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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Morning after pill
I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us having to worry about the population. This could work for a pet, I realize a homeless cat would miss too many pills. >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us > having to worry about the population. > > This could work for a pet, I realize a homeless cat would miss too many > pills. No.  Signature-Kelly > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > -Kelly Im just kind of using this as a sounding board, kind of thinking outloud that's all. A pill disguised as a tasty cat treat, could help in reducing the population. If humans can do this, and it does work, I know it can be made for cats. Of course the ongoing cost of these pills would ultimately cost more than surgury, although...for example, I read a post on her, a lady was feeding strays but could not catch all of them. Feeble at worst, but supportive of the goal, to reduce and eliminate homeless sickly cats. Just like pennies, some people scatter them about their homes, in their car consoles...I save them, them little brown fellas ad up. In the same way, enough people across the country, slipping birth control to enough cats, this could help humans catch up with the problem. I don't think this is a stand alone solution, it's just a penny idea. > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > -Kelly Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster (Patch? or Jeanette?) who had a cat on Ovarid, or something like that. Of course, it's NOT for the general feline population, and not prescribed for any kind of groove-getting. Sherry > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not > healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster > (Patch? or Jeanette?) who had a cat on Ovarid, or something like that. > Of course, it's NOT for the general feline population, and not > prescribed for any kind of groove-getting. I don't know. I just didn't want to get into that whole stupid argument again about not spay/neutering so cats can still have sex and bring that nutjob back on here. Signature-Kelly > > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not > > healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > -Kelly Gotcha, but WHICH nutjob? There are so many these days it's hard to keep track. Sherry > Gotcha, but WHICH nutjob? There are so many these days it's hard to > keep track. I can't remember her name, but she was a real fruitcake. Kept going on and on about doing vasectomies and hysterectomies on cats so they could still "enjoy" sex. Signature-Kelly > > Gotcha, but WHICH nutjob? There are so many these days it's hard to > > keep track. > > I can't remember her name, but she was a real fruitcake. Kept going on and > on about doing vasectomies and hysterectomies on cats so they could still > "enjoy" sex. Oh, yeah, the one who didn't know what a hysterectomy was. Shhhhh . . . Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/index.php > > Gotcha, but WHICH nutjob? There are so many these days it's hard to > > keep track. > > I can't remember her name, but she was a real fruitcake. Kept going on and > on about doing vasectomies and hysterectomies on cats so they could still > "enjoy" sex. It was the one calling herself Margaret Sanger. There is likely still a web site called margaretsanger.com where she pontificates. On Thu 19 May 2005 11:21:59p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1116559319.141815.204090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com): >> > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who >> > are not healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry LOL! Too true. Does this ring a bell? ;) http://www.mating-without-pregnancy.com/ SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not > > healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > -Kelly FTR I'm not against surgery to prevent over population. I could care less if two cats get it on...what do I care. I said "get groove on"...because that is reality ladies... CATS HUMP wether we like or not. It's a fact. That's all. I am not pro cat pleasure pro se. > FTR > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I am not pro cat pleasure pro se. OK, well, the most efficient way to keep the population down is to spay and neuter as many cats as possible. I don't think giving a cat birth control is a great idea. There are many other health benefits to spaying besides preventing pregnancies. Namely, prevention of pyometria, and ovarian and breast cancer. Signature-Kelly > OK, well, the most efficient way to keep the population down is to spay and > neuter as many cats as possible. I don't think giving a cat birth control [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > -Kelly I hear ya, I'm a little overwhelmed I have come to realize this is an ongoing pursuit with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel. I am rich in abstract thought, so I think, let's solve the whole thing in one fell swoop...lol, not going to happen. Im a dreamer. > > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not > > healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster > > (Patch? or Jeanette?) who had a cat on Ovarid, or something like that. > > Of course, it's NOT for the general feline population, and not > > prescribed for any kind of groove-getting. Ovarid-Ovaban- same stuff- megestrol acetate. It only suppresses or postpones estrus in queens- doesn't sterilize them. Very nasty adverse effects (profound adrenocortical suppression, diabetes, endometritis, CEH, mammary hypertrophy and neoplasias, to name a few). A few other chemicals have been tried but none produced permanent sterility without serious adverse effects. There's an experimental recombinant GnRH vaccine still in the testing stages that seems to show some promise- but its still to early to say or even guess how effective it would be in controlling the general feline population. Its supposed to work in any mammal but might require more than one injection to achieve sterility. I think they achieved 12 weeks in dogs and about 20 months in cats. For an immunocontraception agent to be practical for the general feline population, it must produce permanent sterility after a single dose and also eliminate the deleterious effects of gonadotropin hormones without producing serious adverse effects. Quite a trick. > I don't know. I just didn't want to get into that whole stupid argument > again about not spay/neutering so cats can still have sex and bring that > nutjob back on here. Oh yeah, I remember her. Believe it or not, I actually felt a little sorry for her. She really cared about cats but just didn't understand their physiology and didn't want to hear how dangerous her 'alternatives' to neutering actually are. Sometimes, cat lovers are more dangerous to cats than cat haters! Phil > Isn't there a birth control