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Can fluid or transfusion overload cause heart failure?..long..
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Lucrezia Borgia - 22 May 2005 01:16 GMT Several weeks ago, my cat had to be admitted to an animal hospital for emergency surgery to remove bladder stones which were blocking his urinary tract. A few hours before surgery, his BUN was 70 and his packed cell volume % (PCV) was in normal ranges. Four hours after surgery, his PCV% dropped into the mid teens. Four hours later, they called and asked for permission to give him a transfusion, to which I agreed.
When I saw him the next day, he was receiving a second transfusion because his PCV% was still very low. He was also on a fluid line, but was no longer catheterized. He did not regain normal urination after surgery: he was either voiding small amounts where he was lying or sitting or they were expressing his bladder. On the third day after surgery, because he wasn't eating they decided that he was anxious and discharged him. They gave me no meds for the urinary tract but just said to observe his urination. I brought him back 12 hours later since he was not peeing normally or eating. He was examined, and we were sent home. About 15 hours after that I rushed him back in because he was in respiratory distress. He turned out to be in congestive heart failure.
I immediately thought that he probably had cardiomyopathy, which had previously shown no symptoms. But when I asked the first vet caring for him on this round what had caused the heart failure, he said he thought it was from 'transfusion overload' along with some pre-existing unknown heart problem. They did an echocardiogram on him, and the only thing of significance that showed up was 'mild to moderate diastolic dysfunction'.
Fortunately, he survived being sedated, so he could be catheterized and the CHF resolved after having fluid removed from both his pleural cavity and his lungs. I was told that if they could get his urination issues resolved, he would not be placed on cardiac medication. The vet said he had an atonic (stretched) bladder, and that he needed to be catheterized for several days for the bladder to regain elasticity. Ultimately, he also found up with urethral spasms and after a course of medication, some steroids and catheterization, he was urinating on his own.
I became very suspicious at the point I realized he did not have cardiomyopathy. I requested his records, and after eventually getting all of them, discovered that during the first admission, he had experienced an episode of fluid overload, which given the blood and fluids being pumped into him on top of his lack of proper urination and the lack of a catheter. Nothing was done to explore why he was not urinating properly after surgery, even though bladder atony is not an unusual occurence after having bladder stones removed. When I brought him back in in respiratory distress, his PCV % was still in the teens, and his BUN was 213 and his creatinine was over 6.0. When I checked to see what his BUN had been when he was discharged the first time, I discovered that they never did a full blood panel on him, except for the one done before the operation.
I amassed a huge bill on his care - he was at a big name place in a big city - and I complained to them about the fact that they sent him home without resolving the urination, thinking that the kidney problems were what put him into heart failure. They responded that they still felt it was appropriate for them to send him home when they did etc etc. They also made much of the anemia, but failed to mention that it had occurred post surgery or to note that his blood factors were almost normal 2 weeks after he was discharged the second time. That was before I got the records however.
Now they are still defending their decision, altho they are offering me a small discount that is not acceptable to me, given that their actions almost killed him IMO. They now concluded that the combination of transfusion and fluid overload and his urination issues put an already existing heart problem over the edge, triggering the CHF.
If anyone is still reading this, do you know whether volume overload from whatever source can cause damage to the heart all on its own. I had the impression that it could, because it could be a life threatening situation. After talking to a few human medical types (my own vet is not being all that helpful for reasons I don't want to get into, altho he was not involved directly in these events), they think that it is more likely that the anemia was putting stress on the heart because of declining oxygen right at the time that they were pumping fluids into him, while his kidneys were starting to slow down, and that that triggered the heart failure. If my cat was never diagnosed with a cardiac problem, and has always received well care check-ups, how can anyone determine that there was a pre-existing condition??
I'd be grateful for any comments on any of this. My cat pulled through but seems to be at only 90% of where he was before.
Adam Helberg - 22 May 2005 03:36 GMT > Several weeks ago, my cat had to be admitted to an animal hospital for > emergency surgery to remove bladder stones which were blocking his [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > I'd be grateful for any comments on any of this. My cat pulled through > but seems to be at only 90% of where he was before. I'm no vet either but anemia and kidney failure with no urine output plus fluids can cause acute heart failure with pulmonary edema in humans. In humans the fluid can be removed by dialysis so the patient can be transfused. It's not uncommon for dialysis patients to have bouts of pulmonary edema, but I don't believe there is permanent damage to the heart.
