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Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 12:40 GMT
Hi all,

I know this is a common question - but I haven't really seen an answer
that I think will work.  My kitty is 11 months old (we have had him for
3 months) he has adapted really well to us.  Recently he has started
meowing as soon as the sun comes up.  He has full rein of the house and
just walks from room to room meowing.  I got up this morning with him
at about 4:30 am - hoping he just wanted attention and would like my
husband at least get some sleep.  But this did not seem to change
anything.  My husband and I talked about sending him to the basement
when he gets like this, but he won't even walk down the stairs and he
since he was an abused kitten I don't want to put him somewhere that
will make him afraid.  He has lots of toys, although the balls tend to
end up under the furniture and he has water all night.  I also play
with him at night with his wand toy until he loses interest.  This
meowing continues even after I feed him in the morning.  He doesn't
stop until we are both up and then he goes into his little hiding spot
to sleep. We are at our wits end - I don't want to give him away, but I
don't know what else to do.

Danielle
Niel Humphreys - 23 May 2005 12:58 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> to sleep. We are at our wits end - I don't want to give him away, but I
> don't know what else to do.

Would letting him sleep on the bed or in a cat bed in the bedroom with you
be out of the question?
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Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 14:34 GMT
> Would letting him sleep on the bed or in a cat bed in the bedroom with you
> be out of the question?
> --
>
> Niel H
> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Snowdon-Computers

Hi Niel,

He actually already sleeps next to me in the bed.  Only until daylight
though - then the "fun" begins.
Mary - 23 May 2005 17:04 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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> Would letting him sleep on the bed or in a cat bed in the bedroom with you
> be out of the question?

Of course! I missed this. He just wants to be with his people!
Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 18:04 GMT
>>Of course! I missed this. He just wants to be with his people!

But I was up and he had no interested in being with me.  He doesn't
even let my husband near him so I would be surprised if he was wanting
to play with Mike.
Mary - 23 May 2005 18:08 GMT
> >>Of course! I missed this. He just wants to be with his people!
>
> But I was up and he had no interested in being with me.  He doesn't
> even let my husband near him so I would be surprised if he was wanting
> to play with Mike.

Well this is a tough one. Siamese are very mouthy, I wonder if he has some
of that in him. I really hope there is a way to work this out, as I can tell
you don't want to return him to the shelter.
Glitter Ninja - 23 May 2005 18:16 GMT
>But I was up and he had no interested in being with me.  He doesn't
>even let my husband near him so I would be surprised if he was wanting
>to play with Mike.

 The cat is wandering around meowing at all hours, and he also doesn't
want to be anywhere near your husband?  Is that all the time?  
 The poor thing may be scared or unhappy.  Why doesn't he want to let
your husband near him?  
 My cats have all gone through stages of wanting us up before we get up.  
They did eventually calm down on their own.  If they brought a toy into
the bed, sometimes we'd toss it away out of reflex, but they're cats so
they think we're playing.  Ignoring the toy helped.  If they put their wet
little noses in our face or meowed in our ears, we'd grab them, snuggle
them with forceful love, or put the covers over them so they could snuggle
under the covers with us.  Once they felt comfortable and safe they were
fine.  Kitty companions may help, too.

Stacia
kaeli - 23 May 2005 20:18 GMT
> >>Of course! I missed this. He just wants to be with his people!
>
> But I was up and he had no interested in being with me.  He doesn't
> even let my husband near him so I would be surprised if he was wanting
> to play with Mike.

Was he in a multi-cat environment before you got him?


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bigbadbarry - 23 May 2005 13:27 GMT
<Telecomdani@aol.com>

We are at our wits end - I don't want to give him away, but I
> don't know what else to do.
>
> Danielle

Is there a way to conceal the fact that the sun has come up? Covering a
window?

This is very cute what he is doing...haha, get up get up get up get up...the
sun is up people we're burning daylight, headem up movem out! get up get up
get up. Your kitten must have a little rooster in him.
Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 14:35 GMT
The window in our room is really dark - I think he looks into the
hallway and sees the light.  There is really no way to block out the
whole house.  As far as cute -I think you can only say that looking
from the outside..lol  :O)
bigbadbarry - 23 May 2005 16:17 GMT
<Telecomdani@aol.com>

> The window in our room is really dark - I think he looks into the
> hallway and sees the light.  There is really no way to block out the
> whole house.  As far as cute -I think you can only say that looking
> from the outside..lol  :O)

What are you doing sleeping at 4:30 in the morning, the world is passing you
by.
Just kidding.

Noooo, my cat did the same for a long time, now he is awake before me, but
setting at the foot of the bed waiting for me to get up. He sneaks around
when I'm asleep.

Well, all these nice books and web-sites and kind kind people, we say one
thing, but Im goin tell you the truth...what broke Ruprecht, I do not
reccommend this..