pill specifically for cats who are not > healthy enough to spay? It seems like I recall an English poster [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry Yeah. Ovarid is mostly used by breeders to control a breeding Queen's cycle. Long-term use can lead to pyometra. It's basically estrogen-based. Delvosterone is also used but it sometimes causes menopause. They also use Ovadrid for other hormone issues in neutered males and females. -L. >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for >the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us >having to worry about the population. > >This could work for a pet, I realize a homeless cat would miss too many >pills. An intact male would probably do a lot of spraying in the house plus there are health downsides for intact males. -mhd > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > >the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -mhd pill is for female >> >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control >for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >pill is for female Then how are they going to "get thier <sic> groove on"? -mhd > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > >the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -mhd i reckon this is not a good idea as far as mass birth control > > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control > for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > i reckon this is not a good idea as far as mass birth control I agree. Also, Phil P. says that sex is just painful for female cats because the males have spiny penises. >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us > having to worry about the population. > > This could work for a pet, I realize a homeless cat would miss too many > pills. You're anthropomorphising. You can't imagine what it would be like not to have a sex drive, so you assume it must be a bad thing, and you visit that belief upon animals. Animals don't miss what they don't want. It's the lesser of two evils. > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Animals don't miss what they don't want. > It's the lesser of two evils. Anthropomorphising again. > > It's the lesser of two evils. > > Anthropomorphising again. ok, so I am anthropomorphising Now that we're in agreement on that, why do you say we should not spay or neuter pets. In light of the conseqeunces... are you standing up for their pleasures? now who is anthropomorphiser? it's ok lollipop there's a little bit of hypocrite in all of us. >> > It's the lesser of two evils. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Now that we're in agreement on that, why do you say we should not spay or > neuter pets. I'm not. > >> > It's the lesser of two evils. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm not. whuh are too!!! how in the world do you know what a cat wants or not it's all instinct...you are anthropomorphising > > It's the lesser of two evils. > > Anthropomorphising again. You have, like, three songs. Next you will talk about how cats should be outside and about how there is no cat abuse in NZ. Let's hear Assley's greatest hits! >> I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control >> for the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Animals don't miss what they don't want. VERY well stated. > >I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control for > > the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on without us [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Animals don't miss what they don't want. I don't think any of them see it as pleasure, or feel depraved if they do not have pleasure. This is silly thinking at best... WHO ARE WE FOOLIN' there are kittens everywhere! (homeless ones too) Am I missing something? Humans are left to clean up the mess all these studs are leaving behind. Getting a woman pregnant and leaving her with the children is not cool. Ok, I'll stand for cat humping, after you have emptied one city of it's homeless cats. Be an idealist, but be realistic about reaching the ideals. > Be an idealist, but be realistic about reaching the ideals. Mindless sex is not one of my ideals. And those who have no drive don't miss it. > > Be an idealist, but be realistic about reaching the ideals. > > Mindless sex is not one of my ideals. And those who have no drive don't miss > it. I stand corrected, I thought you was anti-neutererererer but then, you misread my meaning, closed the door and left me blinded by the light whipped out big a.s word and kicked my butt. haaaaaaa! but...that's my fualt too...i did say, getting groove on. here's what i posted above. "FTR I'm not against surgery to prevent over population. I could care less if two cats get it on...what do I care. I said "get groove on"...because that is reality ladies... CATS HUMP wether we like or not. It's a fact. That's all. I am not pro cat pleasure pro se." oh well..still no solution does my mind find. > I wonder if there are alternatives to neuturing, like birth control > for the females cats. Then the males could get thier groove on > without us having to worry about the population. > > This could work for a pet, I realize a homeless cat would miss too > many pills. I don't get the reasoning here. Why would giving cats pills be better than the surgery? Human birth control pills need to be taken at the same time every day to be effective. Stats seem to show that people have a hard enough time doing this, and they at least don't fight, spit out pills, etc. The morning after pill, as I understand it, is a massive dose of hormone. It causes vomiting, among other things. And you have to take it within a very tight timeframe (hence the name), so you'd somehow have to know your female cat has had sex recently. There's a three-month injection called Depo, but it has more side effects than the daily pill. Soooo ... whether you're joking or not, this just seems like a bad idea all around. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Stats seem to show that people have a hard enough time > doing this, and they at least don't fight, spit out pills, etc. Oh? How do you know this? ;) :D Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/index.php >> Stats seem to show that people have a hard enough time doing this, >> and they at least don't fight, spit out pills, etc. > > Oh? How do you know this? ;) :D Hah! Okay, *I* never fought myself or spat out my pill. YMMV. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in message > Soooo ... whether you're joking or not, this just seems like a bad > idea all around. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Well, it's my fault for dropping the soap. wuh? who? put some windex on it! aaahhh To tell the truth, when I made the post, I was day dreaming about a pill, that would perform the sugery chemically. Instant sterility! painless, and permanent. But as we all know! The world is flat. |
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