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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Cat biting cheek draws blood...
Hi Cat Folx! I have been reading some of the posts here, and it seems cat biting is more common than I have had in my experience. I have owned (read: "been owned by") cats for 30 years, but I have never had a cat who bites like this one. Chandra is a 4-year old sealpoint Siamese female, already spayed and declawed, that I acquired from a shelter a few months ago. She was only here a few days when she came down with URI and required much nursing from me. She fought intensely (tried to claw and bite) when being picked up, held down to get meds, etc. Now that she is better, she has bitten me many times. Most are tiny little nips on the hands, arms or ankles that I would consider "love bites." The chomps on the cheek are another matter and have me concerned. She has bitten me three times on the cheek, hard enough to draw blood and leave a huge gash. To me, these have seemed like violent attacks since she flies into my face when she bites. The first two times may have been due to too much petting. (I have really tried to dial down the petting so she does not get over-stimulated.) Those two times, I saw the glazed look in her eyes, but I did not react fast enough. She jumped at my face and took a bite, then ran off when I yelled. This last time (this morning), it was dark and I was lying in bed. She was sitting on the blanket, but I had not been petting her. With no warning, she flew into my face and took a huge bite, leaving the blood flowing. So far, this aggression has only been directed at me, but I am afraid she may attack the others in the family, which I cannot allow. I have never had to consider having to have a cat put down for violent behavior, but this one is frightening me. I have water pistols all over the house and have been trying to train her in other areas (not jumping on tables, counters, etc.). I also spray her after the bites, but it does not seem to stop her. Ideas, suggestions, comments PLEASE! Catherine > Hi Cat Folx! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Catherine>>> Hi Catherine, It's kind of you to adopt an unwanted cat. There are so many out there who need homes It's very frightening when cats attack but I'm sure you'll be able to modify her behaviour if you go about it the right way. I would read any books by Pam Johnson Bennet including Pyscho Kitty for how to deal with this. She also has very good forum but sadly it is closing with in a few days:(( but if you hurry you'll be able to read the old posts. http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ptthinkcat?redirCnt=1 Have you had Siamese before, if not I would read up about the particular traits of this breed. Bear in mind this cat has a past and when she came to your house she must have been full of uncertainty and unfortunately she had to be manhandled and held down to be given med plus she has also had to deal with being sprayed with water when jumping up on to counters. If she was allowed to do this in her other home she won't understand *why* you are doing it, only the fact that you do it . At other times you are affectionate to her so from her point of view you are an unpredictable hooman and she never knows what to expect from you just as you never know what to expect from her and you have both lost trust in each other . The first two times as you say , sound like petting aggression but unfortunately the third time she flew at you would be because she remembered your (understandable) reaction to her over -affectionate biting and she reacted to that memory. The same goes for when you spray her for nipping your ankles . A sort of chain reaction , I hope that makes sense:) I would stop spraying her and using any sort of punishment and try to encourage her to play with interactive toys to channel her aggression and to help build bridges between you. Alison > > Hi Cat Folx! > > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > aggression and to help build bridges between you. > Alison I don't have much to add to Alisons great post, except...you might also keep in mind that it's not uncommon for declawed cats to be biters. I wonder if she's one of the botched ones and lives in pain, poor thing. Emphasis on Alison's suggestion to *lose* the water pistol. You've got to build trust with this cat, and it sounds like that's already been compromised from having to medicate her. If it were me, I'd just let her jump on the counters for the time being. You can address that issue later. Or just gently remove her. Sherry >>> Hi Cat Folx! >>> [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Sherry And I would definitely have her feet xrayed to see if she IS one of the botched ones. If so, the vet may be able to help if it's a bad job and something is trying to grow back. > > Hi Cat Folx! > > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > to encourage her to play with interactive toys to channel her > aggression and to help build bridges between you. Alison ***Alison's suggestions are excellent! I can only add, that for me, I couldn't tolerate that type of aggression for very long. I really hope that she stops or you can rectify her behavior somehow. It's certainly weird, and would be very troublesome! I can't help but wonder if that's the reason why Chandra was put up for adoption to begin with? It's really a total gamble with any adoptions. Sometimes you