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KellyH - 17 May 2005 20:55 GMT
We have a cat at the shelter, a 1-2 year old calico named Blossom, who was
adopted a few months ago and returned for not being very friendly.  I met
her before and she just has that "calico" personality.  She's not wild about
other cats, does things on her own terms.  The people that adopted her also
had her declawed (a.sholes!).
The cats has been back with us for 3 days, and has bitten two volunteers in
this time.  She is really not happy about being in the shelter and does not
like having the other cats around.  I don't know the exact circumstances of
what the volunteers were doing when they got bit, but they are both pretty
cat savvy, I don't think they were doing anything stupid.  One volunteer is
in the hospital from the bite.  All this does not bode well for Blossom.  We
have to keep her for the next 10 days for a bite hold.  She is out in the
animal control kennel for now.  Right now, it is looking like she will be
put down at the end of the 10 days.  Our shelter is not no-kill, but we do
everything to avoid it.  The person in charge of the cat program does not
euthanize lightly, but is getting pressure to not have ill-tempered cats in
the system (they are dangerous to the volunteers, etc).
I have 10 days to save Blossom.  I really don't know what to do.  Because
she is declawed, she cannot go to a barn placement.  Our last bitey cat was
almost put down, but a mouser position opened up for him and he was spared.
I am supposed to be keeping my stess level at a minimum.  If my blood
pressure goes up, I could wind up in the hospital.  I really don't want to
deal with this, but I feel like it's my duty to do something.  OTOH, I am
getting really burned out by sheltering and am almost ready to be one of
those people who just donates money and doesn't deal with it on a day-to-day
basis.
I really can't take Blossom into my house for a long period of time.  I have
way too much going on right now and 7 cats of my own. I know someone's going
to scream at me to get the cat out and keep her.  I have no where to put her
except the bathroom.
Any ideas?  Anyone at a no-kill shelter with a possible opening?  Anyone
looking for a calico with an attitude?

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Janet B - 17 May 2005 21:09 GMT
>Anyone
>looking for a calico with an attitude?

An attitude is one thing, biting seriously enough to hospitalize is
quite another.  Sometimes, there is only one choice.

Millions of animals have no homes.  Resources are limited everywhere
and are best used to try to find homes for the ones who DON'T bite
people.    If an individual has a way to save an animal, that's great,
but there just aren't enough homes for biting, peeing, etc cats or
dogs.  Breaks my heart ever day, but the safety of people is always a
concern as well.

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Rhonda - 18 May 2005 04:11 GMT
I don't think it takes too much of a cat bite to put someone in the
hospital. They are blessed with so much bacteria in their mouths that
one tooth puncture is sometimes all it takes. I know a vet tech that was
hospitalized with a bite from the vet's own cat! It got infected pretty
quickly.

This calico case makes me mad. If she was aloof before, declawing her
probably pushed her over the edge. Nothing like losing the claws to
become a biter.

I hope someone comes up with a solution for this one.

Rhonda

> An attitude is one thing, biting seriously enough to hospitalize is
> quite another.  Sometimes, there is only one choice.
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> dogs.  Breaks my heart ever day, but the safety of people is always a
> concern as well.
kaeli - 17 May 2005 21:40 GMT
> The cats has been back with us for 3 days, and has bitten two volunteers in
> this time.  She is really not happy about being in the shelter and does not
> like having the other cats around.  I don't know the exact circumstances of
> what the volunteers were doing when they got bit, but they are both pretty
> cat savvy, I don't think they were doing anything stupid.  One volunteer is
> in the hospital from the bite.  All this does not bode well for Blossom.  

It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
How would you feel if she was adopted out to someone and ended up biting a
child in the face? Since she bit cat-saavy people, how might the ordinary
person get on with her?

I'm afraid there's a reason why most shelters (even "no-kill") euthanize a
cat that bites anyone under any circumstances.
It is irresponsible to rehome her to any average person or family. She's
unpredictable and could be a tragedy waiting to happen. Which leaves only the
truly experienced people, who are often already overloaded with rescues.
I wish you the best of luck with Blossom, but try to not blame yourself or
feel guilty if she ends up PTS. It's always sad, especially for those of us
who love cats, even if they do bite (I have a little torbie b!tch, myself).
But sometimes it's for the best.

