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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Vent/Rant - Persians
Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased for their beauty and status as a "rich person's cat", but then neglected because they require so much work. We get yet another Persian in horrible condition in today at the shelter. I wasn't doing the intakes today as I normally do (needed a day off) and it's probably a good thing this person didn't get me. This woman had this poor cat for four years and finally decides to give him up because he's "too much work". Well, he must have been too much work for the past four years, too. He's all white, but yellowish in places, had fleas (indoor-only, supposedly), badly matted, severe conjunctivitis, ear mites, yeast, polyps, and some other bacteria I'd never heard of. His ears were so bad that the vet said the meds may not clear it up, and he will have to have part of his ear canals removed. We get cats in poor condition all the time, but mostly strays. Persians, owned pets that someone paid hundred of dollars for, almost always come in worse than the average moggie. My feral trapper friend caught a Persian when she was trying to trap a pregnant female. She asked around the neighborhood, found who he belonged to, and the owner signed him over to the shelter without hesitation. Said she put him outside because she couldn't deal with him anymore. We got another Persian about a month ago from Animal Control, found by the dumpsters at the mall, badly matted and underweight, only 4 lbs. My only real point is that I don't see any other breed consistently entering the shelter in such horrible shape. It's very sad. I wish people would do research before they impulse buy such a high maintenance cat.  Signature-Kelly > Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe > and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased for [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the shelter in such horrible shape. It's very sad. I wish people would do > research before they impulse buy such a high maintenance cat. This is probably a very indepth question, but what about Persians require more work than normal cats? Do you have to do more work b/c of their long hair? Are they prone to more illness? I never thought I would want one b/c I assumed they lost a lot of hair and it would be a pain to clean up. Just curious : ) > This is probably a very indepth question, but what about Persians require > more work than normal cats? Do you have to do more work b/c of their long [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just > curious : ) I've never had a Persian myself, but from what I've been told they need to be brushed daily. Their hair is long and fine and very prone to matting. They are more prone to illnesses. particularly respiratory and eye infections due to their smushed in faces. Persians can also be very needy cats, and tend to bond to one person. Signature-Kelly > This woman had this poor > cat for four years and finally decides to give him up because he's "too much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > vet said the meds may not clear it up, and he will have to have part of his > ear canals removed. Geez, I felt a cyst on Pudge's tail once and the veterinarian look at her the next day. I couldn't stand the idea of her being in less than perfect health. How could anyone let a cat get so sick? How hard is it to take care of Persians, anyway? I ask because I'm not sure what Pudge was but she had thick, long, tendency-to-mat undercoat, and it wasn't like she required hours a day of physical maintenance (which I could have done a better job of, granted). Good luck . . . Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > Geez, I felt a cyst on Pudge's tail once and the veterinarian look at > her the next day. I couldn't stand the idea of her being in less than > perfect health. How could anyone let a cat get so sick? I really don't know. It makes me sick seeing the condition some people let their cats get in. > How hard is it to take care of Persians, anyway? I ask because I'm not > sure what Pudge was but she had thick, long, tendency-to-mat undercoat, > and it wasn't like she required hours a day of physical maintenance > (which I could have done a better job of, granted). See my other reply. They do require daily brushing, not hours, though. That's too much for some people to handle, I guess. Signature-Kelly > They do require daily brushing, not hours, though. How hard can it be? Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > How hard can it be? Exactly. Not that hard, but apparently beyond some people's capabilities. Signature-Kelly >> They do require daily brushing, not hours, though. > > How hard can it be? Not hard, but definitely time-consuming. My first cat was feral but definitely a Persian mix (but this was years ago before some breeders ruined the beautiful Persian face to develop that squashed-in look -- and created breathing problems along with it). He had to be *very* carefully combed and brushed over every inch of his body. Otherwise, he would quickly begin to develop mats that would compact very tightly to his body. Since he was feral, you can imagine the sad shape he was in when I adopted him. This was a procedure that I actually enjoyed, and eventually so did he. However, it certainly was not a routine where a person could count on setting aside just a few minutes a day and assume that the "brushing" would be finished. MaryL > Not hard, but definitely time-consuming. My first cat was feral but > definitely a Persian mix (but this was years ago before some [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > count on setting aside just a few minutes a day and assume that the > "brushing" would be finished. I'm thinking, man, if Oscar had to be thoroughly brushed every day, she ... wouldn't be. She barely allows me to brush her back every now and then; trying to touch her belly would never be tolerated. If I'd realized it's considered normal to handle paws and belly and whatnot when they're kittens, maybe things would be different, but I was new to cats and just figured, hey, if she doesn't like it, I won't do it. So I guess this just re-emphasizes that you really have to know what you're doing with these cats; if you don't socialize them from a young age, or get lucky with being able to socialize a feral, they're going to be miserable their whole lives. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> Not hard, but definitely time-consuming. My first cat was feral but >> definitely a Persian mix (but this was years ago before some [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > age, or get lucky with being able to socialize a feral, they're going > to be miserable their whole lives. I'd be the first person on the block to have a Persian with a body Crew Cut. LOL Little butchwax down the backside ... Hahhahhaha. > I'd be the first person on the block to have a Persian with a body Crew Cut. > LOL Little butchwax down the backside ... Hahhahhaha. That's not such a dumb idea. I have a friend with 2 persians, and every 6 months they get a crew cut by a professional groomer. It's solved the problem of un-brushable matted fur. Helen M >> I'd be the first person on the block to have a Persian with a body >> Crew Cut. LOL Little butchwax down the backside ... Hahhahhaha. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Helen M Yup... shaved pussy cat. Do a Desert Storm Marine shave head (medium on the topside, very trim on the sides) and shave all but the tail where we leave a furball on the end, spray painted kaki camouflage. How about a pair of mirrored sunglasses? }B^) > Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe > and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased for [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > -Kelly ***I so agree with you, Kelly. It is indeed very sad, and I've, personally, always thought Persians were very odd looking creatures. It's amazing what we humans will do to animals, all for supposedly our own (stupid and selfish) 'benefit'. When will we ever learn. ML > > Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe > > and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > we humans will do to animals, all for supposedly our own (stupid and > selfish) 'benefit'. When will we ever learn. Right. Like the way you said you intend to BREED your cat? Because there can be no cat "so special." > > -Kelly > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ML Persians *are* odd-looking creatures, but they weren't always. Breeders have just ruined the breed, IMO. They've bred selectively for the flat face until they've not only screwed up the poor cat's appearance, but it's health, also. Check out this photo of a vintage postcard; this is a Persian, circa 1918. Beautiful cat. But looks nothing like the persians of today. Sherry sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > > -Kelly > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sherry Oops. Here's the link. http://www.edwardian-delights.com/vh6540.jpg Sherry > sridd...@aol.com wrote: >> Check out this photo of a vintage postcard; this is a Persian, circa [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Looks like a normal cat! ... Er, I guess that's the point, right? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > sridd...@aol.com wrote: > >> Check out this photo of a vintage postcard; this is a Persian, circa [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ... Er, I guess that's the point, right? Yes. <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message >> Persians *are* odd-looking creatures, but they weren't always. > Breeders [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.edwardian-delights.com/vh6540.jpg Now THAT looks like a cat! Signature-Kelly > sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > > > -Kelly [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Sherry What breeders have done to this once beautiful cat is a crime. > > Persians *are* odd-looking creatures, but they weren't always. > Breeders [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.edwardian-delights.com/vh6540.jpg They could breed them back to the way they were. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >Persians *are* odd-looking creatures, but they weren't always. Breeders >have just ruined the breed, IMO. They've bred selectively for the flat >face until they've not only screwed up the poor cat's appearance, but >it's health, also. Check out this photo of a vintage postcard; this is >a Persian, circa 1918. Beautiful cat. But looks nothing like the >persians of today. They have done that to dogs, too. It's warped and counter-productive. I have a solution, but it would require the support of trendsetters and celebrities, etc. Here is my solution: Start holding very high-toned pet shows in which neutered, non-breeding specimens are rated for overall health, appearance and comportment rather than a specific phenotype with extreme features that are often unwholesome. It would be black-tie, formal gowns, lotsa money on display everywhere... make it clear that this is the new chic amongst well-heeled animal connoiseurs, to go out there and canvass the shelters and barnyards and FIND that exceptional pet. You could have categories like "best all-black cat," "friendliest cat," "best cat under 8 pounds," etc. These animals couldn't be bred because who knows what recessives lurk in their genetics. Hence every new champion would have to be found from the population of animals, and the people with the most discerning eyes, rather than the most inbred genetic stock, would capture the prize. Breeders would still have a role, but they would be free to focus on real animal quality metrics instead of arbitrary breed standards. Charlie >> Persians *are* odd-looking creatures, but they weren't always. >> Breeders have