really luck out, though. For example, my sister just recently adopted a very scrawny looking, extremely under-weight Siamese female from our local shelter about 6 months ago. She was supposedly a 'reject' purebred, a seal-point, due to her markings "not being desirable". She had very little history on her, except that she was found fending for herself somewhere. My sister decided to adopt her and crossed her fingers she would work out, because she hadn't had a cat in years, and she knew very well that you just can't tell about a cat's personality, disposition and behavior until they come home with you, for any length of time. Weeell, this cat, who she named 'Gaby', is the sweetest, smartest, most calm cat that she ever had! She actually watches Animal Planet, among her other charming and enduring qualities. She never knocks anything down from tables, etc, never bites or scratches, and is very friendly and social to practically anyone that comes over. And Gaby is a real beauty now. She has put on lot's of weight, and is very happy and content. She is the only cat in the household, so she gets all the love, and doesn't have to compete for affection and attention. So, you never know with adoptions because it's a crap-shot, but she's certainly a keeper :-). Anyway, good luck to you and your kitty, and you really have done the right thing by adopting her and giving her a chance for a loving home. And also by writing to us about your problem with her. Hopefully, you will get more good suggestions like Alison has given. Please do continue to keep us posted on what you may find out about Chandra' in the future. ML > Hi Cat Folx! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Catherine (sarcasm alert) Oh Catherine, take it like a man. The cat must be understood and the "why" fully appreciated before you do anything that might be judged as disciplinary. Compassion should allow these these "attacks" as you call them to continue before taking any course of (gasp!) corrective action. How dare you consider the welfare of family and guests before this dear misunderstood kitty. (sarcasm off). (On second thought, a little more but less obvious sarcasm) That cat made itself a prime candidate for the Hurling Relocation Program the instant the first attack occurred, solid objects notwithstanding. For having waited so long to take serious corrective action, you have permitted this act grow into a behavior. What is your reaction after each attack? Apparently the cat is getting a desired response from you. > Hi Cat Folx! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Catherine It would seem that perhaps this attacking about the face may be a trait that is present in some Siamese as I had one that would do the exact same thing. This one was a kitten that used to like sitting on my lap, but when she was in a playful mood she would go into attack mode. I used to place my fist between my face and the cat. She would attack and run into my fist and seemingly be dazed for a few seconds. Note that I was not hitting the cat, she was butting her head against my stationary fist. After a few of these butts the frequency of the attacks seemed to slow down somewhat, but she was ever hopeful of breaking through the defenses. Unfortunately due to personal circumstances I was not able to keep her so I don't know how things turned out for the new staff person... who still seemed enthusiastic even after being told about this behavior. snip > This one was a kitten that used to like sitting on my lap, but when > she was in a playful mood she would go into attack mode. I used to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > down somewhat, but she was ever hopeful of breaking through the > defenses. Reminds me of a cartoon some years back. Little boy is holding tightly the cat's tail while the cat is desperately trying to escape. The mother is looking down at the two ... and the subtitle is: "But mommy, I'm just holding her tail .... SHE'S pulling it!" :^D > Hi Cat Folx! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chandra is a 4-year old sealpoint Siamese female, already spayed and > declawed Declawed cats sometimes become biters because they feel defenseless. > Hi Cat Folx! > > Ideas, suggestions, comments PLEASE! > > Catherine Dear Dr Feline You have to ask yourself what do cats do to resolve this sort of thing. They get ugly with the other untill the lines are clear. Keep it simple. The simpler and more direct you are in action then the quicker she will understand. Respect is not always a choice from admiration, I'd respect a thugh with a gun if he had it in my face. Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it behind you - if she has not done this with other family members, it's probably because she feels like you can handle it?, and like Mary says, it's some sort of trade off going on. > Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it behind > you - if she has not done this with other family members, it's probably > because she feels like you can handle it?, and like Mary says, it's > some sort of trade off going on. What are you talking about?  