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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Attn: zuzu22@webtv.net
RE: Message ID <2363-42868E3F-148@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Your advice on trapping and neutering the tomcat is on the right track. It feels almost right. The one thing that bothers me is that the cat doesn't act feral. After a few days he let me pet him. He seems well fed and acclimatized to humans. Here's the question: How do I determine if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? I live in a dangerous ghetto full of grow ops and crack houses so I can't ask the neighbours or pamphlet the nearby homes with contact information. That would be unsafe. >Here's the question: How do I determine >if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >with contact information. That would be >unsafe. Don't bother. Here is my rule: If a cat is roaming free at all hours with no supervision, has no ID, and is not neutered he is fair game for trapping and neutering. Period. Someone that would allow a cat to be at risk like this in a neighborhood like you describe (which is not too far removed from the type of neighborhood I live in) where he is also very likely to be at risk for being taken and used as bait for fighting dogs does not deserve to have him. Please get him fixed up and find him a wonderful home. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Don't bother. Here is my rule: > If a cat is roaming free at all hours with no supervision, has no ID, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Megan ITA. This cat could also get into rat poison, get hit by a car, any number of awful things. Please get him off the streets immediately. Signature-Kelly On Sat 14 May 2005 10:25:35p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:5790-4286B31F-51@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net): >>Here's the question: How do I determine >>if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > - W.H. Murray > I totally agree. 2 years ago I trapped and had neutered several cats. One is my Bonnie (her anniversary is May 17 :)) and there were two others, well three, but I found out one was in fact owned and already neutered, but the other two were intact males. A friend of mine adopted both of them. I'll never know if they were pets of a neighbor, but they both lived in my yard and one of my other neighbors yard, and we fed them and cared for them. If they were "owned", they were "owned" poorly and they deserved better. One of them so badly wanted a home that he tore up all of the screens on the windows of my house that he could reach. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > I totally agree. 2 years ago I trapped and had neutered several > cats. One is my Bonnie (her anniversary is May 17 :)) and there [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > better. One of them so badly wanted a home that he tore up all > of the screens on the windows of my house that he could reach. I forgot to link this (the strays photo album) http://community.webshots.com/album/106187295IgNCBk SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > >Here's the question: How do I determine >>if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Agreed! If this cat is "owned," then it is owned like property -- not loved and cared-for. Please get the cat off the streets and either adopt it or find a great home. *Don't* look for an "owner" in a case like this. MaryL >> Here's the question: How do I determine >> if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Megan How about the both of you sprouting some balls of your own by calling the police to get you neighborhood cleaned up!!! Dude, there are plenty of balls around here where I live and they ain't on the cats. Type up "Crackstreet" on your browser and you can see how fast *we* are getting our neighborhood cleaned up. This is the city where the cop was gunned down from the back a week ago. You can even see maps of our 'hood at this website; the red lines are where the crack dealing is going on - open air. When you live in a place like this urban setting (no, its not a ghetto; historical bldgs. surround us; state capitol, Molly Brown's mansion, US Mint) then you can tell people to clean up their 'hood by calling the cops. ROFLMAO. >>> Here's the question: How do I determine >>> if the cat is owned or recently abandoned? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > How about the both of you sprouting some balls of your own by calling the > police to get you neighborhood cleaned up!!! > How about the both of you sprouting some balls of your own by calling the > police to get you neighborhood cleaned up!!! Like one just calls the police and says "Hey police! This neighborhood is full of drug dealers, do something!", and they come over, sweep out all the drugs and criminals, and we all live happily ever after. Guess you've never lived in an inner city area. Signature-Kelly Thank you very much (Elvis tone)....dude hit a very raw nerve here....I have only been living here (the year is almost up) to get lay of land in MileHigh and not buy a condo I'll regret later. Hope to be in better surroundings by winter's return (natives nontheless, I don't wanna move in snow, etc.) in 'burbs somewhere...but my furry dictators *still* will not go outside. As for our top-floor crows-nest here @ present, they happily watch the urban jungle below from almost-closed windows. >> How about the both of you sprouting some balls of your own by calling the >> police to get you neighborhood cleaned up!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the drugs and criminals, and we all live happily ever after. Guess you've > never lived in an inner city area. >> How about the both of you sprouting some balls of your own by >> calling the police to get you neighborhood cleaned up!