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KellyH - 18 May 2005 00:06 GMT
> It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
> And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
> How would you feel if she was adopted out to someone and ended up biting a
> child in the face? Since she bit cat-saavy people, how might the ordinary
> person get on with her?

I would not adopt her to a family with small kids.  I believe she bit
because she was under stress.  She had been hissing and growling when she
sees other cats.  I'm trying to find out exactly what happened when the
volunteers were bit.

> I'm afraid there's a reason why most shelters (even "no-kill") euthanize a
> cat that bites anyone under any circumstances.
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> myself).
> But sometimes it's for the best.

I just don't feel the behavior over the past couple days is truly Blossom's
personality.  She was not like this when she was at the shelter before the
adoption.  I would like to see how she does in a home situation before
making a final judgment on her behavior.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 00:56 GMT
> I just don't feel the behavior over the past couple days is truly Blossom's
> personality.  She was not like this when she was at the shelter before the
> adoption.  I would like to see how she does in a home situation before
> making a final judgment on her behavior.

In the event it is decided she will not make a good house cat, I wish you
had a southern contact that could arrange for cats like her to be barn cats.
It is, I assume, too cold where you are to have a regular barn cat program?
One of the local shelters I support here routinely  rehomes neutered ferals
to local
farms where they are fed, vetted, and sheltered in the barns and other
outbuildings.
KellyH - 18 May 2005 01:41 GMT
> In the event it is decided she will not make a good house cat, I wish you
> had a southern contact that could arrange for cats like her to be barn
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> farms where they are fed, vetted, and sheltered in the barns and other
> outbuildings.

She's declawed.  The a.sholes that adopted her did this.  So, a barn
placement is out of the question unless it's some type of indoor-only
situation.
We do have a small barn program.  The weather becomes a factor when it's
cold out.  We can't place a cat coming from an indoor home into a barn
because it hasn't had a chance to grow a winter coat.  So, really we only
place barn cats in the summer/early fall.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 03:19 GMT
> > In the event it is decided she will not make a good house cat, I wish you
> > had a southern contact that could arrange for cats like her to be barn
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>
> She's declawed.  The a.sholes that adopted her did this.

That is so horrible. To do it at ALL is horrible enough, but then
to not keep the cat one has rendered mutilated.

>So, a barn
> placement is out of the question unless it's some type of indoor-only
> situation.

Hmm. Now this is an idea as there are large horse operations that
need vermin control. However, making sure that Blossom never got
out would be impossible. How very sad.

> We do have a small barn program.  The weather becomes a factor when it's
> cold out.  We can't place a cat coming from an indoor home into a barn
> because it hasn't had a chance to grow a winter coat.  So, really we only
> place barn cats in the summer/early fall.

I see. I imagine barns in all areas are warm enough for cats, since other
animals live there. I wish I had an idea for you, to help blossom.
Wendy - 18 May 2005 01:24 GMT
> > It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
> > And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
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> adoption.  I would like to see how she does in a home situation before
> making a final judgment on her behavior.

She didn't bite before she was adopted and declawed. I wonder how much THAT
has to do with it. It's a shame people can't be forced to live with the
problems they create without the cat suffering too.

W
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 01:37 GMT
> She didn't bite before she was adopted and declawed. I wonder how much THAT
> has to do with it. It's a shame people can't be forced to live with the
> problems they create without the cat suffering too.
>
> W

I just don't understand people, who ever thought that up? declawing.

It makes me *shiver* to think of it.

My mind does not work like that, I can't understand how someone would
consider this a solution.
Mary - 18 May 2005 03:11 GMT
> > She didn't bite before she was adopted and declawed. I wonder how
> much THAT
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> My mind does not work like that, I can't understand how someone would
> consider this a solution.

