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I cant find the kittens!!!!!  HELP!!!!!

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Mom'O3 - 17 May 2005 16:48 GMT
Im going to make this quick so that I can look again.

My Cat had her kittens this morning.  She is small, her backside showed
that she had definately given birth.

Shes not going to her kittens, not for the past 5 hours, not once.

I have torn my house apart!  Even the neighbors helped!  Trust me I
have looked everywhere.

What could be happening?

She was definately in the house all night.  I woke up to her sitting on
my bed.

Im frantic!  Please Help!

Thanks,
Marci
MaryL - 17 May 2005 17:16 GMT
> Im going to make this quick so that I can look again.
>
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> Thanks,
> Marci

Look for any little enclosed area, especially one that could be warn (such
as within the confines of a blanket).  Also look into any boxes -- and,
obviously, under objects such as beds.  Cats can "hole up" in remarkably
small spaces.

MaryL
MaryL - 17 May 2005 17:22 GMT
>> Im going to make this quick so that I can look again.
>>
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>
> MaryL

Also:  look in any dresser drawers that could have been open, even for a
short time.  My sister once reached around her bathroom door with dripping
hair, opened a drawer, reached in, and got a towel -- then left for work.
Fortunately, I was visiting and heard one of her cats crying.  I looked all
through the house and finally located it in the towel drawer!

MaryL
Mom'O3 - 17 May 2005 18:20 GMT
Thanks guys, Im still looking.  Shouldnt Kitty be near them?  Shes
hasnt left my side at all today, right now shes sitting on my foot!

My neighbor said something terrible!  She said if there was anything
wrong with the kittens the Mom may have eaten them!  Is this true?

Im frantic!

Going to look more.......
Mom'O3 - 17 May 2005 18:43 GMT
I FOUND THEM!
I FOUND THEM!
I FOUND THEM!

G-d bless you Mary!  I found them in a closed empty toy drawer.....the
top drawer was open though.  She must have called thru from the top.
Kitty is nursing them now.  It looks like 4.  I dont want to disturb
them right now.  I will post more in a bit.

Mary,

    Thank you so much for your reply!  I never would have thought to
check there.  And I think Kitty was having a hard time getting back to
them.  Maybe that was why she was following me around, she needed help!
I'll post more later today.  Let you know the count and all.

Sincerely,
Marci
Mary - 17 May 2005 18:47 GMT
> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
>
> G-d bless you Mary!

That's MaryL., just to clarify. I am so glad you found them!!

I found them in a closed empty toy drawer.....the
> top drawer was open though.  She must have called thru from the top.
> Kitty is nursing them now.  It looks like 4.  I dont want to disturb
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> them.  Maybe that was why she was following me around, she needed help!
> I'll post more later today.  Let you know the count and all.

I never would have thought of looking in a drawer. Yay! I want to see
pictures of them when you have any.
covenantprograms@yahoo.com - 17 May 2005 23:28 GMT
So glad you were able to get help here and find those kittens!  I've
been waiting (and praying) with my feline about-to-be mom.  I hope if
we have any trouble, there will be information and concerned people
here for us too!  I'm going to use the search engine to prepare myself.
I'll check back later and look for updates on Mom'03''s Kitty and her
litter. Hope you will too, MaryL.  Ruth
MaryL - 17 May 2005 18:48 GMT
>I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Sincerely,
> Marci

*WONDERFUL NEWS!!!*  Thanks so much for posting the update.

MaryL
Karen - 17 May 2005 18:56 GMT
Yeah!!!!

> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Sincerely,
> Marci
Priscilla H. Ballou - 17 May 2005 19:02 GMT
> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> them.  Maybe that was why she was following me around, she needed help!
> I'll post more later today.  Let you know the count and all.

Oh, thank goodness!

Priscilla
John Ross Mc Master - 17 May 2005 19:14 GMT
>I FOUND THEM!
>I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Sincerely,
>Marci

Answered prayer I guess! Its good to hear this wonderful news.
Mom'O3 - 17 May 2005 23:11 GMT
Thanks everyone!!!!!!!

Im going to go peek in on them.  The kittens are making a wierd PANTING
noise every few minutes.

Anyone know what that is?
Rhonda - 18 May 2005 04:02 GMT
Are they still panting? Do they seem cold at all?

Mom should be laying with the kittens all the time right now, hardly
leaving them at all for the first couple of days. They need her to help
them keep warm. Are they on warm bedding now -- a towel or blanket, with
room for mom?

