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Brian Link - 18 May 2005 03:37 GMT
Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday, and suspect doors are all open.
No spraying incidents since then. I'm not satisfied yet that this will
cure all - but it's encouraging.

Took Louis to the vet today. The vet said he looked ridiculously
healthy, and got a urine sample. Sample looked fine, so we can rule
out any urinary tract distress.

(it's so nice to have all the vets and vet assistants swooning over
how beautiful and well-behaved your kitty is)

He did bring up a sort of pet theory he's been attracted to lately -
which is that cats in distress will sprout nodules in their unrinary
tract that cause them to pee inappropriately. He's had success with
treating these cats with anti-depressants to calm them down.
Interesting possibility.

At any rate, if this is stress-related, I'm hopeful that the diffusers
will help. Notwithstanding Mary's crack-pipe hallucinations.

BLink
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 03:43 GMT
> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday

all you had to do was put tape over the strike plate...let the cat come
and go till he stops.

everything is not fixed with money, whats wrong with a wittle wit

> At any rate, if this is stress-related, I'm hopeful that the diffusers
> will help. Notwithstanding Mary's crack-pipe hallucinations.
>
> BLink

By any chance, did the word PISS come outcha mouth at the vet...
there's women on here man!
Brian Link - 18 May 2005 03:47 GMT
>> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
>
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>By any chance, did the word PISS come outcha mouth at the vet...
>there's women on here man!

I believed we restricted ourselves to the more socially-acceptable
"Pee".

Mostly because "urination" takes so much more time to speak.

BLink
Mary - 18 May 2005 04:16 GMT
> >> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
> >
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>
> Mostly because "urination" takes so much more time to speak.

Inappropriate elimination is the proper term. Dick face. :)
Brian Link - 18 May 2005 05:30 GMT
>> >> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
>> >
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>
>Inappropriate elimination is the proper term. Dick face. :)

Thank you whore-hole.

BLink
Mary - 18 May 2005 06:44 GMT
> >> >> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
> >> >
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>
> Thank you whore-hole.

Three points for originality, a.s breath!
Brian Link - 18 May 2005 05:40 GMT
>> >> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
>> >
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>
>Inappropriate elimination is the proper term. Dick face. :)

hm. my vet undestood me completely.

Though he isn't bound by the mask of insanity as you are.

BLink
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 05:48 GMT
> hm. my vet undestood me completely.

well...somebody has to pay his car note

>Though he isn't bound by the mask of insanity as you are

How do you know about my insanity
Mary - 18 May 2005 06:52 GMT
> > hm. my vet undestood me completely.
>
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>
> How do you know about my insanity

hey, no way! It's MY mahhhhsk of inSAHnity! MuHaHaha
Mary - 18 May 2005 06:50 GMT
> >> >> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
> >> >
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>
> Though he isn't bound by the mask of insanity as you are.

"Bound by the mask of insanity." Nice purple prose. Bet your
music is just as hackneyed.
Mary - 18 May 2005 04:14 GMT
> > Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
>
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> By any chance, did the word PISS come outcha mouth at the vet...
> there's women on here man!

Hee. I like when cretins show themselves.
bigbadbarry - 22 May 2005 15:38 GMT
> > > Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
> >
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>
> Hee. I like when cretins show themselves.

Mary what does cretin mean?
Mary - 22 May 2005 15:50 GMT
> > > > Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday
> > >
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>
> Mary what does cretin mean?

Good morning, Barry! :)

It is slang for "idiot."

Go here to look stuff up, you just type the word in the box:

http://dictionary.reference.com/

I always thought of the meaning as "a very stupid,
crass, ham-handed, heavy-footed, loud-mouthed
idiot" but in fact, your question led me to look it
up and the meanings are fascinating. It actually
refers to a physical condition, and I had no idea
about that. Live and learn. :)
-L. - 18 May 2005 06:03 GMT
> Bought a Feliway diffuser yesterday, and suspect doors are all open.
> No spraying incidents since then. I'm not satisfied yet that this will
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> treating these cats with anti-depressants to calm them down.
> Interesting possibility.