I did it when I was in my late teens, and I can tell you the main reason
why. I thought it was like clipping claws. I had no idea it was major
surgery and mutilation. My cat Gnarly was a crazy and beautiful cat. I was
clueless about training her and very busy, young and stupid. She bit just
for fun and to the bone, and clawed everything including me. She was
volatile and unpredticable--had been a pregnant stray when I adopted her and
I think people had abused her.

When I saw what the vet had done to her beautiful front feet I cannot
describe how I felt--except, like a Nazi. It was the worst thing I have ever
done in my life, and I would never do it again. I did at least keep her her
whole life and keep her inside and safe--no consolation for the mutilation,
though.

Vets in some places just make it seem like no big deal. I really had no
idea, and I thought it was a common practice.
Wendy - 18 May 2005 11:50 GMT
> > > She didn't bite before she was adopted and declawed. I wonder how
> > much THAT
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> Vets in some places just make it seem like no big deal. I really had no
> idea, and I thought it was a common practice.

There are many people who know exactly what they are doing to the cat and do
it anyway. And then when they ask where is the CHEAPEST place to get it done
I'm about to go ballistic.
Mary - 18 May 2005 17:48 GMT
> > > > She didn't bite before she was adopted and declawed. I wonder how
> > > much THAT
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> it anyway. And then when they ask where is the CHEAPEST place to get it done
> I'm about to go ballistic.

I know. Carl, the guy who came in here and announced that he had his three
beautiful
kittens all declawed and spayed at the same time, knew exactly what he was
doing, and why: for the sake of the upholstered walls he had just put in his
house. And to make his wife happy. And demanded not to hear anything
negative about what he had done. I could not comply.
MaryL - 18 May 2005 18:34 GMT
> There are many people who know exactly what they are doing to the cat and
> do
> it anyway. And then when they ask where is the CHEAPEST place to get it
> done
> I'm about to go ballistic.

That is what happened to my beautiful Amber (RB).  She was two years old
when I adopted her, and *all four paws* had been declawed.  She was truly a
little angel -- one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever seen.  These
same people permitted their 13-month-old toddler to haul her around by the
tail (it's a marvel that she never lashed out and bit him), and they
couldn't understand why she was so frightened of people.  They were
expecting a second child and had decided that it would now be impossible to
live in their mobile home with a cat and two children -- so they either had
to find someone to adopt the cat (at that time named "Puffy") or they were
going to put her outdoors, even with no claws.  I adopted her, changed her
name to Amber, and she soon became my little sweetheart.  She lost all fear
of other people.  Just as described by Wendy, these people had selected the
cheapest vet to do the dirty work.  Her poor little paws were mutilated.
She compensated very well for the loss of her claws, but she never did have
the same type of balance and agility that all my other cats have had.  She
did not develop the behavioral problems that often accompanies the loss of
claws, but she did develop arthritis in her paws and that led to urinating
outside the litter box, starting at age 13 -- not behavioral in her case, I
think, but a simple matter that it was painful to move litter around.  I
bought the softest litter I could find, and that helped for awhile; but she
eventually urinated outside the litter box at least as often as within it.
For awhile, I tried to cover the areas she was using, but I finally decided
that it would be better just to let her use one spot and clean it as best I
could.  I'm happy I did that (despite the obvious unpleasant nature of it)
because she was simply trying to avoid the discomfort that her original
"owners" caused.  She lived to be age 16, and I believe she was happy for at
least 14 of those years (the years we had together).

MaryL
kaeli - 18 May 2005 14:17 GMT
> I would not adopt her to a family with small kids.  I believe she bit
> because she was under stress.  She had been hissing and growling when she
> sees other cats.  I'm trying to find out exactly what happened when the
> volunteers were bit.

Could the previous family have been harsh with her and made her more wary of
people?
Cats are stressed frequently, depending on personality. Vet visits, grooming,
teeth brushing, pilling when necessary, nail clipping, and so on. If the cat
bites any time she's stressed, she isn't safe for any family, kids or not.

But I do agree that sometimes the cat's personality is totally different in a
home where they feel safe than in a shelter where they feel stressed ALL the
time.
You seem to know this cat, so I'll trust your judgement.