Signature-Kelly > > Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it behind > > you - if she has not done this with other family members, it's probably > > because she feels like you can handle it?, and like Mary says, it's > > some sort of trade off going on. > > What are you talking about? Yes, Kelly, I would like to know, also. Sherry > > Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it behind > > you - if she has not done this with other family members, it's probably [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > -Kelly I mean bust his tail one time (next time he does it) and be done with it. Im tellin ya, that cat will love her like no other if she will stand up to him. Everyone of you has got your cat at one point or another don't sit up here and tell that lie. The cat made you mad, the cat tried you, I mean deliberately trying you...pushing you, I already know you are only human, we got limits. You hold back to long and you'll hurt that little cat, I mean goto the vet hurt, we don't want that. > > > Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it > behind [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I mean bust his tail one time (next time he does it) and be done with > it. I'm sure you mean "bust his tail" with a single-sheet of newspaper. R-i-i-g-h-t. > Im tellin ya, that cat will love her like no other if she will stand up > to him. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > human, we got limits. You hold back to long and you'll hurt that little > cat, I mean goto the vet hurt, we don't want that. Interesting theory. Are you speaking from personal experience? How badly did you hurt the cat? Sherry >>>> Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it >>>> behind you - if she has not done this with other family members, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm sure you mean "bust his tail" with a single-sheet of newspaper. > R-i-i-g-h-t. More like the sunday section of the LA Times Classified wrapped around a 9 Iron. LOL > > > > Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it > > behind [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Sherry So Barry really strikes you as the kind of guy who is going to hurt a cat, eh, Sherry? *shaking my head* You have a clear case of what the a.shole Lyn has. Recall that she has suggested that Catnipped burned Bandit herself. I'm embarrassed for you. You're the same kind of a.shole Lyn, Cheryl and Megan are. You decide who you don't like and just make up sh.t to discredit them as you go along. Think about it. Why, exactly, do you hate CN? What is so detestable about her? She gets on your nerves. She gushes, right? It's not like she mistreats cats, or is not a good person. Same with Barry. You don't like his posting style, or that he swatted Ruprecht (as I swatted Gnarly) when he got aggressive. But mostly you just don't like his style. Well, honey, f.ck you. It's a big world out there, and this is not a closed club. > So Barry really strikes you as the kind of guy who is going to hurt > a cat, eh, Sherry? *shaking my head* You have a clear case of > what the a.shole Lyn has. Recall that she has suggested that Catnipped > burned Bandit herself. I'm embarrassed for you. I'll address the first isssue; the rest of your post is too drivelous to even acknowledge. Barry strikes me as the kind of guy who would suggest throwing a cat away before even *attempting* to help it. He strikes me as the kind of guy who says one thing, then backpeddles with the "single-sheet newspaper" crap. Sherry > > So Barry really strikes you as the kind of guy who is going to hurt > > a cat, eh, Sherry? *shaking my head* You have a clear case of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'll address the first isssue; the rest of your post is too drivelous > to even acknowledge. Riiiiiiggggght. lol > Barry strikes me as the kind of guy who would > suggest throwing a cat away before even *attempting* to help it. He > strikes me as the kind of guy who says one thing, then backpeddles with > the "single-sheet newspaper" crap. I see. :) sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > So Barry really strikes you as the kind of guy who is going to hurt > > a cat, eh, Sherry? *shaking my head* You have a clear case of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry I wish we could get past this Ahaa! mess... I just know the city pounds and shelters are full of sweet cats, so, if Drfeline felt un-comfortable with this cat, she can help a different cat. I think it's ok to be mature and solution minded and talk in the real > I wish we could get past this Ahaa! mess... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think it's ok to be mature and solution minded and talk in the real I don't have a problem with a family surrendering a viscious cat if every avenue has been exhausted re: behavior modification. I have seen, IRL, and read on this group many, many people who have adopted highly agressive cats, or feral cats, or extremely fearful and timid cats...and with patience, and the right environment, and the right handling, the cats do a 180 degree turnaround. Extremely few cats are viscious. They are in pain, abused, or mis-handled. I *do* have a problem with the flippant suggestion to "get another one" before even *trying* to work the problem out and giving the cat a chance. This cat has not even had a chance to establish any kind of trust with the owner. Sherry Sherry sridd...