just ruined the breed, IMO. They've bred selectively [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > You could have categories like "best all-black cat," "friendliest > cat," "best cat under 8 pounds," etc. snip Charlie One of my favorites: Best bird catcher. Put three felines who are strange to each other in a large cage with a few parakeets. The first cat to nail a bird WINS!!! I love birds ... roasted. >> Start holding very high-toned pet shows in which neutered, >> non-breeding specimens are rated for overall health, appearance and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >to each other in a large cage with a few parakeets. The first cat to nail a >bird WINS!!! I love birds ... roasted. That is a fine idea. Anyone who complained could be referred to an illustrious precedent -- the Vice President and de facto Prime Minister of the U.S. He shot about 75 pheasants in a two-hour canned hunt last summer. You proposed cat competition is at least as sporting if not much more so. Alternatively, you could use great-horned owls and have a contest for "toughest fucken cat around." Charlie >>> Start holding very high-toned pet shows in which neutered, >>> non-breeding specimens are rated for overall health, appearance and [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Charlie Not very similar. In the Best Bird Catcher event, you have the potential for a cat fight leaving the parakeets to watch, you have the cat/bird hunt, and you have the potential for another cat trying to steal the captured bird. A three for one event! ;-) > Start holding very high-toned pet shows in which neutered, > non-breeding specimens are rated for overall health, appearance and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > new chic amongst well-heeled animal connoiseurs, to go out there and > canvass the shelters and barnyards and FIND that exceptional pet. <snip> I love it!! What a great idea. Signature-Kelly > Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe > and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased for [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the shelter in such horrible shape. It's very sad. I wish people would do > research before they impulse buy such a high maintenance cat. We adopted our Fluffer from the SPCA years ago. He looked like a Persian should - beautiful regular cat face, the typical Persian build, with the long luxurious fur. At any rate he was left at the SPCA because he had fleas but the previous owners said he'd never been outside. Yea right! That's why when we were shaving the mats off we found leaves in the middle of them. He weighted 6 lbs. when we brought him home and this was a cat who went 15 normally without being fat. <sigh> at least the owner took the cat to a shelter. Then there are the people who move and put their cats out and leave them behind, the pregnant cats who are locked out because people don't want to deal with the kittens, the people who think feline birth control is drowning the kittens when they find them...... We have a cat now who was left on the side of the road in a cat carrier. If the vet tech at our vet hadn't noticed the carrier and investigated, the cat would have starved to death. She's probably a year or so old and isn't spayed. > At any rate he was left at the SPCA because he had fleas > but the previous owners said he'd never been outside. Yea right! That's why > when we were shaving the mats off we found leaves in the middle of them. Clearly they were leaves that had been tracked inside! </sarcasm> Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > Poor Persians. Bred for a feature which makes it hard for them to breathe > > and leaves them susceptible to upper respiratory infections. Purchased [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > investigated, the cat would have starved to death. She's probably a year or > so old and isn't spayed. I'm sure this has been expressed before but I just *cannot* stand the way some people treat their animals... cats, dogs, horses, etc. At our house, we can't watch Animal Planet unless we make sure the Animal Cops show isn't on because I will start tearing up as soon as I see it. How some people can neglect their 'beloved pets' is just amazing! I saw a horse once that had its mane shaved, every rib sticking out and a hole in its neck from the bad care it received. I have always thought the best remedy is to let the people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same manner so they can understand what harm is being done! Of course, it will never happen, but it does make me feel a little better instead of just being outraged and helpless. > I'm sure this has been expressed before but I just *cannot* stand the way > some people treat their animals... cats, dogs, horses, etc. At our house, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > happen, but it does make me feel a little better instead of just being > outraged and helpless. Same here. I can't watch that show, either. I've thought of that before, too. Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living creature should have the same thing done to them. It's sick, and I don't understand how people can do things like that. I know what I see at our shelter is nothing compared to other places, but it still gets to me sometimes. Signature-Kelly Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living creature should > have the same thing done to them. It's sick, and I don't understand how > people can do things like that.