> I just don't feel the behavior over the past couple days is truly Blossom's
> personality.  She was not like this when she was at the shelter before the
> adoption.  I would like to see how she does in a home situation before
> making a final judgment on her behavior.

Are there any rescues in your area that do fostering?
Maybe they could help.

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bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 00:15 GMT
> > The cats has been back with us for 3 days, and has bitten two volunteers in
> > this time.  She is really not happy about being in the shelter and does not
> --
> ~kaeli~

I wish I could take her, once established, cats like her make good
pets.

You never know, maybe someone will step in, I hope so.
Mary - 18 May 2005 00:59 GMT
> > In article <ReadnXrHQ5HX0RffRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
> Kelly@farringtonsNOSPAM.net
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>
> You never know, maybe someone will step in, I hope so.

Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in the
farming/horse circles, so I could hook up the rescuers from the colder
states with contacts with folks down here who want barn cats. Of course,
it would be hard to monitor the cats once they were placed.
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 01:20 GMT
> Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in the
> farming/horse circles, so I could hook up the rescuers from the colder
> states with contacts with folks down here who want barn cats. Of course,
> it would be hard to monitor the cats once they were placed.

Where's a collector when you need one
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I never thought of that, what an eggsellent idea :*

I guess it would take a few phone calls; but seems like an offer no-one
could refuse. I mean, can you really have too many cats on the farm.
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 01:22 GMT
> > Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in the
> > farming/horse circles, so I could hook up the rescuers from the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I never thought of that, what an eggsellent idea :*

you know Im talking about a barn placement right...hehe
Mary - 18 May 2005 03:06 GMT
> > > Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in
> the
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>
> you know Im talking about a barn placement right...hehe

I did. I miss a lot but I catch some too, lol!
blueberries79 - 18 May 2005 01:38 GMT
Actually, sometimes you can get too many... if you start getting a large
population of farm cats (especially ones that are not very tame so you
cannot catch them to vaccinate) they tend to get sick.  I don't know what
the correlation is, but on our farm we always did well with 6 or so, but if
it got past 10, they would start getting eye disease and other problems and
start dieing off.  Maybe we just had bad luck though, I don't know.  Right
now I know my family has about 5... one of them is best friends with our
English Shepard and they play/sleep together.  Very cute!!

> > Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in the
> > farming/horse circles, so I could hook up the rescuers from the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I guess it would take a few phone calls; but seems like an offer no-one
> could refuse. I mean, can you really have too many cats on the farm.
Mary - 18 May 2005 03:16 GMT
> Actually, sometimes you can get too many... if you start getting a large
> population of farm cats (especially ones that are not very tame so you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> now I know my family has about 5... one of them is best friends with our
> English Shepard and they play/sleep together.  Very cute!!

Good vet care is essential. And of course most barn cats traditionally
have not been neutered and that is a very bad idea.
Mary - 18 May 2005 03:06 GMT
> > Your climate is okay for barn cats. I wish I had more contacts in the
> > farming/horse circles, so I could hook up the rescuers from the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Where's a collector when you need one
> --

Barry, the cat is DECLAWED. How can you be so IGNORANT?

(kidding ....)

> I never thought of that, what an eggsellent idea :*
>
> I guess it would take a few phone calls; but seems like an offer no-one
> could refuse. I mean, can you really have too many cats on the farm.

Yep, as long as they are fixed. I could use some barn cats (or at least
indoor/outdoor) if I did not live on a busy street. I have tons of mice
and voles that mess with the gardens.
-L. - 18 May 2005 07:24 GMT
> It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
> And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
> How would you feel if she was adopted out to someone and ended up biting a
> child in the face?

If a child gets bitten by an animal, it is the fault of the parents,
period.  I just hate the "blame the animal" mentality.  Children should
never be left unsupervised with an animal, ever.