@aol.com wrote: > I don't have a problem with a family surrendering a viscious cat if > every avenue has been exhausted re: behavior modification. I have seen, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry Like I say, you read the post, you think water pistols everywhere is going to cut it?... Your idealizing the situation, you're not looking at the real issues based on what was given. Course I'd like to see her keep the cat, but blood is blood, it's been goin on for some time. >> I wish we could get past this Ahaa! mess... >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry Sherry ... how long is "long enough?" A month? Three months? The first attack that leaves permanent facial scaring? WHAT IS YOUR LINE IN THE SAND? sridd...@aol.com wrote: > Interesting theory. Are you speaking from personal experience? How > badly did you hurt the cat? I only say We don't want the vet part, cause some bored person with cheeto crumbs on the keyboard will say... "Intersting theory. Are you speaking from experience?" so I have to sweep up behind myself, you know kinda qualify my thoughts. Here's how bad I hurt Ruprecht yo tell mea http://spaces.msn.com/members/ruprecht/ Its the same pics, but he's got his own space now. He works on it in his spare time. >>> Do what you already know you should do, make it quick and put it >>> behind you - if she has not done this with other family members, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > only human, we got limits. You hold back to long and you'll hurt that > little cat, I mean go to the vet hurt, we don't want that. All those books like "101 Things to do with a dead cat" ... or "How to Wok your cat" were written by frustrated people imagining the revenge they'd like to take on cats which they failed to socialize correctly. > Everyone of you has got your cat at one point or another don't sit up > here and tell that lie. The cat made you mad, the cat tried you, I mean > deliberately trying you...pushing you, I already know you are only > human, we got limits. You hold back to long and you'll hurt that little > cat, I mean goto the vet hurt, we don't want that. Uh, no. My cats have annoyed me, or done things I wasn't too happy about, but I've *never* struck any of my cats. The most I ever do is yell "No" or "Down", or make a loud noise to distract them if I catch them doing something. I've never been bitten either, except for trying to medicate, and in that instance I don't blame the cat, I was doing something unpleasant. Signature-Kelly > The most I ever do is yell "No" or "Down" > -Kelly <rollin my eyes> are you gellin your so not gellin > > The most I ever do is yell "No" or "Down" > > -Kelly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > your so not gellin seriously: I too, have yelled, but just a few times, I found a technic that works really really good. I do just the opposite anymore...try this I walk over, do a few re-assuring strokes, then give him a tiny weeny love lecture: like, "morning ruprecht!, I see your up, (rub rub)... "Will you stop walking on my computer keyboard", (making eye contact now) I'm pointing to the keyboard...(I know he understands)... he said, "I will do anything! anything to get that breath off of me"... Thank you buddy. He never did it again. so far. >>> The most I ever do is yell "No" or "Down" >>> -Kelly [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > He never did it again. so far. I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting dogs do. But cats .... cats understand the end of your finger ... not the object across the room. > I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting dogs do. > But cats .... cats understand the end of your finger ... not the object > across the room. I think your right. I did say pointing, but meant pointing, (I was kneeling right next to the scene) but your right, I've tried to get him to look at something before like a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just follows my finger. > but your right, I've tried to get him to look at something before like > a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just > follows my finger. But they do find the bugs on their own . . . Hodge just found a teeny black beetle. If I'd pointed to it, he'd have stared at my finger (then bit it). Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > but your right, I've tried to get him to look at something before like > > a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just > > follows my finger. > > But they do find the bugs on their own . . . Hodge just found a teeny > black beetle. If I'd pointed to it, he'd have stared at my finger (then > bit it). > > -- > http://www.slywy.com/ I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the owner. Mine too! He just looks at my finger, I can't point him nowhere, I've even pointed his body in the direction of something, no go. It's curios how sometimes they just toy with the capture. slap it flip it...they let it limp away...but not out of eye sight. > I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the owner. THANK GOODNESS there are no "big bugs" here. I had enough of them at the other place . . . and centipedes. Once Pudge got hold of one and began shaking her head so all the legs flew off. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the owner. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > http://www.slywy.com/ Its my fault but I had a gang of stereo wire laying in the hall. We were both coming down the hallway when all of a sudden he sprang straight up, straight up in the air, and come down all defensive and ready...I looked down and saw the bundle of wires, he must have stepped on a frayed end. It took him half a day to pass without being sneaky at that spot. > > I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the owner. > > THANK GOODNESS there are no "big bugs" here. I had enough of them at the > other place . . . and centipedes. Once Pudge got hold of one and began > shaking her head so all the legs flew off. I've never seen a centipede,just in books, I don't think we have them here. . Do they sting? I think cats learn pretty quickly which critters to leave alone. DH raises honey bees and Boots, in particular, will go with him out to the hives, but sits down a good 40 feet from them and waits on him. Never swats at them. She's probably learned that on her own. Sherry > > > I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the > owner. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've never seen a centipede,just in books, I don't think we have them > here. . Do they sting? House centipedes have a bite that is poisonous to insects (prey). I've never been bitten by one, but I gather it's no worse than a bee sting. I don't think Pudge was ever bitten, but she liked to catch and shake them. That time, I tapped her lightly on the side of the mouth to get her to drop it. Then she looked at me like, "You always take the good toys away . . ." Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > > I saw a cartoon where the cat ate the big bug, then kissed the > owner. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Sherry We were told the centipedes in Hawaii could kill small house pets, so we were very cautious with the cats and made sure we kept an eye out for them. In three years we only had one large one get in the house, but we also had several small ones. Our back porch also seemed to be a breeding ground as I killed at least 6 of them that were longer than 5 inches. Those suckers do NOT want to die and they get very very mad if you try to move them from their hiding spot and will actually charge at you. My husband got bit on the foot by one who had been hiding in his shoe (I always dumped mine before I put them on just in case one was hiding) and he said it felt like a gun shot wound. > We were told the centipedes in Hawaii could kill small house pets, so we > were very cautious with the cats and made sure we kept an eye out for them. I'm not sure what species they would be, but that's entirely possible. In Chicago, they're just house centipedes, which are not particularly dangerous unless you're susceptible to that kind of thing (like people who develop anaphylactic reactions to bee stings). Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> but your right, I've tried to get him to look at something before >> like a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > black beetle. If I'd pointed to it, he'd have stared at my finger > (then bit it). Cat likes finger food? > > but your right, I've tried to get him to look at something before like > > a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > black beetle. If I'd pointed to it, he'd have stared at my finger (then > bit it). We had that happen in Hawaii... sometimes the cats woudlnt notice the large cockroach crawling across the wall and I would try pointing and gesturing to no avail. I'm sure I looked like an idiot : ) But, I would just pick one of them up (whoever was closest) and hold them up towards the wall and they would usually notice the movement. The next hour or so, both of them would be sitting with their tails flicking, waiting to get their catch. I can't imagine how many bugs we would have had if we didn't have those two. (PS We're not dirty people, if anyone has been to Hawaii, other than staying in a hotel a few days, you understand the bug/lizard problem) > > I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting > dogs do. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just > follows my finger. The smartest cat I have ever had will eventually look out of the window if I keep looking out the window for a minute or so. If I point she just looks at my finger. > > > I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting > > dogs do. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > out of the window if I keep looking out the window for a minute or so. If I > point she just looks at my finger. yeah sure bake a pie eat pie. >> I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting >> dogs do. But cats .... cats understand the end of your finger ... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a large bug truckin across the floor...I point and say look...he just > follows my finger. Here's an experiment: roll up a small ball of paper in your fist, but leave your index finger extended. Get the cat's attention. Extend your arm with finger pointing at something across the room. Your cat will NEVER look across the room. But the second you extend you arm and finger AND THEN release that little spit wad, the cat will follow the trajectory of the spit wad. > Here's an experiment: roll up a small ball of paper in your fist, but > leave your index finger extended. Get the cat's attention. Extend your arm > with finger pointing at something across the room. Your cat will NEVER look > across the room. But the second you extend you arm and finger AND THEN > release that little spit wad, the cat will follow the trajectory of the spit > wad. Philip, your the one who used the words "across the room" I never said across the room in the first place.. who you trying to convince. I never claimed a cat did follow "pointing"... your worse than an old woman. >> Here's an experiment: roll up a small ball of paper in your fist, >> but leave your index finger extended. Get the cat's attention. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Philip, your the one who used the words "across the room" > I never said across the room in the first place.. And so your POINT is? I'll take the responsibility for expanding the discussion as I see fit. I'm sure you will keep me honest. ;*) > >> Here's an experiment: roll up a small ball of paper in your fist, > >> but leave your index finger extended. Get the cat's attention. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And so your POINT is? I'll take the responsibility for expanding the > discussion as I see fit. I'm sure you will keep me honest. ;*) :0h sorry man! i am. as usual, I made it "about me" it's aaaall about you barry > > >> Here's an experiment: roll up a small ball of paper in your > fist, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > it's aaaall about you barry It is? I thought it was all about me. 8) In fact I'm pretty sure it is. > > :0h sorry man! i am. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It is? I thought it was all about me. 8) In fact > I'm pretty sure it is. It's aaall about you Mary... aaall about you. > >> I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting > >> dogs do. But cats .... cats understand the end of your finger ... > >> not the object across the room. I said, you're right. I didn't dispute it. Im bored. so what now you don't wanna be my cat talk friend? I like all them neat comments you come up with. Oh well. I'm still looking for my teeth. >>>> I *really* doubt cats understand the concept of pointing. Hunting >>>> dogs do. But cats .... cats understand the end of your finger ... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'm still looking for my teeth. Try pinching up your butt cheeks a few times while listening for a grinding sound. Maybe you sat on them? ;*) > <rollin my eyes> > > are you gellin > > your so not gellin Whatever. Believe me or not, I really don't care. Signature-Kelly > > <rollin my eyes> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > -Kelly Goooood Keep on yellin! I don't yell at mine, for what? They don't yell at us! Now do they. Ol hard ankle! > Uh, no. My cats have annoyed me, or done things I wasn't too happy about, > but I've *never* struck any of my cats. The most I ever do is yell "No" or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > -Kelly Bottom line, your out of context here that's all. Context is king. but thing is...no-one made that suggestion; so why put a feather in your hat about it... that's like me saying, "Oh, I've never put my cat in the closet all day" No-one made that suggestion so why even bring it up. > Bottom line, your out of context here that's all. > Context is king. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > day" > No-one made that suggestion so why even bring it up. I'm not playing. Later. Signature-Kelly > I'm not playing. Later. ok later. > > I'm not playing. Later. > > ok later. If only it could always be that simple. And Kelly is pregnant with twins, so her hormones are raging. What a woman. And she loves cats, too. > > > I'm not playing. Later. > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > her hormones are raging. > What a woman. And she loves cats, too. thanks for the headsup > > > > I'm not playing. Later. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > thanks for the headsup Welcome. KellyH is one of those saints who regularly does shelter work and fosters. She goes way beyond the call of duty with kitties and is not the first to jump on the bandwagon when the Mean Old Girls start circling the wagons around here, know what I mean? She's a good egg. She can take it, and she can dish it out. She deserves to keep her spoon. :) > Welcome. KellyH is one of those saints who regularly > does shelter work and fosters. She goes way beyond the call of duty with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > egg. She can take it, and she can dish it out. She deserves to keep her > spoon. :) Thanks Mary. I like the Mean Old Girls, too, for the record. I prefer not to get involved in the disputes/flames. I figure it's none of my beeswax. Signature-Kelly > > Welcome. KellyH is one of those saints who regularly > > does shelter work and fosters. She goes way beyond the call of duty with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks Mary. I like the Mean Old Girls, too, for the record. I prefer not > to get involved in the disputes/flames. I figure it's none of my beeswax. I know, and what is amazing is how you manage to stick to that no matter how wild things get--and without flaunting your killfile. You're in a class by yourself. Hope you're feeling well, considering your little passengers. >> Hi Cat Folx! >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > probably because she feels like you can handle it?, and like Mary > says, it's some sort of trade off going on. Dr. Feline is suggesting an Old Testament solution. LOL Eye for an eye. An interesting hypothesis is that this feline feels secure enough with the owner to attack ... believing the owner will not fight back. Dominance. So far, the cat is correct. (sarcasm) Personally, I'd find a moment when I could sneak up on the sleeping cat and pee on it! LOL (sarcasm off) > >> Hi Cat Folx! > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > far, the cat is correct. (sarcasm) Personally, I'd find a moment when I > could sneak up on the sleeping cat and pee on it! LOL (sarcasm off) I agree with your hypothesis, it's pretty innoculate up till the spraying technic - (scratching my chin) So your saying the cat feels guilty and is looking for her to release him from his guilt from the crime of "walking all over and totally disrespecting her"...right up to chewing on her headbone? >>>> Hi Cat Folx! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > him from his guilt from the crime of "walking all over and totally > disrespecting her"...right up to chewing on her headbone? Guilt? Cats? Hahhaha. Meowtually exclusive terms. The moment of cat attack must have immediate owner retaliation that the cat finds totally horrifying (but not physically detrimental). If you're reaction is truely horrifying, you need only perform the act a few times. I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. Cats are plentiful, she should get another. > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. > Cats are plentiful, she should get another. Mary must be so proud of you. Sherry sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. > > Cats are plentiful, she should get another. > > Mary must be so proud of you. > > Sherry Well, all things considered, the cat is chewing the ladies face off. What would you suggest Sherry > sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, all things considered, the cat is chewing the ladies face off. > What would you suggest Sherry The OP has already admitted the cat has been medicating the cat, squirting the cat with a water pistol, and on top of that, the cat is fairly new to the household. She admits that she's possibly overstimulating the cat. This cat has not had a chance, and the OP is simply looking for suggestions. You're suggesting is that cats with behavioral issues are simply throw-away objects, get another one? Repulsive. Sherry > > sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > > > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry This is precisely what your good friend Lyn is saying when she says there is no reason to adopt a cat with behavioral issues. I didn't hear you say anything about how repulsive that is. > > The OP has already admitted the cat has been medicating the cat, > > squirting the cat with a water pistol, and on top of that, the cat is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there is no reason to adopt a cat with behavioral issues. I didn't hear > you say anything about how repulsive that is. Apples and oranges. The OP didn't ask "I'm thinking about adopting a cat who will chew my face off, what should I do?" Apparently the behavioral problem rose after the cat was adopted. The OP seems, to me, willing to give the cat a fair chance and is asking for suggestions. Your good buddy, at that moment, felt yet another compulsion to burst into print and suggested she throw the cat away like yesterday's newspaper. Is that what you'd do? Sherry > > > The OP has already admitted the cat has been medicating the cat, > > > squirting the cat with a water pistol, and on top of that, the cat [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > cat who will chew my face off, what should I do?" Apparently the > behavioral problem rose after the cat was adopted. Either way, a cat with behavioral issues loses a chance to have a forever home. It is not apples and oranges. It's an old Tried and True dino-f.cking-saur poster and a new poster. You are so full of sh.t that if you don't have brown eyes you will soon. Hypocrite. >>> The OP has already admitted the cat has been medicating the cat, >>> squirting the cat with a water pistol, and on top of that, the cat [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sherry With a BAZILLION cats out there at any moment, the only rational reason for suffering the slings and arrows of a newly acquired and angry feline's acting out is that the new owner expects a Heavenly reward for rescuing a Psycho Kitty from death. One must draw a line in the sand .... how long is long enough before Psycho Kitty shapes up or ships out? sridd...@aol.com wrote: > You're suggesting is that cats with behavioral issues are simply > throw-away objects, get another one? Repulsive. > > Sherry What do you suggest she do to stop the biting. Let's hear it, I'm all ears. > What do you suggest she do to stop the biting. > > Let's hear it, I'm all ears. Try being all eyes, and read the first dozen or so posts in this thread. That's where the suggestions are. Sherry sridd...@aol.com wrote: > > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. > > Cats are plentiful, she should get another. > > Mary must be so proud of you. > > Sherry Iiii want you to listen yourself stirring up trouble > sridd...