Cats under stress have been known to pee inappropriately for a long
time and the use of Elavil to correct it has been used also.  One
theory is that it creates an interstitial cystitis-like condition in
the bladder where the lining is not functioning properly.  Elavil is
also used to treat humans with IC.

> At any rate, if this is stress-related, I'm hopeful that the diffusers
> will help. Notwithstanding Mary's crack-pipe hallucinations.

Like I said before it is likely that he also still smells the other
cat.  You can't get rid of the smell 100%, even with the best cleaning
solutions on the market.  Cats just have way too good olfactory senses.

Good luck and keep us posted,
-L.
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 07:58 GMT
>blah blah
>ble blewey blewey ble
>bloo ble ble ble? blee blee
> Good luck and keep us posted,oh and blee blah blah bleeeuueey we wee
> -L.

Now I scarcely more than mutter `Other cats have pee'd before -
On the morrow will he displease me, as my hopes have known before.'
Then the cat said, `Open the closet door.'

-adapted-
Mary - 18 May 2005 17:42 GMT
> >blah blah
> >ble blewey blewey ble
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>
> -adapted-

A Poe fan! A literate man! That was from the Raven.
Way to go. However, you are blowing the reputation the mean old ladies are
trying to build for you, the one where you are an uneducated bad boy
thug-type. :)
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 23:22 GMT
> A Poe fan!

Cool, yeah, Ed is from my hometown (a very diverse place to grow up)
Mary - 18 May 2005 23:26 GMT
> > A Poe fan!
>
> Cool, yeah, Ed is from my hometown (a very diverse place to grow up)

I know he was in Richmond, but her was also in Baltimore for a while.
I cannot recall where he was born. Was it Baltimore?
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 23:49 GMT
> I know he was in Richmond, but her was also in Baltimore for a while.
> I cannot recall where he was born. Was it Baltimore?

I think he was born in Boston, I know he lived in England for a small,
he was kind of a lost boy you know, disowned by his non-paternal
father.
(dang)

Would you believe, I've never gone to the Poe Museum in Cary Town
Richomnd, I've passed it 1,000 times, even turned around in their
parking lot..but never darkened it's door.
KellyH - 19 May 2005 02:38 GMT
> I know he was in Richmond, but her was also in Baltimore for a while.
> I cannot recall where he was born. Was it Baltimore?

I can't remember where he was born, I want to say New York for some reason.
I know, I could go Google it.
He died in Baltimore.
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Mary - 19 May 2005 02:50 GMT
> > I know he was in Richmond, but her was also in Baltimore for a while.
> > I cannot recall where he was born. Was it Baltimore?
>
> I can't remember where he was born, I want to say New York for some reason.
> I know, I could go Google it.
> He died in Baltimore.

I seem to recall from growing up in DC that both Richmond and Baltimore
claimed him. His parents were actors who both died in a fire. Personally I
think he suits both Richmond and Baltimore--that old, haunting quality both
cities have!
bigbadbarry - 19 May 2005 02:54 GMT
both Richmond and Baltimore--that old, haunting quality both
> cities have!

You Go! puts chills on me
Mary - 19 May 2005 06:14 GMT
>  both Richmond and Baltimore--that old, haunting quality both
> > cities have!
>
> You Go! puts chills on me

So you grew up in Richmond?
bigbadbarry - 19 May 2005 06:44 GMT
> So you grew up in Richmond?

Oh shure, I grew up on the backside of Church Hill..Jackson Ward (kind
of the underbelly of Richomnd)We moved away when I was 11, I moved back
when I was 21.
Mary - 19 May 2005 16:37 GMT
> > So you grew up in Richmond?
>
> Oh shure, I grew up on the backside of Church Hill..Jackson Ward (kind
> of the underbelly of Richomnd)We moved away when I was 11, I moved back
> when I was 21.

Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives there. It
is a special
place.
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 May 2005 18:37 GMT
> Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
> there. It is a special place.

You must know a different side of Richmond than I do.  I spent some
time there because I had a lot of student friends living in the Fan
... ugh, what a miserable place.

