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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Update on Blocked Cat
Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were hospitalization charges including "biowaste management" ($3.99 ea) at $122.40 per night, $120 for a CBC and chemistries, $114 for 1/2 hour anesthesia, $122 for the urinary obstruction, and $102 for the saline IV. They did give us a 10 lb bag of C/D food complementary. Big whoop! The cat feels a lot better and is in his 'room' sleeping (the linen closet is known as his room), and he did spend some time on the screened porch looking at the birds, etc.. But he is still woozy and fell off the porch railing and our dining room sideboard. I'm glad he's home, but his new name is "sofa", which is just about what this ordeal cost. Marjorie >They did give us a 10 lb bag of C/D food >complementary. Big whoop! This makes me sick. No vet should be sending dry food home with a cat that has been blocked. Please get your cat on a *high quality* strictly canned food diet fed on a 12 hour schedule. This is the best way to avoid future problems. Wellness canned food is an excellent choice and is almost identical in promoting the urine ph that c/d does. This is what I feed several of my cats that had past urinary tract issues and I haven't had a problem since. You can find a store locator at http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com You can read more about why dry food is bad for cats here: http://catsincanada.com/articles/feeding.html You can also find more good articles and info about cat nutrition here: http://www.catnutrition.org Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >They did give us a 10 lb bag of C/D food > >complementary. Big whoop! > > This makes me sick. No vet should be sending dry food home with a cat > that has been blocked. Oh yes, Marjorie is going to take your advice over her vet's. Jesus, Megan. Did you even finish high school? >Oh yes, Marjorie is going to take your >advice over her vet's. Jesus, Megan. Did >you even finish high school? My advice is based on research and first hand experience, and is no different from what your idol Phil would say. In your desperation to attack anything I say, you are obviously more than willing to denigrate sound and accurate advice and put a cat's health and potentially its life at risk. You're a sick and disgusting individual and if the OP does even a minimum of googling of your posts, they'll quickly realize the same thing. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >Oh yes, Marjorie is going to take your > >advice over her vet's. Jesus, Megan. Did [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > different from what your idol Phil would say. In your desperation to > attack anything I say Now this is rich. Had I recommended less food, you would have said I was recommending too little. The OP wanted a ballpark idea, and that's what I have him. 10 oz per day when he is currently feeding 14 oz and hoping his cats will lose weight was a good recommendation, particularly since they are not eating all of the food he puts down. You silly a.shole. :) marys@catlover.com wrote: >Now this is rich. Had I recommended >less food, you would have said I was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >since they are not eating all of the food he >puts down. Um, Mary, this is getting sad and is just more proof of your stupidity and desperation. Your response above is posted to the wrong thread and has nothing whatsoever to do with the importance of increasing water intake in a cat that has had blockage/urinary tract issues. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > has nothing whatsoever to do with the importance of increasing water > intake in a cat that has had blockage/urinary tract issues. lol! It's Megan, the Energizer Bunny, going back for that football every time. Sitting there, with your 23 cats in your 1-bedroom apartment in between cleaning toilets, dispensing advice. Heh. >> marys@catlover.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >1-bedroom apartment in between cleaning toilets, dispensing >advice. Heh. 23 cats? That's the archetype of the ideal woman! > >> marys@catlover.com wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > 23 cats? That's the archetype of the ideal woman! Not in a one-bedroom apartment with a personality that can peel paint at 50 paces. :) >23 cats? That's the archetype of the ideal >woman! Why thank you! However, you'll have to pardon Mary's stupidity as she has no clue about my situation but posts what she thinks she knows anyway, despite the fact that she's wrong. I'vebeen posted very recently for the umpteenth time that I am the proud slave to 25 cats, one of which I adopted just a few months ago from someone on this very NG. In fact, he recently posted about his visit to my home in the "visiting Henry" thread and was quite complimentary (which belies Mary's ignorant and libelous claims that I am a "collector.") Feel free to peruse my photo album if you need a major cat fix. :-) Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>23 cats? That's the archetype of the ideal >>woman! [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >- W.H. Murray http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=140147 This is my Cinder's website. What should I do about the tomcat? Read latest diary entry. >This is my Cinder's website. She's beautiful! I love black cats and have several myself, including one whose story is identical to yours! Her name is Birdie: http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL320/476350/932236/12033407.jpg >What should I do about the tomcat? >Read latest diary entry. If I were in your situation I'd hurry up and trap the cat and get him tested, vaccinated and neutered. If he is nice you can find him a good home or keep him and introduce him into your own household. If he is feral, you can release him and make sure he is fed, or keep him and work on trying to tame him. Either way he really should get fixed ASAP as doing so will eliminate the potential for his creating kittens (in a world that already has too many) and the potential population explosion that would follow when his offspring start procreating. It will also most likely modify his aggressive behavior, which will benefit other cats that cross his path. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >> marys@catlover.com wrote: > > lol! It's Megan, the Energizer Bunny, going back for that > football every time. Sitting there, with your 23 cats in your > 1-bedroom apartment in between cleaning toilets, dispensing > advice. Heh. You know, Mary, you have now referred to Megan "cleaning toilets" a multitude of times -- sometimes when she was not even involved in the thread you responded to. You obviously intend this as an insult. In so doing, you demean everyone who cleans homes for a living. In actual fact, cleaning toilets is only a very small percentage of the work done in a home. This is hard work and a very respectable profession -- and often earns fairly high wages. I have someone who cleans my house twice a month. Her services are very important to me, and it enables me to continue with my own work and yet enjoy a clean house.. Yes, her work includes cleaning my bathrooms (not just the toilets), but I would not dream of disrespecting her simply because of her occupation. When you try to belittle someone who works hard by constantly talking about her cleaning toilets, you only succeed in belittling yourself. MaryL > When you try to belittle someone who works hard by constantly talking about > her cleaning toilets, you only succeed in belittling yourself. APPLAUSE! Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > When you try to belittle someone who works hard by constantly talking about > > her cleaning toilets, you only succeed in belittling yourself. > > APPLAUSE! Diane, I can respect MaryL's opinion. However, you are just a pussy who hides behind your killfile and allows others to speak for you. So f.ck off. Morons! Morons! Each and every one! Morons! Morons! Killing all the fun! Nasty little bitches! A coven of crazed witches! They give me The Rash! Go and get The Lash! Beat them, bite them, throw them up a tree! Then the board will again be pure.. And we'll be moron-free! > Morons! Morons! > Each and every one! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And we'll be moron-free! Very nicely done. > My advice is based on research and first hand experience, and is no > different from what your idol Phil would say. In your desperation to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Megan She already blew her credibility with Marjorie by trolling in alt.infertility.parenting. Marjorie is a regular there. -L. > > My advice is based on research and first hand experience, and is no > > different from what your idol Phil would say. In your desperation to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -L. :) Lynnie, please try to remember that I am not one of you pathetic types who look for reinforcement from strangers on Usenet. lol > This makes me sick. No vet should be sending dry food home with a cat > that has been blocked. And you got your DVM degree from where? Let's turn off the emotional hysteria and think a bit before making such a rash suggestion. Literally hundreds of thousands of cats have been _very_ sucessfully managed on dry forms of c/d for nearly 40 years. Please get your cat on a *high quality* strictly > canned food diet fed on a 12 hour schedule. This is the best way to > avoid future problems. Wellness canned food is an excellent choice and > is almost identical in promoting the urine ph that c/d does. That is incorrect. Urine pH is only one part of the issue controlling crystaluria in cats. Assuming that setting urine pH to some value solves all the problems is grossly in error. You cannot simply manufacture one lot of food and test urine pH. More importantly there a huge number of additional issues that must be resolved besides just the urine pH. You have to insure that every lot of food consistently meets all those criteria. Wellness has no such facilities and does no such testing on each and every lot of food. They don't even own their own manufacturing facilities anymore, much less have the testing protocols in place and facilities to insure urine pH consistency from one lot to the next. And more importantly there is no reason for them to do so. They don't market their foods as therapeutic foods for the disease. > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They did give us a 10 lb bag of C/D food complementary. Big whoop! Didn't the vet recommend a canned diet? Cats with urinary tract problems really need to be on an appropriate diet and kibble isn't it. > The cat feels a lot better and is in his 'room' sleeping (the linen closet > is known as his room), and he did spend some time on the screened porch [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Marjorie I'm glad to hear your kitty is home. IMO a cat is worth MUCH more than a sofa. Lauren > > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I > might add. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Didn't the vet recommend a canned diet? Cats with urinary tract > problems really need to be on an appropriate diet and kibble isn't it. This is my understanding too. I hope Marjorie will ask her vet about this. > I'm glad to hear your kitty is home. IMO a cat is worth MUCH more than > a sofa. > > Lauren Me too. I'm glad he is home. Put a LOT of water dishes around the house. Put some by favorite birdwatching windows (I find this spot is HIGHLY successful). And remember, a couch doesn't purr or look at you adoringly. >Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. >He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Marjorie I'm very happy your cat is home and well. The bill was a bit high but it's a free country. The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle ash (magnesium and the like) in food. Canned food is lower ash than most dry food. If I were you I would look up and discover who makes the lowest ash catfood (probably canned) and stick to that brand. Prevention is cheaper than the cure. > >Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > >He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > (magnesium and the like) in food. Canned food is lower ash than most > dry food. If I were you I would look up and discover who makes the lowest ash > catfood (probably canned) and stick to that brand. Prevention is > cheaper than the cure. Apparently C/D is prescribed for the management of struvite crystals. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/dry.htm "FLUTD is a condition often associated with the formation of crystals in the urinary tract that can cause numerous painful symptoms for your cat. The two most common types of crystals that form in the cat's urinary tract: struvite and oxalate. Prescription Diet® Feline c/d is formulated to provide nutritional management of cats with struvite-related FLUTD. Prescription Diet c/d contains reduced building blocks of struvite and produces an acid urine pH, lowering the chance that struvite crystals will form. The nutritional formulation of Prescription Diet c/d® may also be useful for pets with a variety of conditions. " This must be the reason the vet sent this food home with Marjorie. >> >Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might >add. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >This must be the reason the vet sent this food home with Marjorie. The vet knows what she's doing. Good. > >> >Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might > >add. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > The vet knows what she's doing. Good. Quite often it is easy to forget that they generally do. Still, I think canned food is a good idea if only because of the water content. "John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle ash > (magnesium and the like) in food. There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral content- not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed Analysis and not in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an aliquot of the diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is actually all the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of the mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash' analysis does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet. Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine pH of 6.1 or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium in the diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH rises above 6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium content determines *how much* struvite will form. Phil >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Phil My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food for a male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll trust the vet and not you. John wrote: >>I think I'll trust the vet and not you. John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition than most vets. Believe what he tells you. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. Grow up Mike. On the one hand there is a trained vet to whom I paid $800 for an unblocking operation and medical advice. On the other hand there is an anonymous persona in a usenet newsgroup who has pretentions to authority. On the planet Earth, Mike, I trust the vet. > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition > >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there is an anonymous persona in a usenet newsgroup who has > pretentions to authority. On the planet Earth, Mike, I trust the vet. Funny--this is how I feel about Megan's advice, but Phil has actually given me advice that my vet agreed with but had not thought of. So in my experience, Phil actually has displayed more knowledge about cat nutrition and other issues than any vet I have had. Granted there are better and worse vets. > > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition > > >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > more knowledge about cat nutrition and other issues than > any vet I have had. Granted there are better and worse vets. I think John should keep his windows closed- sounds like he's down wind from the crack houses in his neighborhood. >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition >> > >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I think John should keep his windows closed- sounds like he's down wind from >the crack houses in his neighborhood. Hey Fill you and I have gone around before you are an obnoxious brainwashed fool.......there is never middle ground with you its fills way or no way ten years from now with maybe huge advances in cat food you will continue to spout outdated information. I probably know less about cats than anyone here but some of you are really going out on a limb dispensing medical advice. Behavioral problems I can see but some of you go