@aol.com wrote: >>> I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I want you to listen yourself stirring up trouble. Sherry is "Mary Lite". > > I'd get my money back, Im tired of paying for stuff that won't work. > > Cats are plentiful, she should get another. > > Mary must be so proud of you. You're so funny. Philip may have something here with the cat thinking that the owner might not fight back. My aunt had a Siamese that would only attack her one daughter on the legs and no one else. The stupid fool refused to find a new home for the cat saying oh she's only playing. Well the playing turned into all out attacking drawing blood by biting and clawing. Finally after 3 years of the cat getting more and more aggressive she went after Dees face one evening. All the other times Dee never laid a hand on this cat and this night when it happened she grabbed her and threw her across the room to get her off her. That was the end of the attacks she never went after her again. I'm not suggesting that anyone toss their cat across the room but it makes sense. In this case there were 4 people in the house and she only went after the one child who was too afraid to do anything to stop her until she'd had enough that one evening. Celeste > >> Hi Cat Folx! > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > far, the cat is correct. (sarcasm) Personally, I'd find a moment when I > could sneak up on the sleeping cat and pee on it! LOL (sarcasm off) > Philip may have something here with the cat thinking that the owner might > not fight back. > happened she grabbed her and threw her across the room to get her off her. > That was the end of the attacks she never went after her again. I'm not Sounds horrifying to the cat, but you say the cat never did it again uh? <cough, cough> I think we actually "prove" our love when we chastise. Words are free cheap and easy, but to chastise? Those who will be honest here, I mean at least to yourself, you ever chastised your cat in your displeasure with them (you hate it all the while, for fear they might not understand)...but you do it anyways...you stick to your guns / you get the desired results / and something magical happens; I can't explain. You feel a deeper bond with that animal, and that animal is actually closer to you than before. This is true, there is a reason for this (I do not know). Real quick: If a shepherd has a sheep that won't quit going astray, he will sometimes break the leg of that sheep, I mean just break it. Then the shepherd is forced to carry that sheep till the lamb heals. By the time the lamb heals, he has spent so much time with the shepherd, he is bonded to never stray again. > Real quick: If a shepherd has a sheep that won't quit going astray, he > will sometimes break the leg of that sheep, I mean just break it. Then > the shepherd is forced to carry that sheep till the lamb heals. By the > time the lamb heals, he has spent so much time with the shepherd, he is > bonded to never stray again. I only tell this to bolster the idea that love sometimes comes off strange and opposite, course you already knew this...I was just picking up the soap real quick. >> Philip may have something here with the cat thinking that the owner >> might not fight back. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I think we actually "prove" our love when we chastise. Words are free > cheap and easy, but to chastise? snip There may be a few compassion driven people here who may miss the reason you chose the word "chastise." "Chastise: 1: to punish especially bodily, 2: to censure severely: castigate (Middle English) > Those who will be honest here, I mean at least to yourself, you ever > chastised your cat in your displeasure with them (you hate it all the > while, for fear they might not understand)...but you do it > anyways...you stick to your guns / you get the desired results / and > something magical happens; I can't explain. snip (sarcasm alert). There is some compassion twit out there about to liken your insight to the Stockholm Syndrome ... where the abused start to identify with their abuser. (sarcasm off). Beware. ;^) > (sarcasm alert). There is some compassion twit out there about to liken your > insight to the Stockholm Syndrome ... where the abused start to identify > with their abuser. (sarcasm off). Beware. ;^) by whatever means is neccessary >> Dr. Feline is suggesting an Old Testament solution. LOL Eye for >> an eye. An interesting hypothesis is that this feline feels secure [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Celeste Celeste: You are "Spot" on! ;^) On Sat 07 May 2005 06:47:27a, drfeline wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1115462847.814405.203410 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com): > Ideas, suggestions, comments PLEASE! > > Catherine Catherine, I'm glad you realized that overstimulation precipitates her aggression and are working to correct yourself. I have an extremely aggressive cat, Shamrock, and it seems mostly attributed to his being uncomfortable with skin problems. When he's due for a steroid shot to relieve his itchiness, he gets really mean (I cannot blame him for this!). A long time ago, it was suggested to me to carry a laser pointer to divert him away from me when I walked across the room. He used to attack my legs if I even tried to move. It used to happen even if his skin wasn't broken out that I could see. My point here is that sometimes something physical *could* be causing the aggression. Then again, it could be psychological. If a physical problem is already being addressed and aggression continues, the psychological should be addressed, too. After 3 years of these attacks that also include attacks toward one of my 3 other cats, Shamrock is now on Clomicalm (clomipramine). He was also very aggressive toward one of my cats who died last year. I chose drug therapy as a last resort. Not that I'd ever rehome him, but something was needed to make him happier. I've had many cats in the past, and he's the only one who's ever acted in this way. The drug therapy is making a huge difference. Again I stress, this is a last resort. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields |
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