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bigbadbarry - 19 May 2005 19:00 GMT
> > Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
> > there. It is a special place.
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>
> pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

Every city has a dirty element, but Richmond is big on art of all
kinds, this draws some pretty interesting people. Richmond also has one
of the best medical colleges in the country, this draws lots of money,
Richmond is saturated with old money.
Mary - 19 May 2005 21:46 GMT
> > > Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
> > > there. It is a special place.
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> of the best medical colleges in the country, this draws lots of money,
> Richmond is saturated with old money.

It's an acquired taste, Barry. I like the dirt. I love the old shoe feel of
some
of the old east-coast cities. I dislike shiny yuppified suburbs. (So what am
I
doing in Raleigh, you ask? Hahaha. I can't tell you.) I also hate modern
looking cities, but will put up with them if the people are neat. Or if
there
are people from all over the world.

To like Richmond, like any other place, you have to understand it. Now,
Baltimore I actually do not like. It's sort of the same but there, unlike
Richmond, there is a very strong anti-intellectual quality. A glorification
of ignorance, if you will. And, though it is old, I really cannot stand
Charleston, because for all its beauty it is essentially brain dead.
When they have the Spoleto festival every year, the more interesting
avant garde music or art gets these hilarious reviews--hilarious because
the reviewer is so completely ignorant, yet often a local professor. I
do love Charleston food--and Baltimore seafood!

In the end, I celebrate the diversity of all our very different cities,
worldwide. I hope it all never blends into the suburbs.
Janet B - 19 May 2005 21:59 GMT
>Now,
>Baltimore I actually do not like. It's sort of the same but there, unlike
>Richmond, there is a very strong anti-intellectual quality. A glorification
>of ignorance, if you will.

I think you're very, very wrong.  Maybe it's all those world-class
doctors at Hopkins that strike you that way?

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Mary - 19 May 2005 22:07 GMT
> >Now,
> >Baltimore I actually do not like. It's sort of the same but there, unlike
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> I think you're very, very wrong.  Maybe it's all those world-class
> doctors at Hopkins that strike you that way?

Janet. I'm talking about the Baltimore outside the universities.
Highlandtown comes to mind. There is a huge
blue collar presence, which is fine. I am not a snob. However, it comes with
an ingrained sneering at what the
ignorant often call "book learning" and a glorification of
underachievement. In my experience growing up in DC for part of my life and
visiting there a lot. You are allowed to disagree. In my experience, Hopkins
and UMBC are two oases in a vast, scarred wilderness of glorified ignorance
and racism. I found it to be the most racist (white to black and black to
white and etc., between all the elements of society) place I have ever been.
Everyone in little ethnic or religious or racial pockets squared off against
one another. Of course if you live in Stoneleigh or the other old money
areas, or out in the suburbs you may not see it as much. I am talking about
the City of Baltimore, not the Greater Baltimore Area.

And for the record, I have met many more black people I liked than white
people I liked there. And, I hated DC too, but for different reasons.

Different strokes. (I do not mean to define the city--just to give my
impression of it. And of course there is a range of different kinds of
people there.)
Janet B - 19 May 2005 22:19 GMT
>I found it to be the most racist (white to black and black to
>white and etc., between all the elements of society) place I have ever been.
>Everyone in little ethnic or religious or racial pockets squared off against
>one another. Of course if you live in Stoneleigh or the other old money
>areas, or out in the suburbs you may not see it as much. I am talking about
>the City of Baltimore, not the Greater Baltimore Area.

I think that the "pockets" are disappearing more and more (and I don't
know when you were here last, but the gentrification of various
neighborhoods and the prices the houses are bringing is getting
bizarre!). My husband's family was from "pigtown" for instance, which
was heavily Lithuanian, and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone there
anymore.    I don't disagree with you that there was, and is, racial
and ethnic unrest (did you ever see Barry Levinson's movie "Liberty
Heights"?).  

I had been visiting B'more regularly since 1967, before moving here in
1979.  A lot of change has happened since then.  I was a city-dweller
(no, not Roland Park or Guilford) until 1994, when commuting time
forced us to move to the 'burbs (well, DH's commute time - mine USED
to be 3 minutes!).  If it weren't for that (and somewhat space for the
dogs, but that's not primary), I'd move back into B'more City in a
heartbeat.