way beyond that and how many times are you quoting someone elses post from a week month or year ago......if I hear once more what a super guy fill is I am going to puke his mouth can come close to matching Marys sometimes and I usually try not to take advice from someone that foul. I'm not saying you are wrong because frankly I don't know but I have found alot of people who have been extremely happy with a dry diet with healthy happy cats. Did they run you out of that other group......I left because of you and then lo and behold you pop up here.....sigh Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition > >> > >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Hey Fill you and I have gone around before you ...and you're dumb enough to come back for more after I made a complete and utter a.s out of you the first time around? LOL! You said you could write a paragraph about how much better dry food is than canned-- what happened, Brat? Can't walk it like you talk it, eh? LOL! Did they run you out of > that other group......I left because of you Great! Hopefully you'll leave this one, too. You're not exactly a fountain of feline knowledge- and judging from your mentality, you'll never be one. and then lo and behold you > pop up here..... You really are a fuckin' moron, aren't you, Brat? I've been here for >6 years! ROTFL! >> >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat >nutrition [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >You really are a fuckin' moron, aren't you, Brat? I've been here for >6 >years! ROTFL! Oh Fill you are to funny......I call you Fill and you come back with the oh so witty Brat......what a freaking child you are........I left that group because after you got there the posts started dropping until there was only one or two a day......and that didn't happen until you came along.......can you explain that one Fill......I'm still laughing about you calling me Brat.....lol......you came up witha good one there Fill so original..... If I wanted to continue this nonsense I would post the info I found today that said there are even some canned foods that are coming close to the complete nutrition found in your premium dry formulas......You are flat out wrong Fill......sorry.......I am putting you on ignore again.....I don't killfile or that crap I just find you humorous and pretend you aren't here..... Your friend.......Brat.......lol.......lol..... > >> >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat > >nutrition [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >You really are a fuckin' moron, aren't you, Brat? I've been here for >6 > >years! ROTFL! <incoherent babbling snipped> > If I wanted to continue this nonsense I would post the info I found > today that said there are even some canned foods that are coming close > to the complete nutrition found in your premium dry formulas...... In other words, in addition to being a disgustingly filthy pig, you're also a babbling idiot that can't walk it like you talk it. Knowing idiots like you have cats, makes me tremble at every adoption. > > >> >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat > > >nutrition [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Knowing idiots like you have cats, makes me tremble at every adoption. He's buying the next one from a breeder, so at least the shelter cats, if not all cats, are safe. > > > >> >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat > > > >nutrition [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > He's buying the next one from a breeder, so at least the shelter cats, > if not all cats, are safe. Except his cats. If he doesn't even wash his clothes, imagine the condition of the litterboxes. His poor cats probably have to wade through piles sh.t and puddles of piss. I knew he was an a.shole from his first post. > > > > >> >> > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat > > > > >nutrition [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > I knew he was an a.shole from his first post. Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming a.shole, can have a decent sig. >Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming a.shole, can >have a decent sig. Mary........Mary Mary........is that any way to treat someone you are having a relationship with.......cmon now and teaming up with Fill of all people.....my god.......although if I wasn't so heads over heels about you I think you and Fill might make a good pair.......except for Fill shows some feminine aspects........I'm waiting for him to come out of the closet but he's not really with it.....still in the closet.....ya know what I mean...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming a.shole, can > >have a decent sig. > > Mary........Mary Mary........is that any way to treat someone you are > having a relationship with....... Who the hell would want to have a relationship with a disgusting, filthy, skid-row degenerate like you? Maybe only a woman who had no olfactory bulb! ROTFL! > > >Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming a.shole, can > > >have a decent sig. