You might be Puff's only
chance.  I usually always have four cats; three right now because of a death. I
keep two litterboxes, extra-large ones, and they do just fine with them.

Sherry
Luvskats00 - 18 Sep 2003 20:50 GMT
dgk sonicechoes@hot-nospamp-mail.com

>I have two cats right now...Both >fixed males...Puff is fixed, about a >year
old and fairly long haired.  
>I figure that I can maybe give it a trial run...could I turn him out if it
>doesn't work?

Your neighbors are idiots -  they don't clean the litter box and then dump the
cat because the cat doesn't want to poop in a dirty box. Also, they don't take
the time/trouble to place the cat in another home or bring him to a shelter.

Your heart is in the right place.  With some time & patience, the situation
definitely could work.  Obviously, Puff needs to be checked by a vet. Is he
neutered? If not, I it's best to have that done as well.  To introduce Puff to
your babies, have him isolated and have some towels and toys for him (and
towels or something with his scent around the other cats, so they will get used
to it.)  Good luck!
Noreen Cooper - 18 Sep 2003 23:16 GMT
: So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
: right?

When we added a second cat, we had the most problems from the alpha male
who probably could have been happy as an only cat.  Believe it or not, the
third cat balances the household out much better and now we have less
fighting between cat #1 and cat #2; odd as that might seem.  However, the
smell factor has really set it.  With two cats and frequent litter box
cleaning, the house rarely smelled like a den of animals.  The new cat has
been thoroughly checked out but she has really smelly poops and the waft
of cat poop permeates our home even with weekly litter changes and twice a
day scooping.  I think the biggest expense, though, are the vet bills.
Vets are so expensive these days and for a complete exam of all three cats
plus shots, etc., I came out $225.00 poorer.  Overall, it's been worth it
to bring in the third cat but it is not without some drawbacks.

Noreen
dgk - 19 Sep 2003 14:02 GMT
>: So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
>: right?
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>
>Noreen

That really is not an unimportant point. I found out last year just
how expensive cats can be. I paid well over a $1000 to have one die in
a weekend, and then spent over $3500 to have another live for four
months. Having three cats means that I really cannot afford
extraordinary expenses. Maybe insurance?  Is it cheaper by the dozen?
Well, three?
Rene - 19 Sep 2003 19:48 GMT
> >: So, what to you think? I'm an idiot even to be considering this,
> >: right?
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> extraordinary expenses. Maybe insurance?  Is it cheaper by the dozen?
> Well, three?

You make a good point. Different people have varying opinions about
pet insurance, but what I do is have $15 per week taken out of my
paycheck and put in a savings account. Since it's direct deposit, I
never miss the money, and it's there in case of an emergency. Cats are
like people--some are very healthy and others not.

BTW, Puff sounds like a great cat (and a great name too!) and I wish
the best for you and him.

Rene
 
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