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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Triple vaccine side-effects - follow-up
As a sequel to my post yesterday: Khamun is much better this morning, eating and happier, but still quiet. Sure he'll be fine later today - he's booked in for the second shot in a few weeks, I'll raise this with the vet but I suppose 24 hours of feeling rough is better than feline leukaemia etc. My fiancee was quite annoyed that the vet didn't raise the possibility of side effects. I wonder if the second combination shot will not have such a bad effect on him, as I assume this one (his first ever) will really have shaken up his immunity system but now the vaccine is in his system the second one won't do as much 'damage' - any views on that? Someone mentioned not having the second shot, or not having a combination one as it seems to have had a bad reaction on him. What does the second shot do? Thanks for your comments and reassurance below. I don't have my cats vccinated against feline leukemia. Years ago,one of my cats died within a month of receiving the shot. I have them tested and since they are a closed population, I do not get them the shots. Rabies and distemper, yes, but not the leukemia. when I add a new kitten to the mix they are tested before they come into the house. I had such a bad experience I am a little leery fo the leuk vaccine. Sugar has bad reactions to vaccines, so this time, my vet gave her an anti-inflamatory shot with her rabies (we do as few vaccines as possible now. We only do rabies as it is required by law so if the Anti inflamatory hadn't helped we wouldn't even do rabies anymore) It made a huge difference. This is the first time she has ever acted completely normal after shots and had no "down time". > As a sequel to my post yesterday: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks for your comments and reassurance below. > Sugar has bad reactions to vaccines, so this time, my vet gave her an > anti-inflamatory shot with her rabies (we do as few vaccines as possible > now. We only do rabies as it is required by law so if the Anti inflamatory > hadn't helped we wouldn't even do rabies anymore) It made a huge difference. > This is the first time she has ever acted completely normal after shots and > had no "down time". So do you think Khamun could have an anti-inflamatory shot before the triple? I'll check with the vet anyway. He seems not too bad now. > > Sugar has bad reactions to vaccines, so this time, my vet gave her an > > anti-inflamatory shot with her rabies (we do as few vaccines as possible [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So do you think Khamun could have an anti-inflamatory shot before the > triple? I'll check with the vet anyway. He seems not too bad now. Well, the first time her reaction was pretty much like Khuman's. but the second time she spent a couple of days in the hospital getting hydrated for a high fever. SO we backed off for like 3 years. Finally, we decided to try just the rabies and added the anti inflam. It did work so it's an option. The last time one of our kitties - who had bad reaction in the past - needed his shots, we dropped him off in the morning, the vet gave him a benadryl shot and then his other vaccines and monitored him for the day. They were great in that they didn't charge for the day's boarding (they were more concerned with watching any reactions), so try to negotiate that. Now, my other cats have never had any problems....you never know how the cat will react. I would definitely follow up with the 2nd shot. > Sugar has bad reactions to vaccines, so this time, my vet gave her an > anti-inflamatory shot with her rabies (we do as few vaccines as possible [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Thanks for your comments and reassurance below. > As a sequel to my post yesterday: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is better than feline leukaemia etc. My fiancee was quite annoyed that the > vet didn't raise the possibility of side effects. Glad to hear your cat is feeling better. You might want to check out this webpage that has some links at the bottom: http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html > http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html I read this article 'cause I'm in agony about vaccinating an old cat (15) for rabies. She has been a feral and even though she's lived with us for many years successfully, she *keeps her distance*. Even the vet we trapped her for and took her to for initial vaccinations and neutering said don't ever put her through vet trauma again if at all possible. (I am not making this up, he really said "it's just not worth it for anyone involved." And this guy has the reputation of being THE most compassionate barn-vet in our region.) But she has not had rabies vaccinations in a long time, and I'm very worried about two things. I'm new to this group, so please don't come down hard on me if I'm saying something wrong (!). First, we live in a middle class development where everyone takes care of their pets (one way or another). It's in the mountains, northeast US. What is the likelihood of an old cat who just sits outside the door in the grass getting rabies? Second, could a rabies vaccination ever be administered by a layperson? Can you buy them over the Internet? This is a former feral we've done our level best to offer a home to despite her roaming for almost eight years (she was a neighborhood cat, and we trapped her when we moved from one part of the mountain to the other). She's just too old to train, believe me, we have tried harder than you'd believe. ANyway, thanks for this thread and for the link. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > ANyway, thanks for this thread and for the link. A cat can not get Rabies from just sitting outside in the grass. Rabies is transmitted via the bite of another animal with Rabies. Where do you live? I've heard that in the England Rabies has been totally eliminated (due to it being an island instead of a continent and very strict quarantine of animals coming into the country). In the US, however, Rabies is still very much present (although it's more prevalent in wild animals such as raccoons, bats, foxes, etc. than it is for companion animals). Yes, you can order vaccines and administer them yourself (my daughter does for all her dogs). I don't know how she manages the licenses - if you'd like I can ask her about that. Hugs, CatNipped > But she has not had rabies vaccinations in a long time, and I'm very > worried about two things. I'm new to this group, so please don't come [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > getting rabies? Second, could a rabies vaccination ever be > administered by a layperson? Can you buy them over the Internet? You can buy them from the internet, or from Fosters & Smith catalogue. IIRC, you can only buy the "killed" serum though, but it should still protect her against rabies. It's very important though, that you know how to administer the vaccination--do you know any vet techs who could show you how the first time? There are farmers here who self-vaccinate their barn cats. The drawbacks are, you can't get a certificate, so if the cat bites sometime he'd be under the same quarantine laws as a non-vaccinated animal. And you can't board a pet (here) without a certificate. Both scenarios probably wouldn't affect you. Since she is an outdoor cat, IMO she needs a vaccination. You just don't know when a skunk or raccoon, or bat, or whatever could come right up into the yard. Good luck. She sounds like a grand old cat. She must be pretty savvy to have survived as a semi-feral to old age. Sherry > Good luck. She sounds like a grand old cat. She must be pretty savvy to > have survived as a semi-feral to old age. Sherry and Catnipped, thank you *so* much for taking the time to answer me. I was totally unaware--for two and a half years!--that you could buy vaccines over the Internet. I don't even think the vet I talked about knows, or I am sure he would have told me (he tells me about all kinds of home remedy stuff over the phone, for free). Anyway, I'd like to hear from you if you know of any adverse reactions to the shots (I assume they're shots?). Are the administered intramuscularly or in a vein? If they're in a vein, I certainly would be able to manage this. Anyway, thanks again, and have a great holiday! Hilary > > Good luck. She sounds like a grand old cat. She must be pretty savvy to > > have survived as a semi-feral to old age. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Hilary From what I've seen of vets doing it, they take a bit of skin and pull it up into a "tent" and inject the vaccination subcutaneously - but please don't go by that alone - I'm *NOT* a vet or vet tech and have *NEVER* given my cats shots (some here have had to give subcutaneous fluids though, so they may know more). I agree with Sherry, I'd get a vet or vet tech to show me how to do it before trying it on my own. Hugs, CatNipped > > Good luck. She sounds like a grand old cat. She must be pretty savvy to > > have survived as a semi-feral to old age. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Hilary The rabies vax is intramuscular and is given in the upper part of the right hind leg. I'm sure you could learn to inject the cat, but if it were me, I'd have to have someone show me how the first time. Good luck. Sherry > The rabies vax is intramuscular and is given in the upper part of the > right hind leg. I'm sure you could learn to inject the cat, but if it > were me, I'd have to have someone show me how the first time. Good > luck. Thanks again (and Catnipped). Whoa, I got light-headed just reading your posts, so I'm definitely not going to attempt it. I *may* try to order the vaccine online, though, and see if a student from a local vet tech program could possibly help. Thanks again! > > http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > worth it for anyone involved." And this guy has the reputation of > being THE most compassionate barn-vet in our region.) I guess you need to weigh the benefits vs non-benefits of vaccinating this cat. Some vets now believe that vaccines last much longer, and possibly even provide life long immunity. Here's another article you might find interesting. "Dr. Ronald D. Schultz, Ph.D..- "Annual revaccination provides no benefit and may increase the risk for adverse reactions. The percentage of vaccinated animals (those vaccinated only as puppies) protected from clinical disease after challenge with canine distemper virus, canine parvovirus and canine adenovirus in the study was greater than 95%." Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs. Dr. Ronald Schultz is a Professor and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences at the School of Veterinary Medicine, UW-Madison. Schultz, R.D. - Current & Future Canine & Feline Vaccination Programs. Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254, 1998 more. A chart provided in the report shows immunity levels for all vaccines currently given to dogs lasting a minimum of 5 years with most lasting 7-15 years!" http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm |
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