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Mary - 19 May 2005 22:29 GMT
> >I found it to be the most racist (white to black and black to
> >white and etc., between all the elements of society) place I have ever been.
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> neighborhoods and the prices the houses are bringing is getting
> bizarre!).

You are correct--I have not been there for a number of years. I do have
friends in Federal Hill and Fells Point, though, so I do know about the
housing prices in the gentrified areas. I love to see the old places
fixed up--but it is a shame when the RE prices go sky high!

>My husband's family was from "pigtown" for instance, which
> was heavily Lithuanian, and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone there
> anymore.    I don't disagree with you that there was, and is, racial
> and ethnic unrest. (did you ever see Barry Levinson's movie "Liberty
> Heights"?).

No, but I have been to Liberty Heights! Do I need to see the movie?

> I had been visiting B'more regularly since 1967, before moving here in
> 1979.  A lot of change has happened since then.  I was a city-dweller
> (no, not Roland Park or Guilford)

Roland Park is where I was trying to think of. I had a college friend from
there and could not believe how rich her family was. With Govans right
next door, gunshots ringing out in the night. It was wild.

>until 1994, when commuting time
> forced us to move to the 'burbs (well, DH's commute time - mine USED
> to be 3 minutes!).  If it weren't for that (and somewhat space for the
> dogs, but that's not primary), I'd move back into B'more City in a
> heartbeat.

There are so many things to love about old cities. I find them so
evocative, you can just feel the old stories floating around you.
I just had unhappy experiences as a 20-something in Baltimore--
it is the people that made me unhappy.

You know what it might be? On the whole, nerds have an easier time of it
in other kinds of cities, especially in college towns like Raleigh. :) More
eggheads here to commiserate with? Anyway--I did not mean to trash
the whole city. Maybe I am like a jilted lover!
Janet B - 19 May 2005 22:48 GMT
>No, but I have been to Liberty Heights! Do I need to see the movie?

Oh yeahhhhh - it's a very good movie. I like most of his movies,
especially the "Baltimore" ones.  They filmed the opening scene of
"Tinmen" in back of my house (an old Cadillac dealership that had been
vacant and is now gone).

> With Govans right
>next door, gunshots ringing out in the night. It was wild.

Govans is next to Guilford, and it is indeed where opposites collide.
It gets better, then worse, then better.  A lot of change once
Memorial Stadium was torn down.  New housing and a new YMCA.  Still,
stark line of have's and have-not's.

>There are so many things to love about old cities. I find them so
>evocative, you can just feel the old stories floating around you.
>I just had unhappy experiences as a 20-something in Baltimore--
>it is the people that made me unhappy.

I understand.  I know that I HATED it when I first moved in 1979 (from
'burbs of Northern NJ).  I love cities, love NYC, and Baltimore seemed
so damn primitive in so many ways.  I think things changed a lot, not
only with progress for the city, but when I bought a house (rowhouse)
and I loved my neighbors/neighborhood.  As much as I enjoy some
privacy and space, I liked a part of having to park on the street
(instead of pushing a garage door opener) and saying hello to the
neighbors when we were leaving for and coming home from work.  Then
there was the wonderful camaraderie that got built due to living on a
tiny one-way street, and having to shovel 2' of snow from the street
by ourselves, or be stranded! ;-D

>You know what it might be? On the whole, nerds have an easier time of it
>in other kinds of cities, especially in college towns like Raleigh. :) More
>eggheads here to commiserate with? Anyway--I did not mean to trash
>the whole city. Maybe I am like a jilted lover!

LOL!  More likely, you experienced B'more at a different point in your
and B'more's life.  Come back sometime - of course summer and crabtime
is best (who wants to deal with people who abandon cars in snow,
afterall?)!

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KellyH - 20 May 2005 02:40 GMT
> Oh yeahhhhh - it's a very good movie. I like most of his movies,
> especially the "Baltimore" ones.  They filmed the opening scene of
> "Tinmen" in back of my house (an old Cadillac dealership that had been
> vacant and is now gone).