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > over, sweep out all the drugs and criminals, and we all live happily > ever after. Guess you've never lived in an inner city area. It starts with phone calls to the police. You can also call the FBI and DEA. But to sit there and tolerate drug dealing is absurd. And you are correct, I have never nor will I ever live in an "inner city." If/when the drug problem is overwhelming and with signs of getting worse, MOVE. You'll get no sympathy from me. > It starts with phone calls to the police. You can also call the FBI and > DEA. But to sit there and tolerate drug dealing is absurd. And you are > correct, I have never nor will I ever live in an "inner city." If/when > the drug problem is overwhelming and with signs of getting worse, MOVE. > You'll get no sympathy from me. Well aren't you special. The police, FBI, or DEA (wtf are the FBI and DEA going to do? like they care about street-level drug dealers) can't do anything unless they catch the dealers in the act. They know exactly who the offenders are and where they are, it's not like they don't know the problem exists. Calling the police and saying there's drug dealing going on is pretty much useless, they already know. I lived in an area that was in the process of being revitalized. One block would be nice, the next crappy. We bought a 150 year old rowhouse for cheap and rehabbed it. My ex kept the house in the divorce, since he was more of a handyperson than I, and that house has tripled in value (at least, probably more by now) and is now in the middle of one of the hottest RE markets in the region. The drug dealers have been pushed out because with the yuppie invasion, their market has dried up. It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city again. Signature-Kelly >> It starts with phone calls to the police. You can also call the FBI >> and DEA. But to sit there and tolerate drug dealing is absurd. And [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there's drug dealing going on is pretty much useless, they already > know. See .... you're like too many other weaklings with low self esteem ... all too ready to talk yourself out of getting involved in cleaning up your own neighborhood. So wallow in it. > I lived in an area that was in the process of being revitalized. One > block would be nice, the next crappy. We bought a 150 year old [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > live in the city > again. Nothing like rising prices to push out the riff raff. :^) Nothing like a half million dollar price tag on a single family detached tract home built in the mid '50's to keep out the trash. :-) > See .... you're like too many other weaklings with low self esteem ... all > too ready to talk yourself out of getting involved in cleaning up your own > neighborhood. So wallow in it. No you idiot, I was involved in cleaning up my neighborhood. I didn't wait for the police to do it. I called the police when there was something to report, but not to waste their time. I kept putting flowers out in front of the house even when some a.shole kept stealing them. I went on trash patrol cleaning up all the crap people threw in the alleys. I put my money into a house that would have become another boarded up crack house if no one had bought it. Go isolate yourself. No one wants you around anyway. Signature-Kelly > Go isolate yourself. No one wants you around anyway. He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. He annoys me. I guess that means he's doing his job as a troll. Signature-Kelly > > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. > > He annoys me. I guess that means he's doing his job as a troll. Doesn't annoy me in the least. He's the type of guy who, if he ran into a strong woman, let alone a gangsta, would leave a puddle and a pile. :-) Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. > > > > He annoys me. I guess that means he's doing his job as a troll. > > Doesn't annoy me in the least. He's the type of guy who, if he ran into > a strong woman, let alone a gangsta, would leave a puddle and a pile. :-) But why should he? All he has to do us use his killfile like the other cowards, and snipe at them via others. :) >>> He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > into a strong woman, let alone a gangsta, would leave a puddle and a > pile. :-) I'd love to meet your idea of a "strong woman" .... and don't tell me you or or significant other are an example. > > Go isolate yourself. No one wants you around anyway. > > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. Oh f.ck off, Killfile Queen. Not everyone takes your approach. The idea is unfettered dialogue, not standing around in a circle jerk all agreeing with one another. Anything else is "trolling," right? Pussy. >> Go isolate yourself. No one wants you around anyway. > > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. Diane ... you wouldn't know a troll if it walked up and introduced him/her self as such. Really. > >> Go isolate yourself. No one wants you around anyway. > > > > He's trolling and not worth reading and answering. > > Diane ... you wouldn't know a troll if it walked up and introduced him/her > self as such. Really. Phillip, you know damned well that you are not bright or witty enough to be a troll. As do most of us. > > See .... you're like too many other weaklings with low self esteem ... all > > too ready to talk yourself out of getting involved in cleaning up your own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for the police to do it. I called the police when there was something to > report, but not to waste their time. Amen, sistah! Don't drink bottled water, clean up the GD reservoir! >> See .... you're like too many other weaklings with low self esteem >> ... all too ready to talk yourself out of getting involved in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that would have become another boarded up crack house if no one had > bought it. Kelly, go flip back a few posts and read what you wrote; and then tell me how any other conclusion could have been drawn (that you're a hopeless whiner) considering I have no history on you. Go