In any case what's in the past is in the past.
Adam
Lucrezia Borgia - 22 May 2005 03:59 GMT Thanks for your response. They put him on lasix to get the fluid out of his lungs and did a needle extraction for the fluid in his pleural cavity. His kidney reactions were post-renal problems caused by the original obstruction and post-surgical urination troubles. Since they did not initially address the abnormal urination post-surgery, I believe the kidneys slowed down even further. He also would not eat, likely related to the kidney issue.
Over a 4 day period, starting with the heart failure day, his weight dropped by 11%, I'm sure all fluids. But he was safely catheterized by then. He was a totally different cat compared to when he had been discharged. My own vet did a microalbuminuria test which in cats is now considered to pick up very early signs of kidney disease; 2.5 is the tolerable level and his came in at 0.20, so I think his kidneys are okay. I hope that you are right about the heart.
This isn't totally over for me, given that I owe them thousands of dollars still. And they did almost kill him. This was a surgical vet working with him, altho there are other specialties at the place, and they removed the catheter because of the risk of post-surgical infection. But they sort of lost sight of the fact that if you bring in a cat because he cannot pee, you shouldn't send him home again until he can. I can't believe in retrospect that I did not demand that they have a medicine or urology specialist evaluate him. I did not know very much about feline lower tract urinary disorders before this but I sure do now.
Thanks again.
animzmirot - 22 May 2005 03:54 GMT A short answer to a long post. Yes, absolutely positively yes, an overload of fluids can and does cause CHF. It does in humans, it does in cats, and it probably does in plenty of other animals.
Marjorie
> Several weeks ago, my cat had to be admitted to an animal hospital for > emergency surgery to remove bladder stones which were blocking his [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > I'd be grateful for any comments on any of this. My cat pulled through > but seems to be at only 90% of where he was before. Lucrezia Borgia - 22 May 2005 04:06 GMT And are you both saying that that can happen without any pre-existing heart problems at all? Now that the fluid overload was discovered by me in the records, and the senior guy learned that another vet said he thought transfusion overload was to blame, they are claiming he must have had a pre-existing heart problem. Given their initial response to me, which was that the decision to send him home before his urine problems were solved was 'reasonable'. because the vet thought he had HOSPITAL ANXIETY, at least they now assume that I read at more than a 4th grade level.
(If you think this was long, I've already sent the CEO two 7 page letters lol.)
Phil P. - 22 May 2005 07:40 GMT > And are you both saying that that can happen without any pre-existing > heart problems at all? Absolutely!
> Now that the fluid overload was discovered by me in the records, and > the senior guy learned that another vet said he thought transfusion > overload was to blame, they are claiming he must have had a > pre-existing heart problem. They're trying to cover their collective incompetent a.ses! The fact that his CRF resolved after paracentesis (abdominocentesis or thoracocentesis) is incontrovertible evidence that the CHF was caused by *iatrogenic* (vet induced) volume overload. The echo confirms this fact. If he had *any* trace of CHF the echo would have shown some degree of left atrial enlargement. Also, if he had any trace of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy the echo would have shown some thickening of the interventricular septum and/or the left ventricular posterior wall.
His dyspnoea was also caused by *iatrogenic* fluid overload- the backup of fluid into his lungs was preventing his lungs from ventilating and oxygenating his blood.
His BUN was elevated because a urinary tract obstruction in male cats produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure- IOW, urea diffuses back across the renal tubules and raises the BUN.
Given their initial response to me, which
> was that the decision to send him home before his urine problems were > solved was 'reasonable'. because the vet thought he had HOSPITAL > ANXIETY, at least they now assume that I read at more than a 4th grade > level. It infuriates me when a vet conjures up an utter bullshit story to cover his a.s!
> (If you think this was long, I've already sent the CEO two 7 page > letters lol.) I'd send him more than letter!
Sorry if I was a bit harsh- stories like this really piss me off.
I just hope your cat is ok.
Best of luck,
Phil
Lucrezia Borgia - 22 May 2005 09:00 GMT Trust me, the only reason my description was polite was that I don't like using profanities on-line. I do use them enough in real life. This has been an odyssey. It took an extended effort to get his full record set. Initially I only got test reports, and one single lab report for the first admission. I called med records and had 4 different clerks tell me that their policy was to only send out test results, a clear violation of the law. I finally called the President's office, got his secretary, told her my name, the problem and the regs according to the office of professional discipline. She immediately told me that she would connect me with someone to help me. I got a hold of her 5 minutes later, and she was already in Medical Records. She actually had the balls to tell me that most of their clients do not understand certain of the records, so they don't send them out. Within 2 hours, they were available for pickup.
