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another question in anticipation of a new cat - declawing?

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catmidy - 14 Sep 2003 19:59 GMT
hi everyone. i'm planning on getting a cat and i've never had one
before. i just wanted to get some opinions on declawing. i've heard
both sides from my friends, but wanted to get some more ideas. also,
just wanted to let everyone know that i am excited to get involved in
this group and am happy to know that i can get good advice once i
actually have a cat.
      thanks,
          rachel
zuzu22@webtv.net - 14 Sep 2003 20:28 GMT
Rachel wrote:
>i just wanted to get some opinions on
>declawing.

Declawing is one of the cruelest things you can do to a cat. It involves
amputating the first joint of each toe (equivalent to removing the first
joint of each of your fingers) and handicaps the cat for life. It is
extremely painful and offers NO benefit to the cat. It is wrong to
mutilate a cat for *your* convenience, which is exactly what declawing
does. Cats need their claws for many reasons. Declawing is an
unnecessary mutilation, especially in light of the fact that any cat can
be easily trained to use a scratching post. It is banned or illegal in
most of the world and considered animal cruelty, which it is. For the
cost of a declaw, you can buy a floor to ceiling cat tree or a couple of
good tall scratching posts.

For a lot of info and photos of declawing surgery, check out my website
(link below.) There are many good articles there that will show you why
declawing should NEVER be done, how to choose appropriate items for your
cat to scratch and how to get your cat to use them.

Once you see the realities of declawing I can't imagine that you would
want to do it if you have a conscience and a clear sense of right and
wrong.

Megan

                                   
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Katra - 14 Sep 2003 22:11 GMT
> Rachel wrote:
> >i just wanted to get some opinions on
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> cost of a declaw, you can buy a floor to ceiling cat tree or a couple of
> good tall scratching posts.

That is actually a very good point. I have no problem with my furkids as
long as I provide them with the cardboard scratchers from Wal-mart. They
seem to prefer those. ;-)

We assembled the Catnex tower last night! The hardest part was the cats
trying to "help" by laying in it as we were trying to build. <G> This
thing is great!

http://www.felinefurniture.com/64fostsucath.html

I think the best thing about it is that it is expandable.  You can get
the pieces parts to add on to it over time, making it much more affordable.

Yeah, I am guilty of helping my sister declaw one cat but after coming
here, I'm not so sure I'd do it again! None of my own cats are declawed
except for one that was already that way when we got her from the pound.

K.

> For a lot of info and photos of declawing surgery, check out my website
> (link below.) There are many good articles there that will show you why
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>
> - W.H. Murray

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MacCandace - 14 Sep 2003 20:38 GMT
Rachel, almost everyone who reads this newsgroup is adamantly against
declawing.  It is mutilation.  Far more than the claws are removed.  Please see
this website:

<A HREF="http://community-2.webtv.net/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/">Declawing</A>

www.stopdeclaw.com

Declawing is illegal in most European countries and there is a reason why.

Candace
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MaryL - 14 Sep 2003 23:34 GMT
> hi everyone. i'm planning on getting a cat and i've never had one
> before. i just wanted to get some opinions on declawing. i've heard
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>        thanks,
>            rachel

Rachel, please do not even consider declawing.  That procedure involves
amputation of bone at the first joint of the cat's feet.  That would be
somewhat like amputating your fingers or toes at the first joint.  Cats that
have been declawed have a much greater rate of behavioral problems such as
biting and urinating outside the litter box (sometimes showing up a number
of years after the declaw and sometimes sooner).  The amputation prevents a
cat from walking in a normal fashion, and it often results in arthritis and
other problems.  Here are some web sites that provide additional
information:

http://www.stopdeclaw.com
http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/declaw.html
http://www.cara-adopt.org/declaw.html
http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawvettch.html

As I said, please do not even consider it!  Cats can easily be trained to
use a scratching post, and many of us would be happy to provide information
on how to do that.  I greatly appreciate the fact that you sought advice
from this group before you took any action.  Very often, friends who advise
someone to declaw have absolutely no experience of their own or they
automatically had a cat declawed simply because someone else told them "it
was the thing to do."
MaryL

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Luvskats00 - 15 Sep 2003 00:21 GMT
catmidy@hotmail.com writes

>..i'm planning on getting a cat and >i've never had one
>before. i just wanted to get some >opinions on declawing.

Asking for advice before adopting a kitty, shows you truly care and will be a
very caring guardian for your pet.  Here's a suggestion: adopt a cat who is
already declawed (as opposed to adopting one, then worrying about whether or
not to declaw. Personally, I would never declaw another cat.....having allowed
it done to one cat when i was 19..I didn't know any better.  Now, I know the
procedure.  There are plenty of declawed cats available for adoption, too!
Good luck.
Adam Helberg - 15 Sep 2003 06:03 GMT
> hi everyone. i'm planning on getting a cat and i've never had one
> before. i just wanted to get some opinions on declawing. i've heard
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>        thanks,
>            rachel

I'm also strongly against declawing.

