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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Bengals vaccine side effects
Two weeks ago I brought home our two new Bengal kittens - Jasper and Beau - they were 3 months old and when they left the breeder's home they were both healthy and playing happily. The kittens had just had their booster - when they had the first jab the breeder said they had 'stiff legs' for a short while but soon got over it - but one of their brothers wasnt able to walk - the vet said she thought it was a reaction to the 'live vaccine'. On the journey home Jasper went mad and raced around the walls of the carrier - when he emerged when we got home he wasnt able to walk - his left leg was limp and his back end was wobbly. The breeder came to look and said it was the same as his brother (definitely not a broken leg) and likely a reaction to the vaccine. Beau was fine and explored his new home - poor Jasper had to be carried everywhere. Jasper is starting to improve now and can just about manage to hobble around occasionally but now Beau has a problem with his back and has lost control of his back legs and is dragging himself around with his front legs - poor thing. It looks like the stress of the journey caused Jasper to get the reaction before Beau - I am worried that they wont fully recover - its so sad to see them hobbling around when they should be running around - has anyone else experienced this? > It looks like the stress of the > journey caused Jasper to get the reaction before Beau - I am worried that > they wont fully recover - its so sad to see them hobbling around when they > should be running around - has anyone else experienced this? Hi Mandarina, I am so sorry to hear your kitty had this reaction. I haven't experienced this particular one, but one of my cats has asthma, which I firmly believe is related to vaccinosis. I think your Jasper will most likely recover just fine. However, if he were my cat, I don't think I'd be vaccinating him in the future, as it's possible the next reaction could be more severe. This website has some links that you might find useful http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html Also, www.catshots.com is another site that has vaccine information. Healing hugs to Jasper, Lauren Thanks for the links and the advice. I'll keep looking and hopefully find something out there to explain whats happening to my two boys. I had some really sad news today - one of Jasper and Beau's brothers - who had the worst reaction to the first jab - died at the weekend. The vet thinks it is probably related to the medication they gave the poor little thing for pain relief. We havent given ours anything as they dont seem to be in a lot of pain - thank goodness - but its even more worrying to think what happened to poor Barney. I certainly will not be looking to get them vaccinated again - I'm sure we can manage without - and perhaps there is something more natural which might help - still I have a year before we need to think about it. Lets hope we get to that point with two healthy cats! Mandarina > Thanks for the links and the advice. I'll keep looking and hopefully > find something out there to explain whats happening to my two boys. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mandarina This is going to come off as alarmist but I will risk it. You are allowing your two healthy cats a year before you fork them over again to that same assassin vet in the name of good health? Go gnaw on that for awhile. Stop trying to fix what ain't broke. Good grief! > Thanks for the links and the advice. I'll keep looking and hopefully find > something out there to explain whats happening to my two boys. You are most welcome :) > I had some really sad news today - one of Jasper and Beau's brothers - who > had the worst reaction to the first jab - died at the weekend. The vet > thinks it is probably related to the medication they gave the poor little > thing for pain relief. We havent given ours anything as they dont seem to > be in a lot of pain - thank goodness - but its even more worrying to think > what happened to poor Barney. Oh no :( > I certainly will not be looking to get them vaccinated again - I'm sure we > can manage without - and perhaps there is something more natural which > might help - still I have a year before we need to think about it. Lets > hope we get to that point with two healthy cats! I would highly recommend joining this list at Yahoo. I have learned so much there. Let me know if the link doesn't work: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs Lauren > Thanks for the links and the advice. I'll keep looking and hopefully find > something out there to explain whats happening to my two boys. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > might help - still I have a year before we need to think about it. Lets > hope we get to that point with two healthy cats! If the cats are finished with the kitten series FVRCP- They don't need another panleuk vax for life. However, since they came from a cattery, I'd probably go with the *intranasal* herpes and calicivirus vaccines every 3 years or so since they could be asymptomatic carriers. FeLV/FIV/FIP vaccines are totally unnecessary. If rabies vaccinations are required by law in your state, demand *only* the Purevax vaccine. This vaccine doesn't contain adjuvants. Most vaccine reactions and vaccine-associated-sarcomas have been associated with vaccines containing adjuvants. <SNIP> >If the cats are finished with the kitten series FVRCP- They don't need >another panleuk vax for life. However, since they came from a cattery, I'd [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >contain adjuvants. Most vaccine reactions and vaccine-associated-sarcomas >have been associated with vaccines containing adjuvants. What about distemper vaccines? Two of mine are due for their shots next week. They have to have rabies by law, but what do I make sure of for distemper? > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > week. They have to have rabies by law, but what do I make sure of for > distemper? Distemper is the "P" in the FVRCP vaccine. After the initial kitten series and first year booster, the cats are solidly immunized for at least 8 years and probably for life. You might want to consider the Ultranasal FVRC (rhinotracheitis virus and calicivirus) in case your cats are asymptomatic carriers. The new Heska bivalent FVRC is administered only in the nose and no longer in the eyes. Btw, add PetGuard to our list of acceptable foods (Turkey & Rice: .23% Ph DMB; Rabbit: .21% Ph DMB; even the dry is acceptable .77% Ph DMB). Phil >> <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >carriers. The new Heska bivalent FVRC is administered only in the nose and >no longer in the eyes. My cats are indoor/outdoor, but outdoor is only in their enclosure. The closest they can get to any other cats/animals is when one occasionally comes up to the fence. Can I safely forego all vaccines except the rabies (required by law)? >Btw, add PetGuard to our list of acceptable foods (Turkey & Rice: .23% Ph >DMB; Rabbit: .21% Ph DMB; even the dry is acceptable .77% Ph DMB). > >Phil Added! I **May** have had problems with one of the cats on the Fancy Feast. Ivan has had chronic butt-dragging for a few months. It turned into chronic diarrhea 2 months ago. The vet first expressed his anal glands, which seemed to improve him for a few days. Then it was back to very bad runs again. I fed him plain yogurt, which once again improved things, but the runs soon returned. This time, the vet prescribed Purina EN, which he wouldn't touch, except for small bites. However, in the few days he was on it, the runs cleared up. I decided to slowly add back his regular foods, to see if one of them was causing the problem. Wellness dry and canned didn't cause any problems. The Fancy Feast seemed to cause his stools to start to get soft pretty quickly, though. The other 3 cats are fine with it. Will repeat the experiment again when his stools go back to normal again to be sure of it. > >> <SNIP> > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > comes up to the fence. Can I safely forego all vaccines except the > rabies (required by law)? Does "occasionally comes up to the fence" mean they can touch each other (nose-to-nose) through the fence? If yes, either cover the outside of the enclosure with screening so the cats can't touch to avoid transmission of FVR & FCV, or go for the 2/way *Ultranasal* vaccine every 3 or 4 years. Cats don't develop life-long immunity to FVR & FCV and both can be spread quite easily and quickly by nose-to-nose contact or sneezing. > >Btw, add PetGuard to our list of acceptable foods (Turkey & Rice: .23% Ph > >DMB; Rabbit: .21% Ph DMB; even the dry is acceptable .77% Ph DMB). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 3 cats are fine with it. Will repeat the experiment again when his > stools go back to normal again to be sure of it. Maybe the first transition was to abrupt? Sometimes changing a food all at once causes diarrhea. Try adding small amounts (10%) of FF to his regular food- make the complete transition take about 10-14 days. My cats have adapted quite well eating different foods, so, if any of them get diarrhea, I know its medical or the food and not caused by the change of diet. Phil >> >> <SNIP> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >Cats don't develop life-long immunity to FVR & FCV and both can be spread >quite easily and quickly by nose-to-nose contact or sneezing. No, they never make any contact whatsoever. The cats will come within 6 feet or so of each other and stare. It's very unusual anyway for the cats to come around as it is. But they're not friendly with each other, so there's no nose touching. >> >Btw, add PetGuard to our list of acceptable foods (Turkey & Rice: .23% Ph >> >DMB; Rabbit: .21% Ph DMB; even the dry is acceptable .77% Ph DMB). [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Phil I'll try that. In the mean time, they've been on Wellness for awhile now. Think I'll buy some Hill's again and also see if I can find some Pet Guard. >> It looks like the stress of the >> journey caused Jasper to get the reaction before Beau - I am worried [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > might find useful > http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html snip > Lauren It would seem my observations over time are in accord with the lady author Betty Louis: "When I started to write this article, I decided to see if there were any trends I could discover by looking back in my own history as a Registered Veterinary Technician. " snip "By the late 1980s, animals were showing severe signs of illnesses. Even more diseases began to be commonplace such as dental diseases, kidney failure, hypothyroid (dogs), hyperthyroid (cats), diabetes continued in dogs, but now emerged in cats as well, cardiomyopathy, cancers, and serious autoimmunities such as lupus, myasthenia gravis and others." "From the late 1990s to the present, all of the above diseases continue across breed lines, sometimes across species lines and there are new problems being added all the time. IBD/IBS (inflammatory bowel disease/syndrome) was unheard of when I left veterinary practice in 1987 to open my holistic consulting business, but is now nearly at epidemic proportions. Seizures and temperament problems are common now and there are more cancers and autoimmune diseases." I find this trend to be incredibly alarming. When charted in this cut and dried fashion, it is obvious to me that animals are *much* sicker now than they were a mere 30 years ago and the diseases are very serious. "I have mulled this situation over, trying to decide why animals (and probably humans) appear to be sicker than they used to be, and have come to the conclusion that I can sum up the fundamental reason for this trend in two words: "toxic exposure". Our focus has changed from *acute* disease, leading to quick death, to *chronic* disease and long, drawn-out, painful death. We really have gone from having animals who weren't really sick much at all to animals who are *always* sick." Good article. Why? Because we agree. ;^) > Two weeks ago I brought home our two new Bengal kittens - Jasper and > Beau - they were 3 months old and when they left the breeder's home [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > to see them hobbling around when they should be running around - has > anyone else experienced this? (to the audience) Compared to some of you vaccination believers out there, I have never been one to enrich veterinarians for preventative measures. But I've also never had more than two cats simultaneously and they have been mostly indoor animals. (to Mandarina) The experience you relate sounds like deliberate over dosing with a toxic substance. The vet is likely following some protocol having nebulous benefits beyond enriching the vet. MY feeling is no vaccination should produce those kinds of side/after effects. It does sound that way doesnt it! The vet apparently thought it might be an allergic reaction - its odd that it took 10 days for Beau to show his symptoms though. I've definitely gone off the idea of vaccinations! > It does sound that way doesnt it! The vet apparently thought it > might be an allergic reaction - its odd that it took 10 days for Beau > to show his symptoms though. > > I've definitely gone off the idea of vaccinations! I am interested in hearing how the vet plans to conpensate the owner for killing her pet! And don't take the offer of FREE vaccinations for the other cats! >(to the audience) Compared to some of you vaccination believers out there, I >have never been one to enrich veterinarians for preventative measures. But [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >nebulous benefits beyond enriching the vet. MY feeling is no vaccination >should produce those kinds of side/after effects. I recently adopted a cat and took him in for neutering and vaccination without knowing these issues existed. He is going to be an indoor cat, which suits him fine, and this will probably be the last time he gets a vaccine, now that I have learned a thing or two. He has developed oozing lesions between his shoulder blades but seems to be in good general health. I have been waiting for him to recover on his own, but perhaps I should do something. If so what? I had no idea that pharmacology was so lax in this area. People pay money for this service. Why aren't more of them screaming bloody murder? I hope my cat will be ok. I swear I will drag out the hammer and goddamn tongs if he's not. Charlie >> (to the audience) Compared to some of you vaccination believers out >> there, I have never been one to enrich veterinarians for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Charlie Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love your cat, you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. I don't buy the philosophy of deworming a perfectly healthy kitten when the presence of intestinal worms is contraindicated. Nor to I buy the notion that sterilizing a cat before 6 months of age is without probable consequences, more so for males. Remember, vets have staff, rent, homes to pay for, and they KNOW they can play on your emotions. There are dollar signs all along the way. Beware. >Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love your