If they are still making odd noises, you might want to call a vet, even
if you have to call an emergency vet to get their reading on it.

Good luck to all of you,

Rhonda

> Thanks everyone!!!!!!!
>
> Im going to go peek in on them.  The kittens are making a wierd PANTING
> noise every few minutes.
>
> Anyone know what that is?
kaeli - 17 May 2005 21:24 GMT
> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!

YES!

We're all glad to hear it.
And we want pics when you get them.  :)

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Mary - 17 May 2005 21:38 GMT
> > I FOUND THEM!
> > I FOUND THEM!
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> We're all glad to hear it.
> And we want pics when you get them.  :)

Cheryl says it is tacky to ask for pics. Can you believe it? But it
might only be when I do it. ;)
Cheryl - 18 May 2005 02:22 GMT
>> In article
>> <1116351808.212793.276300@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Cheryl says it is tacky to ask for pics. Can you believe it? But
> it might only be when I do it. ;)

Liar. I never said it was tacky. Just more of your *perceived*
meaning of one of my posts. Your mind just runs rampant at times,
doesn't it Mary. It must drive you nuts that it never stops trying
to figure out how to turn my words into something it didn't mean.

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bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 03:20 GMT
> Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> doesn't it Mary.

What did you mean by that
Mary - 18 May 2005 04:13 GMT
> > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> > doesn't it Mary.
>
> What did you mean by that

I think she means that unlike hers my brainwave
activity exceeds that of algae on a regular basis.
But I might be wrong.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 18 May 2005 18:02 GMT
> > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> > doesn't it Mary.
>
> What did you mean by that

Oh, for Pete's sake!  Do you have to turn *every* thread into one about Mary?

Priscilla
Mary - 18 May 2005 18:04 GMT
> > > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> > > doesn't it Mary.
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>
> Priscilla

Um, Priscilla, Cheryl brought me up. See up there? Where she, not Barry,
mentions my name? Or is that who you were talking to, even though you
replied to BARRY?
Cheryl - 19 May 2005 00:27 GMT
>> > What did you mean by that
>>
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> not Barry, mentions my name? Or is that who you were talking to,
> even though you replied to BARRY?

I don't know what's funnier - the fact that you say I *brought up*
your name when in fact I was replying directly *TO* you[1]  

or

The fact that it was a reply *to* you bringing up *my* name *yet
again* in a thread that *yet again* I wasn't even posting in.  You're
getting more patheticly obsessed every day.

[1]

On Tue 17 May 2005 04:38:03p, Mary wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
(news:428a6316$1_1@newsgate.x-privat.org):

>> We're all glad to hear it.
>> And we want pics when you get them.  :)
>
> Cheryl says it is tacky to ask for pics. Can you believe it? But
> it might only be when I do it. ;)

and I wrote:
Liar. I never said it was tacky. Just more of your *perceived*
meaning of one of my posts. Your mind just runs rampant at times,
doesn't it Mary. It must drive you nuts that it never stops trying
to figure out how to turn my words into something it didn't mean.

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Mary - 19 May 2005 00:45 GMT
> >> > What did you mean by that
> >>
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> I don't know what's funnier - the fact that you say I *brought up*
> your name when in fact I was replying directly *TO* you[1]

While I know nasty, bitter old women like you need to laugh, and
so of course I am happy to have brought that shred of sunshine into
your icky little life ... I was merely pointing out that Priscilla pounced
upon Barry for bringing up my name when it was you, not he, who
mentioned it.

> or
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> [1]

Oh, yes this is clearly true. I love your hip little script kiddie hacker
notation. [1] !! Suck Buzzard's dick lately?
Karen - 18 May 2005 23:48 GMT
>>> Your mind just runs rampant at times,
>>> doesn't it Mary.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Priscilla

Yes, she apparently does. I suggest the killfile. It's the only way to get
around her sh.t.
bigbadbarry - 18 May 2005 23:55 GMT
> > > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> > > doesn't it Mary.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Priscilla

Come on in! the water is fine...

That post was little more than a cat toy on a string
Cheryl - 19 May 2005 00:57 GMT
>> > > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
>> > > doesn't it Mary.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> That post was little more than a cat toy on a string

Ya think? You're quite the transparent little minion, aren't you.
:)

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Niel Humphreys - 19 May 2005 08:19 GMT
> >> > > Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> >> > > doesn't it Mary.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Ya think? You're quite the transparent little minion, aren't you.
> :)

FFA you two are like a couple of kids in a playeground who need your heads
banging together to knock a bit of sense into you both. Do you realise how
pathetic and childish your public bickering looks to everyone in there? Grow
up for heavens sake, we're here to discuss cats not how much you two hate
each other, that is blindingly obvious.

