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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Establishing Dominance
Soo, from the onset, when you first bring a pet home... suppose that pet raises up on you, what do you do > Soo, from the onset, when you first bring a pet home... > > suppose that pet raises up on you, what do you do Well, Barry, in any matter that does not draw blood, I imagine you ask your master how high he wants you to jump. :) >Soo, from the onset, when you first bring a pet home... > >suppose that pet raises up on you, what do you do If it's a dog, you back down immediately and don't go near it for a good long time. Neither do you feed it for a good long time. The apha is the one who controls the resources, not the one with the stupid, confrontational attitude. Charlie > The > apha is the one who controls the resources, not the one with the > stupid, confrontational attitude. Excellent point, Charlie. > > The > > apha is the one who controls the resources, not the one with the > > stupid, confrontational attitude. > > Excellent point, Charlie. I would never deprive Ruprecht of food for a "Good Long Time", no matter what he did, I consider that cruel, at best. What Charlie says kinda sounds good, but after thinking about it, I don't think it is the answer, I couldn't find a place in my mind to file that one. > > > The > > > apha is the one who controls the resources, not the one with the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > don't think it is the answer, I couldn't find a place in my mind to > file that one. I was responding to what he said works with aggressive dogs, not cats. Very different things. Sorry for the confusion. (For cats there are no "alphas.") >> > > The >> > > apha is the one who controls the resources, not the one with the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >cats. Very different things. Sorry for the confusion. (For cats >there are no "alphas.") Over the weekend I tried to lure the bathroom cat closer by withholding food for a day and then putting food out and staying in the room. I didn't work after an hour or so, so I left the room and let it eat. Perhaps the experiment was inhumane, but my goal has been to encourage this creature to trust me so I can minimize her trauma when the inevitable vetting and spaying comes, which will be this week come hell or high water. I don't know about no alpha cats. I'm pretty clear on who the alpha is between me and the bathroom cat. Good kitty, could I please take a shower now? Charlie > >Soo, from the onset, when you first bring a pet home... > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie My parents never ever took food from us to discipline us, and we did some deeds we shure did, but come dinner time; you don't starve your kids or your animals. A good man sees to the needs of his animal. Bringing a maniac animal home is not likely for most people, that would be like someone saying "I'm scared if I marry her she will be ugly", thats silly, you don't court her in the first place (you consider her ugly), natural selection or something. I don't understand your technic / It sounds unusual to me. I don't think there is a blanket answer, things can happen pretty quick sometimes, like, maybe an owner is unable to "back down". Pets ulitmately are an extenion of the owner - as far as how they treat other people. >> On 7 May 2005 21:54:35 -0700, "bigbadbarry" ><bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >A good man sees to the needs of his animal. Yeah, I'm a bad man. My animals are always starving. Call the police. >Bringing a maniac animal home is not likely for most people, that would >be like someone saying "I'm scared if I marry her she will be ugly", >thats silly, you don't court her in the first place (you consider her >ugly), natural selection or something. > >I don't understand your technic / It sounds unusual to me. Look, I have been around and around and around on this over in rec.pets.dogs.behavior. You will find plenty of people over there who think I'm full of sh.t. They want to confront their dogs with displays of power and force, and they are absolutely sure that is the right approach. No arguments have any effect, and if I quote well-regarded authors, they say I'm too stupid to understand what I am quoting. Then they post rationalizations about why they had to euthenize an aggressive dog. I'm sick of it. This is the cat group. Charlie > Charlie You brought up the dogs man..chill! Lady in room 1005 has a blood drawing cat on her hands. > Charlie Just for the record, Im not one of those guys...you mentioned above Im more of a connection kind of guy. I'm looking to gain respect through genuine care, and usually its nothing more than just spending some earnest time with them, and looking after them, and doing a little extra for them. I'm in no hurry to make friends with them, I believe they gotta open up at thier own pace. You never know what an animal has been through, I've seen some rough stuff; and I can usually tell when one has been abused. Like, if I goto pet a dog, and he cowers down...I don't reach down to him neccessarily, I make him raise up to me, get him out of that cower thing. ah, I won't bore ya. >> Charlie > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >to make friends with them, I believe they gotta open up at thier own >pace. Right. I agree wholeheartedly. My intuition about the lady with the biting cat says, stay away from that cat, don't let it in the room at night, don't pet it. Leave it alone. But the best advice came from whoever recommended a good book on the subject. Animal behaviorists have figured out a lot of things most people don't know and can't necessarily learn just by having pets. Charlie >You never know what an animal has been through, I've seen some rough >stuff; and I can usually tell when one has been abused. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >ah, I won't bore ya. > Soo, from the onset, when you first bring a pet home... > > suppose that pet raises up on you, what do you do It depends on the animal. There is no blanket, 'one size fits all' response. How you correct biting is entirely dependent on the "why" of it. Was it playing too rough? Was it frightened? Was it being aggressive? Protective? Was it someone else's before it was yours? An animal that was abused might see danger where there is none and may be a fear biter. Using any type of punishment on a fear biter will exacerbate the problem 99.9% of the time, not fix it. But using punishment for an animal that was trying to be dominant *may* fix it...or it may make it worse (challenge a truly dominant, highly confident alpha dog and see how fast you get bit in the face as it "corrects" YOU just as it would correct a challenging dog with a muzzle grab). Using firm verbal corrections on a confident, just overly playful animal often solves the problem of biting too hard during play. But those same firm corrections might scare the pants off a submissive animal. And a scared, shy animal often bites to protect itself from perceived harm. A true alpha dog needs to be put back in its place. But how you do that has very little to do with correction and a great deal to do with getting respect [back] (controlling food, toys, training, and all manner of other things). See, it just depends on the personality of the animal and the situation that caused the problem (fear, dominance, play). Just like there is no one right way to teach a human, since we all have different experiences and different personalities, there is no one right way to teach a dog or a cat. Training needs to be tailored to fit the animal's experience, personality, and temperament. So, for the actual answer to "what do you do"...you start asking yourself all kinds of questions about why the animal bit, what you might have done to encourage it, and how best to correct it in this particular animal.  Signature-- ~kaeli~ A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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