The Barry Levinson movies are great!  I also like Avalon a lot.  John Waters
movies give you a whole 'nother side of Baltimore :)

Also good watching, the TV shows "Homicide" (now off the air, but a few
seasons are on DVD) and "The Wire" (on HBO).

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Mary - 20 May 2005 17:21 GMT
> > Oh yeahhhhh - it's a very good movie. I like most of his movies,
> > especially the "Baltimore" ones.  They filmed the opening scene of
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> Also good watching, the TV shows "Homicide" (now off the air, but a few
> seasons are on DVD) and "The Wire" (on HBO).

I love homicide. When my yuppified surroundings here in the "sub" without an
"urb" got to be a bit too much it
supplied the necessary grit to snap me out of it!!
KellyH - 20 May 2005 02:42 GMT
> I had been visiting B'more regularly since 1967, before moving here in
> 1979.  A lot of change has happened since then.  I was a city-dweller
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> dogs, but that's not primary), I'd move back into B'more City in a
> heartbeat.

I grew up in Woodlawn and Reisterstown, moved to the city as an adult.  I
moved up here to MA to be with my boyfriend (now husband) five years ago,
and we will be moving back to MD in a year or so.  Although I really want to
live in the city again, I don't know if we will be able to get a house big
enough for 7 cats and two children.

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Mary - 20 May 2005 17:21 GMT
> > I had been visiting B'more regularly since 1967, before moving here in
> > 1979.  A lot of change has happened since then.  I was a city-dweller
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> live in the city again, I don't know if we will be able to get a house big
> enough for 7 cats and two children.

I would venture to say that you might have a better chance finding
a nice large house in Baltimore than many other cities--however,
it might be hard finding a nice one that is affordable in a decent
section of town.
Janet B - 20 May 2005 17:37 GMT
>I would venture to say that you might have a better chance finding
>a nice large house in Baltimore than many other cities--however,
>it might be hard finding a nice one that is affordable in a decent
>section of town.

Prices are through the roof, and then there's the property tax (twice
as high in B City as in any surrounding county), and higher car
insurance, etc.  "They" sure do make it hard to be a homeowner in the
city.  And all of the people who WORK in the city (and drive) live in
the 'burbs with lower insurance.  Makes no sense at all.  And city
residents get to pay property taxes AND have to pay for private
school, since the public schools are too awful for words (on the
average).  My goddaughter goes to the HS for the arts, which is
wonderful, but not easy to get in to!

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KellyH - 20 May 2005 02:36 GMT
> Janet. I'm talking about the Baltimore outside the universities.
> Highlandtown comes to mind. There is a huge
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> ignorant often call "book learning" and a glorification of
> underachievement.

OMG, you cannot base Baltimore on Highlandtown!  For those who don't know
Highlandtown, rent the John Waters movie "Hairspray".  Hasn't changed that
much since then.
I used to work at a physical therapy office in Essex, so we served that side
of the population.  Even though I lived in the city at the time (Fells
Point), it was a bit of a culture shock.  I was all fancy because I had been
to college and used big words and my husband had a job and wasn't trying to
claim disability.  Many of the people I met had no desire to make something
better of themselves, go anywhere else, see other things, etc.  I invited a
co-worker to my house, but she wouldn't "drive in the city".  I lived 10
minutes away!

Race relations were tense when I was a kid in school, it was a hard time for
me.  Don't want to get into it, but I hope things have improved.

Baltimore has really grown and changed.  I don't think it's the same
backwards town you remember.  I lived in Fells Point, which was a great
arty/music scene.  Mt. Vernon and Charles Village are also hopping.  Federal
Hill is nice, but it's a little quieter.

I really can't wait to move back.
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Mary - 20 May 2005 17:21 GMT
> > Janet. I'm talking about the Baltimore outside the universities.
> > Highlandtown comes to mind. There is a huge
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>
> OMG, you cannot base Baltimore on Highlandtown!