Adam
Bill - 15 Sep 2003 17:14 GMT
>"catmidy" <catmidy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f14c015e.0309141059.308f289a@posting.google.com...
> hi everyone. i'm planning on getting a cat and i've never had one
> before. i just wanted to get some opinions on declawing. i've heard
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>        thanks,
>            rachel

You didn't say why you felt it was necessary to declaw a cat, so I'm
assuming it's because you don't want your furniture or drapes scratched.

First of all, not all cats want to scratch furniture.  One of my cats has
never done this, but he did like to scratch the carpet until I got him a
Turbo scratcher for horizontal scratching.  If you provide the cat with a
scratching post for vertical scratching and a scratching pad for horizontal
scratching, this is usually enough because they prefer scratching on them.
Kittens tend to be a bit worse than adult cats about scratching furniture
and climbing drapes until they get past the rambunctious stage.  There's
also a product called Soft Paws that basically encases the claw in a plastic
sheath.  It has to be redone periodically.

If you're worried about the cat scratching you, clip the cat's claws so the
sharp tips are blunted.  There's a special scissor-like tool you can buy at
the pet supply store for this.  Have someone show you how to do it.  There's
a blood vessel in a cat's claw, so you have to be careful to snip only the
tip.  It will cause bleeding and pain for the cat if you cut into the blood
vessel.

Declawing a cat really isn't necessary.  Among the problems that others have
pointed out, it can also change the cat's personality because it is the
equivalent of a person having the tips of all the fingers amputated.  Some
owners abandon the cat because the personality change is so severe.

If you must have a declawed cat, adopt one from a shelter that has already
been declawed or choose another kind of animal for a pet.

Bill
marty - 04 Oct 2003 16:03 GMT
It has been my personal finding that declawing cats is the biggest single
contributor to house soiling.

Martin

> hi everyone. i'm planning on getting a cat and i've never had one
> before. i just wanted to get some opinions on declawing. i've heard
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>        thanks,
>            rachel
Sherry - 04 Oct 2003 21:05 GMT
>It has been my personal finding that declawing cats is the biggest single
>contributor to house soiling.
>
>Martin

I know other people are going to start screaming ''anecdotal evidence--doesn't
mean a thing".....but I absolutely agree. Simply from observing cats who are
relinquished at the shelter for house soiling.

Sherry
-L. - 05 Oct 2003 09:00 GMT
> >It has been my personal finding that declawing cats is the biggest single
> >contributor to house soiling.
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> mean a thing".....but I absolutely agree. Simply from observing cats who are
> relinquished at the shelter for house soiling.

And biting, too.  Here's some real data to go with your anectdotes...

Cross sectional internet survey.   "19.6% cats in the study were
declawed. Complication rates after declawing were not reported.
Declawed cats showed more house soiling (25%)."
ref: Morgan M, Houpt KA. Feline behavior problems: the influence of
declawing. Anthrozoos 1989;3:50-53.

Case-control study of owned and relinquished cats involving a
random digit dial (phone) survey of cat owners. "Prevalence of
declawing was 45%(476/1056) in the owned cat population.   Among 218
cats relinquished to a shelter, more (52.4%) declawed cats than
non-declawed cats (29.1%) were reported by owners to have
inappropriate elimination".
ref: Patronek, GJ, Glickman LT, Beck AM, et al. Risk factors for
relinquishment of cats to an animal shelter. J Am Vet Med Assoc
1996;209:582-588.

Retrospective phone follow-up of clients. "39/98 owners whose cats
underwent elective onychectomy or tendonectomy were contacted two
months to five years (median 11.5 months) after surgery.  80% had more
than one medical complication.  33% developed at least one behavior
problem; 15.4% would not use the litter box and 17.9% had an increase
in biting habits or intensity".
ref: Yeon SC, Flanders JA, Scarlett JM, et al. Attitudes of owners
regarding tendonectomy and onychectomy in cats. J Am Vet Med Assoc
2001;218:43-47.

Enjoy!
-L.
Philip ? - 05 Oct 2003 16:14 GMT
> > > It has been my personal finding that declawing cats is the
> > > biggest single contributor to house soiling.
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> Enjoy!
> -L.

Wonder what would happen if a sample of menopausal women were
"declawed"?   Would they start biting people and having inappropriate
eliminations?
--

  ~~Philip

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 with your education - Mark Twain"
 
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