-L.
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 07:40 GMT
> > It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
> > And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
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>
> -L.

get in the bed
Mary - 18 May 2005 17:41 GMT
> > > It doesn't bode well for anyone who might adopt her, either.
> > > And since you know she bites, it opens up the shelter to a lawsuit.
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>
> get in the bed

It was only 11:30 where she lives. All the other humorless harridans were
still up watching taped soaps.
Charlie Wilkes - 17 May 2005 22:54 GMT
>I have 10 days to save Blossom.  I really don't know what to do.  Because
>she is declawed, she cannot go to a barn placement.  Our last bitey cat was
>almost put down, but a mouser position opened up for him and he was spared.
>I am supposed to be keeping my stess level at a minimum.  If my blood
>pressure goes up, I could wind up in the hospital.

Good Lord.  It's not your responsibility to save a vicious animal no
one wants.

What part of the country are you in?

Charlie
KellyH - 18 May 2005 00:08 GMT
> Good Lord.  It's not your responsibility to save a vicious animal no
> one wants.

I really don't think she's vicious.  She was not like this before.

> What part of the country are you in?

New England, MA/NH border.

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Mary - 18 May 2005 00:50 GMT
> >I have 10 days to save Blossom.  I really don't know what to do.  Because
> >she is declawed, she cannot go to a barn placement.  Our last bitey cat was
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>
> What part of the country are you in?

Hey, what if we could raise funds to ship her up there it you?
Don't you have ferals you feed?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 18 May 2005 01:20 GMT
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>Hey, what if we could raise funds to ship
>her up there it you? Don't you have ferals
>you feed?

Ignorance and stupidity are definitely your strong suits. The cat is
declawed. Maybe you should actually *read* the post before you respond.
Putting this poor cat outside to fend for itself in a feral colony, and
one where there are obviously predators (lynx for one) is the ultimate
cruelty.

Megan

                                   
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Mary - 18 May 2005 03:04 GMT
> marys@catlover.com wrote:
> >Hey, what if we could raise funds to ship
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> Ignorance and stupidity are definitely your strong suits. The cat is
> declawed.

Well I missed that, Megan you ignorant slut. :)
Diane - 18 May 2005 01:14 GMT
> It's not your responsibility to save a vicious animal no
> one wants.

I saved one, and he's turned into a pretty decent cat (with some
remaining moments, but oh, well).

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kaeli - 18 May 2005 14:22 GMT
> >I have 10 days to save Blossom.  I really don't know what to do.  Because
> >she is declawed, she cannot go to a barn placement.  Our last bitey cat was
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> Good Lord.  It's not your responsibility to save a vicious animal no
> one wants.

See, that's the debatable part.
Seems she isn't vicious, just really wary and scared. And to make matters
worse, the a.sholes declawed her, so she can't go to barn or an outdoor home.

My Rowan would be the same way if she were suddenly thrown into a shelter.
She bites when she's scared or pissed. She doesn't bite ME hard (she loves
me, she really loves me LOL), but she sure does bite other people. She thinks
the vet tastes grrrrrreat!
And she's my favorite cat, even if she is a bitch sometimes. *heh*

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Christine Burel - 18 May 2005 00:08 GMT
I can think of many reasons why the kitty would have bitten someone -- being
scared or overstimulated from the shelter being one; stress from having been
recently declawed being another possibility.  I've volunteered at the local
humane society shelter and it is very, very stressful for some of the
animals, especially if a lot of people come through looking at them. We've
had shelter workers who also got bit by an animal that got overstimmed.
Also, cat bites are known for being easily infected because of the type of
bacteria in their mouths and the type of wound their bites produce, i.e.,
deep punctures, so I'm not surprised that the person may in the hospital.  I
know this because I worked with (and successfully rehabilitated) a feral who
was scared, bit me and I got an infection that needed strong meds and
several urgent care visits, too. But I  luckily received help from someone
experienced in socializing ferals; learned how to work with him, and he's
now a sweet housecat.

Kelly, have you talked to any other rescue groups yet?  Maybe you could see
if someone would be willing to foster her if you could help (if this is at
all possible) pay for her to stay with them for awhile.  Or see if a vet
would be willing to let you board her at a reduced rate while you try to
work out some solution; that at least could buy you some time.
I think the key here would be to find someone who is willing to temporarily
foster her so that Blossom can get socialized so then she could be placed in
a better situation.

