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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Goldangit - some people
My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the identification of several cat-toxic plants in the house, and the refusal to remove them, Max the cat hasn't eaten for three days and is curled in a ball in the closet. They said they haven't brought him to the vet because they can't afford a checkup. (which they can) gaaaaaaaahhhh. Do they know how much euthanasia costs? Or maybe they're just waiting for Max to drop over dead of renal failure or starvation. It's not my son's girlfriend, it's her unreasonable mom. Poor Max. And my son's supposed to be going to Prom there this weekend. That'll be a helluva fun weekend if the cat is dying in the closet, or newly dead. Some people make me want to scream BLink >My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >They said they haven't brought him to the vet because they can't >afford a checkup. (which they can) <snip> Isn't this considered abuse, or neglect, or something?!?! Can't you call the authorities? Justin >>My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >>Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Justin At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other charities. BLink > At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare > statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other > charities. > > BLink Looking up animal welfare statutes isn't going to do any good. IF you convince a Humane Society abuse team to investigate, they can't just run over there and seize the cat. There simply has to be more than a sick cat in a closet before they'll ever get cooperation from the sheriff's department or whatever authorities have to accompany them under California law. The cat's going to be dead before the ink is dry on the paperwork. Don't waste time looking for free clinics. Pay for it yourself. Just get the cat to the vet. Sherry >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Sherry I am attempting my best social engineering to do so. The mother does not like charity. Approaching it like a Prom present.. some acceptance there .. daughter can drive, trying to get the vet to bill us if she takes him. Talking to mom on the phone and daughter on IM. gah BLink > >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare > >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > gah Right. Gah. First you posted to Usenet. a.shole. >> >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare >> >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Right. Gah. First you posted to Usenet. a.shole. Humans can do several things at once. Monkeys like you have some difficulty doing so. We won't hold it against you. There are plenty of other reasons to regard you as a silly, ineffective troll. Hey, do you own any cats? Or do you just know about them from picture-books? Just curious. Oops - sorry - the orderly is coming around with your meds soon. Happy dreams. BLink > >> >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare > >> >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > BLink Feel better? >> >> >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare >> >> >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Feel better? Yes, because once again you've hit your cul de sac, unable to reply to someone with actual wit. BLink > >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare > >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or other [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Talking to mom on the phone and daughter on IM. Has the situation changed any today? Were you able to convince the daughter to take any action on the cat's behalf? I'm sure, if she could just get the cat to the vet, any vet will take your credit card over the phone. I hate this. I'm not saying you should spend hundreds of dollars trying to save this cat that's apparently far away from you. But I'd rather see the poor thing euthanized than dying slowly and suffering for days in that closet. Then there's the issue of after-care even if it does make it to the vet. And the issue of the plants, and the cat possibly just getting sick all over again. This could be a real crossroads in that girl's life. She is either going to get affirmation from those around her that it's just a cat, it's okay to just let it die, or she's going to act on influence from you, and be a kinder and more compassionate person for "those who can't speak for themselves" because of it. Sherry > gah > > BLink sridd...@aol.com wrote: But I'd rather > see the poor thing euthanized than dying slowly and suffering for days > in that closet. > Then there's the issue of after-care even if it does make it to the > vet. And the issue of the plants, and the cat possibly just getting > sick all over again I re-read this, and don't want to leave the impression that I think the situation is so hopeless that the cat should just be whacked. Not at all. What I mean is, the home situation is either going to have to change, or the cat needs to be re-homed. And after-care is possibly going to involved force-feeding, which doesn't sound like the kind of trouble the mother is going to bother with. It sounds like everything depends on the daughter. Sherry > sridd...@aol.com wrote: > But I'd rather [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > trouble the mother is going to bother with. It sounds like everything > depends on the daughter. I have to agree. It is hard to even think about someone like this having responsibility for an animal. >> sridd...@aol.com wrote: >> But I'd rather [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I have to agree. It is hard to even think about someone like this >having responsibility for an animal. Which is why it's a good thing there are people like me on the case, and not people like you. My vision of the whole thing if we'd traded places is: Psycho Mom: We couldn't afford the examination Mary: You poor thing. Let me know what happens ... Psycho Mom: The cat died. Mary: You reprehensible bitch! If only you'd listened to my advice! BLink >> >> At the moment, in fact, I'm trying to google up animal welfare >> >> statutes in Southern Cal - or if there are any free clinics or [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> BLink The cat is walking around and drinking - apparently not dehydrated from the simple tests I mentioned to the mother. The mother seemed shocked that cats can become dehydrated so quickly - and at least showed some interest in helping out. I will be there tomorrow, and get a chance to look at the cat firsthand. I've contacted two