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > skid-row degenerate like you? Maybe only a woman who had no olfactory > bulb! ROTFL! Yet another excellent point, Phil. :) > >John, I think you should know that Phil knows more about cat nutrition > >than most vets. Believe what he tells you. > > Grow up Mike. On the one hand there is a trained vet to whom I paid > $800 for an unblocking operation and medical advice. If your vet was so well-trained and a few steps above mediocre he would have told you male cats should be checked for crystals more frequently than females. That's the best advice you ever got- and you got it for free from an 'anonymous persona in a usenet newsgroup'. On the other hand > there is an anonymous persona in a usenet newsgroup who has > pretentions to authority. Aww shucks- you're just saying that because you're a moron. > John wrote: >>> I think I'll trust the vet and not you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ---MIKE--- Ah, you have interviewed "most vets?" Does "Phil" have any really good recipies for once the cat is fattened up and healthy again? ;^) > > John wrote: > >>> I think I'll trust the vet and not you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > ---MIKE--- Does "Phil" have any really good > recipies for once the cat is fattened up and healthy again? > As a matter of fact, I do. Btw, a fattened up cat isn't a healthy cat, a.shole. I'd bet you and your wife are very 'healthy"! LOL! How many times do you have to roll over to get off of her? > >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll > trust the vet and not you. Apparently, my post transcended your limited understanding. I'll make it simple for you: If you need a low magnesium diet- choose a diet on the basis of the *magnesium content*- not on the 'ash' content. "Low ash" does not necessarily mean 'low magnesium". The 'ash' analysis does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet. A diet can have a low ash analysis and still have a high magnesium content. Is that simple enough for you to understand, or do you need a .jpg? >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >and still have a high magnesium content. Is that simple enough for you to >understand, or do you need a .jpg? I think you have a pickle up your a.s. Phil. The vet said to stick to a low ash magnesium restricted diet and I did it, cat was fine ever since. I'm glad I wasn't listening to you! You're a frustrated control freak. Seek help from a psychologist or qualified spriritual counsellor. > >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > >> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >and still have a high magnesium content. Is that simple enough for you to > >understand, or do you need a .jpg? > I think you have a pickle up your a.s. Phil. That's because you're an idiot with a bruised ego. The vet said to stick to > a low ash magnesium restricted diet and I did it, cat was fine ever > since. I'm glad I wasn't listening to you! You sure are one f.cking idiot! Do you realize that? Did I tell you to stop feeding your cat the prescription diet, a.shole? I simply told you that the ash analysis doesn't correlate to the magnesium content or the content of any other single mineral in the diet. You're a frustrated > control freak. It just seems that way to you because you're an idiot with a fragile ego. Seek help from a psychologist or qualified spriritual > counsellor. I probably need one from trying to get through to dumb a.sholes like you! LOL! > >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll > trust the vet and not you. Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health. Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets are very knowledgeable re: livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some don't know squat sh.t about nutrition. Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat. I actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before. You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research YOURSELF. Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit. Sherry > > >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research > YOURSELF. Nicely put. That is what this place is for, and the arguments, though some are *cough* more helpful than others, actually help because the reasons for the advice/opinions come out and can be examined. This is a DISCUSSION forum, and that is what discussion is for. Granted you have to get around a few "Megan you ignorant slut" s. Heh. With apologies to Saturday Night Live. > Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you > blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I > think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit. Amen. >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >Sherry Sherry.....that would normally be pretty solid advice but maybe you didn't notice you are talking about Fill here.....problem with Fill is that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure to meet.....its his way or no way.......I don't find a lot of intelligent people as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite lack of character signal for certain.......He has himself so high on that pedestal he built for himself he will never be able to get down....... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > >> > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure > to meet.....its his way or no way....... Awww- you're just saying that because you're a filthy moron. What happened, Brat? You still have written that page about how much better dry food is than canned food! LOL! What's the matter, moron, can't walk it like you talk it? I don't find a lot of > intelligent people That's because most intelligent people avoid morons like you- unless they want to have some fun! LOL! I'd bet you're the life of a party-- as long as its outside and you're downwind. as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite > lack of character Oh yeah--- spraying your dirty clothes with Fabreeze instead of washing them is a sure sign of character, you skid-row degenerate! I'd bet your breath peels paint at 100 yards! ROTFL! > > >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > >> > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > is a