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hanson - 11 May 2005 15:33 GMT
Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a tree so
tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I am not sure how
long he was there. When I pulled him out, the lower half of his body
was paralyzed.  That began to get better the next morning.

The next evening, I brought him to the vet.  It appears (after many
tests) that his liver sustained trauma.  His enzyme levels are at 1600
(normal is 100 and "high" is 400, so he is way over).

Of course, I am completely worried that he is not going to make it.  At
least he is at the vet's where he can get the best care possible.  They
rehydrated him with an I.V., but he still has no appetite.

Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.
KellyH - 11 May 2005 16:59 GMT
> Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a tree so
> tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I am not sure how
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> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
> damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.

I don't have any experience with trauma to the liver, just disease that
damages the liver.  I don't know if the liver would recouperate in the same
way.  When the liver is damaged, it does have the ability to regenerate
itself.  I hope this is the case with trauma, too.

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Gail - 11 May 2005 17:02 GMT
I don't know about liver trauma specifically, but I would do all that I
could to get him eating again. Try giving him the water in tuna cans, or
other foods that he might like (ie boiled chicken, fish, etc).
Gail
> Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a tree so
> tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I am not sure how
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> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
> damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.
hanson - 11 May 2005 17:42 GMT
Thanks for your responses... I feel a bit better knowing that the liver
can regenerate.  Man, Peanut was really jammed in the crux of that
tree!!!  He is still at the Vets, so I know he is in good hands.   I am
really hoping that he is ok, and that he can come home tonight...
Mary - 11 May 2005 17:48 GMT
> Thanks for your responses... I feel a bit better knowing that the liver
> can regenerate.  Man, Peanut was really jammed in the crux of that
> tree!!!

Maybe he was up higher and he fell into the crotch of the tree.
That might explain the trauma to his liver. Poor baby.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 May 2005 17:45 GMT
> I don't know about liver trauma specifically, but I would do all that I
> could to get him eating again. Try giving him the water in tuna cans, or
> other foods that he might like (ie boiled chicken, fish, etc).
> Gail
> >   At
> > least he is at the vet's where he can get the best care possible.  

Priscilla
Hopitus - 11 May 2005 17:45 GMT
So he is at the vet's now? Humans can live w/part of their liver
functioning.....but if injured, liver has a rich blood supply, and like
spleen, bleeds like hell. I dunno re cats, though. Prepare yourself for the
worst; I would. Sending strong wishes for your cat to recover. At vet's he
will not suffer; the least of his problems is loss of appetite.
I am sorry but that's my opinion; hope I'm wrong.

>I don't know about liver trauma specifically, but I would do all that I
>could to get him eating again. Try giving him the water in tuna cans, or
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>> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
>> damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.
sriddles@aol.com - 11 May 2005 17:50 GMT
> Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a tree so
> tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I am not sure how
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
> damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.

As others have said, I do know the liver can regenerate itself. My cat
was down to 60% liver function and it healed itself. Eating well is
crucial to his recovery. Also, my cat got B vitamins in a liquid form,
which the vet told me are good to help liver function. You might ask
your vet about this. I really hope he makes it. Please keep us updated.

Sherry
bowensanders - 11 May 2005 21:42 GMT
We're sending Peanut our purrs.

This might sound like a bit of an odd set of things to think about now
with your situation, but bear with me. If you have the opportunity to
have Peanut's teeth cleaned before coming home, it might be good,
otherwise try to keep an eye on them. Ask your vet about the best diet
possible from now on as well. Organ damage has the best chance of
regenerating (this goes for things like longevity as well) when the
body doesn't have to do much to fight off any infections or process a
harsh amount of chemistry to keep going. Your vet will know how to
bring needed liver function down in dietary ways, thereby allowing it
to heal more easily.

If you believe in holistic and/or alternative therapies, you might want
to (eventually, when the wounds heal, as it were) consider
possibilities like massage and accupuncture. I'd be willing to bet that
justt about any good "real" accupuncturist, especially one groomed in
East Asia, will know how to provide accupuncture on small animals. They
will definately know someone who will, if they dont. As far as
therapeutic massage, or any of the other possibilites in this arena,
you can probably get some good answers on the list.

Now, back to the teeth. The mouth is where 80% of all pathogens enter
the body in a non-traumatic way, in humans, in cats it's only slightly
lower because they're primarily nose-breathers. Since the mouth is this
great point of entry, its also a great breeding ground for bacteria and
disease. As a rule, cats have pretty clean mouths *except* in cases
where tooth decay is present. Tooth decay is the cause of so many
'unidentifiable' problems its silly. Laurel's parents had a siamese for
about 15 years who started to go downhill becuase of liver and kidney
problems which, after a long period of trying to keep it under control
was discovered to be simply an underlying symptom of untreated abcesses
due to tooth problems. She got her teeth fixed, and got very healthy
and lived almost two more years much happier for it.

During that time, they controlled her diet and kept her organ function
in-line even for the horrible undiagnosed problems going on.

The moral of the story: We send your cat our love, we hope Peanut makes
it through OK, and remember 'the tooth' and ask about a diet. It will
help if nothing else can.

bowensanders & laurelnoelle
www.bowensanders.com will soon have the kitty scrapbook up...
Adam Helberg - 12 May 2005 01:10 GMT
> Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a tree so
> tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I am not sure how
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> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or Liver
> damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.