When I saw the first set of tests only, I noted that both a cardiologist and a radiologist had scribbled in the history box that he had one episode of fluid overload, which no one told me about. After that, I went on the rampage. I'm not sure what my next step will be. I've been ferreting out addresses of their trustees where they will actually get mail, and have amassed a lot of info on the place which is a not-for profit. I might write up a handout telling people to ask for their financial support programs, which they don't mention to anyone. (At the end of 2003, they had $40 million bucks in the bank, and virtually no liabilities.) I've already checked with the police precinct they are in, and have verified my right to pass out flyers. What I may do is draft a letter to their trustees and a draft of the flyers, and email them to the CEO asking him which he preferred I send out next! Plus, I took photos of my cat on the day before he was discharged, and he looks half dead, which he likely was. I sent them to him in my last letter. 'Art' sometimes helps. That's another possible handout as well.
All I can think is that they are rarely challenged or that people back down easily. I've just gotten madder, which is why they offered me a 20% discount.
In the name of God, I cannot fathom how a Director of surgery can continue to support sending a non-urinating cat home after surgery to remove stones so he could urinate!
This large place benefits from being the major 24/7 place in my hometown, although private ER places are now opening. Do you live just west of the Hudson? (I looked at your webpage from another post.) If you do, you might guess whom I mean, since I live east of the Hudson. I just don't want to mention them by name here.
-L. - 22 May 2005 09:27 GMT <snip>
> When I saw the first set of tests only, I noted that both a > cardiologist and a radiologist had scribbled in the history box that he [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > you do, you might guess whom I mean, since I live east of the Hudson. I > just don't want to mention them by name here. First, I would file a grievance with the state licencing board. I would do that before I did anything else. That's about your only course of action that will mean anything to them.
Unless you can get another vet to write a report stating malpractice, you pretty much have to pay the bill. If you can get another vet to support you (fat chance - they are all in cahouts) I would refuse to pay the bill and let them sue you in small claims. Then you can defend not paying because of malpractice. One way to get a vet's support is to get an out-of-state vet to support your findings - sometimes they will because they have no interest in the matter.
If you file with the state licencing board, it becomes a matter of public record, regardless of what happens during/after the investigation. That way, people who research a vet thoroughly before choosing them can be privy to what happened.
I'm glad your kitty is ok.
Good luck, -L.
Lucrezia Borgia - 22 May 2005 21:07 GMT This is not a typical situation. This is not a private vet; it is a not for profit animal hospital with a 'great reputation'. I'm not certain if I can file a complaint against them as an entity, and so far, I cannot figure out whether any public agency 'licenses' them as a care facility. (The way a human hospital is licensed by its state's health department, usually.) I could file a complaint against the junior vet actually caring for him but the problem was wider than that.
I've paid about half of a very large bill. I have no intention of paying any more.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Phil P. - 23 May 2005 05:57 GMT > Trust me, the only reason my description was polite was that I don't > like using profanities on-line. I do use them enough in real life. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > you do, you might guess whom I mean, since I live east of the Hudson. I > just don't want to mention them by name here. Yeah, I'm a little West of the River- but I grew up East of the River and I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about- (A)ll (M)y (C)hildren?
Phil
Lucrezia Borgia - 23 May 2005 06:59 GMT LOL ..aka (A)all (M)y (C)ash
Phil P. - 23 May 2005 12:54 GMT > LOL ..aka (A)all (M)y (C)ash ROTFL! Very good! You hit the nail smack on the head! Have you ever seen a vet clinic with valet parking before? The valet parking should have been a tip off for what you were in for! ;-)
Phil
Barb - 22 May 2005 11:36 GMT Lucrezia,
I'm not a vet but I did read your whole letter. From what I read you are very lucky that your cat is still almost as well as before. I certainly have heard of underlying heart conditions in kids, otherwise healthy, that had yearly check-ups and then dropped dead in the middle of sports from an undiagnosed heart condition that no one knew about.
For a knowledgeable response from someone who isn't actually a vet, refer your question to Phil.
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
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