sure sign of character, you skid-row degenerate! I'd bet your breath > peels paint at 100 yards! ROTFL! And he is still waiting for his breeder cat. > > > >> >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > > >> > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > > And he is still waiting for his breeder cat. He thinks a purebred cat will enhance his social image... when in reality, he'll diminish the cat's image! The skid is paying for the cat with all the money he saved on soap, water and electricity. Cats have 10 million more cells in their olfactory bulbs than humans ... The poor cat! ;-( I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead. > > >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Sherry > I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead. Lets have some specifics, Ray. Or direct us to the thread, then tell us what happened when you followed Phil's advice. Are you saying, as you seem to be, that you think it was Phil's advice that resulted in the death of your cat? If this is true, you owe it to everyone here to tell us the specifics. Phil would certainly want to know if he recommended the wrong thing to you, as dedicated as he is to the welfare of cats. > > > >"John Ross Mc Master" <pussycat@cathouse.meow> wrote in message > > > > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > > > Sherry Phil didn't give me direct advice. But I took his advice and fed my cat high quality canned food. So I did and my cat got run over by an SUV. So now she's dead. > > I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead. > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > > > > > Sherry > I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead. I notice your IP resolves to a Lexington Mass. provider. Now who do we know in Massachusetts? Ray sounds like a troll to me. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Ray sounds like a troll to me. Yep. A troll with a bone to pick with Phil. A troll who lives in Massachusetts. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') How do you know I am really in Mass? Yes, the server might be there but I don't have to be in the same state as the server, do I? > How do you know I am really in Mass? Yes, the server might be there but > I don't have to be in the same state as the server, do I? You don't have to be in the same state but you probably are, and you are at least near by. You're not south of Maryland or west of Pennsylvania, that's for sure. Your IP narrows things down quite a bit. I don't really care. You trolled the group and got the response you expected, so good for you. Why are you concerned that I'm a troll? The so-called discussion on this thread (and many other threads) has degenerated into name-calling so I figured might as well have some fun. > Why are you concerned that I'm a troll? The so-called discussion on > this thread (and many other threads) has degenerated into name-calling > so I figured might as well have some fun. As long as you're having a good time. Meanwhile, whose post are you responding to? > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Marjorie You're a fabulous cat slave. You certainly saved his life, and of course you know that he will bring you more joy and comfort than the most expensive couch. Good on you. Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) vets in s.FL did some kinda surgery that (not to get obscene here) actually "made him a girl" and forever made blockage extremely unlikely....former boycats peed like girls after the whole thing (I personally never understood what this surgery consisted of, just happy cats' lives were saved). Did - for all that $ - vet "make him a girl" urinary-wise? >> Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might > add. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > course you know that he will bring you more joy and comfort > than the most expensive couch. Good on you. Re the sofa: I actually have an Ethan Allen custom-made leather sofa (bed) in l.r. all vulnerable parts covered by thick cotton large-sofa throw (sofa against wall in back) which is now covered w/two cats' worh of shed winter fur (gotta wash that sucker soon!) and they are both snoozing on it now. I keep their claws closely clipped no kidding and there is not one claw mark in its leather. When company comes (most frequent company is deadly allergic to cats dander/fur) cats go into bedroom during visit and cover/throw is whipped off sofa. Leather was kinda hot in FL but not here. Anyway, bottom line is YES cats are worth far more than any sofa AFA giving love and comfort to our lives. > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about > something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> course you know that he will bring you more joy and comfort >> than the most expensive couch. Good on you. > Re the sofa: I actually have an Ethan Allen custom-made > leather sofa (bed) in l.r. all vulnerable parts covered by thick cotton [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is YES cats are worth far more than any sofa AFA giving > love and comfort to our lives. You figured out how to have a nice leather couch and cats too! Good for you! > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about > something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > what this surgery consisted of, just happy cats' lives were saved). Did - > for all that $ - vet "make him a girl" urinary-wise? I have heard of a procedure like this, but don't know the details! Did he begin to swish when he walked? ;) > >> Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might > > add. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > course you know that he will bring you more joy and comfort > > than the most expensive couch. Good on you. Heh...no, they didn't swish....all I could ever figure out was somehow the vet way shortened the urethra path. >> Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about >> something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> > course you know that he will bring you more joy and comfort >> > than the most expensive couch. Good on you. >when my male cats got blocked (long >time ago, in 80's and 90's) vets in s.FL did [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >for all that $ - vet "make him a girl" >urinary-wise? No. The procedure is called perineal urethrostomy and is simply removal of the penis in order to make the urethral opening wider, which in turn helps to prevent blockages from happening. This surgery should be considered only as an absolute last resort as there are many other problems including recurring infection that can result from the surgery. Doing things like increasing water intake by completely eliminating dry food and feeding only high quality canned food, eliminating free-feeding (which happens when you feed canned anyway,) watching magnesium content and monitoring urine ph are very helpful in preventing reocurrences. In other words, despite the surgery, your cats were still "all man." ;-) Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about > something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) > vets in s.FL did some kinda surgery that (not to get obscene here) actually > "made him a girl" and forever made blockage extremely unlikely....former > boycats peed like girls after the whole thing (I personally never understood > what this surgery consisted of, The procedure is called 'perineal urethrotomy'. It goes something like this: While the cat is under anesthesia, the penis, scrotum, and testicles (if the cat hasn'tt been neutered), are dissected free. The scrotal skin and prepuce are removed to free and expose the penis. The muscles that hold the penis to the pelvic bones are cut, allowing the penis to be pulled outside of the body more than usual. The penis is split along the urethra until the widest part of the urethra is opened. Then, the opened urethra is delicately sutured to the skin, part of the penis removed, and all skin edges closed. Done right, the cat is now something of an anatomical female with a wide urethral opening too big to become obstructed again. I've watched this surgery a couple of times- and still get the chills thinking about it! Actually, it sounds worse to us than it actually is for the cat. PU should be performed only as a last resort. Phil > I've watched this surgery a couple of times- and still get the chills > thinking about it! Actually, it sounds worse to us than it actually is for > the cat. PU should be performed only as a last resort. I imagine so. > > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about > > something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Phil Gah. Isn't there a lot of post-op pain for the poor thing? It sounds like it. OT note: I got to help with a dog spay. Well, mostly just watch, it was after hours & He was spaying his neighbor's dog. It was the most amazing thing I ever saw. Hardly any blood, nothing like what I expected. But it was good for me to watch--I was the one who always complained that the vets were too high on their s/n prices. Truth is, it was much more involved than I ever thought and took a lot of the vet's time. Sherry > > > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious > about [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Gah. Isn't there a lot of post-op pain for the poor thing? Post-op pain management isn't optional with our vets- its mandatory. But as hard as it may be to believe, cats handle the procedure very well- a helluva lot better than I would!!! Urethrostomized males are more susceptible to UTIs- because although they may anatomically similar to a female, they don't have the same host defense mechanisms-- ascending infections literally crawl up from outside. A PU is definitely a last-choice procedure. It sounds > like it. > OT note: I got to help with a dog spay. Well, mostly just watch, it was > after hours & He was spaying his neighbor's dog. It was the most > amazing thing I ever saw. Hardly any blood, nothing like what I > expected. Canine OHE are much more difficult than feline. Watch a feline OHE if you get a chance- watching one will make you feel a lot better about the procedure. But it was good for me to watch--I was the one who always > complained that the vets were too high on their s/n prices. Truth is, > it was much more involved than I ever thought and took a lot of the > vet's time. Many people don't seem to realize that an ovariohysterectomy is a major abdominal surgery-- the removal of major organs-- and that many vets subsidize the procedure themselves. I never heard of any other abdominal surgery costing $100-200-- including anesthesia. Phil Well, those two cats I had that had that surgery in Miami (I had no idea it was "last-ditch" surgery) didn't seem to be in great pain of any kind....I think they laid around for a couple days, primarily recovering from anesthesia I thought @ the time. They were so glad, and I was so glad, to see them peeing while squatting I would say the prevailing emotion @ the time (separately) was big relief. >> > > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious >> about [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Phil > Well, those two cats I had that had that surgery in Miami > (I had no idea it was "last-ditch" surgery) didn't seem to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > while squatting I would say the > prevailing emotion @ the time (separately) was big relief. Sure, the cats were relieved! Urinary tract blockages are very painful and potentially fatal and also psychologically traumatizing because the cat doesn't understand what's happening. Personally, I think a PU is more humane than subjecting a cat to more than 2 catheterizations and the pain of blockage. Catheterization can also damage the urethra. Phil > OT note: I got to help with a dog spay. Well, mostly just watch, it was > after hours & He was spaying his neighbor's dog. It was the most [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry Cat spays don't, particularly if they are young. Usually only take two stitches, too. -L. > Hey, I'm not getting into the food arguments....but I'm curious about > something: when my male cats got blocked (long time ago, in 80's and 90's) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > what this surgery consisted of, just happy cats' lives were saved). Did - > for all that $ - vet "make him a girl" urinary-wise? For some cats, this is the only way to keep them from blocking again. It is very successful. Don't remember the technical term but it is a PU. And yes, basically it does give them a wider "girl like" passage. That is the problem boys have. the uretha is so narrow blockage is a real problem. > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They did give us a 10 lb bag of C/D food complementary. Big whoop! You might want to speak to your vet about the canned version of c/d. Dry c/d is less efficacious than canned c/d. The benefits of canned c/d are increased water intake and water turnover- which results in the dilution of noxious substances in urine; more frequent urination which- decreases bladder contact time with urine, and eliminates crystal particles before they aggregate or accrete into larger and larger crystals and uroliths/plugs that can obstruct the urethra. Phil . ROFL..so my boycats were still "all man"!? They were neutered but would still hump wool throws and blankets; LOL this explains a whole bunch! BTW Megan *and* Phil (the Phil of years past, not the new dude who needs advice) so good to see you both again here @ this ng I don't hang much @.....my indoor cats have a "smothery" slave Mama and don't get sick hardly @ all, not to say injured either. They're a lot happier in MileHigh than I am. Hope life has been kind to both of you. Best wishes from Hopitus (former s.FL; just got a new 'puter after almost a year w/o one). >> Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might > add. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > . > ROFL..so my boycats were still "all man"!? They were neutered but would > still hump wool throws and blankets; [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > been kind to both of you. Best wishes from Hopitus (former s.FL; just got a > new 'puter after almost a year w/o one). Hey! Its great to see the Hopitus again! Don't be a stranger! Phil > > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might > add. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > aggregate or accrete into larger and larger crystals and uroliths/plugs that > can obstruct the urethra. We already spoke about it. The canned CD is unpalitable to my cat, and I'm not all that unhappy about that because it makes your entire house reek. That stuff is the most noxious smelling 'food' you can imagine. My boy normally drinks a lot, and will drink anytime you sit on the john and turn on the bathroom faucet, so he's obviously getting plenty of water. He's no longer blocked, and with the antibiotics (a delightful banana flavored amoxycillian liquid) and the CD dry, I have faith that he'll be OK. I think this whole episode was caused by extreme stress, as we moved from one house to another and he had to stay with a cat sitter for a while in between houses. Now that the stress is gone, and he has a lot of boxes to claw at, he's back to his grumpy old self, the kitty we all love despite his bad habits. Marjorie > Phil > > . > We already spoke about it. The canned CD is unpalitable to my cat, and I'm > not all that unhappy about that because it makes your entire house reek. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Marjorie M, Coming late to this but glad he's on the mend. FWIW, Waltham's makes a food similar to C/D that is much more palatible, if you ever need an alternative. take care, -L. > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were > hospitalization charges including "biowaste management" ($3.99 ea) at > $122.40 per night, Just a note. If they are charging you $122/night just for boarding, this is outrageous. At the feline specialty clinic I worked for, boarding fee was $13.50/day and that included food. It should never be more than $30 - and that's even in intensive care. I'd do some calling around and see what other vets in your area charge. I know you are in Boston area, but even in the Bay it wasn't that high. -L. > Got our kitty back from the vet this morning. $1129.14 poorer, I might add. > He was in the vets for 3 nights, Highlights of the bill were > hospitalization charges including "biowaste management" ($3.99 ea) at > $122.40 per night, Just a note. If they are charging you $122/night just for boarding, this is outrageous. At the feline specialty clinic I worked for, boarding fee was $13.50/day and that included food. It should never be more than $30 - and that's even in intensive care. I'd do some calling around and see what other vets in your area charge. I know you are in Boston area, but even in the Bay it wasn't that high. -L. |
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