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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005cats and crows
The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on campus (not daily, but often) but I do not know if the other cats are also fed. Recently, a number of crows have been found dead, and people are blaming the cats. These crows are quite large, and not eaten, just dead. It seems to me that if hungry stray cats were able to kill these large crows, they also would have eaten them. However, other staff members are insisting that the cats are at fault, and that they should be trapped and turned over to animal control (which will, without a doubt, euthanize them). I guess what I'm hoping is to hear that it would be very difficult for a cat to kill a crow. I need to save these cats, and passing on this kind of information is pretty much the only way I can help these cats (I should also mention that I'm in Japan, so no animal shelters, no humane society, nothing--I've already investigated possible options, and there is no organization out there who can take these cats). So, can cats kill crows easily? rona  Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We had people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to go back. We call them Canadians." ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 The dead crows should be tested for West Nile Virus! > The dead crows should be tested for West Nile Virus! No kidding. And why would wild cats kill them and leave them? And if these cats have been around a long while, why they suddenly be killing the crows. Sorry, but those things are about as big as a cat and why would they attack crows when there is surelyother easier prey around. Sounds like someone is just looking for a reason. > in article 1116325992.563430.261560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, > No kidding. And why would wild cats kill them and leave them? And if > these cats have been around a long while, why they suddenly be > killing the crows. Sorry, but those things are about as big as a cat > and why would they attack crows when there is surelyother easier prey > around. Sounds like someone is just looking for a reason. Oh, they most definitely are looking for a reason. They've been trying to get rid of these cats for a long time, but those who are interested in animal protection (there are so very few of them--this is Japan, after all) have managed to stave off the cat haters. I'm really worried that they'll use this now. As a non-Japanese, my clout here is almost nil. However, I'm hoping to convince some of the more rational people that the cats are not at fault. This could be a difficult battle! rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We had people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to go back. We call them Canadians." ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 > The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and > only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > rona I don't think the cats are killing those crows. Crows are hard to kill, not only because of their size, but they're very smart. I also don't think stray cats would just kill them for sport--the bodies would show some damage, and there would be feathers all over the place. Sounds like somebody just doesn't like the cats and they're playing the blame game. The real kicker is, who in the WORLD would want crows on a campus? They're nasty and will run off the songbirds. Sherry > I don't think the cats are killing those crows. Crows are hard to > kill, not only because of their size, but they're very smart. I also > don't think stray cats would just kill them for sport--the bodies > would show some damage, and there would be feathers all over the > place. Sounds like somebody just doesn't like the cats and they're > playing the blame game. Not just somebody, but many don't like the cats. I'll have to find out more about > The real kicker is, who in the WORLD would want crows on a campus? > They're nasty and will run off the songbirds. > > Sherry Crows are a huge problem, all over Japan. They are such a problem that every garbage area is covered by a net or some other form of protection. Of course, the nets are so light it's easy for the crows to learn to lift them up, but it's the thought that counts, I suppose. Our campus is a perfect habitat for crows--a lot of trees to nest in and which probably harbor (or used to) nests of other types of birds. You don't find many spots with a lot of trees in Japan. Our campus just happens to be one of them! rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We had people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to go back. We call them Canadians." ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 > The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and > only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > organization out there who can take these cats). So, can cats kill crows > easily? The crows I've seen could probably seriously injure a cat. They are big and aggressive and loud, not the kind of bird a cat generally picks on. And yes, of course they would have eaten them if they had killed them and they were hungry. The crows are predators of cats, not vice-versa. And dead crows should be waving a HUGE red flag in somebody's face about West Nile Virus, which is quite serious. Here in Maryland we actually have a task force in the health department that will come to pick up dead crows and test them. Cats are normally the way "plagues" are held in check. There is some serious theorizing that the reason the European plagues took off the way they did was because people killed the cats--they were superstitious then (gee, I think your coworkers are superstitious too!) and thought cats were the implements of witches and the devil. Thus vermin, and the plague, multiplied. If it were me I'd go whole hog to educate these ignoramuses, (a SCHOOL, you say?????) and also I'd immediately call the health department about the crows. > The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and > only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > rona You are describing the symptoms of West Nile Virus in the crows. Your local health department likely wants those crows for testing. Here is a Center for Disease Control (CDC) link to find out who to call: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/city_states.htm In a crow/cat fight, the crow will usually win by the by and if the cat did take one down, it would eat it. Mike > The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and > only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > back. We call them Canadians." > ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 > You are describing the symptoms of West Nile Virus in the crows. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/city_states.htm No CDC in Japan, but I'll find out if there is some other such agency. I just read that some crows up north have tested positive for the bird flu virus found in SE Asia. I'm going to mention that to them. Japanese love panic, so they might latch on to that theory rather than the poor cats. rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We had people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to go back. We call them Canadians." ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 > No CDC in Japan, but I'll find out if there is some other such > agency. I just read that some crows up north have tested > positive for the bird flu virus found in SE Asia. I'm going to > mention that to them. Japanese love panic, so they might latch > on to that theory rather than the poor cats. Rona, I hope it isn't the avian flu, but I hope they can be convinced it isn't the cats. That must be so frustrating! SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > You are describing the symptoms of West Nile Virus in the crows. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > rona Wow! Are you sitting at the start of a major infection? Will we hear about you in the news? Seriously..... Dead Crows are/can be a big indicator of major trouble. Mike > The school at which I work has a few cats on campus--none have owners and > only one that I know of has been TNRed. The TNR cat is fed by someone on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > organization out there who can take these cats). So, can cats kill crows > easily? In a battle between a cat and a crow, I'd bet on the crow! Is there West Nile virus in Japan? We lost some crows to it a few years ago. Even if it were the cats killing a few crows, someone needs to be reminded of how predators improve the overall quality of a population by culling out the old and infirm. Priscilla > In a battle between a cat and a crow, I'd bet on the crow! Is there > West Nile virus in Japan? We lost some crows to it a few years ago. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Priscilla No West Nile here, as of yet (or so they say). There was a woman whom they thought might have the virus (two years ago), but it was thought that she contracted in while visiting the Eastern US. One thing that really pisses me off...just last week it was mentioned that there were too many crows on campus and that students were complaining about them. The implication was that the crows would have to be killed. But now that the crows are dying, they're blaming the cats and want to get rid of them!!! This is one thing I just hate about Japan... rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We had people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to go back. We call them Canadians." ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004 |
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