on. > It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city again. Philip's trying to decide where to live when he grows up. :) Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city again. > >Philip's trying to decide where to live when he grows up. :) He won't grow up. He's flying around like Peter Pan. > >> It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city again. > > > >Philip's trying to decide where to live when he grows up. :) > > He won't grow up. He's flying around like Peter Pan. He'd walk but he's too light in his loafers. >> It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city >> again. > > Philip's trying to decide where to live when he grows up. :) Sweetheart .... the only head you can get inside is your own. How did you get out? ;-) > > It starts with phone calls to the police. You can also call the FBI and > > DEA. But to sit there and tolerate drug dealing is absurd. And you are [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the yuppie invasion, their market has dried up. > It was a great place to live, and I would love to live in the city again. Phillip is a blowhard. > Well aren't you special. The police, FBI, or DEA (wtf are the FBI and DEA > going to do? like they care about street-level drug dealers) can't do [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > -Kelly That sounds like my old neighborhood in Indy. It bordered the tony "Meridian- Kessler" neighborhood of 600+K mansions (this was years ago when a 600K home was a mansion) yet was literally house-by-house either a dump, or a rehab, or newly rehabbed. The cops new the n'hood better than anyone else - and were at a loss to do much more than they already were. It just took private buying power to get the slum lords out and rehab the entire area. I loved that n'hood. I have never felt more alive in my entire life than when I lived there. -L. "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote : MOVE. You'll > get no sympathy from me. She wasn't asking for any, whitebread. :) You were among the first of the cojoneless to flee to the suburbs, weren't you? > She wasn't asking for any, whitebread. :) You were among the > first of the cojoneless to flee to the suburbs, weren't you? Oh I'm sure he was. Go sit in your easy chair, Archie Bunker. Signature-Kelly > > She wasn't asking for any, whitebread. :) You were among the > > first of the cojoneless to flee to the suburbs, weren't you? > > Oh I'm sure he was. Go sit in your easy chair, Archie Bunker. He's the right age. You can tell. (Snort) Oh, I don't take it personally; dude may just be a clueless YUP like my youngest son who lives a mile from here. He had lived here 4 years when we went apt.-hunting and had no idea Capitol Hill was as it is (where I live) as like so many young folks, never reads the paper & rarely looks @ anything on tv but sports reports! Rent is low, management very pet-friendly, and I will go condo-hunting now that I know which are the "iffy" 'hoods here. Yeah, fleeing to 'burbs! (Never had any cojones to begin with; I like "cojoneless" - I speak Spanish, but am not Hispanic, keep getting that word mixed up w/that for "rabbit" LOL). Dude is not the only one (MileHigh's full of 'em) who thinks it's a simple series of steps to solve such as this urban mess. MileHigh reeks of partisan politics and it's been that way for a *long* time, long before I got here.....it's just better hidden back in s. FL.Hopitus needs no sympathy, just warmer weather.... >> > She wasn't asking for any, whitebread. :) You were among the >> > first of the cojoneless to flee to the suburbs, weren't you? >> >> Oh I'm sure he was. Go sit in your easy chair, Archie Bunker. > > He's the right age. You can tell. > (Snort) Oh, I don't take it personally; dude may just be a clueless YUP like > my youngest son who lives a mile from here. He had lived here 4 years when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pet-friendly, and I will go condo-hunting now that I know which are the > "iffy" 'hoods here. Yeah, fleeing to 'burbs! There is something for everyone, you know? The inner city neighborhoods, like everything else, have their pluses and minuses. No need to denigrate the cities, as Phillip does, or sit on his flabby a.s in his suburban fortress and tell KellyH and the other interesting people who choose diversity and historic houses and culture (like you, have, for a while!) how to live. I have lived in rural areas, suburbs and inner city areas, and they all have their charm and drawbacks. But it will always be the city for me. Something about it keeps me honest. > (Never had any cojones to begin with; I like "cojoneless" > - I speak Spanish, but am not Hispanic, keep getting that word mixed up > w/that for "rabbit" LOL). :) What is the word for rabbit? > Dude is not the only one (MileHigh's full of 'em) > who thinks it's a simple series of steps to solve such as this urban mess. > MileHigh reeks of partisan politics and it's been that way for a *long* > time, long before I got here.....it's just better hidden back in s. > FL. It is, as so many things are, all about the culture of "them vs *us*." Anything but live and let live. Anyone different is an affront to *my* culture or the dominant culture, etc. Total horse sh.t. >Hopitus needs no sympathy, just warmer weather.... I hear you on that count. I am in NC and it is MUCH colder in MD/DC in the winter, though we are only five hours south. ROFL - rabbit = "conejo". >> (Snort) Oh, I don't take it personally; dude may just be a clueless YUP > like [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I hear you on that count. I am in NC and it is MUCH colder in MD/DC > in the winter, though we are only five hours south. Almost as funny: "caballero" (gentleman); "caballo" (horse). > ROFL - rabbit = "conejo". > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> I hear you on that count. I am in NC and it is MUCH colder in MD/DC >> in the winter, though we are only five hours south. > Almost as funny: "caballero" (gentleman); "caballo" (horse). don't forget "cabello" (head of