vets in the area that will give a reduced rate or free (!) examination of the cat. I have a plan for smuggling the animal out of the house. As far as my son's girlfriend - she's desparate. But she has no control of the purse, so she's mostly helpless in this case. It looks like we'll at least get the cat examined. If it turns out to be something serious, or long-term, we'll just deal with that as it comes up. If nothing else, the emergency vet in the area has told me to call any time for help, being sympathetic to my story. And I have Megan's number too. BLink > >> BLink wrote: > > The cat is walking around and drinking - apparently not dehydrated > from the simple tests I mentioned to the mother. The mother seemed > shocked that cats can become dehydrated so quickly - and at least > showed some interest in helping out. That sounds better at least. I had pictured a poor cat who'd been curled up in the closet without moving for days. Good luck with your plan. I swear, if you intervene on behalf of this cat, you're going to be making a huge impact on the daughter. She will never forget it, and she will realize that's what compassionate, decent people *do*. Don't forget, white lies are allowed. I'm in the middle of one right now, to orchestrate getting a dog spayed (8 years old, has had a litter every year) for an owner who *wants* to, can't afford it, but won't "take charity." Sherry >That sounds better at least. I had pictured a poor cat who'd been >curled up in the closet without moving for days. Good luck with your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >charity." >Sherry Cmon spill the beans I wanna hear how creative you are....did you tell him you only needed one more spay for your girl scout Merit badge......??......I have a feeling its going to end up costing you some money......If he gives them away has he determined what it costs him to feed and care for the pups each year for eight or ten weeks it may cost him less to get him spayed. Do you know if he is able to sell them or if he gives them away? Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > Some people make me want to scream > > BLink why not have your son poison the plants, he has access to them right all is fair in love and war and killing deadly plants. or print her up some simple pages from the internet. sometimes people believe things when they read it, showing her what the plants can do. (she may not be convinced that the plants are the cause) Unless she's just very un-reasonable, the mom and the daughter, seems like they would respond to a little printed confrontation. Good Luck > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > BLink If Max hasn't eaten in three days, he is probably going to die unless someone can intervene. That someone is going to have to be you or your son. Go to them and try to reason with them. Offer to take the cat to the vet for them, and foot the bill. Then tell them the cat died, and find it a decent home. Whose cat is it? The daughter's? What is *she* doing, while her cat is in the closet dying? Sherry > > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > doing, while her cat is in the closet dying? > Sherry Why the hell does this a.shole have to be told this? Anybody? >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Why the hell does this a.shole have to be told this? Anybody? Whoa, "a.shole"? Me? Your leaky brain is showing. If you had at least a shred of credibility this might hurt, but it's strangely reassuring to see you acting to type and finding some way to dump on me. People mistreat their pets, strays die to the elements, the world is collapsing, but at least Mary toddles on in her own psychopathic fantasy world with her hallucinogenic vendettas. It's a great reminder of the fact that neglect by a rational person is criminal, but the ignorance of the mentally-ill is only a source of pity. Mary, you give us a great cause to struggle for. Perhaps those on this group who know your identity can intervene before you do more harm to yourself or any small animals in your vicinity. BLink > >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > BLink The fact remains that instead of calling this girl you posted here. What the hell is wrong with you? >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >The fact remains that instead of calling this girl you posted here. >What the hell is wrong with you? Again.. multitasking. Typing + talking at the same time. The thorazine might make this tough for you, but be assured the rest of us can manage. Someday you'll be better and they'll let you out. Till then, please keep the cards and letters coming - we're all rooting for you. BLink > >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Someday you'll be better and they'll let you out. Till then, please > keep the cards and letters coming - we're all rooting for you. I can see Mary's thinking on this one, why do you have to wait to be told to take matters into your own hands, in this instance it is glaring common sense!!! Do you want the group's moral support or something? If you have it (and would have the support of any reasnonable person) - now go and save that cat!  SignatureNiel H > > >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > > >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > (and would have the support of any reasnonable person) - now go and save > that cat! What he wants is attention. We had to hear the saga of Henry over the months so that we would feel angst for this poor cat and watch him get abandoned. Now Brian is getting off on telling us about a cat dying in a closet. "Goldangit," he says, as he takes the time to post about it without taking any action at all. But I'm the bad guy. I'd laugh but it's just not funny. "Some people" indeed. And it is no small wonder that this idiot's son just reports the f.cking thing to Daddy and goes off to the prom. Or whatever. Brian makes me sick. >> > >> On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:57:07 -0400, "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >small wonder that this idiot's son just reports the f.cking thing to >Daddy and goes off to the prom. Or whatever. Brian makes me sick. I'm pleased, because instead of a replica of a rational person's response, I've finally driven you to personal invective. Now this gets fun. Glad I've made you sick - perhaps this will drive you to the doctor to get a real diagnosis, and perhaps provide some time dealing with your own issues of self-loathing and Napoleonic delusions. BLink >> >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >> >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >(and would have the support of