cat, >you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. I don't buy the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >they KNOW they can play on your emotions. There are dollar signs all along >the way. Beware. I didn't even think about it; I merely assumed that responsible pet owners get their pets vaccinated, and that the vaccines are safe and effective. They're effective, alright, just like cyanide is effective. But they're not safe. Here is my cat: www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/lesion.htm This picture was taken about 10 minutes ago. The damage caused by this vaccination gets worse every day. After reading through this thread and looking at a couple of links, I'm slightly annoyed. I'd like to get ahold of the CEO of this company and pour a bottle of drano down his miserable goddamn money-grubbing throat before I burn his fucken house down with his family tied up inside. Charlie > I didn't even think about it; I merely assumed that responsible pet > owners get their pets vaccinated, and that the vaccines are safe and > effective. They're effective, alright, just like cyanide is > effective. But they're not safe. I remember a few kids in school (1960s) had reactions to vaccines, although most of us didn't. I think the smallpox vaccine was the worst. I wonder if that's true of cats -- that a few are sensitive, while most are not. Pudge had vaccinations against rabies, distemper, etc., with no problems; same with Hodge. We (veterinarian and I) dropped the feline leukemia vaccination when evidence turned up it caused problems, as they were/are not outdoor cats and are unlikely to be exposed to an infected cat.  Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> I didn't even think about it; I merely assumed that responsible pet >> owners get their pets vaccinated, and that the vaccines are safe and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I wonder if that's true of cats -- that a few are sensitive, while most >are not. I have the impression that harmful or fatal reactions to the leukemia vaccine are very common. >Pudge had vaccinations against rabies, distemper, etc., with no >problems; same with Hodge. We (veterinarian and I) dropped the feline >leukemia vaccination when evidence turned up it caused problems, as they >were/are not outdoor cats and are unlikely to be exposed to an infected >cat. I didn't have that discussion. I stupidly assumed veterinarians don't use dangerous drugs routinely on healthy animals. I suppose in the back of my mind I had the naive idea that the industry might be regulated in some manner. I realize now that it's no different than buying illegal drugs on the street -- caveat emptor, with the difference being that dealers who cut their drugs with rat poison tend to be rewarded with short lives instead of fat salaries. Charlie > >I remember a few kids in school (1960s) had reactions to vaccines, > >although most of us didn't. I think the smallpox vaccine was the worst. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have the impression that harmful or fatal reactions to the leukemia > vaccine are very common. The veterinarian and I weren't concerned about reaction -- Pudge never had one -- but about long-term effects. I guess it can cause other nasty problems down the road. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > I didn't have that discussion. I stupidly assumed veterinarians don't > use dangerous drugs routinely on healthy animals. I suppose in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie Charlie, don't beat yourself up over it. I think most people just naturally assume that since the vet recommends vaccines, that they are perfectly safe. I used to vaccinate my previous cats like clockwork. One of my last cats had a reaction every time, but the vet said it happens sometimes and just gave another injection to compensate for the reaction (!!!). I think the thing that changed my thinking the most was reading the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, "The Nature of Animal Healing." It was quite an eye-opener. Lauren >> I didn't have that discussion. I stupidly assumed veterinarians > don't [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lauren I have wondered about the profit/loss of private veterinary compared to a private HMO doctor with similar staffing. Can you sue a vet for malpractice? >> I didn't even think about it; I merely assumed that responsible pet >> owners get their pets vaccinated, and that the vaccines are safe and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > they were/are not outdoor cats and are unlikely to be exposed to an > infected cat. Considering Bengals are often purchased from breeders, I'm starting to seriously consider buying one ONLY IF the breeder agrees to NO vaccinations or at least ONLY the one or two that have been proven safe over the past 20 yrs. Ours would be an indoor cat & only cat anyway. Furthermore, there is a fair percentage of Bengals who do not have the genetics to get feline leukemia anyway ,,, from what I've read. >Considering Bengals are often purchased from breeders, I'm starting to >seriously consider buying