> > -- > -Kelly You go, girl. It's never too late for a career change....I want you to consider going to law school and becoming this county's next DA :-) Seriously, it's hard to prosecute any kind of animal abuse case when the district attorney isn't sympathetic toward animal issues. They're still calling me "Little Bo Peep" at the sheriff's office over a sheep neglect case from five years ago. Sherry > Kelly wrote: > Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living creature should [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Sherry The Sheriff officers think you're a bit "out there." You really have to work at getting a personal title with a cop, Sherry. <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message > You go, girl. It's never too late for a career change....I want you to > consider going to law school and becoming this county's next DA :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry True, and the laws on the books suck for the most part anyway. New Hampshire and Massachusetts are getting better, but in many places animal abuse is still a misdemeanor. Pay a fine, like you peed on the sidewalk or something. Juvenile cases of animal abuse need to be taken seriously, too. These kids have something wrong with them, and they need intervention. It's not a joke. Signature-Kelly > Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living > creature should [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > They're still calling me "Little Bo Peep" at the sheriff's office > over a sheep neglect case from five years ago. I'd imagine it would be hard to be a lawyer trying these kinds of cases ... like the animal cops, the lawyers can't yell at the people or hit them. They have to be polite, and they have to give them their legal rights ... and they have to let them go if that's what the judge decides. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living > > creature should [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully It largely depends on the DA's attitude about animals, and his personal definition of "abuse", whether he decides to prosecute, IMO. The laws are vague. Our DA refused to prosecute a man who shot a neighbor's clean through with an arrow, because the cat was on the man's property, and she had been warned. The cat was still writhing when we got there, and had to euth-ed on the spot. He was within his rights to remove the cat from his property, yes. But he could have called Animal Control. Also, year-old calves deprived of water until their tongues swell in 90-degree heat, then turned loose in a dead run and having their necks jerked so severely it sometimes breaks them, fits my definition of abuse. But around here they call it a rodeo. Sherry >>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living >>> creature should [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Sherry Calves liver is pretty good with horseradish/mayo and grilled onions. ;^) > >>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living > >>> creature should [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Calves liver is pretty good with horseradish/mayo and grilled onions. ;^) UGH liver and onions! I feel like Im back at home again... I always got out of eating it until my sister moved back home with her 3 kids and gave them the "You can't leave the table until you finish your meal and you need to try a little of everything," speech and then it applied to me b/c I had to "set an example" for them. *shUddEr* >>>>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living >>>>> creature should [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > meal and you need to try a little of everything," speech and then it > applied to me b/c I had to "set an example" for them. *shUddEr* Love liver (hold the onions), both beef & chicken. Mom too. But Sis, she like chicken *gizzards*.... Dad & Bro barely tolerated liver, and I wouldn't touch gizzards :P >>>>>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living >>>>>> creature should [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Sis, she like chicken *gizzards*.... Dad & Bro barely tolerated > liver, and I wouldn't touch gizzards :P Chicken livers, lamb kidneys, with baked beans. Where it not for the baked beans, my last cat would insist on sharing my meal! >>>>>>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another >>>>>>> living creature should [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Chicken livers, lamb kidneys, with baked beans. Where it not for the > baked beans, my last cat would insist on sharing my meal! Last time I fixed myself a plate of fried chicken livers - I almost didn't get any myself! I had to fix a small plate for Moocher Moe, adn then one for Smokey (heaven help us if they share), and then Weeble, Ernie, Mimi, Tennessee, Ping & Lizzie wanted a taste, too. Gonna have to get me a large cage & assemble it around the table, to keep the cats *away* from us when we eat. Ever see sharks at a feeding frenzy???? Or Pirhanna??? Imagine that, only on the kitchen floor, and they're furry-cute cats, instead of sharks! SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >>>>> Kelly wrote: Anyone who neglects, abuses, tortures another living >>>>> creature should [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > meal and you need to try a little of everything," speech and then it > applied to me b/c I had to "set an example" for them. *shUddEr* Hey, it's not like she was shoving kreplach down your gullet with a milk chaser, ya know!! LOL > How some people can > neglect their 'beloved pets' is just amazing! I saw a horse once that had > its mane shaved, every rib sticking out and a hole in its neck from the bad > care it received. You mean the care it hadn't received. :( Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > I have always thought the best remedy is to let the > people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same manner so > they can understand what harm is being done! Of course, it will never > happen, but it does make me feel a little better instead of just being > outraged and helpless. Aha! When I see people just screaming and screaming irrationally at their kids for no particular reason (I mean, the kid had usually just done a kid thing, like skipping on the sidewalk, horrors), I feel like taking them into a room and having someone screech at them for hours on end, with no recourse, so they