any reasnonable person) - now go and save >that cat! Hm. Well, the situation is resolved for the time being, which you can see if you follow the thread. Next, Mary is a known kook on this newsgroup, so her rantings are never directed to the animal's well being, but rather to attacking her adversaries. Next, you are possibly underestimating the difficulty in arranging an intervention at a distance of several thousand miles. Have you tried this? Do you know how many telephone numbers are involved in an after-hours animal endangerment issue? I bet you don't. I can tell you though. Next, have you ever dealt on an ongoing basis with a mentally-unstable person (excepting defending Mary)? This is as much a family-engineering issue as it is a pet-welfare issue. My son is going to prom with this woman's daughter. This weekend. He loves her, and the mother holds the keys. The cat's life is held in her hands. The vectors are almost infinite. So, the first post was frustration written while on the line with the Humane Society (after hours) in Sourthern California. Subsequent posts were written while talking with the principals. Pay Mary no heed. Her points are invalidated by her well-established insanity. I don't give a sh.t about Mary's weak attempts at persuasion. I'm the one working on this cat's welfare, and she's just a harridan crowing from the wings, hoping the cat dies so she can win. BLink > >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. > >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, the [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > BLink Why didn't you just take action, instead of posting to Usenet first? You're an idiot. >> >> >> > My son called me to say he was worried about his girfriend's cat. >> >> >> > Again. After what seemed like a pattern of poisoning incidents, [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >Why didn't you just take action, instead of posting to Usenet first? >You're an idiot. Still waiting for your diagnosis, Dr. Nutjob. Case closed - though that would require some reading. Good luck with your electroshock. Aspirin helps, I've heard. BLink Sorry to butt into this "adult bitchfest" But what ever happened to the cat? ( the infighting on this forum is MINDBLOWING) > Sorry to butt into this "adult bitchfest" But what ever happened to the > cat? I believe Brian is still fumbling with his telephone directory ( the infighting on this forum is MINDBLOWING) New to Usenet, are we? >Sorry to butt into this "adult bitchfest" But what ever happened to the >cat? ( the infighting on this forum is MINDBLOWING) See my reply to sriddles above. Summary: Cat is okay for the moment, I'll be onsite tomorrow, and have arranged for local clinics to examine at a reduced rate. If you killfile Mary, you'll see a lot less of the adult bitching, though in her case that's probably a generous overestimation. As I've said before, the signal to noise ratio is much better on this newsgroup than on most that I frequent. Mary's just an entertaining kook. We get our kicks in different ways, I guess. Mary is a hobby of mine, so I admit to fanning the flames. I guess you could killfile me too, since I mostly ask questions atm. BLink > If you killfile Mary, you'll see a lot less of the adult bitching, > though in her case that's probably a generous overestimation. Not if everyone keeps quoting her . . . Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > If you killfile Mary, you'll see a lot less of the adult bitching, > > though in her case that's probably a generous overestimation. > > Not if everyone keeps quoting her . . . I find it so amusing that everyone but me is so concerned about whether or not people read my posts. It just tickles me. >Still waiting for your diagnosis, Dr. Nutjob. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >BLink Brian........I hear you softening a little and it worries me......you aren't thinking about moving in on my woman are you.....?? Our relationship is very fragile at this point you know at any moment the foul mouth will start and that sets our relationship back weeks......careful please......just because she is brainless doesn't mean she cant be a good pers.......well maybe it does mean she can't be a good person..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >Still waiting for your diagnosis, Dr. Nutjob. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > mean she cant be a good pers.......well maybe it does mean she can't > be a good person..... Why is it that dickless men generally call intelligent women who have more courage than they do "brainless?" Hmm, dickless? >> >Still waiting for your diagnosis, Dr. Nutjob. >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Why is it that dickless men generally call intelligent women who have >more courage than they do "brainless?" Hmm, dickless? Why are you so blatantly persuing me if you think I may be without my member......I don't get it........besides that don't be getting me in trouble here I am not interested in women I am interested in you.... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >> >Still waiting for your diagnosis, Dr. Nutjob. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > member......I don't get it........besides that don't be getting me in > trouble here I am not interested in women I am interested in you.... lol! > Again.. multitasking. Typing + talking at the same time. The thorazine > might make this tough for you, but be assured the rest of us can > manage. > BLink sooooo what did you do? about the cat (remember) > > Again.. multitasking. Typing + talking at the same time. The > thorazine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > about the cat (remember) :) > Offer to take the cat to > the vet for them, and foot the bill. Then tell them the cat died, and > find it a decent home. Exactly what I would do! Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> Offer to take the cat to >> the vet for them, and foot the bill. Then tell them the cat died, and >> find it a decent home. > >Exactly what I would do! Paying for treatment I can manage from a distance - managing a decent adoption at the same distance is a bit more difficult of an undertaking. BLink >> Offer to take the cat to >> the vet for them, and foot the bill. Then tell them the cat died, and >> find it a decent home. > >Exactly what I would do! Wow logic........I gotta admit this sounds good.....of course I am not taking on the expense and the riskiness of finding a good home......but almost anyplace will be better than the norm I guess..... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" |
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