hair) spanish, guru Actually, the origins of "caballero" as a gloss for "gentleman" refers to the latter as being one who rode a horse... the litteral translation for "caballero" is "horseman". Katrina > Almost as funny: "caballero" (gentleman); "caballo" (horse). > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>> I hear you on that count. I am in NC and it is MUCH colder in MD/DC >>> in the winter, though we are only five hours south. Yeah, I was wondering about that! Examples: carnidero, panadero, pescadero..... Funny that "horseman" is on door of a lotta restrooms, LOL. > Actually, the origins of "caballero" as a gloss for "gentleman" refers to > the latter as being one who rode a horse... the litteral translation for [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>>> I hear you on that count. I am in NC and it is MUCH colder in MD/DC >>>> in the winter, though we are only five hours south. > Don't bother. Here is my rule: > If a cat is roaming free at all hours with no supervision, has no ID, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Megan ITA. Numerous cats in my neighborhood in San Jose got "free" TTVNR courtesy of *me* - I doubt their "owners" even noticed. -L. I just looked at the diary again and it seems there are several cats that congregate outside? And you're feeding them, right? If so it is important to make sure *all* the cats are tested, and spayed/neutered, especially considering the fact that your cat has been exposed to them. There are no 100% effective vaccines for FIV and Felv, and their use can be hazardous, so it is important to minimize risk to your cat. Feeding them also keeps them healthier, which in turn creates a prime situation for breeding, and I think you can see where I'm going with this. I know it seems like a lot of responsibility, but somebody has to do it, and it doesn't sound like you've got much in the way of kindred spirits in your neighborhood although if you're volunteering at the shelter you'll more than likely be able to get a good deal on services. I did this by myself starting many years ago in my own neighborhood and we haven't had any kittens for years as I got all the main offenders and catch the occasional new one as they show up. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >I just looked at the diary again and it seems there are several cats >that congregate outside? And you're feeding them, right? If so it is [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >- W.H. Murray Yes. I contacted the Humane Society and we're going ahead with a trap/neuter. The other 2 cats I feed are owned and already, I think, neutered. There is an orange one owned by the Hell's Angels across the street and the back and white owned by the weird cult across the alley from me. Just a thought in case he really does belong to someone who is really looking for him... Call your local shelter & ask if anyone reported him missing; also, local paper usually puts in free classified for lost/found pets. If someone does call, have them really describe the cat well & document they are indeed the owners, (vet name, for example) & verify. If they sound like they're just going to half abandon the cat again, just tell them that the cat you have is not theirs! > RE: Message ID > <2363-42868E3F-148@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > crack houses so I can't ask the neighbours or pamphlet the nearby > homes with contact information. That would be unsafe. >Just a thought in case he really does belong to someone who is really >looking for him... Call your local shelter & ask if anyone reported him [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> crack houses so I can't ask the neighbours or pamphlet the nearby >> homes with contact information. That would be unsafe. Good idea. I contacted the local shelter and they will trap the cat, determine if anyone reported it missing, and then after 4 days neuter, tattoo and vaccinate him. I guess if the owners don't call the shelter by Day 4 he's as good as abandoned. When my cat went missing (trapped behind gyprock it turned out) I went immediatly frantic trying to find her. Any good owner would do the same. Great that the shelter will do this but am a little concerned about what they will do with him after 4 days. Are they going to keep him or what... I worry about them euthanizing him.... >>Just a thought in case he really does belong to someone who is really >>looking for him... Call your local shelter & ask if anyone reported him [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > immediatly frantic trying to find her. Any good owner would do the > same. >Great that the shelter will do this but am a little concerned about what >they will do with him after 4 days. Are they going to keep him or what... >I worry about them euthanizing him.... Oh sh.t no! The Fraser Valley Humane Society http://www.humanesociety.cjb.net/ Is a no-kill organization. They should say this on the website but they don't. The only exception they'll make is euthenasia when the cat or dog is dying a painful death from disease. What they'll do is to neuter the tomcat (after holding him long enough for an owner to reclaim him). Then they'll vaccinate and re-release into my backyard. Check my latest diary entry http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147 >>>Just a thought in case he really does belong to someone who is really >>>looking for him... Call your local shelter & ask if anyone reported him [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> immediatly frantic trying to find her. Any good owner would do the >> same. >> Great that the shelter will do this but am a little concerned about what >> they will do with him after 4 days. Are they going to keep him or what... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they don't. The only exception they'll make is euthenasia when the cat > or dog is dying a painful death from disease. What a nice site. They seem like an exceptional organization. |
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