get to know what it's like to be a kid at the mercy of an idiot parent. </rant> Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > I have always thought the best remedy is to let the > > people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same manner so [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > </rant> I wonder if there is a correlation between the people who scream/hit/abuse their children and the people who scream/hit/abuse their animals? > I wonder if there is a correlation between the people who scream/hit/abuse > their children and the people who scream/hit/abuse their animals? There is- see http://groups.msn.com/AllBreedAnimalRescueAndReferral/yourwebpage2.msnw for a list of stuff on this Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >>> I have always thought the best remedy is to let the >>> people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > scream/hit/abuse their children and the people who scream/hit/abuse > their animals? And while you're at it, draw a ratio of women to men who resort to screaming and emotional abuse as their chosen "training tool." ;-) > > I have always thought the best remedy is to let the > > people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same manner so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Aha! When I see people just screaming and screaming irrationally at > their kids for no particular reason (I mean, the kid had usually just > done a kid thing, like skipping on the sidewalk, horrors), I feel like > taking them into a room and having someone screech at them for hours on > end, with no recourse, so they get to know what it's like to be a kid at > the mercy of an idiot parent. > > </rant> Heh. Your forgot something. In addition to being locked in a room and having someone screech at them for hours, they need to have someone in there who will also "yank" on their arms incessantly. I was in Wal Mart checkout behind a screeching arm-yanking mother the other day. That's a circle of hell in itself not only for the child but the spectator. Sherry > > Aha! When I see people just screaming and screaming irrationally at > > their kids for no particular reason (I mean, the kid had usually just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > checkout behind a screeching arm-yanking mother the other day. That's a > circle of hell in itself not only for the child but the spectator. I didn't forget; I just really didn't want to get that warmed up to the subject, because I could go on . . . and on . . . and on . . . Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> I have always thought the best remedy is to let the >> people who treat their animals that way be treated in the same [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > </rant> Then your social skills are wanting. Your feelings are interpreting one moment in time where that parent has MANY MANY experiences where the kid has initiated a power struggle. Nobody starts out yelling. Matter of fact when our kids were young and rebellious, my wife would say in private: "You get more respect from just clearing your throat than I do from explaining and lecturing." > I'm sure this has been expressed before but I just *cannot* stand the way > some people treat their animals... cats, dogs, horses, etc. At our house, > we can't watch Animal Planet unless we make sure the Animal Cops show isn't > on because I will start tearing up as soon as I see it. How some people can > neglect their 'beloved pets' is just amazing! What killed me last night was the fat woman who had left her dog chained in her kitchen and starved him nearly to death. In her KITCHEN, meaning that she had to fix meals with him standing there starving. And he is the sweetest dog. He gained 12 pounds in two days. That was on Animal Precinct. "Wendy" <wendyzpart@nospam.com> wrote in news:yKqdnaeoJe0TcxzfRVn- 3Q@comcast.com: > At any rate he was left at the SPCA because he had fleas > but the previous owners said he'd never been outside. Yea right! In all fairness, it is possible for cats to get fleas without going outside. My cat Nickleby, who never went outside in his youth, got fleas one time that I had apparently tracked in. It was a terrace-level apartment with carpeting. I didn't even know that could happen before it happened to us. SignatureCatherine & Rosalie the calico > "Wendy" <wendyzpart@nospam.com> wrote in news:yKqdnaeoJe0TcxzfRVn- > 3Q@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with carpeting. I didn't even know that could happen before it happened to > us. It happened to me when I lived on a lake where the soil was sandy and the weather tropical. I tracked them in and my cat got them. > "Wendy" <wendyzpart@nospam.com> wrote in news:yKqdnaeoJe0TcxzfRVn- > 3Q@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with carpeting. I didn't even know that could happen before it happened to > us. Yes, this can happen, but anyone who spends even a modicum of time caring for a cat should notice the presence of fleas long before it gets to the point of a major infestation (and he certainly would *not* have had leaves embedded within fur mats, as described here). MaryL > In all fairness, it is possible for cats to get fleas without going > outside. My cat Nickleby, who never went outside in his youth, got fleas > one time that I had apparently tracked in. It was a terrace-level > apartment > with carpeting. I didn't even know that could happen before it happened to > us. That is true. I had fleas in my house and I'm not exactly sure how they got in. But still, I'm talking about a cat in horrible shape. If they had been brushing him at all, they would have noticed the fleas. Signature-Kelly > "Wendy" <wendyzpart@nospam.com> wrote in news:yKqdnaeoJe0TcxzfRVn- > 3Q@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > terrace-level apartment with carpeting. I didn't even know that could > happen before it happened to us. Agreed. |
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