Maybe others can help out with more ideas.
Purrs from us for your kind and caring heart.
Christine and Omar, Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker

> We have a cat at the shelter, a 1-2 year old calico named Blossom, who was
> adopted a few months ago and returned for not being very friendly.  I met
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> Any ideas?  Anyone at a no-kill shelter with a possible opening?  Anyone
> looking for a calico with an attitude?
KellyH - 18 May 2005 00:16 GMT
>I can think of many reasons why the kitty would have bitten someone --  
>being
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> experienced in socializing ferals; learned how to work with him, and he's
> now a sweet housecat.

Thank you, I'm glad you understand.  A cat bite doesn't necessarily have to
be vicious in order for someone to end up in the hospital.  Could be that
she didn't get it washed out right away, where the bite wound happened, etc.
I really think Blossom bit because she was stressed and possibly redirected
agression due to the other cats.

> Kelly, have you talked to any other rescue groups yet?  Maybe you could
> see
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> in
> a better situation.

I'm talking to a couple other volunteers right now to see what we can do, if
anyone can foster her.  I do think a foster home would be the best scenario.

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Catnipped - 18 May 2005 00:50 GMT
> Thank you, I'm glad you understand.  A cat bite doesn't necessarily have to
> be vicious in order for someone to end up in the hospital.  Could be that
> she didn't get it washed out right away, where the bite wound happened, etc.
> I really think Blossom bit because she was stressed and possibly redirected
> agression due to the other cats.

Yeah, when you get bitten by a cat (believe me, I know about this - Bandit
is a biter), you have to do things that are sort of counter-intuitive to
what you would normally do to take care of a wound.  When Bandit was getting
her stitiches out she bit me on my finger directly into the first knuckle
joint.  Having had lots of experience in this I knew to "bleed" the wound
for as long as I could rather than trying to stop the bleeding.  I also
called the doctor as soon as I got home and got a course of antibiotics
before the wound could get a chance to get infected (it was a dangerous
spot, bing deep into the knuckle).  Then I went the next day and got a
tetanus shot since it had been 10 years since my last one.  Having done all
that, I avoided any serious complications, but most people wouldn't know to
do all that.

> I'm talking to a couple other volunteers right now to see what we can do, if
> anyone can foster her.  I do think a foster home would be the best scenario.

I hope she finds a home, but working at a rescue you must know that even
cats with no problems don't always make it through the system alive - don't
stress yourself out over this, remember that you and the babies you're
carrying must come first in your concerns.

Hugs,

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KellyH - 18 May 2005 00:44 GMT
I found out that Blossom did bite in the home, twice, post-declaw.  One was
without warning on the leg.
As for the bites in the shelter, one occurred when other cats were in the
room and a loud noise startled her.  The other happened when she was rubbing
up against the cage, looking for attention, and the volunteer pet her.  No
other cats around and no warning.  That instance is not good for her future.

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 18 May 2005 01:31 GMT
>As for the bites in the shelter, one
>occurred when other cats were in the
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>and the volunteer pet her. No other cats
>around and no warning.

I wouldn't base any decisions on these two incidents. Even the rubbing
and seemingly nice behavior does not mean that the reaction wasn't
stress related. The biting that happened in its previous home could also
very well be pain related. I think this cat has been severely
traumatized and needs some time. We also don't know how the bastards
that declawed her reacted when she bit. They may have hurt her in
retaliation and as a result she has more stress and trust issues on top
of everything else. It might be worthwhile to try some pain meds for a
little while to see if that makes a difference. As with any amputee, it
is possible that cats can also experience phantom pain and this could be
another aspect of this problem. I don't think this is hopeless by any
means, but I think this poor kitty needs to get out of the shelter, into
a quiet home, and given some time before any decisions are made. I hope
you can find a compassionate volunteer that will help her get through
this.

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KellyH - 18 May 2005 03:22 GMT
> I wouldn't base any decisions on these two incidents. Even the rubbing
> and seemingly nice behavior does not mean that the reaction wasn't
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> you can find a compassionate volunteer that will help her get through
> this.

I'm working on it.  The emails are flying tonight.  I'll keep you posted.
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Rhonda - 18 May 2005 04:18 GMT
You go, girl!