No, but you sure cannot base it on Hopkins or Charles
Village either, which is what Janets first post suggested!
:) Granted, I was just doing the same thing in the other
direction, lol!

For those who don't know
> Highlandtown, rent the John Waters movie "Hairspray".  Hasn't changed that
> much since then.
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> co-worker to my house, but she wouldn't "drive in the city".  I lived 10
> minutes away!

You know what I am talking about. You definitely know what
I am talking about.

> Race relations were tense when I was a kid in school, it was a hard time for
> me.  Don't want to get into it, but I hope things have improved.

Me too. I saw a lot of misery on all sides. It broke my heart. It was
a great relief to move away from the Baltimore and DC area and see
how others were--let's just say the racism seems less ingrained and
less open elsewhere. Although those who say the most insidious form
is in the south because it is so veiled and polite have a good point.
(And no, Baltimore is NOT a southern city! I don't care where the
Mason Dixon line is! There are some eastern MD places that are
certainly sourthern, but not B-town!

> Baltimore has really grown and changed.  I don't think it's the same
> backwards town you remember.  I lived in Fells Point, which was a great
> arty/music scene.  Mt. Vernon and Charles Village are also hopping.  Federal
> Hill is nice, but it's a little quieter.
>
> I really can't wait to move back.

I have to say, Mt. Vernon was my favorite. When I was in school
in Baltimore I spent hours at the Peabody Library in the rare books.
Bet not many "Hollantaown" people do that! I loved how the music
drifted over from the conservatory, I loved the open-air jazz cafe
on the roof of one of the buildngs, and I remember a GREAT
restaurant but not the name of it, near that intersection. I have
heard people grumble that Mt. Vernon is now full of trannies
and other "weirdos." When I heard this, I thought, "Cool! Maybe
it's time to go back!"  :)

I have very charged feelings about Baltimore and DC. Which way
they go depends on the day, you know?
bigbadbarry - 20 May 2005 19:51 GMT
> I have very charged feelings about Baltimore and DC. Which way
> they go depends on the day, you know?

The reading room sounds very nice; a good place to find your center, or to
have a field day in the playground of your mind.

In Richmond, Maymont Park is a good place to get jaded. I'd go there to
practice my Svengali. Maymont Park has lots of warm grassy hillsides,
flowering trellises, hidden brooks, and lover's lips being kissed rain or
shine. My accomplice could not resist laughter or the springtime. The place
is so huge, you walk forever, you wind up hungry, hot, sweaty and bored (I
mean that in the good boredom way).

I never visited the Poe Museum because the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts was
right around the corner. You can spend three days in the VMFA and never see
it all, although they are lacking in art from the renaissance period (which
is my favorite). Ah! The solace we find in like tormented minds.

If you couldn't find me here, I was at the James River defying death,
leaping over swift currents from rock to rock. There is an old power plant
still standing down there, if you're brave you can go inside; it's really
neat because the river has grown around it and through it. Once I took a
date there, it was our first date. I don't know why, I never questioned
this, but we ended up in a huge mud fight. From the crown of our heads to
the soles of our feet we were caked in a grey clayish mud. I took her home
like this.it was 2 in the morning, we sneaked ourselves in, but her Dad was
standing at the top of the stairs glaring down at the two of us. There we
stood two creatures made of clay, snickering and scared to move because we
were drying out and coming apart on all sides except for our pompodores.
Mary - 19 May 2005 21:40 GMT
> > Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
> > there. It is a special place.
>
> You must know a different side of Richmond than I do.  I spent some
> time there because I had a lot of student friends living in the Fan
> ... ugh, what a miserable place.

To each her own. I really dislike much of the west, at least
for a place to live. As far as Colorado, Boulder was the only town I would
miss if they lifted the whole rock pile off of the planet. :O) Viva le
difference!
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 May 2005 23:06 GMT
>> > Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
>> > there. It is a special place.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> miss if they lifted the whole rock pile off of the planet. :O) Viva
> le difference!

I rather like Boulder =) Can't afford to live there, though, so we
have a house in Longmont, which I call (not exactly affectionately)
"Cowtown."

My experience with Richmond was certainly tainted by certain people
and situations to which I was exposed.