If you really feel the need to argue about every post each of you makes why
don't you take it to email? Or do you just want your little stages where you
can embarrass yourselves?
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Mom'O3 - 19 May 2005 16:05 GMT
Neil,

    I agree.  I needed help with the kittens, and everyone is being so
wonderful!  Then I get to the end of this thread and its very sad that
people are arguing like this.  But thanks to everyone for your help!!

Marci
Cheryl - 20 May 2005 00:42 GMT
> FFA you two are like a couple of kids in a playeground who need
> your heads banging together to knock a bit of sense into you
> both. Do you realise how pathetic and childish your public
> bickering looks to everyone in there?

Hello, do you read this group?  LOL Its nothing but a flamefest
and snide side comments from those who don't have the balls to
confront the person they have a problem with. Read the posts from
today in the bathroom cat thread. This is normal here. Its a
volatile group. Catty. It fits. :)

Grow up for heavens sake,
> we're here to discuss cats not how much you two hate each other,
> that is blindingly obvious.

Who? Badassbarry and me?  I don't even know him/her. If they want
to join in the flamefest I WILL stand up for myself. Trying to
ignore it hasn't changed anything in this group in two years. When
"Mary" starts twisting words on a screen until they barely
resemble the original encounter, and repeats ad nauseam, her
agenda is very clear. Especially to have her sycophant that I have
never even bothered to reply to other than the ONE time take
offense and start humping my posts, which if you were reading had
NOTHING to do with this little flamewar. That is the definition of
post humping. If a few posts of this type bother you so much,
don't read any of them. I'll post what I want.

> If you really feel the need to argue about every post each of
> you makes why don't you take it to email?

Uh, no. Wait, HELL no. I have no interest in carrying on with him
here OR in email. But I will write back if I want to. Depends on
the content. If its "blah blah ble blewey blewey ble bloo ble ble
ble? blee blee  Good luck and keep us posted,oh and blee blah blah
bleeeuueey we wee" I'll ignore it. Deal?  :)

Or do you just want
> your little stages where you can embarrass yourselves?

That's just how you see it. Don't try to project that on to me.

HAND.
HTH.

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kaeli - 18 May 2005 14:12 GMT
> > Cheryl says it is tacky to ask for pics. Can you believe it? But
> > it might only be when I do it. ;)

> Liar. I never said it was tacky. Just more of your *perceived*
> meaning of one of my posts. Your mind just runs rampant at times,
> doesn't it Mary. It must drive you nuts that it never stops trying
> to figure out how to turn my words into something it didn't mean.

The who the what now?

What did I miss?
*scratches head*

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Mary - 18 May 2005 17:51 GMT
> > > Cheryl says it is tacky to ask for pics. Can you believe it? But
> > > it might only be when I do it. ;)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> What did I miss?
> *scratches head*

No you didn't. We are not privy to the voices inside Cheryl's
grizzled head.
.oO rach Oo. - 18 May 2005 01:44 GMT
This is great news!! She was likely trying to ask you to help her and you
did! Well done! Keep us updated!

>I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Sincerely,
> Marci
Rhonda - 18 May 2005 03:57 GMT
Wow, close call! Way to go Mary L! Way to go Marci for being so persistent!

Rhonda

> I FOUND THEM!
> I FOUND THEM!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Sincerely,
> Marci
Niel Humphreys - 17 May 2005 18:43 GMT
> Thanks guys, Im still looking.  Shouldnt Kitty be near them?  Shes
> hasnt left my side at all today, right now shes sitting on my foot!
>
> My neighbor said something terrible!  She said if there was anything
> wrong with the kittens the Mom may have eaten them!  Is this true?

Yep, that's nature.
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Jennifer - 17 May 2005 18:44 GMT
> My neighbor said something terrible!  She said if there was anything
> wrong with the kittens the Mom may have eaten them!  Is this true?

I'm sorry to say that that was my first thought, but I didn't want to
say anything till you'd had more time to find them.  Yes, the mother
may have killed and eaten the kittens, but don't give up yet.

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Mary - 17 May 2005 18:48 GMT
> > My neighbor said something terrible!  She said if there was anything
> > wrong with the kittens the Mom may have eaten them!  Is this true?
>
> I'm sorry to say that that was my first thought, but I didn't want to
> say anything till you'd had more time to find them.  Yes, the mother
> may have killed and eaten the kittens, but don't give up yet.