---to borrow a few line here---
FOR the most wild, yet most homely narrative which I am about to pen, I
neither expect nor solicit belief. Mad indeed would I be to expect it, in a
case where my very senses reject their own evidence. Yet, mad am I not --and
very surely do I not dream. ...Poe...

in spite of my many many many pleadings and negotiatings with my cat...to
stop waking me up at 3 and 4 in the morning (this is the best sleep) I had
gone for weeks with little to no real sleep to speak of...In places where
camels are still used to transport things...this is true...they will load
that camel until they see a tear come to his eye, then they know that is
enough. This is the practice. I tell you the truth, it had come to tears for
lack of sleep. I was a sight, my nerves and my senses were jangled.

He woke me up one morning...I come out the bed like I was posessed and I
went through the whole  house screaming and yelling like a mad man...popping
holes in my walls with a golf club.cussing and swearing every breath, I was
saying things you wouldn't hear in a cat fight..It was like a chemical
thing, I didn't plan it, but it happened. I went slam off, I never saw the
cat, I don't know where he had hid himself...but I was a stark
lunatic...FURIOUS ANGER...That morning was the straw that broke the camels
back, I had no more patience for him, NONE. I didn't care, and I tell
ya...it was better for me to have to patch a few holes rather than touch my
Ruprecht.

He never did it again.

Barry

... Women and cats are both black at night. - Bosnia ...
Mary - 23 May 2005 17:08 GMT
> <Telecomdani@aol.com>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> by.
> Just kidding.

lol Barry!
Philip - 23 May 2005 17:40 GMT
SNIP
> He woke me up one morning...I come out the bed like I was posessed
> and I went through the whole  house screaming and yelling like a mad
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Barry

And there you have it, ladies.  This is an exemplary example of why foster
fathers have MUCH less behavior problems with foster children than do foster
mothers.
Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 17:58 GMT
Barry - my husband was pretty close to that this morning.  ;O)
jmc - 23 May 2005 18:50 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Telecomdani@aol.com exclaimed (5/23/2005 6:02
PM):
> Barry - my husband was pretty close to that this morning.  ;O)

As far as the waking you up, Meep did the same as a kitten.

But all I did was, if she woke me up, I picked her up, put her outside
the bedroom, closed the door, and went back to sleep.  It was hard, but
I ignored her calling, or if she got bad, I'd run over to the door,
fling it open, and GROWL or HISS at her.

Someone here a long time ago said they kept a vaccum by the bed, and
when the cat would yowl outside the door, they'd turn it on for 10 or 15
seconds.  I never needed to do that though.

It took about two weeks to get consistent, but she learned pretty fast,
and after that, she'd patiently wait by the bed until the alarm went off.

Nowadays, as long as she doesn't wake me up, she's allowed on the bed,
and if she's annoying and ignores the first warning - a low growl -
sweeping her off the bed reminds her to mind her manners.  This is a
very rare happening.

jmc
Priscilla H. Ballou - 23 May 2005 21:47 GMT
>  
> He never did it again.

LOL.  Smart cat.

Priscilla
Priscilla H. Ballou - 23 May 2005 21:41 GMT
> <Telecomdani@aol.com>
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> sun is up people we're burning daylight, headem up movem out! get up get up
> get up. Your kitten must have a little rooster in him.

My Sinbad (of well-beloved memory) did this when I dropped him off for a
visit with my parents in Vermont.  This was about 25 years ago.  Sinbad
had been a stray who lived in the back alleys of Beacon Hill in Boston.
I adopted him after he moved in through my bedroom window (cue the
Beatles song), but when I went for a long trip around New Brunswick, I
needed somewhere safe to leave him, so he went to visit Grandma and
Grandpa in the country. ;-)  

He'd never been outside the small section of Beacon Hill before, never
seen fields or hills, never seen as much wildlife as there was on the
little back road in rural VT where my parents lived.  During the day,
he'd lurk inside the house, but at night he wanted to be OUT and ABOUT!
I theorized that there was too much open green for him during the day,
but he felt safer at night, more like he was still in the alleys between
buildings.  So for the evenings before I actually left for Canada, I'd
let him out (the family cat I'd grown up with had roamed free there for
decades and lived to a ripe old age) at dusk, and then I'd call him in
before I went to sleep.  

But (getting back to the point) when the sun came up, Sinbad was in my
room on my windowsill serenading the first rays, talking to the birds,
teasing the chipmunks.  A-rooooh!  A-roohah!  It was enough to drive you
batty.  He wasn't lacking for anything, he was just excited, turned on,
glorying in nature.  I think my mother said he calmed down some after a
few days, and when we came back, picked him up, and returned to Boston,
he was the same old self he'd been before the trip.

Now, as to your specifics, Danielle, I wonder about a change in his
environment.  The sun does come up fairly early this time of year
(assuming you're in the northern hemisphere).  What was his old
environment like, where he was before you adopted him?  He may get used
to whatever the change is and grow out of it.  Or, as someone else
suggested, he may need a sibling to share the early morning time with.

In the meantime, perhaps earplugs and/or a white noise machine?  I got
one of the latter when I lived in an apartment next to the freshmen dorm
of Berklee School of Music.  My bedroom windows opened on an air shaft
that was surrounded on two sides by dorm windows.  Those boys could be
rude, crude, and LOUD!  So I can testify that white noise machines can
work wonders.