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Mary - 20 May 2005 01:00 GMT
> >> > Well I love Richmond. I go there quite often, as I have relatives
> >> > there. It is a special place.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> My experience with Richmond was certainly tainted by certain people
> and situations to which I was exposed.

Yep, same with Baltimore for me. It is also true that there are icky
people everywhere, and if that is all you met in a place, then that
is all you know. People aside, though I love the dramatic space
of the western states, I am most comfortable in the lush and green
midatlantic/southeastern states.
Noon Cat Nick - 19 May 2005 04:13 GMT
> > > A Poe fan!
> >
> > Cool, yeah, Ed is from my hometown (a very diverse place to grow up)
>
> I know he was in Richmond, but her was also in Baltimore for a while.
> I cannot recall where he was born. Was it Baltimore?

From http://www.online-literature.com/poe/:

"Edgar Allan Poe was born on January 19, 1809 in Boston, Massachusetts,
to parents who were itinerant actors. His father David Poe Jr. died
probably in 1810 and his mother Elizabeth Hopkins Poe in 1811. Edgar was
taken into the home of a Richmond merchant John Allan and brought up
partly in England (1815-20), where he attended Manor School at Stoke
Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his middle name."
bigbadbarry - 19 May 2005 04:22 GMT
> Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his middle name."

The Black Cat
1843

Pluto --this was the cat's name --was my favorite pet and playmate. I
alone fed him, and he attended me wherever I went about the house. It
was even with difficulty that I could prevent him from following me
through the streets.
bigbadbarry - 20 May 2005 04:51 GMT
> > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> middle name."
>
> The Black Cat
> 1843

This writing is sad. I read it again today, it's been a while.
I had forgotten. Great Day! Poor cat. Regardless of Mr Poes sickening
and worsening actions, he manages to never loose the sympathy of the
reader. What is sympathy but pity, a form of love.
sriddles@aol.com - 20 May 2005 05:50 GMT
> > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> and worsening actions, he manages to never loose the sympathy of the
> reader. What is sympathy but pity, a form of love.

Have you read the parody "The Raven as Told by Poe's Cat"? Since you're
a Poe fan, and a cat lover, I think you'd enjoy it.

Sherry
bigbadbarry - 20 May 2005 05:56 GMT
sridd...@aol.com wrote:

> > > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Sherry

That's tore up! lmao

this should have been a required study in high shcool
Mary - 20 May 2005 16:56 GMT
> > > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Have you read the parody "The Raven as Told by Poe's Cat"? Since you're
> a Poe fan, and a cat lover, I think you'd enjoy it.

I haven't! Got a link?
bigbadbarry - 20 May 2005 17:39 GMT
Here ya go, Im still laughing at The Raven by Poe's Cat

The Black Cat
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/blackcat.html
sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2005 03:07 GMT
> > > > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > > > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I haven't! Got a link?

http://www.mentalsoup.com/mentalsoup/catraven.htm
bigbadbarry - 21 May 2005 02:21 GMT
> > > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Sherry

what else you got
Mary - 20 May 2005 16:54 GMT
> > > Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his
> > middle name."
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> and worsening actions, he manages to never loose the sympathy of the
> reader. What is sympathy but pity, a form of love.

Hmm ...
Mary - 19 May 2005 06:23 GMT
> > > > A Poe fan!
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> partly in England (1815-20), where he attended Manor School at Stoke
> Newington. Never legally adopted, Poe took Allan's name for his middle name."

Thank you, Nick! But he did live in Baltimore, perhaps as a grown man.
bigbadbarry - 19 May 2005 06:48 GMT
> Thank you, Nick! But he did live in Baltimore, perhaps as a grown man.

Yeah, this is where he got his feet wet in writing for a magazine.
Mary - 19 May 2005 16:37 GMT
> > Thank you, Nick! But he did live in Baltimore, perhaps as a grown
> man.
>
> Yeah, this is where he got his feet wet in writing for a magazine.

And his grave was originally there, because there is a story about H. L.
Mencken and others making pilgrimages to pee on his grave after late night
drinking parties.
 
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