Could they do this without leaving a sign?
Jennifer - 17 May 2005 18:58 GMT
> > Yes, the mother
> > may have killed and eaten the kittens, but don't give up yet.
> >
> Could they do this without leaving a sign?

If she couldn't find live kittens, imagine trying to find... well...
stuff that doesn't make noise, if you know what I mean. Not a pleasant
topic; glad she found the kittens, yay!

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Mary - 17 May 2005 21:43 GMT
> > > Yes, the mother
> > > may have killed and eaten the kittens, but don't give up yet.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> stuff that doesn't make noise, if you know what I mean. Not a pleasant
> topic; glad she found the kittens, yay!

Good point. *shiver*
Diane - 18 May 2005 01:05 GMT
> If she couldn't find live kittens, imagine trying to find... well...
> stuff that doesn't make noise, if you know what I mean.

Smell. :(

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Lesley - 18 May 2005 13:57 GMT
Could they do this without leaving a sign?

I bet they could- I am still mystified as to what happened to the fried
chicken- Dave got some and didn't like it so he threw it in the bin
and meant to take the rubbish out but of course, forgot. The next
morning the bin was overturned and we never did find any trace of the
chicken. And they're indoor cats......

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous (and fried chicken lovin') Furballs
Mary - 18 May 2005 17:50 GMT
> Could they do this without leaving a sign?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> morning the bin was overturned and we never did find any trace of the
> chicken. And they're indoor cats......

Ooo. Watch your back and don't let them get too big!
Lesley - 19 May 2005 10:45 GMT
"Ooo. Watch your back and don't let them get too big! "

They're thankfully not that big through Sarrasine was looking at me
this morning as if to say "I am not too sure about this new
catfood....I wonder what you taste like?!"

I am probably safe until she works out how to operate a can opener- she
is a criminal genius and if any cat could work it out....

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Mary - 19 May 2005 16:19 GMT
> "Ooo. Watch your back and don't let them get too big! "
>
> They're thankfully not that big through Sarrasine was looking at me
> this morning as if to say "I am not too sure about this new
> catfood....I wonder what you taste like?!"

Heh! My cat Gnarly used to love to take a taste of me
and sometimes visitors. What amazed me was the way she
did it. Not during play. Not while overstimulated or
being overtly aggravated by a human. She'd just saunter
up every now and then, calm as you please, and bite.
She walked up to a house guest who was sitting in the
kitchen with me having coffee, nonchalantly put her
paws on the chair and bit her on the fleshy back of her
upper arm. Drew blood!

> I am probably safe until she works out how to operate a can opener- she
> is a criminal genius and if any cat could work it out....

I have a soft spot for smart and feisty cats!
Lesley - 19 May 2005 16:35 GMT
have a soft spot for smart and feisty cats!

You'd love Sarrasine then. At 3 months old she worked out how to open a
bag of munchies and how to maximise the amount she could scoop out at
any time (Wash paw first) since then she's demonstrated how smart she
is on several occasions

And as for feisty! Her nickname is "Punk kitten". You can't tell her
off, she stands her ground. Redunzel at least if she's done something
she shouldn't runs for it, Sarrasine will stand there and glare as if
to say "Yeah I did it! So what?! You wanna make something of it?!"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
kaeli - 17 May 2005 18:40 GMT
> Im going to make this quick so that I can look again.
> My Cat had her kittens this morning.  She is small, her backside showed
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> my bed.
> Im frantic!  Please Help!

Some thoughts...

If she hasn't gone to them, it is possible they were stillborn or sickly. (is
this her first litter? what is her age? she may not know how to care for
kittens.)

Having strangers in the home will possibly prevent her going to them.
Instinctively, she may protect the location of her "den" and not want to
reveal it. If she smells your fear, same deal.

How can you be certain she didn't go out, if she had access? Are you 100%
sure she had no access?

Think like a momma cat. You looked everywhere *you* thought of. Get down to
her level and look around. Look UP and UNDER and IN. Her instinct might have
prompted her to hide them. Think safe and warm and hidden. To a CAT, not a
human.

Good luck.

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Philip - 17 May 2005 19:10 GMT
>> Im going to make this quick so that I can look again.
>> My Cat had her kittens this morning.  She is small, her backside
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> --

Gas stove or water heater?  At the very least, they have pilot lights,
providing warmth and some seclusion in the case of a stove.
 
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