one ONLY IF the breeder agrees to NO vaccinations >or at least ONLY the one or two that have been proven safe over the past 20 >yrs. Ours would be an indoor cat & only cat anyway. Furthermore, there is a >fair percentage of Bengals who do not have the genetics to get feline >leukemia anyway ,,, from what I've read. This is *not* true. The ALC is immune to Feline Leukemia, but the Bengal is not. If you decide to go FelV vaccine-free, you should get an ELISA test done at your cat's yearly checkup. As for the other vaccines, there are three 'core' vaccines (other than rabies, which is required by law) that are very important for allowing the kitten to survive kittenhood. These are feline panleukopenia (FPV), feline viral rhinotracheitis (FHV-1), and feline calicivirus (FCV). They must be vaccineted with these in order to provide a sound basis for health and future vaccination decisions. There are three 'kinds' of vaccines, each with its own risks and benefits. From the Winn Health Foundation site (http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/vaccination-protocol-catteries.html): "We generally have a range of modified live vaccines (MLV), killed virus vaccines (KV) and intranasal (IN) vaccines to choose from. There are also subunit and DNA vaccines available for some pathogens. * MLV must replicate in the cat after administration, so they more closely mimic a natural infection, thereby producing stronger immunity of longer duration than the other vaccine types. If droplets of a MLV inadvertently contact the mucous membranes of the cat (eyes, nose, mouth) or are licked from the haircoat, a mild form of the disease may be produced. The benefits of a high quality immune response from MLV are somewhat offset by rare occurrences of immunosuppression or vaccine-induced disease (most important in cats with suppressed immune systems, such as occurs with feline leukemia or feline immunodeficiency virus infection). Care must be taken to select the appropriate individuals for MLV administration. * KVs are generally believed to be safer than MLVs since they cannot replicate in the cat and are unable to cause disease. This is offset by a weaker immune response with a shorter duration. KVs also contain a larger dose of antigen than MLVs and almost always need an adjuvant (a substance that increases the immune response). These factors make KVs more expensive than MLV counterparts. In the case of rabies and FPV, it is believed that KV can induce immunity similar to MLV. * IN vaccines are a type of MLV designed for local administration (usually eyes and nose). They can produce a good systemic immunity as well as a local immune response and can provide a more rapid onset of protection. This local immune response is advantageous in the case of FHV-1 and FCV where the site of vaccination (eyes, nose) is also the target site of the disease. " Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >> Considering Bengals are often purchased from breeders, I'm starting >> to seriously consider buying one ONLY IF the breeder agrees to NO [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the Bengal is not. If you decide to go FelV vaccine-free, you should > get an ELISA test done at your cat's yearly checkup. The Bengal breeder Jean Mills who I met personally about a month ago says otherwise. She was my original source for that information. She did say it was a minority of Bengals who retained that genetic characteristic. And by the way, I have NEVER done yearly checkups on my cats. And from what I've read here and the long healthy lives my cats have lead, I'm money ahead. > As for the other vaccines, there are three 'core' vaccines > (other than rabies, which is required by law) that are very important > for allowing the kitten to survive kittenhood. These are feline > panleukopenia (FPV), feline viral rhinotracheitis (FHV-1), and feline > calicivirus (FCV). They must be vaccineted with these in order to > provide a sound basis for health and future vaccination decisions. Those are the ones that I *have* had done each time with new kittens. And none died or experienced these horrendous skin or digestive problems mentioned in just this thread alone. > There are three 'kinds' of vaccines, each with its own risks > and benefits. From the Winn Health Foundation site > (http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/vaccination-protocol-catteries.html): snipped for brevity > Orchid Thank you Orchid. :^) >The Bengal breeder Jean Mills who I met personally about a month ago says >otherwise. She was my original source for that information. She did say it >was a minority of Bengals who retained that genetic characteristic. In the current state of the breed, I am unaware of any naturally FeLV immune Bengal. Now, DSHes were originally crossed with ALCs as part of an experiemtn to see if the ALC immunity could be passed on -- perhaps you misunderstood her regarding that. Either way, Bengals are *not* FeLV immune. > And >by the way, I have NEVER done yearly checkups on my cats. And from what >I've read here and the long healthy lives my cats have lead, I'm money >ahead. I do it because my boys are often out of the house on their leads for therapy visits and for shows. I'd rather catch something as early as possible. >Those are the ones that I *have* had done each time with new kittens. And >none died or experienced these horrendous skin or digestive problems >mentioned in just this thread alone. Any vaccine can cause a reaction. Bengals in particular are more sensitive to vaccines than the average moggy -- a Bengal should only get one vaccine at a time, at least a week apart. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >> The Bengal breeder Jean Mills who I met personally about a month ago >> says otherwise. She was my original source for that information. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > passed on -- perhaps you misunderstood her regarding that. > Either way, Bengals are *not* FeLV immune. I relayed to you what she said pretty much verbatim. Call her up and you two battle it out. >> And >> by the way, I have NEVER done yearly checkups on my cats. And from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > leads for therapy visits and for shows. I'd rather catch something as > early as possible. Sounds like with THAT much deliberate exposure, they probably will "...catch something as soon as possible!" ;^) If I had a classy pussy, I'd probably take it to shows too! >> Those are the ones that I *have* had done each time with new >> kittens. And none died or experienced these horrendous skin or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Orchid Ahhhhhhhh! Bit by bit the jealously guarded weaknesses of the Bengal breed come to the surface. Thank you for that important bit. Any idea why the sensitivity? Are Ocicats less sensitive/reactionary? Already my sense is that my vet would have been ignorant of this vulnerability. > >Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love your cat, > >you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. I don't buy the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > drano down his miserable goddamn money-grubbing throat before I burn > his fucken house down with his family tied up inside. God, Charlie, I missed this thread until this post. I am so sorry. I will read back through and see what vaccination caused this. >> >Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love your cat, >> >you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. I don't buy the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >read >back through and see what vaccination caused this. It's not your fault. My reading on the web strongly suggests it was the leukemia vaccine. Who ever heard of rabies or distemper shots causing such a reaction? Apparently it is common with the leukemia vaccine and quite often leads to a fatal sarcoma. At least my cat is not half paralyzed like the bengal kittens. Who is selling this poison??? Charlie > My reading on the web strongly suggests it was > the leukemia vaccine. Who ever heard of rabies or distemper shots > causing such a reaction? Apparently it is common with the leukemia > vaccine and quite often leads to a fatal sarcoma. I have never heard of this. > At least my cat is not half paralyzed like the bengal kittens. > > Who is selling this poison??? I don't know, but it is unbelievable that this can happen. I hope your kitty will be okay. Have you seen the vet? >> My reading on the web strongly suggests it was >> the leukemia vaccine. Who ever heard of rabies or distemper shots >> causing such a reaction? Apparently it is common with the leukemia >> vaccine and quite often leads to a fatal sarcoma. > >I have never heard of this. Neither had I. I got some information at www.catshots.com, a link posted earlier in this thread. They have statistical tables -- but one must realize that only a small fraction of all adverse reactions ever get reported. Nobody keeps morbidity data on cats. There's a .pdf with information about this available on the site -- a report funded by Ft. Dodge, so it sugarcoats the issues and blows smoke about the "admirable safety record" of animal vaccines, but if you read the text, it is very disturbing: -- These vaccines go out the door without systematic testing, and the manufacturers rely on adverse reaction reports to assess the safety of the product once it's in the marketplace. -- Vaccines are not standardized, and they vary from one producer to the next. -- The feline leukemia vaccine isn't necessarily effective. -- Many vaccines can cause sarcomas, but feline leukemia vaccines are the worst as well as rabies vaccines that have been "adjuvanted," i.e., had chemical irritants added to intensify the immune response so the manufacturer can make do with less viral material per dose and cut production costs. They're not in business for their health, after all, and nor, apparently, are they in business for the health of our pets, although that is what we are paying them for. This little cat would be in better health if I had never taken him to the vet in the first damn place. I only hope the festering sore between his shoulder blades doesn't turn into cancer, which it damn well could based on what I have read today. Charlie >>>> Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love >>>> your cat, you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Charlie I think I would be in that Vet's face for replacement kittens (Bengals ain't cheap) if either of them dies or has to be put down. This is malpractice! >> Don't buy the hype. Don't get guilt tripped with "If you love your >> cat, you'll buy our $199 vaccination/booster package" crap. I don't [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Charlie Ah go on ... tell me what you REALLY think! ;^) There is something DREADFULLY wrong (suggesting a moral/ethical lapse) with the dosing determination, at the very least!!! >:^( NOW where are the "good" people in P.E.T.A ??? Hmmm? > Two weeks ago I brought home our two new Bengal kittens - Jasper and Beau - > they were 3 months old and when they left the breeder's home they were both [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > they wont fully recover - its so sad to see them hobbling around when they > should be running around - has anyone else experienced this? It sounds more like a problem caused by improper vaccine administration than an adverse reaction from the vaccine itself. Whoever vaccinated the cats could have injured a muscle or nerve with the needle- > > Two weeks ago I brought home our two new Bengal kittens - Jasper and > Beau - [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > an adverse reaction from the vaccine itself. Whoever vaccinated the cats > could have injured a muscle or nerve with the needle- Now that makes sense. Have you seen this before? Does it heal on its own? > > > Two weeks ago I brought home our two new Bengal kittens - Jasper and > > Beau - [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Now that makes sense. Have you seen this before? Yeah- usually in cattery and shelter cats where people try to save money by vaccinating the animals themselves without proper training. Most breeders think they're geneticists- so they think vaccinations are a simple poke in the leg. > Does it heal on its own? Usually- unless there's nerve damage. I took Beau and Jasper to the vet this morning (not the one who vaccinated them)- she thinks it is calici which is causing this and has prescribed a non-steriod anti-inflammatory and lots of rest. She was shocked at how badly they were affected and has asked me to keep in touch and if no improvement in 4 or 5 days then to go back for x-rays. I think she is right though - calici certainly seems to be at fault. No more vaccinations for these two!! Bad news I'm afraid - Beau's bladder stopped functioning - I took him to the vet who expressed it for him but following x-rays where the vet said his poor spine was badly deformed and they couldnt do anything to help him we had to make the decision to let them put him out of his pain. It's heartbreaking - we was such a loving little thing - if it was the vaccine at fault then how can we justify this - not that we'll be able to prove it was the vaccine of course. The breeder is also devastated - thats two kittens from the same litter that have died - and poor Jasper is still suffering. The breeder has taken him back - she is in a much better position to care for him and she has his remaining brother so he won't be lonely. The vets are also sharing information to see if they can find out what happened. Thank you everyone for your advice and concern. We are still in a state of shock and sadness - we were so looking forward to having two healthy, happy and fun kittens to share our lives with and its only brought them and us pain and sadness - only lightened by their lovely nature and all the cuddles we had in their short time with us. Mandarina >Bad news I'm afraid - Beau's bladder stopped functioning - I took him to >the vet who expressed it for him but following x-rays where the vet said [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Mandarina I'm so sorry for what you've been through. If I lost a cat to a vaccination, **Something** would happen. Take care. eq >Bad news I'm afraid - Beau's bladder stopped functioning - I took him to >the vet who expressed it for him but following x-rays where the vet said [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Mandarina This is so incredibly sad. Feline vaccination appears to be very bad science. I just adopted a cat that had gotten hit by a car, and he had a bad reaction to the vaccination -- it caused a big lesion on his back. I think he will be fine, but it disgusts me that this stuff is being distributed without any warning to the pet owner and apparently without any substantial clinical testing before it goes on the market. I am sorry about what happened and I hope you get a new kitty or two to ease the sadness. Charlie > Bad news I'm afraid - Beau's bladder stopped functioning - I took him to > the vet who expressed it for him but following x-rays where the vet said [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > at fault then how can we justify this - not that we'll be able to prove it > was the vaccine of course. Mandarina, I am so sorry for your loss :( Lauren |
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