Priscilla
kaeli - 23 May 2005 15:43 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> I know this is a common question - but I haven't really seen an answer
> that I think will work.  My kitty is 11 months old (we have had him for
> 3 months) he has adapted really well to us.  Recently

Key word -- recently.
Has anything changed since he started this? And remember, by "anything", it
could be something really small you aren't thinking of. He's a cat. He
notices things you won't, for example, a new school bus route down the road
or some such. A new smell, such as a change in fabric softener. A change in
routine, such as you sleeping in when you didn't used to. New neighborhood
noises, such as lawn mowers. Little things that may mean nothing to you.

Is he neutered? I'd assume so, but you know what assume does...  ;)

> he has started
> meowing as soon as the sun comes up.  He has full rein of the house and
> just walks from room to room meowing.  I got up this morning with him

Don't do that. You're rewarding him. He meowed. You got up. Mission
accomplished.

Does he have access to the bedroom?
If not, try that. He may just want to be by you.
If he has access, when he cries, shut the door (with him on the other side of
it) and let him meow all he likes while you sleep. He will learn that crying
doesn't get you up and gets him locked out. That's no fun.

> at about 4:30 am - hoping he just wanted attention and would like my
> husband at least get some sleep.  But this did not seem to change
> anything.  My husband and I talked about sending him to the basement
> when he gets like this, but he won't even walk down the stairs and he
> since he was an abused kitten I don't want to put him somewhere that
> will make him afraid.

Is he afraid of the basement?

Does he have a kitty companion to play with? Would he like one? Can you
support another cat?
I'm a big fan of having at least two cats in the home. They entertain each
other.

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Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 May 2005 17:58 GMT
HI Kaeli,

Yes he has access to the bedroom - he actually sleeps with us and
normally at around 4:00 am tries to get me up to play but will just go
play on his own when I ignore him until about 6:00 am when the alarm
clock goes off.  I might try the door thing, but my husband hates
sleeping with the door shut.  I think we might need to give that a try.
He is neutered which is one of the confusing things because my
husbands family cats stopped the crazy meowing for nothing once that
was taken care of.  I guess to each cat thier own.  The crazy thing is
that he had no interest in playing or attention or food (although he
did eat) at 4:00 am...he just wandered around meowing.  I think he is
afraid of the basement - it has been closed off to him so far (it took
about three weeks for him to just feel comfortable enough to leave his
room so it doesn't surprise me).  I am afraid to get another cat - not
sure I could handle it.
kaeli - 23 May 2005 20:17 GMT
> Yes he has access to the bedroom - he actually sleeps with us and
> normally at around 4:00 am tries to get me up to play but will just go
> play on his own when I ignore him until about 6:00 am when the alarm
> clock goes off.  I might try the door thing, but my husband hates
> sleeping with the door shut.  I think we might need to give that a try.

Well, the door closed thing is simply an aversive. He meows, something
undesirable happens -- he gets locked out!
You know your cat better than we do. You know what bugs him. Maybe he has a
distaste of the old squirt bottle. Maybe a loud NO would suffice. Anything
that is considered "not nice" as opposed to "nice" -- as long as the two
aren't paired! If he's like one of my cats, the NO itself is a reward because
it is attention! That cat gets time-out instead. Complete removal of
attention, since that was what she wanted. The other two listen to NO just
fine most of the time.

>  He is neutered which is one of the confusing things because my
> husbands family cats stopped the crazy meowing for nothing once that
> was taken care of.  I guess to each cat thier own.  

Jeffrey likes to walk around and yell. Just walks around and gives a few good
meows every night (well, every night I'm up to hear it anyway) at about 10-
11pm. Sometimes I hear him just as I'm drifting off. Sometimes I'm at the
computer still or watching the idiot box or something. I think he's just
telling the girls that it's time to play and doing an "olly olly oxen
FREE!!!". *heh*
I sleep like the dead, so unless I was already up, doesn't bother *me* any. I
sleep through thunderstorms and people mowing the lawn outside my window. A
little meowing doesn't budge me.

> I am afraid to get another cat - not
> sure I could handle it.

YMMV, but in my experience, two is easier than one. A bit more expenses, such
as the vet costs, but since they entertain each other, I don't feel guilty
for working all day and they aren't nuts for attention when I get home. I'm
not sure which part you don't think you could handle: money or time. It does
cost more (though not that much more, really). However, it takes LESS of your
time, since you don't need to play with the cat ALL the time -- he has a
playmate.
Just something to think about.

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Mary - 23 May 2005 17:03 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Danielle

Maybe he needs a companion! Another cat about his age, maybe a
female? Speaking as someone who has had one, then two cats,
it is not much more trouble to have two, and they are great together
when you are out or occupied and cannot play with them. The other
thing I thought of is, has he had a thorough vet check with emphasis
on "doctor he howls a lot, what might be wrong?" He might be
trying to tell you something.
 
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