My cat Freddy became sick about a year ago with vomiting, diarrhea and jaundice. His
liver enzymes were also elevated and I thought he may die. But with supportive
therapy (IV, feeding, antibiotics) be bounced back and is back to normal.  I think as
long as the original cause of liver injury is gone he should recover.

Adam
.oO rach Oo. - 12 May 2005 01:15 GMT
I don't know anything about livers but I send lots of purrs
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Cheryl - 12 May 2005 03:18 GMT
> Two nights ago, I found my cat, Peanut, wedged in the crux of a
> tree so tightly that he could not move.  But he was wailing.  I
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> Does anyone have experience with Liver trauma in general, or
> Liver damage in general?  I just don't know what to expect.

First, I read about your ordeal, but had nothing to advise, so
didn't but I'm glad you got him to the vet. After reading this
latest, though, I'm wondering what were the enzymes that were
elavated? Some enzymes (Alanine aminotranferease (ALT) and
aspartate aminotransferase (AST)) that are predominantly located
in the liver are also present in skeletal muscle and can leak into
the bloodstream due to trauma. I had a cat who had liver disease
but he also had an ordeal that required surgery and the vet
injured his esophagus and soft pallet, and due to the injuries,
his ALT and AST were severly increased but as he healed, they went
down. It wasn't related at all to his liver disease.

I hope he gets well soon and don't beat yourself up so much.

Here's a brief description of those enzymes:
http://www.rnceus.com/lf/lfast.html

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"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with
baited breath." - W.C. Fields

hanson - 13 May 2005 17:59 GMT
Thanks for your responses, everyone.  I have read ALL of your messages
carefully, and considered all advice.

Peanut has been at the vets for a few days now, and he is looking much
better, though he is still a bit lethargic.  Liver enzyme levels have
returned almost all the way back to normal, in just 2 days.  That is
good news.

There are only two issues left:
#1 His appetite is not back to normal... in fact he still will not eat
unless force fed.  The Vet suspects that when I take him home and he
gets some lovin's from his Daddy (me), he may gain his appetite back...
I will keep a close eye on him when I take him home tonight after work.

#2 His back left leg is still gimpy, but he can get around.  The Vet
said this is nerve damage that should heal up over the next 60 days...
the vet was quite confident about that!!!

So things are looking good.  I am incredibly relieved.

I'd like to thank everyone for their good wishes and positive vibes.
Your responses made me feel much better during a very stressful time...
I wish you, and your loved ones the best.

Sincerely...
bowensanders - 13 May 2005 22:15 GMT
We're so happy to hear the good news.

As for #2:
Our friend that is having the kitten overpopulation problem (see la
spay/neuter post) had a cat we named Greyfoot, who was bit in the back
of the neck and skull by their large dog. He had a traumatic enough
brain and spinal cord injury that it was suspected that all he would
ever be able to do anymore would be flip around like a fish out of
water like he was when they pulled the dog off of him. He was still
only four months old at the time.
Though he had a very rough few months, with constant care, loving and
help, he was able to overcome most of his injury - though we suspect
that because he had so much trouble walking for so long that he
continues to pace around and constantly walk now because of it.
This obvious brain damage is also looking like it's doing a lot better
another six months later.

The moral of this story: The nervous system is a very miraculous
healer. You give it one solid connection and new dendrites will sprout
at every neural junction. Every time you see your kitty sleeping and
s/he looks like they are dreaming (running, kicking, eating in their
sleep, and other such things) you can rest assured that their nervous
system is busy growing new neural connections and repairing itself and
learning new pathways it can use to overcome any injury - or even
dealing with new learnings and tricks etc.

Working on play and tricks as physical therapy would probably help a
lot. Challenge the mind and the body will follow.

A big ol' fat purr to Peanut.

bowensanders & laurelnoelle
www.bowensanders.com will soon have the kitty scrapbook.
Candace - 13 May 2005 22:17 GMT
> So things are looking good.  I am incredibly relieved.
>
> I'd like to thank everyone for their good wishes and positive vibes.
> Your responses made me feel much better during a very stressful time...
> I wish you, and your loved ones the best.

That's wonderful news!  Best wishes to Peanut for a speedy recovery and
hope he starts eating when you get him home.  Sometimes if you warm
the food up a little, it makes it more smelly and palatable and/or add
a little water to it so it is mushier.  There is also Hill's a/d which
is made for sick kitties (it is the consistency of pudding and high in
protein) and human baby food (make sure it has no onions) will often
appeal to them.

Good luck,
Candace
Slimpickins - 13 May 2005 22:51 GMT
> Thanks for your responses, everyone.  I have read ALL of your messages
> carefully, and considered all advice.
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>
> Sincerely...

**Hi Hanson,

Well. I just saw this post, so disregard my last post question about his
eating :-). Before you take him home with you, buy a few jars of "Gerber"
brand, 'veal', or 'ham' baby food to feed him after* you bring him home.
Also, I'd suggest buying him some BoarsHead oven-roasted turkey at your
local deli. The key is to get him eating again, and stimulate his appetite
long term. Lastly ( and I haven't known many cats at all that could dare
resist this :-) buy him a fried chicken breast, then break off some of the
meat, in very small, bite-size pieces, and offer it to him. Make sure he
also has lots of fresh water available.

Good luck, and please keep us in the loop (about him) and how it's going.

ML
Diane L. Schirf - 14 May 2005 00:35 GMT
> There are only two issues left:
> #1 His appetite is not back to normal... in fact he still will not eat
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>
> So things are looking good.  I am incredibly relieved.

Keep us informed as he gets better.

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