Rhonda

> I'm working on it.  The emails are flying tonight.  I'll keep you posted.
-L. - 18 May 2005 07:22 GMT
> I found out that Blossom did bite in the home, twice, post-declaw.  One was
> without warning on the leg.
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> --
> -Kelly

Coukld the volunteer bite have been overstimulation?

Let us know what happens.

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kaeli - 18 May 2005 14:28 GMT
> I found out that Blossom did bite in the home, twice, post-declaw.  One was
> without warning on the leg.
> As for the bites in the shelter, one occurred when other cats were in the
> room and a loud noise startled her.  The other happened when she was rubbing
> up against the cage, looking for attention, and the volunteer pet her.  No
> other cats around and no warning.  That instance is not good for her future.

Oh, I didn't see this before I posted my other replies.

FWIW, it seems she became a biter post-declaw.
I saw posts asking about possible pain -- I agree with that. Pain meds and an
x-ray on her feet to rule out botched surgery might be a good idea. All it
takes it one misstep during the declaw to cause pain for life if it isn't
taken care of.
And I agree that she quite possibly now has trust issues with people. All it
takes is one traumatic event for an animal to develop serious trust issues. A
declaw followed by someone not being nice to her would do it.

I do hope for the best for Blossom. My inner cynic fears the worst, but I
hope it is proven wrong again.

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Cheryl - 18 May 2005 02:17 GMT
> I really can't take Blossom into my house for a long period of
> time.  I have way too much going on right now and 7 cats of my
> own. I know someone's going to scream at me to get the cat out
> and keep her.  I have no where to put her except the bathroom.
> Any ideas?  Anyone at a no-kill shelter with a possible opening?
>  Anyone looking for a calico with an attitude?

Kelly, I feel for you, and Blossom. She's had it rough lately, and
who knows what before this? As for the biting, I read the
circumstances of it in a later post in this thread, but even the
most experienced get bitten and wind up in the hospital. Cat bites
are deadly! Shamrock's dermatologist told me that she wound up in
the hospital from a cat bite.

I wouldn't normally say to drug the kitty, but sometimes its the
only way to settle them down until behavior modification can take
place. Little Shamrock is on Clomicalm for nearly 2 months now and
the change in him is just amazing. At first he seemed out of it. He
had to get used to the drug, and I had to tweak the dose
prescribed, and now that we've found a dose that's effective yet
doesn't make him seem comatose, he is still the same kitty, but
calmer. He still has moments where he chases Bonnie or attacks me,
but it's so much less intense now. Bonnie no longer hides under my
bed for hours with him in sentry.

I wish I knew what to tell you. I just hope that a fosterer can
step up and give Blossom the life she deserves. You're so great to
do what you do, and yes, the stress isn't good for you right now.
Please take care of yourself.

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KellyH - 18 May 2005 03:24 GMT
> Kelly, I feel for you, and Blossom. She's had it rough lately, and
> who knows what before this? As for the biting, I read the
> circumstances of it in a later post in this thread, but even the
> most experienced get bitten and wind up in the hospital. Cat bites
> are deadly! Shamrock's dermatologist told me that she wound up in
> the hospital from a cat bite.

I know, it just looks bad.  Someone arguing for putting her down will say
"but the cat put <name> in the hospital!"

> I wouldn't normally say to drug the kitty, but sometimes its the
> only way to settle them down until behavior modification can take
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> but it's so much less intense now. Bonnie no longer hides under my
> bed for hours with him in sentry.

I have brought up drugs as a possibility.  I think it might help her
readjust to being around people and being touched.

> I wish I knew what to tell you. I just hope that a fosterer can
> step up and give Blossom the life she deserves. You're so great to
> do what you do, and yes, the stress isn't good for you right now.
> Please take care of yourself.

I am working with a couple people in the shelter to help find an
alternative.  I'll let you know how it goes.

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Cheryl - 18 May 2005 03:41 GMT
> I am working with a couple people in the shelter to help find an
> alternative.  I'll let you know how it goes.

I wish you so much luck and love.

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